Guest guest Report post Posted March 25, 2004 I'm not a fan of telemarketers, but they must have their place and it must work, cause they're still around. Maybe they're using the wrong telemarketers. Surely there are firms out there that are more professional, and charge less. Marketing services have a definite value, but 90% is a bit steep. But I don't usually use telemarketers, so I don't know. We do very narrowly targeted marketing, so we have to do it ourselves. But reading all this, I see there are a couple of things EMSAT needs to do: 1. Demonstrate to their consituency the value proposition of EMSAT membership. That's valid. Every organization has to prove it provides value to it's target audience. But, value isn't always in hard dollar terms. Sometimes the value is a FUTURE value, but there should be a plan, and some expectation that membership is worth doing. And with this much debate among some of the most involved folks in their target market means there's something needing to be done. 2. Marketing Marketing Marketing. But it's hard, and I think the scope of what EMSAT represents (all of Texas) works against it. When the local Lions club needs to do a mailing, we all get in one room and get it done. Harder to do scattered all over the state. And I don't know the answer to the Large Fire-Based services. It goes back to a question I've been posing for years: Do we see ourselves as PUBLIC SAFETY folks, or MEDICAL folks? If the former, it can tend to dilute our sense of identity as a separate profession (and if we weren't separate, why do so many people view EMS as a step to go through from Firefighter to Driver/Engineer? =Steve= > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 25, 2004 Add to that the fact that the organizations who do the telemarketing will often get 80-90%, (often higher) of the donation, and what you have is for 10 cents on the dollar, you get associated with all the " Hello, congratulations!!! You're a winner!!! " telemarketing schemes. It hurts. Mike > In a marketing class I took I was told cold call telemarketing was around > 6%. Some even less. Warm calls got around 35%. > > Ed Walsh LP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 25, 2004 In a marketing class I took I was told cold call telemarketing was around 6%. Some even less. Warm calls got around 35%. Ed Walsh LP Re: EMSAT Does anyone know how effective ANY telemarketing is? We know it is good enough to keep the minimum wage people employed but how how money is raised, for example, a firefighter union? On Thursday, Mar 25, 2004, at 14:51 US/Central, ExLngHrn@... composed: > Steve, > I don't mean to argue, but I think a lot of the initial > disagreement on > the list came from the telemarketing. The concern was that EMSAT, > through using > telemarketing, could be lumped in with other public safety groups that > operate as little more than a mechanism for telemarketers to claim > over 90 cents per > dollar. > > -Wes > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 25, 2004 You know, Salvador may be on to something, perhaps we should have the telemarketers buy our phone numbers from TDH, then call everyone on the list and convince them that they should join.......we could keep the telemarketers AND increase membership, basically, they could work themselves out of a job..... Mike > You know the one thing I can definitely say is that the majority of EMS personnel outside of the list, directors, administrators, have never heard of EMSAT. Why, you may ask? Well, let us see. The majority of EMS personnel have heard of NAEMT. Why? Advertising. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 26, 2004 More public views of EMS: The other day in an educator association meeting, I was chatting with a few fellow teachers. I mentioned how I wished EMS was as organized as teachers. They all looked fairly perplexed and said why would people who have so much in common and do such wonderful things need representation, EMS people should get everything they want. If this is a fairly common notion/myth of the public, maybe that would be a good place to start. mikey >>> ewalsh@... 3/25/04 11:31:53 PM >>> In a marketing class I took I was told cold call telemarketing was around 6%. Some even less. Warm calls got around 35%. Ed Walsh LP Re: EMSAT Does anyone know how effective ANY telemarketing is? We know it is good enough to keep the minimum wage people employed but how how money is raised, for example, a firefighter union? On Thursday, Mar 25, 2004, at 14:51 US/Central, ExLngHrn@... composed: > Steve, > I don't mean to argue, but I think a lot of the initial > disagreement on > the list came from the telemarketing. The concern was that EMSAT, > through using > telemarketing, could be lumped in with other public safety groups that > operate as little more than a mechanism for telemarketers to claim > over 90 cents per > dollar. > > -Wes > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 29, 2004 Steve, The right to have an opinion only applies to members of EMSAT?? Pass me some of that Kool-Aid. I believe it's the Jim ' People's Temple flavor. -Wes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 29, 2004 Steve, The right to have an opinion only applies to members of EMSAT?? Pass me some of that Kool-Aid. I believe it's the Jim ' People's Temple flavor. -Wes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 29, 2004 Comments inline > My challenge to all of you: > 1. If you are REALLY, REALLY not in favor of what EMSAT is doing, or > what they can do, then that is absolutely your right and you can ignore > the next statement! Steve, before we go back into the whole 'rah rah' rhetoric thing, let me ask you if you can tell me what EMSAT is doing? List a few things. List a few accomplishments. > > 2. If you DO think EMSAT can be useful to us, and CAN do something (and > MANY of us must, because a LOT of folks had ideas on how to do it > better!), then, to put this as delicately as I can: > > YOU NEED TO JOIN!!! I did, my dues are paid. > > Not to be critical of any human being (ya'll know how gentle and > non-critical I am!!), but if you don't really disapprove, or don't join, > you're just running your head! Agree, Disagree, or get out of the way! > > And really, I am serious. Some folks really don't think an organization > like EMSAT works, and are just against what they're trying to do. And > that is perfectly ok. But for the rest of us, who wanted to talk about > how it should be done, have you joined and paid your dues? Most of the people that were in the discussion, had some fantastic ideas, what difference does it make if the good ideas were put forth by members or non members? If the criticism was from a non member, so long as it is constructive criticism, what difference does it make? > > I was one of those who hadn't, then felt compelled to enter the > discussion. And realized I had no business being in the discussion if I > wasn't a stakeholder. > > So??? No offense to anyone who is in support of EMSAT, and believe it or not, I am as well, but someone needs to tell us what EMSAT has accomlished, what their stands are on current and past various bits and pieces of legislation, what impact they hope to have on it, and had on them. More importantly how that impact is going to be in my benefit, not only me personally, but 'me' as a rural/frontier medic, how their stance is going to make it easier to do my job, etc. To now, the only ideals that EMSAT had which were made public, were those that were voiced by Ron H., and quite honestly, I disagreed with most of them, so who speaks for EMSAT now? Is it still Ron? There's more to it, than just, " JOIN JOIN JOIN!! " and, " Join cause we are the only ones in town " , don't you agree? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 29, 2004 Non-members have not earned the right to make suggestions. Hatfield (Home) wrote: >Comments inline > > > > > > > >>My challenge to all of you: >>1. If you are REALLY, REALLY not in favor of what EMSAT is doing, or >>what they can do, then that is absolutely your right and you can ignore >>the next statement! >> >> > >Steve, before we go back into the whole 'rah rah' rhetoric thing, let me ask >you if you can tell me what EMSAT is doing? List a few things. List a few >accomplishments. > > > >>2. If you DO think EMSAT can be useful to us, and CAN do something (and >>MANY of us must, because a LOT of folks had ideas on how to do it >>better!), then, to put this as delicately as I can: >> >>YOU NEED TO JOIN!!! >> >> > >I did, my dues are paid. > > > >>Not to be critical of any human being (ya'll know how gentle and >>non-critical I am!!), but if you don't really disapprove, or don't join, >>you're just running your head! Agree, Disagree, or get out of the way! >> >>And really, I am serious. Some folks really don't think an organization >>like EMSAT works, and are just against what they're trying to do. And >>that is perfectly ok. But for the rest of us, who wanted to talk about >>how it should be done, have you joined and paid your dues? >> >> > >Most of the people that were in the discussion, had some fantastic ideas, >what difference does it make if the good ideas were put forth by members or >non members? If the criticism was from a non member, so long as it is >constructive criticism, what difference does it make? > > > >>I was one of those who hadn't, then felt compelled to enter the >>discussion. And realized I had no business being in the discussion if I >>wasn't a stakeholder. >> >>So??? >> >> > > > >No offense to anyone who is in support of EMSAT, and believe it or not, I am >as well, but someone needs to tell us what EMSAT has accomlished, what their >stands are on current and past various bits and pieces of legislation, what >impact they hope to have on it, and had on them. More importantly how that >impact is going to be in my benefit, not only me personally, but 'me' as a >rural/frontier medic, how their stance is going to make it easier to do my >job, etc. > >To now, the only ideals that EMSAT had which were made public, were those >that were voiced by Ron H., and quite honestly, I disagreed with most of >them, so who speaks for EMSAT now? Is it still Ron? > > >There's more to it, than just, " JOIN JOIN JOIN!! " and, " Join cause we are >the only ones in town " , don't you agree? > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 29, 2004 Non-members have not earned the right to make suggestions. Hatfield (Home) wrote: >Comments inline > > > > > > > >>My challenge to all of you: >>1. If you are REALLY, REALLY not in favor of what EMSAT is doing, or >>what they can do, then that is absolutely your right and you can ignore >>the next statement! >> >> > >Steve, before we go back into the whole 'rah rah' rhetoric thing, let me ask >you if you can tell me what EMSAT is doing? List a few things. List a few >accomplishments. > > > >>2. If you DO think EMSAT can be useful to us, and CAN do something (and >>MANY of us must, because a LOT of folks had ideas on how to do it >>better!), then, to put this as delicately as I can: >> >>YOU NEED TO JOIN!!! >> >> > >I did, my dues are paid. > > > >>Not to be critical of any human being (ya'll know how gentle and >>non-critical I am!!), but if you don't really disapprove, or don't join, >>you're just running your head! Agree, Disagree, or get out of the way! >> >>And really, I am serious. Some folks really don't think an organization >>like EMSAT works, and are just against what they're trying to do. And >>that is perfectly ok. But for the rest of us, who wanted to talk about >>how it should be done, have you joined and paid your dues? >> >> > >Most of the people that were in the discussion, had some fantastic ideas, >what difference does it make if the good ideas were put forth by members or >non members? If the criticism was from a non member, so long as it is >constructive criticism, what difference does it make? > > > >>I was one of those who hadn't, then felt compelled to enter the >>discussion. And realized I had no business being in the discussion if I >>wasn't a stakeholder. >> >>So??? >> >> > > > >No offense to anyone who is in support of EMSAT, and believe it or not, I am >as well, but someone needs to tell us what EMSAT has accomlished, what their >stands are on current and past various bits and pieces of legislation, what >impact they hope to have on it, and had on them. More importantly how that >impact is going to be in my benefit, not only me personally, but 'me' as a >rural/frontier medic, how their stance is going to make it easier to do my >job, etc. > >To now, the only ideals that EMSAT had which were made public, were those >that were voiced by Ron H., and quite honestly, I disagreed with most of >them, so who speaks for EMSAT now? Is it still Ron? > > >There's more to it, than just, " JOIN JOIN JOIN!! " and, " Join cause we are >the only ones in town " , don't you agree? > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 29, 2004 , That sounded harsher than intended. But comments and suggestions are made to IMPROVE the orgainzation. And if a person wants to improve EMSAT, why are they not members? It just seems a little hypocritical to me. Which is why I joined at this time, after not doing ot for a long while, but intending to. An orgainzation like EMSAT is not a done deal. It's not a finished product you buy. It's a work in progress that you participate in. Yes, we need to articulate the vision and benefits of the organization. And yes, there should be something in it for the money paid. But if it really is a representative organization, IT is US. And we should work together to make the changes that many are advocating, and work from the inside to implement the suggestions that are being made. My point is this: If a person makes suggestions and gives input, they are participating in EMSAT, by making those comments and suggestions. And participation in this organization has a proscribed method. You join, and pay dues. So, by participating in the discussion in a positive, constructive way, you are " joining " in the work of the organization. So, it's like joining but forgetting to pay dues? =Steve= Hatfield (Home) wrote: >Comments inline > > > > > > > >>My challenge to all of you: >>1. If you are REALLY, REALLY not in favor of what EMSAT is doing, or >>what they can do, then that is absolutely your right and you can ignore >>the next statement! >> >> > >Steve, before we go back into the whole 'rah rah' rhetoric thing, let me ask >you if you can tell me what EMSAT is doing? List a few things. List a few >accomplishments. > > > >>2. If you DO think EMSAT can be useful to us, and CAN do something (and >>MANY of us must, because a LOT of folks had ideas on how to do it >>better!), then, to put this as delicately as I can: >> >>YOU NEED TO JOIN!!! >> >> > >I did, my dues are paid. > > > >>Not to be critical of any human being (ya'll know how gentle and >>non-critical I am!!), but if you don't really disapprove, or don't join, >>you're just running your head! Agree, Disagree, or get out of the way! >> >>And really, I am serious. Some folks really don't think an organization >>like EMSAT works, and are just against what they're trying to do. And >>that is perfectly ok. But for the rest of us, who wanted to talk about >>how it should be done, have you joined and paid your dues? >> >> > >Most of the people that were in the discussion, had some fantastic ideas, >what difference does it make if the good ideas were put forth by members or >non members? If the criticism was from a non member, so long as it is >constructive criticism, what difference does it make? > > > >>I was one of those who hadn't, then felt compelled to enter the >>discussion. And realized I had no business being in the discussion if I >>wasn't a stakeholder. >> >>So??? >> >> > > > >No offense to anyone who is in support of EMSAT, and believe it or not, I am >as well, but someone needs to tell us what EMSAT has accomlished, what their >stands are on current and past various bits and pieces of legislation, what >impact they hope to have on it, and had on them. More importantly how that >impact is going to be in my benefit, not only me personally, but 'me' as a >rural/frontier medic, how their stance is going to make it easier to do my >job, etc. > >To now, the only ideals that EMSAT had which were made public, were those >that were voiced by Ron H., and quite honestly, I disagreed with most of >them, so who speaks for EMSAT now? Is it still Ron? > > >There's more to it, than just, " JOIN JOIN JOIN!! " and, " Join cause we are >the only ones in town " , don't you agree? > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 29, 2004 , That sounded harsher than intended. But comments and suggestions are made to IMPROVE the orgainzation. And if a person wants to improve EMSAT, why are they not members? It just seems a little hypocritical to me. Which is why I joined at this time, after not doing ot for a long while, but intending to. An orgainzation like EMSAT is not a done deal. It's not a finished product you buy. It's a work in progress that you participate in. Yes, we need to articulate the vision and benefits of the organization. And yes, there should be something in it for the money paid. But if it really is a representative organization, IT is US. And we should work together to make the changes that many are advocating, and work from the inside to implement the suggestions that are being made. My point is this: If a person makes suggestions and gives input, they are participating in EMSAT, by making those comments and suggestions. And participation in this organization has a proscribed method. You join, and pay dues. So, by participating in the discussion in a positive, constructive way, you are " joining " in the work of the organization. So, it's like joining but forgetting to pay dues? =Steve= Hatfield (Home) wrote: >Comments inline > > > > > > > >>My challenge to all of you: >>1. If you are REALLY, REALLY not in favor of what EMSAT is doing, or >>what they can do, then that is absolutely your right and you can ignore >>the next statement! >> >> > >Steve, before we go back into the whole 'rah rah' rhetoric thing, let me ask >you if you can tell me what EMSAT is doing? List a few things. List a few >accomplishments. > > > >>2. If you DO think EMSAT can be useful to us, and CAN do something (and >>MANY of us must, because a LOT of folks had ideas on how to do it >>better!), then, to put this as delicately as I can: >> >>YOU NEED TO JOIN!!! >> >> > >I did, my dues are paid. > > > >>Not to be critical of any human being (ya'll know how gentle and >>non-critical I am!!), but if you don't really disapprove, or don't join, >>you're just running your head! Agree, Disagree, or get out of the way! >> >>And really, I am serious. Some folks really don't think an organization >>like EMSAT works, and are just against what they're trying to do. And >>that is perfectly ok. But for the rest of us, who wanted to talk about >>how it should be done, have you joined and paid your dues? >> >> > >Most of the people that were in the discussion, had some fantastic ideas, >what difference does it make if the good ideas were put forth by members or >non members? If the criticism was from a non member, so long as it is >constructive criticism, what difference does it make? > > > >>I was one of those who hadn't, then felt compelled to enter the >>discussion. And realized I had no business being in the discussion if I >>wasn't a stakeholder. >> >>So??? >> >> > > > >No offense to anyone who is in support of EMSAT, and believe it or not, I am >as well, but someone needs to tell us what EMSAT has accomlished, what their >stands are on current and past various bits and pieces of legislation, what >impact they hope to have on it, and had on them. More importantly how that >impact is going to be in my benefit, not only me personally, but 'me' as a >rural/frontier medic, how their stance is going to make it easier to do my >job, etc. > >To now, the only ideals that EMSAT had which were made public, were those >that were voiced by Ron H., and quite honestly, I disagreed with most of >them, so who speaks for EMSAT now? Is it still Ron? > > >There's more to it, than just, " JOIN JOIN JOIN!! " and, " Join cause we are >the only ones in town " , don't you agree? > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 29, 2004 Oh, lets see. You think if you have suggestions for improvement for an organization you do not support, they are supposed to listen to you? and I'M Jim ? Not an argument I'd make in front of a jury. =Steve= ExLngHrn@... wrote: >Steve, > The right to have an opinion only applies to members of EMSAT?? Pass me >some of that Kool-Aid. I believe it's the Jim ' People's Temple flavor. > >-Wes > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 29, 2004 Sometimes it is a good thing to see how those on the outside perceive you to be, for perception IS reality, is it not? It's important to try to understand what it is that keeps people from joining, and I still don't believe that 50k members are apathetic. That's where the opinion of those outside the organization come in handy. I appreciate the ideas that those outside of the organization contribute. Perhaps their ideas on what EMSAT does not offer, is the reason they are still on the outisde. Mike Re: EMSAT > Oh, lets see. You think if you have suggestions for improvement for an > organization you do not support, they are supposed to listen to you? > and I'M Jim ? > > Not an argument I'd make in front of a jury. > > =Steve= > > > ExLngHrn@... wrote: > > >Steve, > > The right to have an opinion only applies to members of EMSAT?? Pass me > >some of that Kool-Aid. I believe it's the Jim ' People's Temple flavor. > > > >-Wes > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 29, 2004 Guys in my professional opinion you are being too harsh. GO LOOK UP SUGGESTION IN A DICTIONARY. That is all it is, a suggestion. Your comments are selfless and selfish. No one here said that we have to do what they suggested. It is just something to add to your list of suggestions. It is up to the board and VOTING members to decide what does or does not sound like a good idea. You have to be open about this if we are to get anywhere with EMS in this state. Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-Paramedic Re: EMSAT Oh, lets see. You think if you have suggestions for improvement for an organization you do not support, they are supposed to listen to you? and I'M Jim ? Not an argument I'd make in front of a jury. =Steve= ExLngHrn@... wrote: >Steve, > The right to have an opinion only applies to members of EMSAT?? Pass me >some of that Kool-Aid. I believe it's the Jim ' People's Temple flavor. > >-Wes > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 29, 2004 We have to remember, some people are in this for the money and do not care for much else. Some use it as a stepping stone. We have to live with these facts. Because of the conditions of EMS in various areas most people just use EMS as a stepping stone. Re: EMSAT Oh, lets see. You think if you have suggestions for improvement for an organization you do not support, they are supposed to listen to you? and I'M Jim ? Not an argument I'd make in front of a jury. =Steve= ExLngHrn@... wrote: >Steve, > The right to have an opinion only applies to members of EMSAT?? Pass me >some of that Kool-Aid. I believe it's the Jim ' People's Temple flavor. > >-Wes > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 29, 2004 It was the lack of logical connection between EMSAT, opinions, and Jim that might leave them scratching their heads! and as I said before, those that vote NOT to join, that is absolutely valid. There's just something disingenous about saying " I think you're doing the right things, and here's how you can do better, but I don't want to step up to be part of it " . But I said I wouldn't say anything more, and here I am rattling along again! =Steve= ExLngHrn@... wrote: >Steve, > Last time I checked, parody and sarcasm are well-utilized tactics. And I >think that people have the right to make suggestions. Some of us voted with >our checkbooks, and our vote is to not join EMSAT for now. > >-Wes > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 30, 2004 I read the JoinEMSAT.com website. It purports that EMSAT is " majority rule " organization. Does that mean that EMSAT submits all issues to its members? Or does the board of directors rule by majority? -Wes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 30, 2004 I read the JoinEMSAT.com website. It purports that EMSAT is " majority rule " organization. Does that mean that EMSAT submits all issues to its members? Or does the board of directors rule by majority? -Wes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 30, 2004 Dear Medic 427: Let me get this straight. You're going to let one comment from one EMSAT non-board member make you decide not to join. So all the positive comments that I and the other Board members have made you didn't hear? So you're condemning the organization because of one comment made by a non-board member who's just exercising his freedom of speech? Have I ever asked on here for suggestions from any and all? I think so, and recently. If you want to be a force in Texas EMS, join EMSAT and I promise to put you to work immediately, and you can have your choice of tasks. Working with the legislative committee, working on membership, working on the annual EMSAT conference, working on a newsletter, writing suggestions for us all to consider, working on gathering information about other successful state EMS organizations, gathering information about other states that have an EMS Commission and helping to formulate a framework for a proposal to the legislature for one, writing press releases to be faxed and emailed to newspapers and other media around the state, contacting vendors to secure " goodies " to give away at the Conference, sorting mailing lists according to FD, 3rd service, volunteer, or private provider, addressing correspondence, and anything else productive that you'd like to work on. Double dare you! GG EMSAT Vice-President In a message dated 3/30/2004 12:39:20 PM Central Standard Time, medic427@... writes: The comment from EMSAT member Steve , " Non-members have not earned the right to make suggestions " at least has made a decision for me not to join for sure. I have to put up with arrogant, self- centered people enough as it is. If EMSAT or any other organization is going to make it in Texas(elsewhere), they have to represent all and should take suggestions from all. Yes, paying members will make the organization stronger and yes, the paying members should be the only ones who vote on issues, but to say that " Non-members have not earned the right to make suggestions " , is not going to win points trying to increase the membership. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 30, 2004 Wes, EMSAT is a non-profit corporation organized and existing under the laws of the State of Texas. It's Articles of Incorporation and its By-laws are available on the website, www.emsatoftx.org for all to see. Like most organizations, the membership elects a Board of Directors, which is then the governing body of the organization. The Board invites all members to submit ideas and to attend all board meetings and comment on any proposal that comes before the board. This is not unlike the way cities, counties, and school boards govern. The voters elect a city council, or county commissioners, or school board members, and those bodies then make the decisions for the organization. We have, in the past, polled not only our members but EMS folks on this list for ideas about what we should be doing and what the interests of the EMS community are. That is where we learned that the community was interested in official license plates, an EMS commission, line of duty death benefits, and a number of other items that we have worked on. Soon we will be running polls on our website for members to express their feelings on. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to explain how EMSAT works. Best, GG In a message dated 3/30/2004 2:42:48 PM Central Standard Time, ExLngHrn@... writes: I read the JoinEMSAT.com website. It purports that EMSAT is " majority rule " organization. Does that mean that EMSAT submits all issues to its members? Or does the board of directors rule by majority? -Wes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 30, 2004 I was pretty sure that's how it worked, but I wanted to get the " official " version from a board member. Some people on the list were implying that EMSAT is run by the membership, and I wanted a slight clarification. -Wes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 30, 2004 Lonnie, look back through the posts cause you missed some. Gene Gandy AGAIN talked about this today in a post. It also has been posted several times over the last few weeks by other EMSAT board members. Maybe you aren't getting them all? I noticed my yahoo brings me in sometimes in the MIDDLE of conversations already going and I didn't get the first ones. However, this has been answered several times. Jane Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 30, 2004 Thanks to everyone who replied to my cry from the wilderness... RE: EMSAT Lonnie, look back through the posts cause you missed some. Gene Gandy AGAIN talked about this today in a post. It also has been posted several times over the last few weeks by other EMSAT board members. Maybe you aren't getting them all? I noticed my yahoo brings me in sometimes in the MIDDLE of conversations already going and I didn't get the first ones. However, this has been answered several times. Jane Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 30, 2004 You been around those tall pine tree jungles in East Texas for too long. You can't see the forest for the trees. LOL Jane Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
