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I can only echo everything Michele said. Kate, I think, started out with

stone age parents, i.e., without knowing it, we were caught in the total

communication vs. oral only dispute. This only hurt . Everyone said

that she would be able to use oral language; her St. Louis (now famous)

ENT said that she would have at least 80% normal hearing as an adult.

Only one person, a psychologist friend of Andy's brother who came by our

place in Florida one summer, said that the only thing that mattered was

getting communication into . We knew that, I think, but our local

professionals, and even those at Childrens' Hospital in St. Louis, were

clueless.

Even when Andy, I, and our then ten-year old daughter took sign

classes, we were just dumb. I'd practice fingerspelling, in the back

seat (K. must have been @ 5 by then), while waiting to get from

school. In the rear view mirror, I watched doing the same thing. I still

didn't get it. Later, with a beloved speech therapist, signed " f " and

pointed to the floor (she could still hear then), " r " and got a rock, etc.

Now, has lost all hearing despite careful medical care. If we hadn't

started sign, I cannot imagine where we'd be today. If we had had any

sense, we would have started in infancy. I've learned not to kick myself for

very much of what has happened, but this will nag me forever. If I started

all over again, I'd use sign, oral language, mime, pictures, written words,

body language - absolutely everything.

Another soapbox --- I apologize ---Martha

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Martha,

I tell you, with my boys the learning curve never ends. Just when I think I

have the special ed system figured out, or I think we are providing the

right interventions something new comes up. ly I have no idea on how

to handle the current situation with my oldest. If it weren't for people

who had been there done that, helping us along, our kids would suffer even

more while we figure it out. Overall what I have learned with Tyler has

helped me get the right services for Dylan, but Tyler is the one I have

major regrets about how we handled some things.

I for one am glad you share and I hope you don't beat yourself up too bad.

We started signing with Dylan as an infant and he is 8 and still doesn't

sign, so maybe it wouldn't have mattered.

On total communication I have some concerns, sometimes I think it is a cop

out - no commitment to anything. I agree that they should be exposed to

multiple forms of communication, and I really think many kids benefit from

sign, but with our kids teachers had better have a plan. Exposure to a whole

bunch of stuff that doesn't make sense is useless. With a deafblind child,

expecting them to pick up on any language, just through exposure is

ridiculous. There are some that pick up language easily, but for many it

takes a lot of focused attention to teaching it.

The goal is communication in whatever way makes sense to the child, which

requires exposure, a plan, and consistency. As much as the experts can

debate, the kids will let you know what makes sense to them. We had been

using objects, and tried pictures, but then suddenly we had tactile cues for

two things and that clicked for him (just abstract textures to represent

different places). New adults were confused by what meant what, but with

just two exposures to a new tactile cue, then Dylan would know it. It is a

hard system to expand, but it was needed for a couple of years, before he

moved up to pictures. All the time we are still focusing on visual and

tactual sign, but just putting him in a signing environment is not enough.

Kim

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I can only echo everything Michele said. Kate, I think, started out with

stone age parents, i.e., without knowing it, we were caught in the total

communication vs. oral only dispute. This only hurt . Everyone said

that she would be able to use oral language; her St. Louis (now famous)

ENT said that she would have at least 80% normal hearing as an adult.

Only one person, a psychologist friend of Andy's brother who came by our

place in Florida one summer, said that the only thing that mattered was

getting communication into . We knew that, I think, but our local

professionals, and even those at Childrens' Hospital in St. Louis, were

clueless.

Even when Andy, I, and our then ten-year old daughter took sign

classes, we were just dumb. I'd practice fingerspelling, in the back

seat (K. must have been @ 5 by then), while waiting to get from

school. In the rear view mirror, I watched doing the same thing. I

still

didn't get it. Later, with a beloved speech therapist, signed " f " and

pointed to the floor (she could still hear then), " r " and got a rock, etc.

Now, has lost all hearing despite careful medical care. If we

hadn't

started sign, I cannot imagine where we'd be today. If we had had any

sense, we would have started in infancy. I've learned not to kick myself

for

very much of what has happened, but this will nag me forever. If I started

all over again, I'd use sign, oral language, mime, pictures, written words,

body language - absolutely everything.

Another soapbox --- I apologize ---Martha

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CHARGE Syndrome Conference, Miami Beach, Florida, July 22-24, 2005.

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Michele,

Maybe I didn't make myself clear. It is the lingo of " total communication "

I caution about. TC can seem like a plan all by itself, but sometimes

within it there is nothing specific about how to teach the child. We will

put them in a classroom where there is speaking and signing and then believe

they will magically communicate. Knowing clearly that the goal is speech,

but we are starting with the language she understands, sign, is a plan.

Dylan's plan is ASL eventually, but pictures now. One serves as the

foundation for the other. My caution to parents searching out new programs

is to make sure there is a plan and that the child is showing signs of

understanding language with that approach. I would never discourage

teaching sign, especially if the child can learn it. I say go for it.

Kim

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Kim-

As with everything, there has to be a plan related to the individual child.

For us, the plan was that Aubrie would speak eventually, but needed some

form of communication for the time-being -- and in case she never did speak.

I was so confused early on because there seems to be kids that can hear but

don't speak so I wasn't totally confident that intelligable speech would

come.

For us, total communication was the plan because it gave a back-up (sign) as

well as the hopeful goal (speech). But I can see where that wouldn't be an

appropriate plan for other kids with different needs and goals.

Michele W

Aubrie's mom

Membership of this email support groups does not constitute membership in

the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation.

For information about the CHARGE Syndrome

Foundation or to become a member (and get the newsletter)

please contact marion@... or visit

the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation web page

at http://www.chargesyndrome.org

7th International

CHARGE Syndrome Conference, Miami Beach, Florida, July 22-24, 2005.

Information will be available at our website

www.chargesyndrome.org or by calling 1-. In Canada, you may

contact CHARGE Syndrome Canada at 1- (families), visit

www.chargesyndrome.ca, or email info@.... Thank you!

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