Re: Sign language

[Guest guest]

I don't think it is ever too late! and as for CHARGErs, I think it is

common for expressive language to be late, no matter if they speak or sign.

Dylan's receptive sign is growing so fast right now and he is starting to

generalize a few signs he has learned through routines, but it has been a

long time coming.

Kim

> I must have missed something-what book are you all talking about?

> On another note, has anyone started signing at a later age with their kids?

> Jay and I sign (not nearly enough but we are working on it) to the boys

> because they have very limited verbal skills and I was just wondering is

> there a

> point that you miss the boat on signing. I will never give up because I feel

> that the boys are starting to understand, but sometimes I am concerned that

> we will not have any communication tools, especially for .

> signs more than Jay and I and uses PECS and an Augmentative, but Matt has not

> really picked up on any one area thus far. We keep plugging away but just

> curious as too being to late on certain things.

> Thanks,

> Murray

> mom to twin Chargers and and wife to Jay

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

It is never too late. Jess was 13 almost 14 when we started signing

with her (it's that long school story). It is harder to learn but for

Jess she was so eager to get communication that she caught on quickly.

She is still delayed in expressive, but her receptive is very good.

She also uses gesture, a Dynamyte 3100 device. She is non-verbal.

Rio and I are poor signers but I do my best and she understands me.

She and her dad seem to have their few signs that are proper and the

rest I think they make up. But, they understand each other most of

the time as well.

I am all for total communication!

Sheryl

> I must have missed something-what book are you all talking about?

> On another note, has anyone started signing at a later age with

their kids?

> Jay and I sign (not nearly enough but we are working on it) to the

boys

> because they have very limited verbal skills and I was just

wondering is there a

> point that you miss the boat on signing. I will never give up

because I feel

> that the boys are starting to understand, but sometimes I am

concerned that

> we will not have any communication tools, especially for .

> signs more than Jay and I and uses PECS and an Augmentative, but

Matt has not

> really picked up on any one area thus far. We keep plugging away

but just

> curious as too being to late on certain things.

> Thanks,

> Murray

> mom to twin Chargers and and wife to Jay

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

id like to be able to sign even though i can speak course we are friendly

with a charge family ovder here who cant speak and hear so i would like to

be able to cvommunicate more with ehr we communicate texting on our

mobbliles!!!! lol and it would be useful for meeting you the only problem

would be id be signing auslan the australian language not american so id

need to talk to and youd all have to translate it into signs lol ellen

>

> ,

> It is never too late. Jess was 13 almost 14 when we started signing

> with her (it's that long school story). It is harder to learn but for

> Jess she was so eager to get communication that she caught on quickly.

> She is still delayed in expressive, but her receptive is very good.

> She also uses gesture, a Dynamyte 3100 device. She is non-verbal.

>

> Rio and I are poor signers but I do my best and she understands me.

> She and her dad seem to have their few signs that are proper and the

> rest I think they make up. But, they understand each other most of

> the time as well.

>

> I am all for total communication!

>

> Sheryl

>

>

> > I must have missed something-what book are you all talking about?

> > On another note, has anyone started signing at a later age with

> their kids?

> > Jay and I sign (not nearly enough but we are working on it) to the

> boys

> > because they have very limited verbal skills and I was just

> wondering is there a

> > point that you miss the boat on signing. I will never give up

> because I feel

> > that the boys are starting to understand, but sometimes I am

> concerned that

> > we will not have any communication tools, especially for .

>

> > signs more than Jay and I and uses PECS and an Augmentative, but

> Matt has not

> > really picked up on any one area thus far. We keep plugging away

> but just

> > curious as too being to late on certain things.

> > Thanks,

> > Murray

> > mom to twin Chargers and and wife to Jay

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I don't remember the author and our books are in no kind of order for me

to find it. As you said, you can do a search and find it pretty

easily. Scholastic always seems to have it in their book orders and

book fairs. Do you have access to those thru the day care or anything??

Michele W

Aubrie's mom

>

[Guest guest]

lol if i learn ASL and auslan i could translate for ya ellen ;-)

Cole

>

> id like to be able to sign even though i can speak course we are friendly

> with a charge family ovder here who cant speak and hear so i would like to

>

> be able to cvommunicate more with ehr we communicate texting on our

> mobbliles!!!! lol and it would be useful for meeting you the only problem

> would be id be signing auslan the australian language not american so id

> need to talk to and youd all have to translate it into signs lol ellen

>

>

> >

> > ,

> > It is never too late. Jess was 13 almost 14 when we started signing

> > with her (it's that long school story). It is harder to learn but for

> > Jess she was so eager to get communication that she caught on quickly.

> > She is still delayed in expressive, but her receptive is very good.

> > She also uses gesture, a Dynamyte 3100 device. She is non-verbal.

> >

> > Rio and I are poor signers but I do my best and she understands me.

> > She and her dad seem to have their few signs that are proper and the

> > rest I think they make up. But, they understand each other most of

> > the time as well.

> >

> > I am all for total communication!

> >

> > Sheryl

> >

> >

> > > I must have missed something-what book are you all talking about?

> > > On another note, has anyone started signing at a later age with

> > their kids?

> > > Jay and I sign (not nearly enough but we are working on it) to the

> > boys

> > > because they have very limited verbal skills and I was just

> > wondering is there a

> > > point that you miss the boat on signing. I will never give up

> > because I feel

> > > that the boys are starting to understand, but sometimes I am

> > concerned that

> > > we will not have any communication tools, especially for .

> >

> > > signs more than Jay and I and uses PECS and an Augmentative, but

> > Matt has not

> > > really picked up on any one area thus far. We keep plugging away

> > but just

> > > curious as too being to late on certain things.

> > > Thanks,

> > > Murray

> > > mom to twin Chargers and and wife to Jay

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

when i get frustrated or scared of learning sign... or when someone tells me

they can't learn something because it's " too late " i just think about

Schumann -- a very famous and great romantic composer who decided at the age

of 21 (i think) to become a piano virtuoso and a great piano composer -- his

public career was a total loss due to a device that crippled his hands, but

his wife (Clara Weick Schumann) played his music on many an international

stage and he is one of the very first composers who comes up when great

romantic composers are the topic of discussion!

and he didn't get serious about music till after 20 -- virtually every other

composer of that time and before began at a very early age...

it inspired me to learn to play (at 26) and it reminds me that it's never to

late to introduce a new concept -- to anyone.

Cole

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> :

>

>

>

> I don't think it is ever too late! I have known students (even in high

> school) who arrive at the Deaf School with no signing ability, and in just

> a

> few weeks they are right in there. Keep at it.

>

>

>

> When we started signing with , she was only 9 months old and it was

> somewhat sporadic on our part. She was 2 when we really got " serious "

> about

> it - and she was able to go out more. I would take her to the Deaf School

> for 2 days a week for 2-3 hours and she had lots of one-on-one interaction

> with preschool staff and 3-4 other children. We went with a home nurse

> because was still trached. They worked a lot with

> attention-getting

> aspects and basics of learning that a sign had meaning.

>

> It was hard to keep wanting to learn ASL at first, because it seemed like

> nothing was connecting. We didn't get any expressive language from her for

> a long time. I think what kept us going was that I kept going to the Deaf

> School and needed to sign with the staff/teachers. Finally it dawned on me

> that was attending to signs and making connections. It was

> probably

> not until she was around 4 that we got any real expressive language from

> her. Part of that may have been motor skill issues. We're not really sure,

> but she finally started signing and hasn't stopped! It seems like it took

> a

> looooonnnnggg time of " inputting " before we got any " output " . It has all

> been worth it!

>

>

>

> Keep plugging away, and it will come.

>

>

>

> Friends in CHARGE,

>

> Marilyn Ogan

>

> Mom of Ken (16 yrs., Asperger Syndrome)

>

> Mom of (13 yrs., CHARGE+, JRA)

>

> Wife of Rick (I'm still workin' on the railroad!)

>

> oganm@...

>

> Fishers, IN

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: CHARGE [mailto:CHARGE ] On Behalf Of

> Jayem14@...

> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:21 PM

> To: CHARGE

> Subject: Re: Re: Sign language

>

>

>

> I must have missed something-what book are you all talking about?

> On another note, has anyone started signing at a later age with their

> kids?

>

> Jay and I sign (not nearly enough but we are working on it) to the boys

> because they have very limited verbal skills and I was just wondering is

> there a

> point that you miss the boat on signing. I will never give up because I

> feel

> that the boys are starting to understand, but sometimes I am concerned

> that

>

> we will not have any communication tools, especially for .

> signs more than Jay and I and uses PECS and an Augmentative, but Matt has

> not

> really picked up on any one area thus far. We keep plugging away but just

> curious as too being to late on certain things.

> Thanks,

> Murray

> mom to twin Chargers and and wife to Jay

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

my step mom's dad is in his 60's and he just recently learned how to

use a digital camera for the first time and now he dosnt know how he

ever could have taken pictures without one! LOL!

Chantelle

[Guest guest]

I guess what ever and when ever you do something it does not matter as long

as you try and don't give up too easily. We will keep plugging at the sign

language, but also use a total communication approach. Thank you everyone for

once again responding to me. This list is so GREAT!!!

Murray

mom to twin Chargers and and wife to Jay

[Guest guest]

, that's so cute that Carmen puts your hand up to your mouth when she

wants to eat! Definitely a first step to signing!! only does a couple

signs back to us in request of something right now, but the latest one she's

learned is " all done. " And she's already learned to abuse it--she'll sit at the

kitchen table for a meal, take a couple bites, and start signing " all done, "

" all done " ! I just have to laugh at her--what a character!

Keep us posted on how the signing classes go for you and Carmen. I'm hoping to

take a class myself this fall. I'd like to work a little bit at a time on an

interpreter's certificate--I'm fascinated by sign language.

, mom to (3 1/2)

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[Guest guest]

tbnaks there allwasy would be someome who could translate my ausie signs and

words in to asl xxx ellen

>

> I guess what ever and when ever you do something it does not matter as

> long

> as you try and don't give up too easily. We will keep plugging at the sign

> language, but also use a total communication approach. Thank you everyone

> for

> once again responding to me. This list is so GREAT!!!

> Murray

> mom to twin Chargers and and wife to Jay

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ohhhh, Martha,

Thank you, thank you, thank you. There is hope for our yet. I was

beginning to despair with the whole receptive language thing.

Flo

>From: lewcap@...

>

>In my experience with , I think she, at least, was a sponge even

>though we didn't see it. As Andy tells every " professional, " we'll use

>signs

>endlessly, and we'll see her use them a year or so later and not again for

>another year. That's an over-statement now at her age, but you get the

>idea. I used to have the how-we-learn-language theory down pat, but I'm

>afraid I've lost it over the years. At any rate, kids with normal hearing,

>much less normal hearing and vision, have to hear words many, many

>times before they use the words expressively. Just multiply the the time

>necessary again and again for our kids. Martha

> One fairly good example. While at Perkins, had a job picking up

> " old flowers " (there was a flower delivery service). On one break, she

>walked into our kitchen, spotted the flowers I'd forgotten to discard

>before

>flying to Boston, and signed " old flowers. " Her teacher that year was just

>floored. She'd carried the concept from her job to our house. No one

>knew the language was getting to her in such a meaningful way.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, What a chuckle about signing " all done " ! I love it.

FYI, Carmen for the first time yesterday signed to her own lips

" eat " --and when her Dad came home I asked her to show him and she did

it again and again. How fun it was!! I'll keep you posted on the

baby and parent signing classes--they start on September 15th!

> , that's so cute that Carmen puts your hand up to your mouth

when she wants to eat! Definitely a first step to signing!!

only does a couple signs back to us in request of something right now,

but the latest one she's learned is " all done. " And she's already

learned to abuse it--she'll sit at the kitchen table for a meal, take

a couple bites, and start signing " all done, " " all done " ! I just have

to laugh at her--what a character!

>

> Keep us posted on how the signing classes go for you and Carmen.

I'm hoping to take a class myself this fall. I'd like to work a

little bit at a time on an interpreter's certificate--I'm fascinated

by sign language.

>

> , mom to (3 1/2)

>

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[Guest guest]

,

How neat that Carmen signed " eat " for you and then for her daddy!! I get SO

excited when I see things like that! I bet the sign classes will be really fun

for you, with Carmen getting to attend too.

, mom to (3 1/2)

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[Guest guest]

This may sound silly but you do realize that your daughter being able to sign

without the rest of your family learning is useless for you, right. (Not trying

to be funny)

Below are some links to online learning (free too) that may help you. I do know

from my son taking sign language in HS for the last 2 years, conversational

signing is much different than just putting words together. And there appears

to be different " dialects " . After one year when they switched teachers, the 2nd

teacher had different signs or different ways of the same sign for many words.

Good Luck.

http://www.handspeak.com/

http://www.aslpro.com/

http://www.signwithme.com/001_infant_signing.asp

>

> Hi Everyone: I'm looking to find someone to teach my daughter to sign. She's

already doing some minor signing, but I 'd like her to have some sort of working

vocabulary. Do any of you know someone or where I can get some info?

Thanks... B.

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