Re: Scheduling Medicare Patients

[Guest guest]

In the December 2003 edition of CPT Assistant, on page 6, the AMA gives an

example of providing manual therapy for 25 minutes. In this example, the AMA

states it is their intent that the provider would bill 2 units of manual therapy

as a substantial portion of the 30 minutes was utilized performing this

procedure. They also say that though that is their intent, insurance payers may

request that these services be reported differently

 

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> From: bchacko71 <bchacko71@. ..<mailto: bchacko71% 40sbcglobal. net>>

> Subject: RE: Scheduling Medicare Patients

> To: PTManager@yahoogrou ps.com<mailto: PTManager% 40yahoogroups. com><mailto:

PTManager% 40yahoogroups. com>

> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 9:55 PM

>

> Dear Group,

> How often do most of you schedule medicare patients for one

therapists

> schedule so that he can be compliant with medicare rules of

providing

> one on one care and also be productive in todays tough economic

times?

> How many patients can a therapist see in an 8 hour period and be

> productive?

> Do you find it difficult to have therapists complete their

> documentation on the same day? What is the productivity standard

that

> is expected by most clinics? What kind of revenue should a therapist

> generate in terms of his salary? Eg: Should a therapist generate

three

> or four times his salary?

> Thank you all who will share their thoughts.

> B. Chacko

> Tricare Rehab Services

>

>

[Guest guest]

In the December 2003 edition of CPT Assistant, on page 6, the AMA gives an

example of providing manual therapy for 25 minutes. In this example, the AMA

states it is their intent that the provider would bill 2 units of manual therapy

as a substantial portion of the 30 minutes was utilized performing this

procedure. They also say that though that is their intent, insurance payers may

request that these services be reported differently

 

To purchase this issue of CPT ASsistant as well as any other back issue or the

current issue, please click on the lnk below.

 

https://catalog.ama-assn.org/Catalog/cpt/issue_search.jsp?checkXwho=done

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> From: bchacko71 <bchacko71@. ..<mailto: bchacko71% 40sbcglobal. net>>

> Subject: RE: Scheduling Medicare Patients

> To: PTManager@yahoogrou ps.com<mailto: PTManager% 40yahoogroups. com><mailto:

PTManager% 40yahoogroups. com>

> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 9:55 PM

>

> Dear Group,

> How often do most of you schedule medicare patients for one

therapists

> schedule so that he can be compliant with medicare rules of

providing

> one on one care and also be productive in todays tough economic

times?

> How many patients can a therapist see in an 8 hour period and be

> productive?

> Do you find it difficult to have therapists complete their

> documentation on the same day? What is the productivity standard

that

> is expected by most clinics? What kind of revenue should a therapist

> generate in terms of his salary? Eg: Should a therapist generate

three

> or four times his salary?

> Thank you all who will share their thoughts.

> B. Chacko

> Tricare Rehab Services

>

>

[Guest guest]

In the December 2003 edition of CPT Assistant, on page 6, the AMA gives an

example of providing manual therapy for 25 minutes. In this example, the AMA

states it is their intent that the provider would bill 2 units of manual therapy

as a substantial portion of the 30 minutes was utilized performing this

procedure. They also say that though that is their intent, insurance payers may

request that these services be reported differently

 

To purchase this issue of CPT ASsistant as well as any other back issue or the

current issue, please click on the lnk below.

 

https://catalog.ama-assn.org/Catalog/cpt/issue_search.jsp?checkXwho=done

>

> From: bchacko71 <bchacko71@. ..<mailto: bchacko71% 40sbcglobal. net>>

> Subject: RE: Scheduling Medicare Patients

> To: PTManager@yahoogrou ps.com<mailto: PTManager% 40yahoogroups. com><mailto:

PTManager% 40yahoogroups. com>

> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 9:55 PM

>

> Dear Group,

> How often do most of you schedule medicare patients for one

therapists

> schedule so that he can be compliant with medicare rules of

providing

> one on one care and also be productive in todays tough economic

times?

> How many patients can a therapist see in an 8 hour period and be

> productive?

> Do you find it difficult to have therapists complete their

> documentation on the same day? What is the productivity standard

that

> is expected by most clinics? What kind of revenue should a therapist

> generate in terms of his salary? Eg: Should a therapist generate

three

> or four times his salary?

> Thank you all who will share their thoughts.

> B. Chacko

> Tricare Rehab Services

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hence, the birth of the 8-23 rule methodology. One 15 minute unit divided by 2

and rounded up to 8 loosely meets the " substantial " definition of at least more

than half. Isn't this one of the original reasons that the timed rule came to

be?

Don Walsh, PT, MS, OCS

Director of Outpatient Rehab

Northeast Georgia Medical Center

Gainesville, GA

> >

> > From: bchacko71 <bchacko71@ ..<mailto: bchacko71% 40sbcglobal. net>>

> > Subject: RE: Scheduling Medicare Patients

> > To: PTManager@yahoogrou ps.com<mailto: PTManager% 40yahoogroups.

com><mailto: PTManager% 40yahoogroups. com>

> > Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 9:55 PM

> >

> > Dear Group,

> > How often do most of you schedule medicare patients for one

> therapists

> > schedule so that he can be compliant with medicare rules of

> providing

> > one on one care and also be productive in todays tough economic

> times?

> > How many patients can a therapist see in an 8 hour period and be

> > productive?

> > Do you find it difficult to have therapists complete their

> > documentation on the same day? What is the productivity standard

> that

> > is expected by most clinics? What kind of revenue should a therapist

> > generate in terms of his salary? Eg: Should a therapist generate

> three

> > or four times his salary?

> > Thank you all who will share their thoughts.

> > B. Chacko

> > Tricare Rehab Services

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hence, the birth of the 8-23 rule methodology. One 15 minute unit divided by 2

and rounded up to 8 loosely meets the " substantial " definition of at least more

than half. Isn't this one of the original reasons that the timed rule came to

be?

Don Walsh, PT, MS, OCS

Director of Outpatient Rehab

Northeast Georgia Medical Center

Gainesville, GA

> >

> > From: bchacko71 <bchacko71@ ..<mailto: bchacko71% 40sbcglobal. net>>

> > Subject: RE: Scheduling Medicare Patients

> > To: PTManager@yahoogrou ps.com<mailto: PTManager% 40yahoogroups.

com><mailto: PTManager% 40yahoogroups. com>

> > Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 9:55 PM

> >

> > Dear Group,

> > How often do most of you schedule medicare patients for one

> therapists

> > schedule so that he can be compliant with medicare rules of

> providing

> > one on one care and also be productive in todays tough economic

> times?

> > How many patients can a therapist see in an 8 hour period and be

> > productive?

> > Do you find it difficult to have therapists complete their

> > documentation on the same day? What is the productivity standard

> that

> > is expected by most clinics? What kind of revenue should a therapist

> > generate in terms of his salary? Eg: Should a therapist generate

> three

> > or four times his salary?

> > Thank you all who will share their thoughts.

> > B. Chacko

> > Tricare Rehab Services

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hence, the birth of the 8-23 rule methodology. One 15 minute unit divided by 2

and rounded up to 8 loosely meets the " substantial " definition of at least more

than half. Isn't this one of the original reasons that the timed rule came to

be?

Don Walsh, PT, MS, OCS

Director of Outpatient Rehab

Northeast Georgia Medical Center

Gainesville, GA

> >

> > From: bchacko71 <bchacko71@ ..<mailto: bchacko71% 40sbcglobal. net>>

> > Subject: RE: Scheduling Medicare Patients

> > To: PTManager@yahoogrou ps.com<mailto: PTManager% 40yahoogroups.

com><mailto: PTManager% 40yahoogroups. com>

> > Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 9:55 PM

> >

> > Dear Group,

> > How often do most of you schedule medicare patients for one

> therapists

> > schedule so that he can be compliant with medicare rules of

> providing

> > one on one care and also be productive in todays tough economic

> times?

> > How many patients can a therapist see in an 8 hour period and be

> > productive?

> > Do you find it difficult to have therapists complete their

> > documentation on the same day? What is the productivity standard

> that

> > is expected by most clinics? What kind of revenue should a therapist

> > generate in terms of his salary? Eg: Should a therapist generate

> three

> > or four times his salary?

> > Thank you all who will share their thoughts.

> > B. Chacko

> > Tricare Rehab Services

> >

> >