Guest guest Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Hi, Val- Patty wanted to bump this to you- so I would like your input. The Isue is what to do abotu very high cortisol in the am. My mom has bad insomnia, a Ft3/RT3 ratio =10, and high morning cortisol. Usually you fix the adrenals first - but with such high cortisol on her test, wouldn't that be dangerous? And how to proceed with T3? Right away? See labs below I want Val's input on this if she's around this evening; not sure she will be. > > Adrenal fatigue includes stages of high cortisol, mixed and low cortisol. The insomnia could likely be due to high cortisol and PS at bedtime might help lower the AM. Does she feel bad in the early evening? I'm not really sure what the best plan is here. Is she having trouble going to sleep or keeps waking up? > > On the thyroid as you can see, she has a bad RT3 problem. This is likely due to the cortisol issues. She needs to be on T3 only as the ratio should be at least 20. She needs to graph temps per www.drrind.com too as she increases T3. > > Looking at the iron vs ferritin, I have a feeling there may be inflammation somewhere. Does she have any autoimmune or arthritis problems? > > Patty > > > > > > What do you think of the below labs for my mom. Her morning cortisol is very high. > > 1. Does that mean adrenal fatigue is not an issue, or that adrenals are in the first stages of fatigue and overcomensating for weak Thyroid? That is, is HC necessary here? > > 2. My mom has bad insomnia- is that high morning cortisol likely the remains from high cortisol throughout the night? If so would phosphatidal serine help? > > > > Saliva test Cortisol Range > > 7:45 am 20.3 3.7 - 9.5 > > 12:05 pm 2.4 1.2- 3.0 > > 7:30 pm 0.4 0.6 - 1.9 > > 10:45 pm 0.6 0.4 - 1.0 > > > > Blood Test > > Iron 71 30-160 > > Vitamin D 49.3 32-100 > > Ferritin 151 13-150 > > Estradiol 23.78 5.0-54.72 > > Estrogen 364 Less than 40 pg/ml > > Free T3 2.7 2.57-4.43 pg/ml > > Reverse T3 265 90-350 pg/ml > > Ft3/Reverse T3 ratio= 10.2 > > > > Free T4- 2.3 1.1-4.5 > > Anti-thyroglobulin <20 < =40 IU/ml > > Anti-TPO AB 11 < =35 IU/ml > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 For her, a bedtime dose of PS and melatonin may help the highAM cortisol. She absolutely needs T3 and it may help her adnrelas as the worst prblem she has is high coritosl, not low. She is VERY hypothyroid and thta in itself will cause cortils to raise as long as it can, to try to raise the metabolism, it is still responding but cannot keep up that pace forever. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Thank you! She is going to a doc Monday who is very sympathetic to the alternative approach to thyroid- his name is Dr. Dan Elber in Edison NJ. I don't know what he will think of this T3 only approach, but it sounds like he's open, which will help her insurance. She's bringing the STTM book, dr Holtorf's pages that site FT3/RT3 as the best measurement, and her tests. BUT can you recommend anything she can bring that could persuade him that T3 is the only way to go for people like her? I don't see anything on Holtorf's site that indicates that. She's going to ask for T3 only but she needs ammunition to support her effort. > > For her, a bedtime dose of PS and melatonin may help the highAM > cortisol. She absolutely needs T3 and it may help her adnrelas as the > worst prblem she has is high coritosl, not low. She is VERY hypothyroid > and thta in itself will cause cortils to raise as long as it can, to try > to raise the metabolism, it is still responding but cannot keep up that > pace forever. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 No time for searches now but you can look for high cortisol Reverse T3. I am sure there are studies out there about this and as long as her cortiosl is high T3 only is the only way to go. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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