Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 I'm learning so much here. I'm still spinning from all of it. But I'm so thankful for all of your input and help and suggestions. I hate that they make this so hard for us. Thank you for your support, -- Re: YIKES!! Blazing Krimson wrote:> She didn't seem too concerned, which is the really disappointing > part. I asked if she was going to do the T3 and T4 tests, she said > we'd discuss it the next time I see her, which is in a month. She > also is calling in a scrip for a larger dosage of levoxyl - she said > 75 mcg. I'm taking 25mcg now. Isn't that a big jump at one time? > She was ready to not even deal with it until my next appointment. > VERY disappointing.> > She's also got me taking 20mg of Lipitor for the cholesterol. > >lipitor when your TSH is 11.5 - run away from this DR!{Total cholesterol used to be the lab test for hypoT before the TSH came into vogue]-- Alisonhttp://www.alisonashwell.com/**new work uploaded**http://www.artwanted.com/alisonashwell __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 You are so completely right. I was just saying this very same thing to my dad the other day. As soon as a doctor sees that you are fat, then immediately everything that's wrong with you is because you are fat. It's disgusting, really. I've always been fat...I was a fat kid, a fat teen and a fat adult. I lost weight in high school between my junior and senior year, 70 pounds, but it all came back very quickly and brought lots of friends with it. It's saddening that we must endure the humiliation of not only being the last group of people against whom it is still "ok" to be nasty, mean-spirited and bigoted, but that on top of that, the people to whom we go for support treat us like second class citizens as well. ::placing soap box carefully back in the corner between the computers:: laughing. Gentle hugs, -- Re: YIKES!! oooo you're gonna get me started now... this BS with obesity being the cause of: (fill in blank) for a great many overweight folks, obesity isn't the cause of anything... obesity is the visual symptom of something else being wrong and the body screaming at the top of it's lungs to get your head out of your butt and find out what is wrong!!!! Please.. don't anyone take that as an insult. it's not meant to be. I may very well weigh double what many of you weigh. I'm huge, a combination of hypo weight gain and now, the addition of the lymph fluid that has been building in my tissues over the last year, or more.... Even as large as I am I've lost a lot already, you can tell that my checking out my before and after clothes. My point is that all these years I was ridiculed and insulted and threatened because I was an over eater, lazy, irresponsible, didn't care about my health.. you name it, it was said to me.... and all this time it's messed up hormones and damage from a treatment that I was forced into by a doc that decided I was 'too fat to be sick' and sent me home in thyroid storm. It was after I began self treating AND I learned what I had to do to help my broken metabolism that I started to lose weight. Overweight is NOT a badge of sloth and overindulgence for everyone. Yes, for some it is... but not for everyone and I think it absolutely SUCKS that I'm put down when it's my medical issues that put me in this position and not my negligence in personal health. *HUGE sigh* There.. I said it and it's out of my system. Topper () *sticking foot in mouth, hold it.. I'm typing, not talking.. putting socks on hands, so I can't type any more ---- right after I start the dictation program and put on my microphone..... hehehehe* On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Blazing Krimson writes: You go right on with your soap box! I love to hear the passion with which you all talk about these things. I'm getting there as I learn more and more. It's so funny - I think doctors love to be able to place the blame for all of your symptoms on something. If they hear you have anxiety - everything that's wrong with you is caused by that. Or if you're depressed, well, it must be that. They don't imagine that possibly someone who has anxiety (or whatever) could also have something PHYSICAL wrong with them as well! It's so discouraging. I'm gonna get a handle on this if it kills me in the process LOL Thank you, __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Thank you, . I can at least sweep the floors until I know what the heck I'm talking about -- Re: YIKES!! ... my opinion here.... You're TSH is way high.. you've just started on replacement hormone.. hold off on testing for a while, yes, you'll get some numbers but all they will really show is that you are in need of meds.... Remind me.. you just started on the 25 mcg this week, right? So it's a big jump to 75 so quickly... my thinking? You're TSH is pretty high so you obviously need replacement, but going up to quickly is hard on your body considering by the time you realize that you've taken too much it's past the point of no return (gosh that sounds ominous, it has to do with the delay time from increasing a dose and the time your body realizes it's full effect). You're good with paying attention to your body, right? You have 25 mcg tabs already... for most folks that REALLY need hormone and start out on 25 mcg they find that for the first week or two they feel pretty darn good, then start to slide back. What happens is that the small dose, at first, helps, but as their system realizes it's there it backs off on thyroid production and drops the available hormone back to where it was.. that's your clue that you need more... What I'm thinking is go the first 2 weeks on 25 mcg.. Then maybe go up to the 75.... even so, to go back in a month is too soon to get accurate labs, there won't have been enough time for the T4 to have reached it's peak (at either dose) in the cells. Since the labs are being paid for by you... request only the Frees and the antibodies. You'll want to see if the antibody levels are moving... and you'll want to see what your conversion rate is... you see that by comparing the Free T4 and where it falls in it's range against the T3 in it's range.. but you'll still not know how close the 75 mcg is to being your optimal dose. Some of you others.. what do you think about this? I'm always on the side of careful, to avoid going hyper from taking too much too fast... would 75 be too much to start with, having a TSH that high? Or should we wait for the antibody results to figure this out...? Topper () On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Blazing Krimson writes: Well, I'm a little overwhelmed and disappointed *sigh* I called the new doctor today to see if my labs were done. She said only part of them had come back. I asked for the numbers. The only numbers she had were the TSH and my Cholesterol. TSH - 11.50 UGH Cholesterol - 280 DOUBLE UGH Bad Cholesterol - 211 TRIPLE UGH She didn't seem too concerned, which is the really disappointing part. I asked if she was going to do the T3 and T4 tests, she said we'd discuss it the next time I see her, which is in a month. She also is calling in a scrip for a larger dosage of levoxyl - she said 75 mcg. I'm taking 25mcg now. Isn't that a big jump at one time? She was ready to not even deal with it until my next appointment. VERY disappointing. She's also got me taking 20mg of Lipitor for the cholesterol. Soooo...I'm going to have my blood work done myself through Health Check. It will probably end up being cheaper for me that way, anyway, as my health insurance only pays if it's a full moon in July and you're standing on your head with a dead mouse in your pocket at midnight. I know I need the T3 and T4 numbers...but do I need anything else? I'm probably going to have the General Health screening if I don't need anything more than T3 and T4. If I do, then I'll just get those, plus whatever else I need and go from there. Ughhhhh...my head is swimming. Thanks for listening, __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Thanks, Sammie! She did order a scrip for .075 levoxyl, but I don't want to jump up to that so quickly. I don't know if there's a medical issue with going that high that fast, but I'm extremely med-phobic, so for myself and my peace of mind, I have to go slowly. At the first sign of any additional anxiety symptoms, I know myself....I'll freak and stop taking it altogether. Welcome to my neuroses! hahahahaha Gentle hugs, -- Re: YIKES!! I'm utterly disgusted with this doctor. She's keepingyou fiercly HypoT.You have high cholesterol because you areHypoT!!!!!!!!!Duh.And UGH IS RIGHT!!!!!!You need to be on a much higher dose of T4 in myopinion, and you'd probably do better on Armour, whichwould no doubt help your cholesterol. I would refusethe Lipitor until she does the Free T4 and Free T3 ANDincreases your meds. If you can't get her tocooperate, I would order your meds online and bypassthis useless so-called doctor.Feel better!!!SAMMIE--- Blazing Krimson wrote:> FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-0000000000004.0;Well, I'm a> little overwhelmed and disappointed *sigh*> > I called the new doctor today to see if my labs were> done. She said only part of them had come back. I> asked for the numbers. The only numbers she had> were the TSH and my Cholesterol.> > TSH - 11.50 UGH> > Cholesterol - 280 DOUBLE UGH> > Bad Cholesterol - 211 TRIPLE UGH> > She didn't seem too concerned, which is the really> disappointing part. I asked if she was going to do> the T3 and T4 tests, she said we'd discuss it the> next time I see her, which is in a month. She also> is calling in a scrip for a larger dosage of levoxyl> - she said 75 mcg. I'm taking 25mcg now. Isn't> that a big jump at one time? She was ready to not> even deal with it until my next appointment. VERY> disappointing.> > She's also got me taking 20mg of Lipitor for the> cholesterol. > > Soooo...I'm going to have my blood work done myself> through Health Check. It will probably end up being> cheaper for me that way, anyway, as my health> insurance only pays if it's a full moon in July and> you're standing on your head with a dead mouse in> your pocket at midnight.> > I know I need the T3 and T4 numbers...but do I need> anything else? I'm probably going to have the> General Health screening if I don't need anything> more than T3 and T4. If I do, then I'll just get> those, plus whatever else I need and go from there.> > Ughhhhh...my head is swimming.> > Thanks for listening,> > > > > __________________________________________________> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 This sounds like a wonderful plan. I can sweep the floors there, too! Hahahahahaa -- Re: Re: YIKES!! With some of them, the only training they get is to test TSH and prescribe synthetic, they don't know any different.. it's not their fault.. for me the fault comes when you tell the doc you feel like crap.. what's wrong.. and they blow you off... and worse when you have an idea what is wrong and ask to explore it and are ignored or told to shut up.... As for specialty clinic... and I have a plan.. it only lacks funding.... it will specialize in PROPER diagnoses and treatment and will also cover adrenal issues and now, since this has hit several of us.. .lipoedema and lymphedema... One day it will be.. hopefully in our lifetimes.... Topper () On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Blazing Krimson writes: It really is outrageous. How do they justify this complete lack of awareness? I guess they don't, which is even more outrageous. Is there such a thing as a doctor who specializes in thyroid dysfunction? There SHOULD be! I'm so very very sorry for all the misdiagnoses that have gone on here, mine included. I am also very very grateful to have found this group, at last, and can't wait until I have more of a handle on what's going on with my own stuff so I can jump in and help as you all are helping me. Gentle hugs, __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Blazing Krimson wrote: > You are so completely right. I was just saying this very same thing > to my dad the other day. As soon as a doctor sees that you are fat, > then immediately everything that's wrong with you is because you are > fat. I For some Drs a large woman could have her leg hanging off and all they would see was 'fat' -- Alison http://www.alisonashwell.com/ **new work uploaded** http://www.artwanted.com/alisonashwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Thankyou!!!! I d a r n near fell off my chair when I read the last line cuz that laugh hit me so hard and fast!!!! .... ain't it just a joy to laugh out loud again!!!???!!! Topper () *having a really good Friday night... and it's really Friday today!! hehehe* On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Blazing Krimson writes: You are so completely right. I was just saying this very same thing to my dad the other day. As soon as a doctor sees that you are fat, then immediately everything that's wrong with you is because you are fat. It's disgusting, really. I've always been fat...I was a fat kid, a fat teen and a fat adult. I lost weight in high school between my junior and senior year, 70 pounds, but it all came back very quickly and brought lots of friends with it. It's saddening that we must endure the humiliation of not only being the last group of people against whom it is still "ok" to be nasty, mean-spirited and bigoted, but that on top of that, the people to whom we go for support treat us like second class citizens as well. ::placing soap box carefully back in the corner between the computers:: laughing. Gentle hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 You are, my pard.... you've finally kicked that bug you've fought all winter, me thinks... Good to have you back. I was watching Jane y today, did anyone catch it? They mentioned a little girl that did fund raisers and coordinated fund raisers to buy bullet proof vests for police K-9 dogs..... Could we do that to raise funds for the clinic???? Topper () On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:17:14 -0500 "Feisty\(ThyroFeisty\)" writes: Not hopefully..... It will Be!!!!!!!! Egads, I am being wordy today! Feisty is Back!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 We will put all to work at ThyroPhoenix Clinic!... Think I will take the job of being official taster of Topper's goodies hugs Feisty Re: Re: YIKES!! With some of them, the only training they get is to test TSH and prescribe synthetic, they don't know any different.. it's not their fault.. for me the fault comes when you tell the doc you feel like crap.. what's wrong.. and they blow you off... and worse when you have an idea what is wrong and ask to explore it and are ignored or told to shut up.... As for specialty clinic... and I have a plan.. it only lacks funding.... it will specialize in PROPER diagnoses and treatment and will also cover adrenal issues and now, since this has hit several of us.. .lipoedema and lymphedema... One day it will be.. hopefully in our lifetimes.... Topper () On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Blazing Krimson writes: It really is outrageous. How do they justify this complete lack of awareness? I guess they don't, which is even more outrageous. Is there such a thing as a doctor who specializes in thyroid dysfunction? There SHOULD be! I'm so very very sorry for all the misdiagnoses that have gone on here, mine included. I am also very very grateful to have found this group, at last, and can't wait until I have more of a handle on what's going on with my own stuff so I can jump in and help as you all are helping me. Gentle hugs, __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Here's the broom, have at it!!! hehehehehe Hey, do you do windows? We've got a bunch of windows over at the TTSG Cafe! Topper () http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/TTSG_Cafe/our silly little members only OT group... a place for us to be silly and not so serious. On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Blazing Krimson writes: Thank you, . I can at least sweep the floors until I know what the heck I'm talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 It really does feel good to laugh out loud like that. I've always said that laughter can get you through anything, and I believe that. -- Re: YIKES!! Thankyou!!!! I d a r n near fell off my chair when I read the last line cuz that laugh hit me so hard and fast!!!! .... ain't it just a joy to laugh out loud again!!!???!!! Topper () *having a really good Friday night... and it's really Friday today!! hehehe* On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Blazing Krimson writes: You are so completely right. I was just saying this very same thing to my dad the other day. As soon as a doctor sees that you are fat, then immediately everything that's wrong with you is because you are fat. It's disgusting, really. I've always been fat...I was a fat kid, a fat teen and a fat adult. I lost weight in high school between my junior and senior year, 70 pounds, but it all came back very quickly and brought lots of friends with it. It's saddening that we must endure the humiliation of not only being the last group of people against whom it is still "ok" to be nasty, mean-spirited and bigoted, but that on top of that, the people to whom we go for support treat us like second class citizens as well. ::placing soap box carefully back in the corner between the computers:: laughing. Gentle hugs, __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 I'll do anything but iron or dust. I have clothes I haven't worn since 1983 because they need ironing HAHAHAHA -- Re: YIKES!! Here's the broom, have at it!!! hehehehehe Hey, do you do windows? We've got a bunch of windows over at the TTSG Cafe! Topper () http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/TTSG_Cafe/our silly little members only OT group... a place for us to be silly and not so serious. On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Blazing Krimson writes: Thank you, . I can at least sweep the floors until I know what the heck I'm talking about __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 I just applied for membership. Whose lil kitties are those on the front page? SOOOOOO cute!!! , who aspires one day to be "that crazy cat lady" -- Re: YIKES!! Here's the broom, have at it!!! hehehehehe Hey, do you do windows? We've got a bunch of windows over at the TTSG Cafe! Topper () http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/TTSG_Cafe/our silly little members only OT group... a place for us to be silly and not so serious. On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Blazing Krimson writes: Thank you, . I can at least sweep the floors until I know what the heck I'm talking about __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Hi , Have you investigated grants and low cost loans or if there is someone that would be interested in bankrolling the clinic? Just a thought I'd throw that out there as here in Canada there are somethings that you can get to start a business and maybe you have something similar. Dawm topper2@... wrote: With some of them, the only training they get is to test TSH and prescribe synthetic, they don't know any different.. it's not their fault.. for me the fault comes when you tell the doc you feel like crap.. what's wrong.. and they blow you off... and worse when you have an idea what is wrong and ask to explore it and are ignored or told to shut up.... As for specialty clinic... and I have a plan.. it only lacks funding.... it will specialize in PROPER diagnoses and treatment and will also cover adrenal issues and now, since this has hit several of us.. .lipoedema and lymphedema... One day it will be.. hopefully in our lifetimes.... Topper () On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Blazing Krimson writes: It really is outrageous. How do they justify this complete lack of awareness? I guess they don't, which is even more outrageous. Is there such a thing as a doctor who specializes in thyroid dysfunction? There SHOULD be! I'm so very very sorry for all the misdiagnoses that have gone on here, mine included. I am also very very grateful to have found this group, at last, and can't wait until I have more of a handle on what's going on with my own stuff so I can jump in and help as you all are helping me. Gentle hugs, __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Hi , Have you investigated grants and low cost loans or if there is someone that would be interested in bankrolling the clinic? Just a thought I'd throw that out there as here in Canada there are somethings that you can get to start a business and maybe you have something similar. Dawm topper2@... wrote: With some of them, the only training they get is to test TSH and prescribe synthetic, they don't know any different.. it's not their fault.. for me the fault comes when you tell the doc you feel like crap.. what's wrong.. and they blow you off... and worse when you have an idea what is wrong and ask to explore it and are ignored or told to shut up.... As for specialty clinic... and I have a plan.. it only lacks funding.... it will specialize in PROPER diagnoses and treatment and will also cover adrenal issues and now, since this has hit several of us.. .lipoedema and lymphedema... One day it will be.. hopefully in our lifetimes.... Topper () On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Blazing Krimson writes: It really is outrageous. How do they justify this complete lack of awareness? I guess they don't, which is even more outrageous. Is there such a thing as a doctor who specializes in thyroid dysfunction? There SHOULD be! I'm so very very sorry for all the misdiagnoses that have gone on here, mine included. I am also very very grateful to have found this group, at last, and can't wait until I have more of a handle on what's going on with my own stuff so I can jump in and help as you all are helping me. Gentle hugs, __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 These are good thoughts. I used to have a list of agencies etc. that issue grants and such for every state. If you'd like to share with me which state you're in and/or where you want the clinic opened, I'd be happy to dig through my stuff to see if I still have them. This is really a project worth getting off the ground. -- Re: Re: YIKES!! Hi , Have you investigated grants and low cost loans or if there is someone that would be interested in bankrolling the clinic? Just a thought I'd throw that out there as here in Canada there are somethings that you can get to start a business and maybe you have something similar. Dawm topper2@... wrote: With some of them, the only training they get is to test TSH and prescribe synthetic, they don't know any different.. it's not their fault.. for me the fault comes when you tell the doc you feel like crap.. what's wrong.. and they blow you off... and worse when you have an idea what is wrong and ask to explore it and are ignored or told to shut up.... As for specialty clinic... and I have a plan.. it only lacks funding.... it will specialize in PROPER diagnoses and treatment and will also cover adrenal issues and now, since this has hit several of us.. .lipoedema and lymphedema... One day it will be.. hopefully in our lifetimes.... Topper () On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Blazing Krimson writes: It really is outrageous. How do they justify this complete lack of awareness? I guess they don't, which is even more outrageous. Is there such a thing as a doctor who specializes in thyroid dysfunction? There SHOULD be! I'm so very very sorry for all the misdiagnoses that have gone on here, mine included. I am also very very grateful to have found this group, at last, and can't wait until I have more of a handle on what's going on with my own stuff so I can jump in and help as you all are helping me. Gentle hugs, __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Can I just step in here and point out that those of us who are too THIN get the same stinkin thing. I get so sick to DEATH of having people tell me I wouldn't hurt so much if I'd GAIN SOME WEIGHT. "You'd feel better if you gained some weight." "You wouldn't be so tired if you gained some weight" "Your joints wouldn't hurt so much if you put some meat on your bones" (Can you explain to me where KNEE pain is going to go away with ADDED weight for them to carry around?) I know one girl who went to the doctor (she's quite over weight) because of knee pain, and the doctor told her that her knees wouldn't hurt so much if she wasn't so FAT. (The word he used, I kid you not.) He didn't really know what to tell her when she told him of her friend (me) who barely weighed over 100 pounds and had chronic knee pain worse than hers - LoL. I'll tell you what would likely make us ALL feel better . . . If people MINDED THEIR OWN DAMN BUSINESS ABOUT OUR WEIGHT!!!!!!!! Btw - I've gained a few pounds over the past few weeks and have managed to KEEP IT ON. I'm pretty excited about that crap!! Ami Re: YIKES!! oooo you're gonna get me started now... this BS with obesity being the cause of: (fill in blank) for a great many overweight folks, obesity isn't the cause of anything... obesity is the visual symptom of something else being wrong and the body screaming at the top of it's lungs to get your head out of your butt and find out what is wrong!!!! Please.. don't anyone take that as an insult. it's not meant to be. I may very well weigh double what many of you weigh. I'm huge, a combination of hypo weight gain and now, the addition of the lymph fluid that has been building in my tissues over the last year, or more.... Even as large as I am I've lost a lot already, you can tell that my checking out my before and after clothes. My point is that all these years I was ridiculed and insulted and threatened because I was an over eater, lazy, irresponsible, didn't care about my health.. you name it, it was said to me.... and all this time it's messed up hormones and damage from a treatment that I was forced into by a doc that decided I was 'too fat to be sick' and sent me home in thyroid storm. It was after I began self treating AND I learned what I had to do to help my broken metabolism that I started to lose weight. Overweight is NOT a badge of sloth and overindulgence for everyone. Yes, for some it is... but not for everyone and I think it absolutely SUCKS that I'm put down when it's my medical issues that put me in this position and not my negligence in personal health. *HUGE sigh* There.. I said it and it's out of my system. Topper () *sticking foot in mouth, hold it.. I'm typing, not talking.. putting socks on hands, so I can't type any more ---- right after I start the dictation program and put on my microphone..... hehehehe* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 ((((Ami))))) You Go!!!!! hugs Re: YIKES!! oooo you're gonna get me started now... this BS with obesity being the cause of: (fill in blank) for a great many overweight folks, obesity isn't the cause of anything... obesity is the visual symptom of something else being wrong and the body screaming at the top of it's lungs to get your head out of your butt and find out what is wrong!!!! Please.. don't anyone take that as an insult. it's not meant to be. I may very well weigh double what many of you weigh. I'm huge, a combination of hypo weight gain and now, the addition of the lymph fluid that has been building in my tissues over the last year, or more.... Even as large as I am I've lost a lot already, you can tell that my checking out my before and after clothes. My point is that all these years I was ridiculed and insulted and threatened because I was an over eater, lazy, irresponsible, didn't care about my health.. you name it, it was said to me.... and all this time it's messed up hormones and damage from a treatment that I was forced into by a doc that decided I was 'too fat to be sick' and sent me home in thyroid storm. It was after I began self treating AND I learned what I had to do to help my broken metabolism that I started to lose weight. Overweight is NOT a badge of sloth and overindulgence for everyone. Yes, for some it is... but not for everyone and I think it absolutely SUCKS that I'm put down when it's my medical issues that put me in this position and not my negligence in personal health. *HUGE sigh* There.. I said it and it's out of my system. Topper () *sticking foot in mouth, hold it.. I'm typing, not talking.. putting socks on hands, so I can't type any more ---- right after I start the dictation program and put on my microphone..... hehehehe* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 ((((Ami))))) You Go!!!!! hugs Re: YIKES!! oooo you're gonna get me started now... this BS with obesity being the cause of: (fill in blank) for a great many overweight folks, obesity isn't the cause of anything... obesity is the visual symptom of something else being wrong and the body screaming at the top of it's lungs to get your head out of your butt and find out what is wrong!!!! Please.. don't anyone take that as an insult. it's not meant to be. I may very well weigh double what many of you weigh. I'm huge, a combination of hypo weight gain and now, the addition of the lymph fluid that has been building in my tissues over the last year, or more.... Even as large as I am I've lost a lot already, you can tell that my checking out my before and after clothes. My point is that all these years I was ridiculed and insulted and threatened because I was an over eater, lazy, irresponsible, didn't care about my health.. you name it, it was said to me.... and all this time it's messed up hormones and damage from a treatment that I was forced into by a doc that decided I was 'too fat to be sick' and sent me home in thyroid storm. It was after I began self treating AND I learned what I had to do to help my broken metabolism that I started to lose weight. Overweight is NOT a badge of sloth and overindulgence for everyone. Yes, for some it is... but not for everyone and I think it absolutely SUCKS that I'm put down when it's my medical issues that put me in this position and not my negligence in personal health. *HUGE sigh* There.. I said it and it's out of my system. Topper () *sticking foot in mouth, hold it.. I'm typing, not talking.. putting socks on hands, so I can't type any more ---- right after I start the dictation program and put on my microphone..... hehehehe* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 --- Blazing Krimson wrote: > You are so > completely right. I was just saying this very same > thing to my dad the other day. As soon as a doctor > sees that you are fat, then immediately everything > that's wrong with you is because you are fat. It's > disgusting, really. I've always been fat...I was a > fat kid, a fat teen and a fat adult. I lost weight > in high school between my junior and senior year, 70 > pounds, but it all came back very quickly and > brought lots of friends with it. It's saddening > that we must endure the humiliation of not only > being the last group of people against whom it is > still " ok " to be nasty, mean-spirited and bigoted, > but that on top of that, the people to whom we go > for support treat us like second class citizens as > well. > > ::placing soap box carefully back in the corner > between the computers:: laughing. > > Gentle hugs, > Yep, us fat folks are the last, " safe " prejudice/discrimation. I was getting the " lecture " the other night at a restaurant that I frequent from one of the servers who is a " personal trainer " about how obesity causes high blood pressure, diabetes, high cholesterol, etc. I felt sorry for her that she was taught all the hype and hadn't researched it for herself. Even the CDC admits that they made a mistake and had overestimated the actual number of obesity deaths. I'm fat and I've been fat all my life, but I do not have high blood pressure, high cholesterol (triglycerides is another matter, and should come down with proper thyroid treatment), diabetes or heart disease. Now this is my personal opinion, so take it as such, but obesity deaths are usually NOT an obesity problem. It's like /Topper was saying about the underlying cause of WHY we are fat. And yes, I qualify to use the word fat because I top the scales at approximately 415 lbs currently. I've been as high as 525 in the past. Trust me, I KNOW what fat is. Most of us who are fat, especially the super sized like me, don't like to go to the doctor because all most of the doctors will do is throw the currently recommended diet sheet at you and tell you to lose weight. If the average diet worked, most of us fatties wouldn't be fatties. Doctors must work harder to treat us as individuals and not numbers on a socially acceptable scale. It's not right and it's certainly not fair or ethical, but it's socially acceptable to berate us. I am stared at in restaurants a lot of the time. I've learned not to see it, but it burns my Mom's butt big time. Ok, the soapbox is going back in the corner behind the computers. ) Kathy >^,,^< KitzCat146@... http://www.chaytongroup.com/modernbill/order/index.php?aid=ka081104 http://www.heartwarmers4u.com/members/?kitzcat kitzcat2001 on Yahoo Messenger kitzcat on MSN Messenger In a cat's eyes, all things belong to cats. - English Proverb __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 I went for years without so much as smiling... and even now that my guffaws are back I'm still shocked/surprised/pleased when they escape from me!!! ehehehehehe Topper () On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Blazing Krimson writes: It really does feel good to laugh out loud like that. I've always said that laughter can get you through anything, and I believe that. -- Re: YIKES!! Thankyou!!!! I d a r n near fell off my chair when I read the last line cuz that laugh hit me so hard and fast!!!! .... ain't it just a joy to laugh out loud again!!!???!!! Topper () *having a really good Friday night... and it's really Friday today!! hehehe* On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Blazing Krimson writes: You are so completely right. I was just saying this very same thing to my dad the other day. As soon as a doctor sees that you are fat, then immediately everything that's wrong with you is because you are fat. It's disgusting, really. I've always been fat...I was a fat kid, a fat teen and a fat adult. I lost weight in high school between my junior and senior year, 70 pounds, but it all came back very quickly and brought lots of friends with it. It's saddening that we must endure the humiliation of not only being the last group of people against whom it is still "ok" to be nasty, mean-spirited and bigoted, but that on top of that, the people to whom we go for support treat us like second class citizens as well. ::placing soap box carefully back in the corner between the computers:: laughing. Gentle hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 Not a problem.. I only have clothes that don't need ironing. Dust, hmmmmmm we'll find somebody that likes dusting.... .... so.... no problems!!! ehehehehehe Topper () On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Blazing Krimson writes: I'll do anything but iron or dust. I have clothes I haven't worn since 1983 because they need ironing HAHAHAHA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 We haven't decided on a state, for sure yet... is a southern gal, Texas, I'm a northern gal, Minnesota... I can't tolerate heat. She can't tolerate cold..... so we still have to come up with a compromise state! heheheh Topper () On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Blazing Krimson writes: These are good thoughts. I used to have a list of agencies etc. that issue grants and such for every state. If you'd like to share with me which state you're in and/or where you want the clinic opened, I'd be happy to dig through my stuff to see if I still have them. This is really a project worth getting off the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 Good for you, Ami! Yipppeee! Re: YIKES!! oooo you're gonna get me started now... this BS with obesity being the cause of: (fill in blank) for a great many overweight folks, obesity isn't the cause of anything... obesity is the visual symptom of something else being wrong and the body screaming at the top of it's lungs to get your head out of your butt and find out what is wrong!!!! Please.. don't anyone take that as an insult. it's not meant to be. I may very well weigh double what many of you weigh. I'm huge, a combination of hypo weight gain and now, the addition of the lymph fluid that has been building in my tissues over the last year, or more.... Even as large as I am I've lost a lot already, you can tell that my checking out my before and after clothes. My point is that all these years I was ridiculed and insulted and threatened because I was an over eater, lazy, irresponsible, didn't care about my health.. you name it, it was said to me.... and all this time it's messed up hormones and damage from a treatment that I was forced into by a doc that decided I was 'too fat to be sick' and sent me home in thyroid storm. It was after I began self treating AND I learned what I had to do to help my broken metabolism that I started to lose weight. Overweight is NOT a badge of sloth and overindulgence for everyone. Yes, for some it is... but not for everyone and I think it absolutely SUCKS that I'm put down when it's my medical issues that put me in this position and not my negligence in personal health. *HUGE sigh* There.. I said it and it's out of my system. Topper () *sticking foot in mouth, hold it.. I'm typing, not talking.. putting socks on hands, so I can't type any more ---- right after I start the dictation program and put on my microphone..... hehehehe* __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 Woohoo that soapbox is getting a workout! I love it. People need to learn to mind their own damn business and nevermind what other folks are doing. -- Re: YIKES!! --- Blazing Krimson wrote:> You are so> completely right. I was just saying this very same> thing to my dad the other day. As soon as a doctor> sees that you are fat, then immediately everything> that's wrong with you is because you are fat. It's> disgusting, really. I've always been fat...I was a> fat kid, a fat teen and a fat adult. I lost weight> in high school between my junior and senior year, 70> pounds, but it all came back very quickly and> brought lots of friends with it. It's saddening> that we must endure the humiliation of not only> being the last group of people against whom it is> still "ok" to be nasty, mean-spirited and bigoted,> but that on top of that, the people to whom we go > for support treat us like second class citizens as> well. > > ::placing soap box carefully back in the corner> between the computers:: laughing.> > Gentle hugs,> Yep, us fat folks are the last, "safe"prejudice/discrimation. I was getting the "lecture"the other night at a restaurant that I frequent fromone of the servers who is a "personal trainer" abouthow obesity causes high blood pressure, diabetes, highcholesterol, etc. I felt sorry for her that she wastaught all the hype and hadn't researched it forherself. Even the CDC admits that they made a mistakeand had overestimated the actual number of obesitydeaths. I'm fat and I've been fat all my life, but Ido not have high blood pressure, high cholesterol(triglycerides is another matter, and should come downwith proper thyroid treatment), diabetes or heartdisease. Now this is my personal opinion, so take itas such, but obesity deaths are usually NOT an obesityproblem. It's like /Topper was saying about theunderlying cause of WHY we are fat. And yes, Iqualify to use the word fat because I top the scalesat approximately 415 lbs currently. I've been as highas 525 in the past. Trust me, I KNOW what fat is. Most of us who are fat, especially the super sizedlike me, don't like to go to the doctor because allmost of the doctors will do is throw the currentlyrecommended diet sheet at you and tell you to loseweight. If the average diet worked, most of usfatties wouldn't be fatties. Doctors must work harderto treat us as individuals and not numbers on asocially acceptable scale. It's not right and it'scertainly not fair or ethical, but it's sociallyacceptable to berate us. I am stared at inrestaurants a lot of the time. I've learned not tosee it, but it burns my Mom's butt big time.Ok, the soapbox is going back in the corner behind thecomputers. )Kathy >^,,^<KitzCat146@...http://www.chaytongroup.com/modernbill/order/index.php?aid=ka081104http://www.heartwarmers4u.com/members/?kitzcatkitzcat2001 on Yahoo Messengerkitzcat on MSN MessengerIn a cat's eyes, all things belong to cats. - English Proverb__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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