Re: Alergic to Breastmilk :( (the things people are led to believe)

[Guest guest]

Jenn,

I really hate hearing that. It was compassionate of you not to say anything as

it would probably just make her sad. It is always so sad to hear lack of

education has stopped people from nursing.

Wendi

Alergic to Breastmilk (the things people are led to

believe)

I was in the olive garden the other night, and the waitress mentioned she

has a 2 year old. She went on later ( I talk like crazy to anyone i meet)

to tell me that she had to feed her son formula when he was a baby because

her was alergic to her breatmilk. I didn't ask her why she thought that...

but obviously someone had told her so. I felt so bad for her , that

someone would lead her to believe something like that. I didn't challenge

what she said or anything like that... I would never have wanted her to

feel bad or anything. But when she said it, there was a sadness in her

tone that just ate me up. Just thought i would share.. Jenn:)

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>My Mom was told the same thing when she had tried to nurse my sister--who

had raging colic (occoridng to my Mom)--then she did formula--as the Dr

suggested. She has been very supportive of my BF but uses the fact that she

baught into everything the Dr told her as as means to get sympathy. I do

feel bad that she was too insecure (or whatever) to research the subject

better--or contact LLL but I also know that my 1st child's Dr told me I

needed to supliment-that I wasn't making enough milk--I researched it

MYSELF and then changed to a Dr that would be supportive of my BF. Every

choice I make is just that--a choice that " I " make. Sure it is sad when

people make bad choices that effect their childs' betterment but I

personally have a hard time feeling bad when that person was the one who

made that final choice to wean and also made the choice not to educate

thamselves better. When I was pregnant I was determined to bf. I had a

horrible time with cracked, blistered, bleeding nipples--I would not listen

to ANYONE who suggested that maybe I should give up and go the formula

route. I called LLL--I read everything I could get my hands on about bf--I

talked to and saw a lactation consultant. --AND I made it though all of the

pain. I nursed my first baby for 13 months. I am currently nursing my

second baby and have no plans of weaning. --This was my choice. Joy

I was in the olive garden the other night, and the waitress mentioned she

>has a 2 year old. She went on later ( I talk like crazy to anyone i meet)

>to tell me that she had to feed her son formula when he was a baby because

>her was alergic to her breatmilk. I didn't ask her why she thought that...

>but obviously someone had told her so. I felt so bad for her , that

>someone would lead her to believe something like that. I didn't challenge

>what she said or anything like that... I would never have wanted her to

>feel bad or anything. But when she said it, there was a sadness in her

>tone that just ate me up. Just thought i would share.. Jenn:)

Asheville, NC

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[Guest guest]

,

The main reason I hear is that it ties women down too much. That they won't be

able to go and do the things they want to. If you want to just go live your

life than why have kids? Kids tie you down whether you nurse or not. I would

think that all that bottle preparation would tie me down. That is a really sad

story about that baby. I can't even stand my babies to cry for short periods

let alone for 3 hours. AAHHHH! Poor Baby

Wendi

Re: Alergic to Breastmilk (the things people are led

to believe)

My mom started bfing us 3 kids. Stopped with my sister because " I woke up

one morning and I had just dried up. " With me, she sais I sucked so

strongly I sucked a blood vessel out through a milk duct and that ended

right then and there. With my brother, he was tongue-tied and by the time

the military discovered it, cut it loose, and let him heal, he forgot how

to nurse. My sil told me that I was supposed to be switching every other

feeding with formula (thanks to 20/20 episode) and Cory probably wasn't

getting enough bmilk. (Yes, I set her straight!) But, she was rather

obnoxious about it. And she didn't bfed any of her 4 kids. Yet she knows

sooo much! Not. On a sad note, she babysits a family that just had a baby.

Mom bfeeds and dropped the 6 week old off from 2-5 everyday. Didn't teach

her how to take a bottle nipple or formula. So this baby screams the whole

3 hours everyday and the mom??? Says ok, I am engorged and baby will eat

when I get home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I cried and begged my sil to not let the

mom continue to think that her behavior towards her baby was ok...it's cruel.

Anyhow, I am curious as to what some others have said as excuses to not bf

or to quit.

*************************************************

- Proud mommy of Gilbert Cory (01-10-99)

Imagination Station RFH Childcare

" Parenting a child has the greatest potential

for pain and love that a human could ever endure "

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My mom started bfing us 3 kids. Stopped with my sister because " I woke up

one morning and I had just dried up. " With me, she sais I sucked so

strongly I sucked a blood vessel out through a milk duct and that ended

right then and there. With my brother, he was tongue-tied and by the time

the military discovered it, cut it loose, and let him heal, he forgot how

to nurse. My sil told me that I was supposed to be switching every other

feeding with formula (thanks to 20/20 episode) and Cory probably wasn't

getting enough bmilk. (Yes, I set her straight!) But, she was rather

obnoxious about it. And she didn't bfed any of her 4 kids. Yet she knows

sooo much! Not. On a sad note, she babysits a family that just had a baby.

Mom bfeeds and dropped the 6 week old off from 2-5 everyday. Didn't teach

her how to take a bottle nipple or formula. So this baby screams the whole

3 hours everyday and the mom??? Says ok, I am engorged and baby will eat

when I get home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I cried and begged my sil to not let the

mom continue to think that her behavior towards her baby was ok...it's cruel.

Anyhow, I am curious as to what some others have said as excuses to not bf

or to quit.

*************************************************

- Proud mommy of Gilbert Cory (01-10-99)

Imagination Station RFH Childcare

" Parenting a child has the greatest potential

for pain and love that a human could ever endure "

*************************************************

[Guest guest]

Breastfeeding doesn't " tie " you down any more then just being a mom. I am I

am a very selfish person and I breastfed. I love taking my children along

places with me and showing them off. I have gone out a couple times since

Angel was born without her. When I nursed I had a social life and

breastfed, and later I worked 40 hours a week and breastfed! I can be done.

Re: Alergic to Breastmilk (the things people are

led to believe)

,

The main reason I hear is that it ties women down too much. That they won't

be able to go and do the things they want to. If you want to just go live

your life than why have kids? Kids tie you down whether you nurse or not.

I would think that all that bottle preparation would tie me down. That is a

really sad story about that baby. I can't even stand my babies to cry for

short periods let alone for 3 hours. AAHHHH! Poor Baby

Wendi

[Guest guest]

It's not only cruel....it's child neglect. Not only by the Mom, but by the

child care provider. And needs to be turned in. I don't understand people

like this???

Love,

> Re: Alergic to Breastmilk (the things people

> are led to believe)

>

>

>

>

> My mom started bfing us 3 kids. Stopped with my sister because " I woke up

> one morning and I had just dried up. " With me, she sais I sucked so

> strongly I sucked a blood vessel out through a milk duct and that ended

> right then and there. With my brother, he was tongue-tied and by the time

> the military discovered it, cut it loose, and let him heal, he forgot how

> to nurse. My sil told me that I was supposed to be switching every other

> feeding with formula (thanks to 20/20 episode) and Cory probably wasn't

> getting enough bmilk. (Yes, I set her straight!) But, she was rather

> obnoxious about it. And she didn't bfed any of her 4 kids. Yet she knows

> sooo much! Not. On a sad note, she babysits a family that just had a baby.

> Mom bfeeds and dropped the 6 week old off from 2-5 everyday. Didn't teach

> her how to take a bottle nipple or formula. So this baby screams the whole

> 3 hours everyday and the mom??? Says ok, I am engorged and baby will eat

> when I get home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I cried and begged my sil to not let the

> mom continue to think that her behavior towards her baby was

> ok...it's cruel.

>

> Anyhow, I am curious as to what some others have said as excuses to not bf

> or to quit.

>

[Guest guest]

,

I totally agree but that is a reason I hear often. I also am very selfish and

you said you didn't get out of bed at night because of laziness, that is me! I

think breastfeeding is so much easier.

Wendi

Re: Alergic to Breastmilk (the things people are

led to believe)

,

The main reason I hear is that it ties women down too much. That they won't

be able to go and do the things they want to. If you want to just go live

your life than why have kids? Kids tie you down whether you nurse or not.

I would think that all that bottle preparation would tie me down. That is a

really sad story about that baby. I can't even stand my babies to cry for

short periods let alone for 3 hours. AAHHHH! Poor Baby

Wendi

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At 07:02 PM 4/5/99 , you wrote:

>On a sad note, she babysits a family that just had a baby.

>Mom bfeeds and dropped the 6 week old off from 2-5 everyday. Didn't teach

>her how to take a bottle nipple or formula. So this baby screams the whole

>3 hours everyday and the mom??? Says ok, I am engorged and baby will eat

>when I get home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I cried and begged my sil to not let the

>mom continue to think that her behavior towards her baby was ok...it's

cruel.

>

Can they try cup feeding? If they use a medicine type cup, like the kind

that only holds a few teaspoons, that would be easy to work with. Any baby

who can swallow can drink from a bup, btw. Also, maybe they could try

using a medicine dropper. Most babies will suck on that. If not, maybe

this mom would buy a Supplemental Nurser and they could finger-feed this

poor baby.

As for the mom being engorged, she should learn how to work with that...

either consider expressing once between 2-5, or nursing immediately before

leaving the baby, and then expressing enough milk once she gets home to

relieve the engorgement and give the baby something elastic to latch onto!

Sometimes the nipple on an engorged breast is just different enough to

cause nipple confusion, and the reduced number of breastfeedings can lead

to a loss of milk production as well.

Keep us posted!

[Guest guest]

I don't know how you guys bf comfortably in bed!! I have been trying to do

it in the morning after Paige gets into bed with me, but it is by far the

most uneasy position for me. I get up in the middle of the night with her

and feed her in the rocking chair at the foot of our bed. I am thinking

that it is uncomfortable for me because she can't keep hold yet and my

breasts are so large that the weight of it being on its side makes the

nipple slip out of her mouth easier or something. But no matter what

position I am in I have to hold it in her mouth every time. What are your

experiences, when do they learn to do it themselves? Jenn:)

At 01:09 PM 4/5/99 -0700, you wrote:

>,

>

>I totally agree but that is a reason I hear often. I also am very selfish

and you said you didn't get out of bed at night because of laziness, that

is me! I think breastfeeding is so much easier.

>

>Wendi

>

> Re: Alergic to Breastmilk (the things people are

>led to believe)

>

>

>,

>

>The main reason I hear is that it ties women down too much. That they won't

>be able to go and do the things they want to. If you want to just go live

>your life than why have kids? Kids tie you down whether you nurse or not.

>I would think that all that bottle preparation would tie me down. That is a

>really sad story about that baby. I can't even stand my babies to cry for

>short periods let alone for 3 hours. AAHHHH! Poor Baby

>

>Wendi

>

>

>

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Jenn,

My daughter never learned to hold on for herself, she also didn't really ever

grab them for herself either. From the first few weeks Zaid has been holding on

by clamping down with his mouth. He also will grab with both hands and put it in

his mouth. I nurse lying down but it isn't that comfortable. I end up getting

back and neck pain. At night I nurse lying down but Zaid only nurses for brief

periods at night and only at one breast. He is usually back to sleep in less

than 10 min. Other than when I am sleeping I don't nurse lying down.

Wendi

Re: Alergic to Breastmilk (the things people are

>led to believe)

>

>

>,

>

>The main reason I hear is that it ties women down too much. That they won't

>be able to go and do the things they want to. If you want to just go live

>your life than why have kids? Kids tie you down whether you nurse or not.

>I would think that all that bottle preparation would tie me down. That is a

>really sad story about that baby. I can't even stand my babies to cry for

>short periods let alone for 3 hours. AAHHHH! Poor Baby

>

>Wendi

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

At least I'm not alone with the neck and back pain, LOL! Some mornings my

head throbs like a hangover, LOL!

Love,

> RE: Re: Alergic to Breastmilk

> (the things people are led to believe)

>

> Jenn,

>

> My daughter never learned to hold on for herself, she also didn't

> really ever grab them for herself either. From the first few

> weeks Zaid has been holding on by clamping down with his mouth.

> He also will grab with both hands and put it in his mouth. I

> nurse lying down but it isn't that comfortable. I end up getting

> back and neck pain. At night I nurse lying down but Zaid only

> nurses for brief periods at night and only at one breast. He is

> usually back to sleep in less than 10 min. Other than when I am

> sleeping I don't nurse lying down.

>

> Wendi

>

>

[Guest guest]

>that it is uncomfortable for me because she can't keep hold yet and my

>breasts are so large that the weight of it being on its side makes the

>nipple slip out of her mouth easier or something. But no matter what

>position I am in I have to hold it in her mouth every time. What are your

>experiences, when do they learn to do it themselves? Jenn:)

>

Jenn,

I used to keep a cloth diaper under my pillow for laying down to nurse. I

would tuck it under my breast to help raise the nipple to the level of the

baby's mouth, or use it to soak the spray/drips from the other side while

we nursed in bed. I also use pillows to support ME in comfortable

positions. I tuck one under and behind my hips and lower back, and

occasionally use one between my knees. At least that way I can fall back

to sleep on my side until I can roll over onto my tummy again.

When do they learn to do it themselves? I think all babies get there at

different times, obviously, but mine figured out how to get to my breasts

on their own about the same time they started being able to move around by

themselves. Not exactly crawling, but the belly wiggles. My daughter had

what felt like a dance we did in bed when I was sleeping. She would cuddle

up against me, wiggle under my arm, and root and shove at the same time

until I would subconsciously roll onto my side. I was never aware of her

doing it really, but figured that she had gotten there by herself when she

wasn't in her crib and was between me and DH come morning! (I also

subconsciously rolled the baby over my chest and onto the other side of the

bed/middle to nurse from the other breast!)

I think if I had tried to keep getting up and out of bed, I would never

feel as if I got any sleep... not to mention that during the deepest of

sleep, my arms felt as if they had no muscle tone, and it terrified me

trying to lift a hungry baby when my arms were limp.

The first thing I ask moms who tell me that they're " so tired " and " never

get sleep " is if they sleep when their babies sleep. Almost all moms (me

included) answer " no, " but if you *did* sleep when your baby slept, you

could get 12 hours of cumulative sleep in a day!

[Guest guest]

,

Me too! I am prone to migraines and it doesn't help them.

Wendi

RE: Re: Alergic to Breastmilk

> (the things people are led to believe)

>

> Jenn,

>

> My daughter never learned to hold on for herself, she also didn't

> really ever grab them for herself either. From the first few

> weeks Zaid has been holding on by clamping down with his mouth.

> He also will grab with both hands and put it in his mouth. I

> nurse lying down but it isn't that comfortable. I end up getting

> back and neck pain. At night I nurse lying down but Zaid only

> nurses for brief periods at night and only at one breast. He is

> usually back to sleep in less than 10 min. Other than when I am

> sleeping I don't nurse lying down.

>

> Wendi

>

>

[Guest guest]

I try to nurse lying down as much as possible or with a pillow under

Tea. For the first few months after she was born my arms would fall

asleep every time she fed. It was horrible. I was so scared that I

would drop her. As it turned out I had some bones out of place in my

back and they were pinching a nerve.

~shera

> At least I'm not alone with the neck and back pain,

> LOL! Some mornings my

> head throbs like a hangover, LOL!

>

> Love,

>

> > RE: Re: Alergic to

> Breastmilk

>

> > (the things people are led to believe)

> >

> > Jenn,

> >

> > My daughter never learned to hold on for herself,

> she also didn't

> > really ever grab them for herself either. From

> the first few

> > weeks Zaid has been holding on by clamping down

> with his mouth.

> > He also will grab with both hands and put it in

> his mouth. I

> > nurse lying down but it isn't that comfortable. I

> end up getting

> > back and neck pain. At night I nurse lying down

> but Zaid only

> > nurses for brief periods at night and only at one

> breast. He is

> > usually back to sleep in less than 10 min. Other

> than when I am

> > sleeping I don't nurse lying down.

> >

> > Wendi

> >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

I spent many nights/weeks/months on an air bed on the living room floor...I

was so tired I thought that may climb over us and fall on the hardwood

floor. I felt the air bed was safe, close to the floor. I would just climb

over him all night long switching sides...no wonder I'm tired, LOL!

love,

P.S. do you notice your migraines coinciding with your cycle? I used to get

mine at ovulation.

> RE: Re: Alergic to Breastmilk

> (the things people are led to believe)

>

> ,

>

> Me too! I am prone to migraines and it doesn't help them.

>

> Wendi

>

[Guest guest]

,

Yes, definitely they correspond to my cycle. Part way between ovulation and my

period is my bad time.

Wendi

RE: Re: Alergic to Breastmilk

> (the things people are led to believe)

>

> ,

>

> Me too! I am prone to migraines and it doesn't help them.

>

> Wendi

>

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to add me to the migrane group. I have gotten them sence I was

about 14. I do think it has something to do with my cycles. During pregnancy

they pretty much left during the first and third trimester, during the

secound trimester I had them every week. Now that I had the baby they are

back. I was taking Esgic plus tablets before and during pregnancy but can't

now because Skyler hates the caffine thats in them. So if tylanol doesn't

work them I am out of luck.

RE: Re: Alergic to Breastmilk

>

>> (the things people are led to believe)

>>

>> ,

>>

>> Me too! I am prone to migraines and it doesn't help them.

>>

>> Wendi

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes that's where mine used to happen too. I've tried to get my hormones

tested but the doctor just keeps trying to hand out anti-depressants...LOL!

Even though I'm not depressed & yes I keep telling her this. I don't go to

her anymore.

Must be an HMO problem, LOL!

Love,

> RE: Re: Alergic to Breastmilk

>

> > (the things people are led to believe)

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Me too! I am prone to migraines and it doesn't help them.

> >

> > Wendi

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

thanks for the info..... everyone is giving such good info on this topic:0

I am glad I asked:) jenn

>

>When do they learn to do it themselves? I think all babies get there at

>different times, obviously, but mine figured out how to get to my breasts

>on their own about the same time they started being able to move around by

>themselves. Not exactly crawling, but the belly wiggles. My daughter had

>what felt like a dance we did in bed when I was sleeping. She would cuddle

>up against me, wiggle under my arm, and root and shove at the same time

>until I would subconsciously roll onto my side. I was never aware of her

>doing it really, but figured that she had gotten there by herself when she

>wasn't in her crib and was between me and DH come morning! (I also

>subconsciously rolled the baby over my chest and onto the other side of the

>bed/middle to nurse from the other breast!)

[Guest guest]

,

I was just telling a friend today that I think so many women's hormones are out

of whack and that western medicine can't deal with it. I think I want to get

acupuncture.

Wendi

Re: Alergic to Breastmilk (the things people are led

to believe)

Yes that's where mine used to happen too. I've tried to get my hormones

tested but the doctor just keeps trying to hand out anti-depressants...LOL!

Even though I'm not depressed & yes I keep telling her this. I don't go to

her anymore.

Must be an HMO problem, LOL!

Love,

[Guest guest]

Go for it!

My Husband goes all the time & swears by it. The man that he goes to is

pushing 70, doesn't look a day over 40 & works 7 days a week! This man is

truly amazing....a fountain of energy. He has weaned Diabetics off of their

insulin (with MD's knowledge)

And he has also resolved fibroid tumors, ovarian cysts, etc.

It's a true Art...and deserves much respect.

Love,

> Re: Alergic to Breastmilk (the

> things people are led to believe)

>

> Yes that's where mine used to happen too. I've tried to get my hormones

> tested but the doctor just keeps trying to hand out

> anti-depressants...LOL!

> Even though I'm not depressed & yes I keep telling her this. I don't go to

> her anymore.

>

> Must be an HMO problem, LOL!

>

> Love,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wendi,

I'm not sure I could find out for you.

Re: Alergic to Breastmilk (the things people

are led to believe)

>

>

>

>Just wanted to add me to the migrane group. I have gotten them sence I was

>about 14. I do think it has something to do with my cycles. During

pregnancy

>they pretty much left during the first and third trimester, during the

>secound trimester I had them every week. Now that I had the baby they are

>back. I was taking Esgic plus tablets before and during pregnancy but can't

>now because Skyler hates the caffine thats in them. So if tylanol doesn't

>work them I am out of luck.

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

It doesn't matter, it was merely curiousity because I am alleric to ergotamine.

I had never heard of Esgic before. Don't worry about it.

Wendi

Re: Alergic to Breastmilk (the things people are led

to believe)

Wendi,

I'm not sure I could find out for you.