Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 I don't know a lot about pica, but I remember reading that it can be related to iron deficiency, sometimes supplementing iron has helped kids but I caution on this without getting some really good testing in iron levels done-- could probably tell you what kind of testing to ask for. I have read that potassium supplementation can help... magnesium supplementation can help... zinc supplementation can help... just from what I have tried to seek out, it does seem to be an imbalance of sorts, but as far as one thing working-- I found that there were lots of different things that helped different people. You could try doing a google search on pica. Type in www.google.com in your browser bar, enter, then type pica and nutrition in the search engine... or pica and minerals... or pica and deficiency... keep changing your words and you'll get different articles. W --- In , barb and tode <bvan227@c...> wrote: > I was curious about something... last summer my 4yo son ate dirt any kind (seemed to prefer sand) but could this be a mineral deficiency or him trying to get more metals in his body? > Barbara > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 In a message dated 1/17/2003 1:49:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, bvan227@... writes: > I checked his mineral hair test, and it states his level of zinc at 129 > ref range 105-175, it seems ok, but his sulfer count is high 55,610, > range 44,200-53,000 above ref range, his manganesium is 20 range 15-90, I > don't know, is their something their that i'm not seeing, should I ask for > any tests? pica is something I asked about last year as he was chowing > down the dirt but, the dr I had at that time looked at him and said that > it's just something that kids do, I tryed to tell him that most kids don't > eat so much they poop sandpaper but I'm just a mom, what do I know... > Thanks for all your help! > Barbara > Barbara, Just to chime in a little here... My son used to eat dirt, not a lot, but every once in awhile, I'd catch him chowing down. He didn't put any other odd things in his mouth, just dirt. On a few occasions I'd bring him in and clean him up and then it was time to eat lunch and he'd eat a lot. (I guess he was hungry, duh!) In any case, I would not say that his regular diet consisted of much dirt, but I would find sand like particles in his diaper on a pretty consistent basis from around a year and a half old to two and a half years old. Even after some time had passed since any dirt eating incidents. I just wanted to point out that the two, pooping sand and eating sand might not have a lot to do with each other. The sand particles was a topic of discussion on this site for awhile. It seemed to be pretty common, even if other children didn't eat any dirt. I don't think anyone really found out what it was from, but I don't think it's from dirt eating. BTW, my son did not eat any dirt last summer. To some kids, especially if it's dark and moist, it looks good to them. Good Luck, Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 --- In , barb and tode <bvan227@c...> wrote: > I was curious about something... last summer my 4yo son ate dirt any kind (seemed to prefer sand) but could this be a mineral deficiency or him trying to get more metals in his body? > Barbara " pica " is a term for eating objects/dirt/odd stuff like this. I've heard it associated with both mineral imbalance/deficiency and metal toxicity. I suppose that makes sense, since mercury toxicity (at least) generally leads to mineral imbalances. best wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 I checked his mineral hair test, and it states his level of zinc at 129 ref range 105-175, it seems ok, but his sulfer count is high 55,610, range 44,200-53,000 above ref range, his manganesium is 20 range 15-90, I don't know, is their something their that i'm not seeing, should I ask for any tests? pica is something I asked about last year as he was chowing down the dirt but, the dr I had at that time looked at him and said that it's just something that kids do, I tryed to tell him that most kids don't eat so much they poop sandpaper but I'm just a mom, what do I know... Thanks for all your help! Barbara [ ] Re: eating dirt > I was curious about something... last summer my 4yo son ate dirt any kind (seemed to prefer sand) but could this be a mineral deficiency or him trying to get more metals in his body? > Barbara " pica " is a term for eating objects/dirt/odd stuff like this. I've heard it associated with both mineral imbalance/deficiency and metal toxicity. I suppose that makes sense, since mercury toxicity (at least) generally leads to mineral imbalances. best wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 Magnesium is low. Magnesium helps 1 amino acid transfere to another[ an essential process]. My son also pooped sand paper and I got the dirty look [ what are you wiping my butt w/ that rough stuff for]. Hope this helps you out. --- barb and tode <bvan227@...> wrote: > I checked his mineral hair test, and it states his > level of zinc at 129 ref range 105-175, it seems > ok, but his sulfer count is high 55,610, range > 44,200-53,000 above ref range, his manganesium is > 20 range 15-90, I don't know, is their something > their that i'm not seeing, should I ask for any > tests? pica is something I asked about last year as > he was chowing down the dirt but, the dr I had at > that time looked at him and said that it's just > something that kids do, I tryed to tell him that > most kids don't eat so much they poop sandpaper but > I'm just a mom, what do I know... Thanks for all > your help! > Barbara > [ ] Re: eating dirt > > > > > I was curious about something... last summer my > 4yo son ate dirt any > kind (seemed to prefer sand) but could this be a > mineral deficiency or > him trying to get more metals in his body? > > Barbara > > > " pica " is a term for eating objects/dirt/odd stuff > like this. > I've heard it associated with both mineral > imbalance/deficiency > and metal toxicity. I suppose that makes sense, > since mercury > toxicity (at least) generally leads to mineral > imbalances. > > best wishes, > Moria > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 In a message dated 1/16/03 1:51:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, bvan227@... writes: << I was curious about something... last summer my 4yo son ate dirt any kind (seemed to prefer sand) but could this be a mineral deficiency or him trying to get more metals in his body? Barbara >> or it can be pica. ac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 I think some eat dirt due to mineral deficiencies and others because they get enough minerals but their bodies don't process them properly so they're inaccessible. Others have pica. SFrom: [mailto: Msdai54513@...]To: @...: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 01:34:34 ESTSubject: Re: [ ] eating dirtIn a message dated 1/16/03 1:51:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, bvan227@... writes: & lt; & lt; I was curious about something... last summer my 4yo son ate dirt any kind (seemed to prefer sand) but could this be a mineral deficiency or him trying to get more metals in his body?Barbara & gt; & gt;or it can be pica.ac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 For some on the spectrum it appears the appestat (sp?) malfunctions and their mains don't get the message that they're full or else get a message that they're still hungry even when they've just eaten. I suspect that toxic metals cause this. For those with this issue seems important to have soil testing done to make sure they're not ingesting lots of lead or other toxins from the dirt. Also avoid having the lawn treated with pesticides! S (I guess he was hungry, duh!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 it's definately not hunger, we ruled that out early on, it got to the point where we couldn't go out for very long, as soon as he hit the door he was running for any dirt, we ruled out a texture thing for si, I am suspecting minerals thanks to everyones input, I don't even fertilize or kill weeds, I'm even trying to fight the twp. about spraying for mosquitoes in the summer, god only knows what that is doing to us. we also live in a very old neighborhood, our house was built in 1940, had the state come and test for lead, we are good, hubby replumbed the whole house, no more lead pipes, pretty much tore the house apart got out all mold and anything we could do to make this a safe place, I do know we have lead in our soil, and his lead count is high, mabey it's a combo of minerals and us removing all sourses of lead and other toxins from the house. Barbara Re: [ ] Re: eating dirt For some on the spectrum it appears the appestat (sp?) malfunctions and their mains don't get the message that they're full or else get a message that they're still hungry even when they've just eaten. I suspect that toxic metals cause this. For those with this issue seems important to have soil testing done to make sure they're not ingesting lots of lead or other toxins from the dirt. Also avoid having the lawn treated with pesticides! S (I guess he was hungry, duh!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 My daughter was way over in sulphur on her hair tests and dumping sulphates like crazy in the urine. Sulphites were 1000% over the upper reference limit. [ ] Re: eating dirt > > > > > I was curious about something... last summer my 4yo son ate dirt any > kind (seemed to prefer sand) but could this be a mineral deficiency or > him trying to get more metals in his body? > > Barbara > > > " pica " is a term for eating objects/dirt/odd stuff like this. > I've heard it associated with both mineral imbalance/deficiency > and metal toxicity. I suppose that makes sense, since mercury > toxicity (at least) generally leads to mineral imbalances. > > best wishes, > Moria > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 <<I'm just curious if either of you two women's children have had even one vax in their little lives? My grandson has autism from vaccines and I believe it was the mercury as the catalyst that set him up for his neuroimmune system to be knocked out when he got the MMR. Pica is part of this package. So I was wondering if any of your kids have had even one shot. >> This was actually my friend's son that I posted about, and yes, he was fully vaxxed and had terrible issues with ear infections and colds when he was younger, also was speech-delayed. M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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