Guest guest Posted May 17, 2000 Report Share Posted May 17, 2000 >when I took > to nursery on Monday (v.hot and sunny) they asked if I'd put >sunblock on him I said no but there was some in his bag. They said that I >would have to put it on him, as they " weren't allowed " to do so, and were >quite apologetic about that. How utterly ridiculous! -- Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2000 Report Share Posted May 17, 2000 Over the years, I'm sure I've heard it said a number of times that suncream will only keep until the next year if you keep it refrigerated in the intervening months. Wonder if this advice came from the manufacturers to encourage us to buy new each year?.... Lesley Moor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2000 Report Share Posted May 17, 2000 Unless there's an expiration date on the package, EU cosmetics regulations say that the shelf-life has to be at least 3 years. If you can contact Garnier (L'Oreal, N***le) they should be able to reassure you if you can give them the batch code. Very poor of them not to have an 800-number on the bottle. If the formula contains titanium dioxide or zinc oxide, you might want to give the bottle a gentle shake to redistribute. Joyce http://home.cinci.rr.com/philjohnson/i130.htm Join > DS got sunburnt arms at nursery yesterday and I queried whether they > had put suncream on him. They say they did, but his cream (Ambre > Solaire for kids) has a distinctive smell which I couldn't smell, so > I'm a bit sceptical. > > I though suncream was OK to use for about 2 years before it starts > losing its effectiveness (think I read that in a Which? report > somewhere), but DS's nursery say 6 months - ie last year's stuff is no > good this year, implying it was therefore my fault he burnt. > > I thought of phoning the manufacturer, Laboratoire Garnier, but > there's no number on the bottle and directory enquiries where no help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2000 Report Share Posted May 17, 2000 Unless there's an expiration date on the package, EU cosmetics regulations say that the shelf-life has to be at least 3 years. If you can contact Garnier (L'Oreal, N***le) they should be able to reassure you if you can give them the batch code. Very poor of them not to have an 800-number on the bottle. If the formula contains titanium dioxide or zinc oxide, you might want to give the bottle a gentle shake to redistribute. Joyce http://home.cinci.rr.com/philjohnson/i130.htm Join > DS got sunburnt arms at nursery yesterday and I queried whether they > had put suncream on him. They say they did, but his cream (Ambre > Solaire for kids) has a distinctive smell which I couldn't smell, so > I'm a bit sceptical. > > I though suncream was OK to use for about 2 years before it starts > losing its effectiveness (think I read that in a Which? report > somewhere), but DS's nursery say 6 months - ie last year's stuff is no > good this year, implying it was therefore my fault he burnt. > > I thought of phoning the manufacturer, Laboratoire Garnier, but > there's no number on the bottle and directory enquiries where no help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2000 Report Share Posted May 17, 2000 Unless there's an expiration date on the package, EU cosmetics regulations say that the shelf-life has to be at least 3 years. If you can contact Garnier (L'Oreal, N***le) they should be able to reassure you if you can give them the batch code. Very poor of them not to have an 800-number on the bottle. If the formula contains titanium dioxide or zinc oxide, you might want to give the bottle a gentle shake to redistribute. Joyce http://home.cinci.rr.com/philjohnson/i130.htm Join > DS got sunburnt arms at nursery yesterday and I queried whether they > had put suncream on him. They say they did, but his cream (Ambre > Solaire for kids) has a distinctive smell which I couldn't smell, so > I'm a bit sceptical. > > I though suncream was OK to use for about 2 years before it starts > losing its effectiveness (think I read that in a Which? report > somewhere), but DS's nursery say 6 months - ie last year's stuff is no > good this year, implying it was therefore my fault he burnt. > > I thought of phoning the manufacturer, Laboratoire Garnier, but > there's no number on the bottle and directory enquiries where no help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2000 Report Share Posted May 17, 2000 My kids got burnt over the weekend using lashings of last years factor 35 - now I know why Hannah (who will buy a new tube tomorrow) Mum to Bethany 6, Lawrence 4 1/2, and Verity 23 months > Funnily enough my friend and I had a conversation about this on Monday. > There is new evidence to show that suncreams go off 6 months after opening. > My friends nursery had issued a big notice asking parents to bring in a > brand new bottle of suncream, not last years dregs. So, to be on the safe > side, I would buy new. > > > Does anyone know how long suncream stays effective for (ie is last > > year's bottle OK for this year)? > > -- > > Mum to (aged 4, born a whopping 11lbs 6oz) and 2 angels 20/10/98 and > 24/3/00 > Farnborough, Hants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2000 Report Share Posted May 17, 2000 My kids got burnt over the weekend using lashings of last years factor 35 - now I know why Hannah (who will buy a new tube tomorrow) Mum to Bethany 6, Lawrence 4 1/2, and Verity 23 months > Funnily enough my friend and I had a conversation about this on Monday. > There is new evidence to show that suncreams go off 6 months after opening. > My friends nursery had issued a big notice asking parents to bring in a > brand new bottle of suncream, not last years dregs. So, to be on the safe > side, I would buy new. > > > Does anyone know how long suncream stays effective for (ie is last > > year's bottle OK for this year)? > > -- > > Mum to (aged 4, born a whopping 11lbs 6oz) and 2 angels 20/10/98 and > 24/3/00 > Farnborough, Hants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2000 Report Share Posted May 17, 2000 My kids got burnt over the weekend using lashings of last years factor 35 - now I know why Hannah (who will buy a new tube tomorrow) Mum to Bethany 6, Lawrence 4 1/2, and Verity 23 months > Funnily enough my friend and I had a conversation about this on Monday. > There is new evidence to show that suncreams go off 6 months after opening. > My friends nursery had issued a big notice asking parents to bring in a > brand new bottle of suncream, not last years dregs. So, to be on the safe > side, I would buy new. > > > Does anyone know how long suncream stays effective for (ie is last > > year's bottle OK for this year)? > > -- > > Mum to (aged 4, born a whopping 11lbs 6oz) and 2 angels 20/10/98 and > 24/3/00 > Farnborough, Hants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2000 Report Share Posted May 18, 2000 I just asked my dh, who used to make a sun protection cream. He said that sunscreens are very stable and you can easily use it over 3 years - probably even longer. No company would say this because they want you to chuck it away and buy a fresh bottle each year. If you got sunburnt, then the chances are you didn't apply it according to the label instructions. The key is to apply a lot and evenly. Joyce Visit our photo album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=170356 & a=1767840 > Unless there's an expiration date on the package, EU cosmetics regulations > say that the shelf-life has to be at least 3 years. > > If you can contact Garnier (L'Oreal, N***le) they should be able to reassure > you if you can give them the batch code. Very poor of them not to have an > 800-number on the bottle. > > If the formula contains titanium dioxide or zinc oxide, you might want to > give the bottle a gentle shake to redistribute. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2000 Report Share Posted May 18, 2000 I just asked my dh, who used to make a sun protection cream. He said that sunscreens are very stable and you can easily use it over 3 years - probably even longer. No company would say this because they want you to chuck it away and buy a fresh bottle each year. If you got sunburnt, then the chances are you didn't apply it according to the label instructions. The key is to apply a lot and evenly. Joyce Visit our photo album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=170356 & a=1767840 > Unless there's an expiration date on the package, EU cosmetics regulations > say that the shelf-life has to be at least 3 years. > > If you can contact Garnier (L'Oreal, N***le) they should be able to reassure > you if you can give them the batch code. Very poor of them not to have an > 800-number on the bottle. > > If the formula contains titanium dioxide or zinc oxide, you might want to > give the bottle a gentle shake to redistribute. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2000 Report Share Posted May 18, 2000 I just asked my dh, who used to make a sun protection cream. He said that sunscreens are very stable and you can easily use it over 3 years - probably even longer. No company would say this because they want you to chuck it away and buy a fresh bottle each year. If you got sunburnt, then the chances are you didn't apply it according to the label instructions. The key is to apply a lot and evenly. Joyce Visit our photo album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=170356 & a=1767840 > Unless there's an expiration date on the package, EU cosmetics regulations > say that the shelf-life has to be at least 3 years. > > If you can contact Garnier (L'Oreal, N***le) they should be able to reassure > you if you can give them the batch code. Very poor of them not to have an > 800-number on the bottle. > > If the formula contains titanium dioxide or zinc oxide, you might want to > give the bottle a gentle shake to redistribute. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2000 Report Share Posted May 18, 2000 The nursery staff here won't apply sun cream, to avoid any claims of abuse. > They're not supposed to hug the children, either. That's *so* sad! It's awful to think that child carers can't act naturally (e.g. consoling child who has fallen) for fear of accusations of abuse. Me thinks things have gone too far. Helen ---------- It's the PC nanny state gone bananas, isn't it? Being the mum of a 25 yr old as well as a 4 yr old, I know there have been lots of changes for the good in that time but lots of crackpot ideas, too. Lesley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2000 Report Share Posted May 18, 2000 The nursery staff here won't apply sun cream, to avoid any claims of abuse. > They're not supposed to hug the children, either. That's *so* sad! It's awful to think that child carers can't act naturally (e.g. consoling child who has fallen) for fear of accusations of abuse. Me thinks things have gone too far. Helen ---------- It's the PC nanny state gone bananas, isn't it? Being the mum of a 25 yr old as well as a 4 yr old, I know there have been lots of changes for the good in that time but lots of crackpot ideas, too. Lesley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2000 Report Share Posted May 18, 2000 >The nursery staff here won't apply sun cream, to avoid any claims of abuse. >They're not supposed to hug the children, either. > >Lesley > ------------- : Oh for pete's sake. What is the world coming to? At the nursery we use, they are happy to apply sun cream and the children get lots of hugs and kisses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2000 Report Share Posted May 18, 2000 >The nursery staff here won't apply sun cream, to avoid any claims of abuse. >They're not supposed to hug the children, either. > >Lesley > ------------- : Oh for pete's sake. What is the world coming to? At the nursery we use, they are happy to apply sun cream and the children get lots of hugs and kisses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2000 Report Share Posted May 18, 2000 >The nursery staff here won't apply sun cream, to avoid any claims of abuse. >They're not supposed to hug the children, either. > >Lesley > ------------- : Oh for pete's sake. What is the world coming to? At the nursery we use, they are happy to apply sun cream and the children get lots of hugs and kisses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2000 Report Share Posted May 18, 2000 At 's nursery we are asked to put suncream on them before they go and sign a form which gives permission for the staff to re-apply later in the day. Surely anything else is madness and unsafe. Cerys ----- Original Message ----- wrote > > Don't know the answer to your question, but interesting, because when I took > to nursery on Monday (v.hot and sunny) they asked if I'd put > sunblock on him I said no but there was some in his bag. They said that I > would have to put it on him, as they " weren't allowed " to do so, and were > quite apologetic about that. Snip > > Has anyone else come across this? And who in their infinate wisdoom has > decided that nursery staff cannot apply suncream to their charges? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2000 Report Share Posted May 18, 2000 Don't know if this is useful to anyone BUT if you haven't tried P20 suncream for you or your children then think about it!!! I have used the stuff for at least 10 years (in some very hot climates at times) and it protects me and my family wonderfully well with the added bonus of only needing a once a day application! Great for kids....even newborns .... also means children are protected at school or nursery without worry! Just make sure you apply it all over when they get up - let it dry in before dressing then away you go!! no reapplication needed even after swimming! Go to www.p20.co.uk and get some more info or even a sample! It does appear expensive but since you apply it only once a day it lasts well. My kids have eczema and it is fine on my sensitive skin too so no worries there - it really is the perfect product for sun IMHO - I am obsessive about sun protection and insist on SunTogs (there are other makes too!) hats with UV protection as well. I am happy to supply other info if anyone wants it - I wish I was on commission as I have recommended it to everyone I know and many now swear by it too!!! Shirley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2000 Report Share Posted May 18, 2000 Don't know if this is useful to anyone BUT if you haven't tried P20 suncream for you or your children then think about it!!! I have used the stuff for at least 10 years (in some very hot climates at times) and it protects me and my family wonderfully well with the added bonus of only needing a once a day application! Great for kids....even newborns .... also means children are protected at school or nursery without worry! Just make sure you apply it all over when they get up - let it dry in before dressing then away you go!! no reapplication needed even after swimming! Go to www.p20.co.uk and get some more info or even a sample! It does appear expensive but since you apply it only once a day it lasts well. My kids have eczema and it is fine on my sensitive skin too so no worries there - it really is the perfect product for sun IMHO - I am obsessive about sun protection and insist on SunTogs (there are other makes too!) hats with UV protection as well. I am happy to supply other info if anyone wants it - I wish I was on commission as I have recommended it to everyone I know and many now swear by it too!!! Shirley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2000 Report Share Posted May 18, 2000 Don't know if this is useful to anyone BUT if you haven't tried P20 suncream for you or your children then think about it!!! I have used the stuff for at least 10 years (in some very hot climates at times) and it protects me and my family wonderfully well with the added bonus of only needing a once a day application! Great for kids....even newborns .... also means children are protected at school or nursery without worry! Just make sure you apply it all over when they get up - let it dry in before dressing then away you go!! no reapplication needed even after swimming! Go to www.p20.co.uk and get some more info or even a sample! It does appear expensive but since you apply it only once a day it lasts well. My kids have eczema and it is fine on my sensitive skin too so no worries there - it really is the perfect product for sun IMHO - I am obsessive about sun protection and insist on SunTogs (there are other makes too!) hats with UV protection as well. I am happy to supply other info if anyone wants it - I wish I was on commission as I have recommended it to everyone I know and many now swear by it too!!! Shirley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2000 Report Share Posted May 18, 2000 wrote: >No sorry I think >it should be down to the parents to apply cream before they set off for >Nursery. -- Will have to agree to disagree here - it is impossible to fully protect any child from the sun without the vigilance and co-operation of all carers. Of course parents must apply suncream but one application of a standard suncream is not enough to last all day and young children particularly cannot be relied upon to cover themselves properly. A friends child was burnt on returning from school despite being smothered in cream in the morning and given a legionaire style hat to wear (which BTW I believe all school summer hats should be like!) - this can't be acceptable since their are proven links between this type of damage and types of skin cancer. Isn't health education considered important?? This friend now uses P20 and has the same relief at finding such a great product as I still experience every time I use it on myself or my children. I find it quite bizarre that attitudes towards sun protection can be so lax in so many schools and nurseries and so much more bizarre that many vigilant ones are prevented from protecting the children in the way some have described. The nursery I use applies suncream to all the children in its care as and when necessary and we have never needed to sign a consent form. Do you have to sign consent for a nappy to be changed in these places too?? Schools seem less inclined to help but can a parent of a reception child be sure they can apply the cream on their own?? Most of them can't deliver a note home from school that well!! Attitudes like this will remain whilst the parents allow them too - my opinion... use P20 and teach your kids to keep their hats and shades on or lobby the schools and nursery to help. JMHO Shirley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2000 Report Share Posted May 18, 2000 wrote: >No sorry I think >it should be down to the parents to apply cream before they set off for >Nursery. -- Will have to agree to disagree here - it is impossible to fully protect any child from the sun without the vigilance and co-operation of all carers. Of course parents must apply suncream but one application of a standard suncream is not enough to last all day and young children particularly cannot be relied upon to cover themselves properly. A friends child was burnt on returning from school despite being smothered in cream in the morning and given a legionaire style hat to wear (which BTW I believe all school summer hats should be like!) - this can't be acceptable since their are proven links between this type of damage and types of skin cancer. Isn't health education considered important?? This friend now uses P20 and has the same relief at finding such a great product as I still experience every time I use it on myself or my children. I find it quite bizarre that attitudes towards sun protection can be so lax in so many schools and nurseries and so much more bizarre that many vigilant ones are prevented from protecting the children in the way some have described. The nursery I use applies suncream to all the children in its care as and when necessary and we have never needed to sign a consent form. Do you have to sign consent for a nappy to be changed in these places too?? Schools seem less inclined to help but can a parent of a reception child be sure they can apply the cream on their own?? Most of them can't deliver a note home from school that well!! Attitudes like this will remain whilst the parents allow them too - my opinion... use P20 and teach your kids to keep their hats and shades on or lobby the schools and nursery to help. JMHO Shirley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2000 Report Share Posted May 18, 2000 >Yep this is the same are our Nursery, can you imagine the time it would take >before each playtime to line up 24 kids apply cream PROPERLY 24 times True, but there are only 6 children in 's nursery class! ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2000 Report Share Posted May 18, 2000 >Yep this is the same are our Nursery, can you imagine the time it would take >before each playtime to line up 24 kids apply cream PROPERLY 24 times True, but there are only 6 children in 's nursery class! ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2000 Report Share Posted May 18, 2000 >Yep this is the same are our Nursery, can you imagine the time it would take >before each playtime to line up 24 kids apply cream PROPERLY 24 times True, but there are only 6 children in 's nursery class! ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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