Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 I can only echo everything Michele said. Kate, I think, started out with stone age parents, i.e., without knowing it, we were caught in the total communication vs. oral only dispute. This only hurt . Everyone said that she would be able to use oral language; her St. Louis (now famous) ENT said that she would have at least 80% normal hearing as an adult. Only one person, a psychologist friend of Andy's brother who came by our place in Florida one summer, said that the only thing that mattered was getting communication into . We knew that, I think, but our local professionals, and even those at Childrens' Hospital in St. Louis, were clueless. Even when Andy, I, and our then ten-year old daughter took sign classes, we were just dumb. I'd practice fingerspelling, in the back seat (K. must have been @ 5 by then), while waiting to get from school. In the rear view mirror, I watched doing the same thing. I still didn't get it. Later, with a beloved speech therapist, signed " f " and pointed to the floor (she could still hear then), " r " and got a rock, etc. Now, has lost all hearing despite careful medical care. If we hadn't started sign, I cannot imagine where we'd be today. If we had had any sense, we would have started in infancy. I've learned not to kick myself for very much of what has happened, but this will nag me forever. If I started all over again, I'd use sign, oral language, mime, pictures, written words, body language - absolutely everything. Another soapbox --- I apologize ---Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Martha, I tell you, with my boys the learning curve never ends. Just when I think I have the special ed system figured out, or I think we are providing the right interventions something new comes up. ly I have no idea on how to handle the current situation with my oldest. If it weren't for people who had been there done that, helping us along, our kids would suffer even more while we figure it out. Overall what I have learned with Tyler has helped me get the right services for Dylan, but Tyler is the one I have major regrets about how we handled some things. I for one am glad you share and I hope you don't beat yourself up too bad. We started signing with Dylan as an infant and he is 8 and still doesn't sign, so maybe it wouldn't have mattered. On total communication I have some concerns, sometimes I think it is a cop out - no commitment to anything. I agree that they should be exposed to multiple forms of communication, and I really think many kids benefit from sign, but with our kids teachers had better have a plan. Exposure to a whole bunch of stuff that doesn't make sense is useless. With a deafblind child, expecting them to pick up on any language, just through exposure is ridiculous. There are some that pick up language easily, but for many it takes a lot of focused attention to teaching it. The goal is communication in whatever way makes sense to the child, which requires exposure, a plan, and consistency. As much as the experts can debate, the kids will let you know what makes sense to them. We had been using objects, and tried pictures, but then suddenly we had tactile cues for two things and that clicked for him (just abstract textures to represent different places). New adults were confused by what meant what, but with just two exposures to a new tactile cue, then Dylan would know it. It is a hard system to expand, but it was needed for a couple of years, before he moved up to pictures. All the time we are still focusing on visual and tactual sign, but just putting him in a signing environment is not enough. Kim Re: Re: Communication, communication, communication I can only echo everything Michele said. Kate, I think, started out with stone age parents, i.e., without knowing it, we were caught in the total communication vs. oral only dispute. This only hurt . Everyone said that she would be able to use oral language; her St. Louis (now famous) ENT said that she would have at least 80% normal hearing as an adult. Only one person, a psychologist friend of Andy's brother who came by our place in Florida one summer, said that the only thing that mattered was getting communication into . We knew that, I think, but our local professionals, and even those at Childrens' Hospital in St. Louis, were clueless. Even when Andy, I, and our then ten-year old daughter took sign classes, we were just dumb. I'd practice fingerspelling, in the back seat (K. must have been @ 5 by then), while waiting to get from school. In the rear view mirror, I watched doing the same thing. I still didn't get it. Later, with a beloved speech therapist, signed " f " and pointed to the floor (she could still hear then), " r " and got a rock, etc. Now, has lost all hearing despite careful medical care. If we hadn't started sign, I cannot imagine where we'd be today. If we had had any sense, we would have started in infancy. I've learned not to kick myself for very much of what has happened, but this will nag me forever. If I started all over again, I'd use sign, oral language, mime, pictures, written words, body language - absolutely everything. Another soapbox --- I apologize ---Martha Membership of this email support groups does not constitute membership in the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation. For information about the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation or to become a member (and get the newsletter) please contact marion@... or visit the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation web page at http://www.chargesyndrome.org 7th International CHARGE Syndrome Conference, Miami Beach, Florida, July 22-24, 2005. Information will be available at our website www.chargesyndrome.org or by calling 1-. In Canada, you may contact CHARGE Syndrome Canada at 1- (families), visit www.chargesyndrome.ca, or email info@.... Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Michele, Maybe I didn't make myself clear. It is the lingo of " total communication " I caution about. TC can seem like a plan all by itself, but sometimes within it there is nothing specific about how to teach the child. We will put them in a classroom where there is speaking and signing and then believe they will magically communicate. Knowing clearly that the goal is speech, but we are starting with the language she understands, sign, is a plan. Dylan's plan is ASL eventually, but pictures now. One serves as the foundation for the other. My caution to parents searching out new programs is to make sure there is a plan and that the child is showing signs of understanding language with that approach. I would never discourage teaching sign, especially if the child can learn it. I say go for it. Kim Re: Communication, communication, communication Kim- As with everything, there has to be a plan related to the individual child. For us, the plan was that Aubrie would speak eventually, but needed some form of communication for the time-being -- and in case she never did speak. I was so confused early on because there seems to be kids that can hear but don't speak so I wasn't totally confident that intelligable speech would come. For us, total communication was the plan because it gave a back-up (sign) as well as the hopeful goal (speech). But I can see where that wouldn't be an appropriate plan for other kids with different needs and goals. Michele W Aubrie's mom Membership of this email support groups does not constitute membership in the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation. For information about the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation or to become a member (and get the newsletter) please contact marion@... or visit the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation web page at http://www.chargesyndrome.org 7th International CHARGE Syndrome Conference, Miami Beach, Florida, July 22-24, 2005. Information will be available at our website www.chargesyndrome.org or by calling 1-. In Canada, you may contact CHARGE Syndrome Canada at 1- (families), visit www.chargesyndrome.ca, or email info@.... Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 I believe that Jim Thelin wrote an article and is a great source of information on this topic. I'm sure that someone has his e-mail. Jeanie mom to MacKenzie 6 CHARGE> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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