Greetings from another Mother

[Guest guest]

Hu welcome to our list. I think hands down you have got to be our most

experenced mother. I am very impressed with what you ahve done. You are a

womderful role model yourself as was your mother in law.

Is it hard having so many children? I really wanted a large family My mom is

sure I am going to have at least half a dozen but the more I think about it

the more I worry I woudln't be abel to handle it.

Amy

[Guest guest]

Hu welcome to our list. I think hands down you have got to be our most

experenced mother. I am very impressed with what you ahve done. You are a

womderful role model yourself as was your mother in law.

Is it hard having so many children? I really wanted a large family My mom is

sure I am going to have at least half a dozen but the more I think about it

the more I worry I woudln't be abel to handle it.

Amy

[Guest guest]

Hu welcome to our list. I think hands down you have got to be our most

experenced mother. I am very impressed with what you ahve done. You are a

womderful role model yourself as was your mother in law.

Is it hard having so many children? I really wanted a large family My mom is

sure I am going to have at least half a dozen but the more I think about it

the more I worry I woudln't be abel to handle it.

Amy

[Guest guest]

Hi Cherie!

Welcome to the list! I'm happy to see such an experienced mother join our

group, I'm sure you'll give lots of valuable information

As for the thrush ordeal, I can relate! I battled the beast intermittently

since Kylie was 10 months old, and it's tough to get rid of. I'm not sure if

you're willing to try Diflucan, and it can be difficult to find a doctor

willing to prescribe it for thrush on the nipples (dermatologists seem to know

more about this drug & use than most GP's or OB's). The % transmission of the

drug through breastmilk is significantly lower than the oral dosage for a

baby; this means although it's not been tested on lactating mothers and their

nurslings, common sense would dictate it's safe. The usual dosage is 2 x 100

mg on the first day, and 1x100mg a day for 9 days following.

Good luck!

& Kylie, still nursing at 18 months!

[Guest guest]

Hi Cherie!

Welcome to the list! I'm happy to see such an experienced mother join our

group, I'm sure you'll give lots of valuable information

As for the thrush ordeal, I can relate! I battled the beast intermittently

since Kylie was 10 months old, and it's tough to get rid of. I'm not sure if

you're willing to try Diflucan, and it can be difficult to find a doctor

willing to prescribe it for thrush on the nipples (dermatologists seem to know

more about this drug & use than most GP's or OB's). The % transmission of the

drug through breastmilk is significantly lower than the oral dosage for a

baby; this means although it's not been tested on lactating mothers and their

nurslings, common sense would dictate it's safe. The usual dosage is 2 x 100

mg on the first day, and 1x100mg a day for 9 days following.

Good luck!

& Kylie, still nursing at 18 months!

[Guest guest]

Hi Cherie!

Welcome to the list! I'm happy to see such an experienced mother join our

group, I'm sure you'll give lots of valuable information

As for the thrush ordeal, I can relate! I battled the beast intermittently

since Kylie was 10 months old, and it's tough to get rid of. I'm not sure if

you're willing to try Diflucan, and it can be difficult to find a doctor

willing to prescribe it for thrush on the nipples (dermatologists seem to know

more about this drug & use than most GP's or OB's). The % transmission of the

drug through breastmilk is significantly lower than the oral dosage for a

baby; this means although it's not been tested on lactating mothers and their

nurslings, common sense would dictate it's safe. The usual dosage is 2 x 100

mg on the first day, and 1x100mg a day for 9 days following.

Good luck!

& Kylie, still nursing at 18 months!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/15/99 10:48:15 PM Central Standard Time,

chenille@... writes:

<< So...no...it isn't harder..but Neil

and I sure do LOVE BEDTIME!!!!!

>>

Hehe That makes ALOT of since!!!! I hear another person say (she had four)

that the first is easy the second will blow you away with work the 3rd is 3

times as hard but the 4th was a breeze

Amy

[Guest guest]

Welcome Cherie!!!!

All I can say is, " WOW!!! " What a wonderful example you have set for your

children!! I'm looking forward to reading your posts as I'm sure you will have

a lots of great info for all of us!

Dana -Mommy to Philip ph 9/17/97

[Guest guest]

Welcome Cherie!!!!

All I can say is, " WOW!!! " What a wonderful example you have set for your

children!! I'm looking forward to reading your posts as I'm sure you will have

a lots of great info for all of us!

Dana -Mommy to Philip ph 9/17/97

[Guest guest]

Welcome Cherie!!!!

All I can say is, " WOW!!! " What a wonderful example you have set for your

children!! I'm looking forward to reading your posts as I'm sure you will have

a lots of great info for all of us!

Dana -Mommy to Philip ph 9/17/97

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/15/99 10:59:44 PM Central Standard Time,

atceric@... writes:

<< Now, what I always wonder though, is how much does it cost to feed a family

that

size, and how long does it take to prepare it? I can't even imagine what

your

grocery trips must be like! >>

My husbands cousins family is very large and they have there own cows I am

sure they grow alot of there own food too. I don't think you could afford to

feed that many peopl if ou didn't make some yourself. I am plannig on making a

garden in our yard when get about 2 so he can learn about it.

WAht would be some good htings that are easy to rase ??

Amy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/15/99 10:59:44 PM Central Standard Time,

atceric@... writes:

<< Now, what I always wonder though, is how much does it cost to feed a family

that

size, and how long does it take to prepare it? I can't even imagine what

your

grocery trips must be like! >>

My husbands cousins family is very large and they have there own cows I am

sure they grow alot of there own food too. I don't think you could afford to

feed that many peopl if ou didn't make some yourself. I am plannig on making a

garden in our yard when get about 2 so he can learn about it.

WAht would be some good htings that are easy to rase ??

Amy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/15/99 10:59:44 PM Central Standard Time,

atceric@... writes:

<< Now, what I always wonder though, is how much does it cost to feed a family

that

size, and how long does it take to prepare it? I can't even imagine what

your

grocery trips must be like! >>

My husbands cousins family is very large and they have there own cows I am

sure they grow alot of there own food too. I don't think you could afford to

feed that many peopl if ou didn't make some yourself. I am plannig on making a

garden in our yard when get about 2 so he can learn about it.

WAht would be some good htings that are easy to rase ??

Amy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/15/99 11:43:19 PM Central Standard Time,

chenille@... writes:

<< At some point in all of this child rearing my job changed from

housekeeper/cook to teacher/supervisor. It has its downfalls, things are

never done as quickly or as perfectly as when I did it myself. But....I

believe that I am raising capable adults, husbands and wives, mothers and

fathers. Everything else in life is supportive of those roles. >>

I couldn't agree more if we rasie a wonderful husband and father we did our

job.

Amy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/15/99 11:43:19 PM Central Standard Time,

chenille@... writes:

<< At some point in all of this child rearing my job changed from

housekeeper/cook to teacher/supervisor. It has its downfalls, things are

never done as quickly or as perfectly as when I did it myself. But....I

believe that I am raising capable adults, husbands and wives, mothers and

fathers. Everything else in life is supportive of those roles. >>

I couldn't agree more if we rasie a wonderful husband and father we did our

job.

Amy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/15/99 11:43:19 PM Central Standard Time,

chenille@... writes:

<< At some point in all of this child rearing my job changed from

housekeeper/cook to teacher/supervisor. It has its downfalls, things are

never done as quickly or as perfectly as when I did it myself. But....I

believe that I am raising capable adults, husbands and wives, mothers and

fathers. Everything else in life is supportive of those roles. >>

I couldn't agree more if we rasie a wonderful husband and father we did our

job.

Amy

[Guest guest]

Oh! Now you are REALLY making me want more! I have three children, and

actually, this third one has been a breeze. My dh works weird hours, so I was

outnumbered at 2. I have often suspected that it actually gets easier. My

neighbor has 14 kids, and I think she has it better than me. She has built-in

babysitters. She was able to go to the Bahamas with her dh last year and leave

the baby (then about 1 yr) with the older ones (oldest at home is probably about

17?, but also has a 24 yo). And my oldest is now 6 - a great age to help with

the baby. I WANT MORE!!!! (can you tell I am a little jealous??? dh won't let

me have any more).

Now, what I always wonder though, is how much does it cost to feed a family that

size, and how long does it take to prepare it? I can't even imagine what your

grocery trips must be like!

> One mother asked if it is hard having so many children. The hardest anybody

> ever does is one, two and three children. After that it gets much, much

> easier. I found that with one child I was exhausted all of the time. I was

> all and everything to that child and gave a huge sigh of relief when Neil

> came through the door and my job was cut in half. With two children I felt

> a tremendous amount of guilt. I could not do for two what I could for

> one...somebody was always waiting. My baby would have to wait to be nursed

> because my 2 year old had already waited an hour too long for lunch and I

> never seemed able to do for two what I could for one. With three children I

> was frazzeled because I had more children than I had hands, more children

> than I had lap and when I nursed the baby! Once the fourth arrived

> everything started to fit perfectly. I was now experienced. My older child

> was older (5 1/2) and able to help with the mini crisis that happened when a

> mommy nurses a baby...telephone, " i wants " , " bring me " , " quick, see what is

> happening... " I saw that family life was not meant to be 'beat mom up with

> exhaustion, guilt and emergencies' so much as relax and enjoy, everybody

> will survive healthy. Life got comfortable. With each baby after that it

> just kept getting better and better. So...no...it isn't harder..but Neil

> and I sure do LOVE BEDTIME!!!!!

>

> Cherie

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Oh! Now you are REALLY making me want more! I have three children, and

actually, this third one has been a breeze. My dh works weird hours, so I was

outnumbered at 2. I have often suspected that it actually gets easier. My

neighbor has 14 kids, and I think she has it better than me. She has built-in

babysitters. She was able to go to the Bahamas with her dh last year and leave

the baby (then about 1 yr) with the older ones (oldest at home is probably about

17?, but also has a 24 yo). And my oldest is now 6 - a great age to help with

the baby. I WANT MORE!!!! (can you tell I am a little jealous??? dh won't let

me have any more).

Now, what I always wonder though, is how much does it cost to feed a family that

size, and how long does it take to prepare it? I can't even imagine what your

grocery trips must be like!

> One mother asked if it is hard having so many children. The hardest anybody

> ever does is one, two and three children. After that it gets much, much

> easier. I found that with one child I was exhausted all of the time. I was

> all and everything to that child and gave a huge sigh of relief when Neil

> came through the door and my job was cut in half. With two children I felt

> a tremendous amount of guilt. I could not do for two what I could for

> one...somebody was always waiting. My baby would have to wait to be nursed

> because my 2 year old had already waited an hour too long for lunch and I

> never seemed able to do for two what I could for one. With three children I

> was frazzeled because I had more children than I had hands, more children

> than I had lap and when I nursed the baby! Once the fourth arrived

> everything started to fit perfectly. I was now experienced. My older child

> was older (5 1/2) and able to help with the mini crisis that happened when a

> mommy nurses a baby...telephone, " i wants " , " bring me " , " quick, see what is

> happening... " I saw that family life was not meant to be 'beat mom up with

> exhaustion, guilt and emergencies' so much as relax and enjoy, everybody

> will survive healthy. Life got comfortable. With each baby after that it

> just kept getting better and better. So...no...it isn't harder..but Neil

> and I sure do LOVE BEDTIME!!!!!

>

> Cherie

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Oh! Now you are REALLY making me want more! I have three children, and

actually, this third one has been a breeze. My dh works weird hours, so I was

outnumbered at 2. I have often suspected that it actually gets easier. My

neighbor has 14 kids, and I think she has it better than me. She has built-in

babysitters. She was able to go to the Bahamas with her dh last year and leave

the baby (then about 1 yr) with the older ones (oldest at home is probably about

17?, but also has a 24 yo). And my oldest is now 6 - a great age to help with

the baby. I WANT MORE!!!! (can you tell I am a little jealous??? dh won't let

me have any more).

Now, what I always wonder though, is how much does it cost to feed a family that

size, and how long does it take to prepare it? I can't even imagine what your

grocery trips must be like!

> One mother asked if it is hard having so many children. The hardest anybody

> ever does is one, two and three children. After that it gets much, much

> easier. I found that with one child I was exhausted all of the time. I was

> all and everything to that child and gave a huge sigh of relief when Neil

> came through the door and my job was cut in half. With two children I felt

> a tremendous amount of guilt. I could not do for two what I could for

> one...somebody was always waiting. My baby would have to wait to be nursed

> because my 2 year old had already waited an hour too long for lunch and I

> never seemed able to do for two what I could for one. With three children I

> was frazzeled because I had more children than I had hands, more children

> than I had lap and when I nursed the baby! Once the fourth arrived

> everything started to fit perfectly. I was now experienced. My older child

> was older (5 1/2) and able to help with the mini crisis that happened when a

> mommy nurses a baby...telephone, " i wants " , " bring me " , " quick, see what is

> happening... " I saw that family life was not meant to be 'beat mom up with

> exhaustion, guilt and emergencies' so much as relax and enjoy, everybody

> will survive healthy. Life got comfortable. With each baby after that it

> just kept getting better and better. So...no...it isn't harder..but Neil

> and I sure do LOVE BEDTIME!!!!!

>

> Cherie

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

I am in total overwhemment! I know that's not a word, but it is what

describes what I think about your food situation. You are a great

orchestrator! I always wondered about groceies too. There is another thing I

have always been curious about too...how does anyone afford it? I dont' mean

to be too personal, so don't answer if I have crossed the line. I am just so

impressed.

[Guest guest]

,

I don't know where you live, perhaps that makes a difference. When I first

joined the church in Feb 1975 the only people I ever saw or knew about

nursing were the LDS women. My husband's mother and her peers were nursing

their babies while the rest of the country went the way of the bottle. The

mothers that I know almost all nurse although some..ok...probably most will

use a bottle from time to time. One of the most likely time to use a bottle

is in Sacrament meeting (our main Sunday meeting). This is for a couple of

reasons:

1. Clothes not made for easy nursing (I have spent YEARS wearing skirt and

blouse for this reason)

2. Church responsibilities. The leaders totally support a mother's first

responsibility to be with and nurse her baby but many women still prefer to

put their service to others first on Sunday...even though the rest of the

week they would never NOT nurse for that reason

3. All church buildings have places where a mother can go to nurse her baby

or be with a fussy baby and still hear the speakers but many perfer to sit

with their husbands and children and keep the baby quiet with a bottle.

4. More and more mothers in my church are leaving to work because of

financial difficulties...mainly for the reason of paying off a home. It

simply has become more 'normal' to mix nursing with bottles.

5. Sabbath worship is an every week thing for us so many are able to plan

for it and try like mad to make it through Sacrament meeting and nurse

during Sunday School or Relief Society. (Our Sunday block is 3 hours long,

1 hour per meeting.) I find that I can make any two meetings on any given

Sunday but spend either part of two or 1 whole meeting nursing my baby

either in the class or in the mother's room. I prefer the mother's room

when there are other nursing mothers (usually are) because we talk. hehehe.

6. There are currently 10 million LDS members over the age of 8. When I

joined the church there was 3 1/2 million. Even though that number is

world-wide the same kind of growth is happening here in America. That means

that there are more converts than those who have been from long-time LDS

stock. People bring with them their customs, and their upbringing. They

grow and change lots...most of it focusing on the Savior and on the family.

I guess what I am trying to say here is there in the area of nursing we are

beginning to look more and more typical all of the time.

Of all the reasons given the number one reason for not nursing would still

be ignorance followed closely by the need to work out of the home.

I have used a bottle on only one child. Ben (10 weeks premature weighed

4#3oz at birth) was 12 months old and weighed 11 pounds...ok, another story

later. When he was 13 months my milk turned to colostrum because I was 20

weeks pregnant with Chamrie. I would hold Ben, give him a bottle while

cuddeling him against my breast. He would turn to the bottle and suck a

few, turn back to me and nurse. I cried every time. Four months later, the

moment Chamrie was born, I threw the bottle away and nursed my two " near

twins " . Ben nursed for another year and then I weaned him...He was 30

months.

The bottle was made to save lives. It did Ben's.

Well! I bet you didn't expect a BIG letter. It is very difficult for me to

write tiny sentences. I joke and say, " Why write a sentence when a

paragraph will do? "

Cherie

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

You answered many of my questions. Thank you for explaining how you do it!

Truly inspiring! Keep up the great work! It is a real system I can see!

Sounds like it is well oiled too!

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

Amen to this.

Being the mother of 4 boys, I do believe I'm training them to be competent,

able adults. I figure their wives will thank me. My only daughter is

already very maternal.

S. Mom to 5.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>At some point in all of this child rearing my job changed from

>housekeeper/cook to teacher/supervisor. It has its downfalls, things are

>never done as quickly or as perfectly as when I did it myself. But....I

>believe that I am raising capable adults, husbands and wives, mothers and

>fathers. Everything else in life is supportive of those roles.

>

>Cherie

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

What is LDS?

from the UK (the other !)

Greetings from another Mother

>

>

>,

>I don't know where you live, perhaps that makes a difference. When I first

>joined the church in Feb 1975 the only people I ever saw or knew about

>nursing were the LDS women. My husband's mother and her peers were nursing

>their babies while the rest of the country went the way of the bottle. The

>mothers that I know almost all nurse although some..ok...probably most will

>use a bottle from time to time. One of the most likely time to use a

bottle

>is in Sacrament meeting (our main Sunday meeting). This is for a couple of

>reasons:

>

>1. Clothes not made for easy nursing (I have spent YEARS wearing skirt and

>blouse for this reason)

>

>2. Church responsibilities. The leaders totally support a mother's first

>responsibility to be with and nurse her baby but many women still prefer to

>put their service to others first on Sunday...even though the rest of the

>week they would never NOT nurse for that reason

>

>3. All church buildings have places where a mother can go to nurse her

baby

>or be with a fussy baby and still hear the speakers but many perfer to sit

>with their husbands and children and keep the baby quiet with a bottle.

>

>4. More and more mothers in my church are leaving to work because of

>financial difficulties...mainly for the reason of paying off a home. It

>simply has become more 'normal' to mix nursing with bottles.

>

>5. Sabbath worship is an every week thing for us so many are able to plan

>for it and try like mad to make it through Sacrament meeting and nurse

>during Sunday School or Relief Society. (Our Sunday block is 3 hours long,

>1 hour per meeting.) I find that I can make any two meetings on any given

>Sunday but spend either part of two or 1 whole meeting nursing my baby

>either in the class or in the mother's room. I prefer the mother's room

>when there are other nursing mothers (usually are) because we talk.

hehehe.

>

>6. There are currently 10 million LDS members over the age of 8. When I

>joined the church there was 3 1/2 million. Even though that number is

>world-wide the same kind of growth is happening here in America. That

means

>that there are more converts than those who have been from long-time LDS

>stock. People bring with them their customs, and their upbringing. They

>grow and change lots...most of it focusing on the Savior and on the family.

>I guess what I am trying to say here is there in the area of nursing we are

>beginning to look more and more typical all of the time.

>

>Of all the reasons given the number one reason for not nursing would still

>be ignorance followed closely by the need to work out of the home.

>

>I have used a bottle on only one child. Ben (10 weeks premature weighed

>4#3oz at birth) was 12 months old and weighed 11 pounds...ok, another story

>later. When he was 13 months my milk turned to colostrum because I was 20

>weeks pregnant with Chamrie. I would hold Ben, give him a bottle while

>cuddeling him against my breast. He would turn to the bottle and suck a

>few, turn back to me and nurse. I cried every time. Four months later,

the

>moment Chamrie was born, I threw the bottle away and nursed my two " near

>twins " . Ben nursed for another year and then I weaned him...He was 30

>months.

>

>The bottle was made to save lives. It did Ben's.

>

>Well! I bet you didn't expect a BIG letter. It is very difficult for me

to

>write tiny sentences. I joke and say, " Why write a sentence when a

>paragraph will do? "

>

>

>

>Cherie

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

wow!

The Chudzik's

DANA, HILDA & MARIA

Re: Greetings from another Mother

>

>

>Hmmm...afford. Well.... We've been wealthy and we've been poor. I figure

>that we will probably be wealthy again someday and wouldn't be surprized if

>poverty happens again from time to time. Neil is a chiropractor. Don't

let

>that fool you. When we married he didn't have a job. He started hanging

>sheet rock (construction work). I got pregnant with Marshall right away.

>The night week he decided to go back to school to be a doctor I got

pregnant

>with Chani. We had Chani, Ben and Chamrie while he was in school. We had

>Chiya while he interned. We had , and Cheyanne while he was

>paying off debt. We had Chalae when we were finally debt free and decided

>to sell out and move to Utah to raise our children. We arrived in Utah

>right in the middle of a legal battle over liscening and it took TWO AND A

>HALF YEARS for Neil to get his Utah liscense. AUGH! Neil finally had to

go

>to the National Board. Every chiropractor in the country MUST take tests

>from the board. They offer 5 different tests and Neil had taken 4 of them,

>Utah wanted him to take the last. Now..the test he didn't have was for new

>doctors just out of college and was the equivent of the one he had already

>taken from them. But...politics is a pain. So...(oh..each test is

>expensive plus time off work plus air fair hotel...everything...costs lots

>and lots of money...one cost us 5,000 of all expenses) anyway, the National

>Board pulled his record and said, " Dr. Logan..you tested ABOVE the 95% on

>every single test...what does that state want from you? " So, the state

>lawyer suggested to the state board that they better get off their duff and

>give him a liscense. So...for the previous 2 1/2 years Neil was remodeling

>houses...first at $5.00 an hour and finally at $15.00 an hour! AUGH!!!!

>This is a long way from when he was in San Diego and was doing $2,000 a day

>in services. Of course, it is relative. In San Diego our overhead

(office)

>was roughly 25,000 a month. So, now he is doing construction by day and

>being a doctor by night.

>

>How do we afford it. I take whatever money comes in. I pay whatever bills

>I can leaving $30 for gasoline, $100 - 200 for food for 2 weeks, $40 for

our

>date nights. Then, once the bills are paid for the month I take whatever

is

>left and purchase more food. I have a running list of things that we need

>to purchase someday and sometimes squeeze a bit here and there. We do a

lot

>of service. In San Diego clearly 40-50% of what we did we did as a

service.

>Here it is much the same. People are appreciative of service, especially

>when they otherwise couldn't afford to be out of pain. So..we get

wonderful

>things sent our way like deserets, clothing, nights out on the town, car

>repair, dental work....you name it. So...we can survive on $400 a month

for

>food. We can build a comfortable, rotating supply on $600-800 a month, we

>can use that rotating supply on $300 a month for a short time.

>

>My mother helps out in emergencies but we try hard to not have emergencies.

>There have been times when our church helped out. We give so much service

>in the church that it was an interested turn of the table...and a wonderful

>blessing.

>

>Sometimes I just go crazy and spend the entire money on food. And then I

>scramble to pay bills but we have a full pantry. Two of my teens give

>service with an organization called Helping Hands. They work from 9 am to

2

>pm and in return come home with dairy products and wonderful sweets that we

>would otherwise never get. We shop at the day old bakery and freeze the

>bread. We freeze lots and lots of things. In the summertime I can

produce,

>much of it is given us by others who know I am a stay-at-home mom. We

don't

>go out as a family. We almost never have fast-food.

>

>Neil and I do date each week. A couple of times a month we take our

>'dating' teen (over 16) out with us. We take a helper (rotates each week)

>out with us occasionally and we take each out for their birthday. There

are

>lots of church activities, potlucks, dinners, parties, etc that we

>participate in. Somehow we get by and every need gets met but sometimes it

>has to wait. Oh....there was the time one of my girls

>said....FINALLY.... " Mom, I really need some underware. I only have one

pair

>but it is ok because I just keep turning it inside out! " Needless to

>say...she had underware the very next day!!!!!

>

>Cherie

>

>

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