Re: Sorry, could you explain symptoms of die off again? Son worse

[Guest guest]

,

Sounds like its entirely possible that this is die off. Symptoms can

include alot of what you are describing. Every child is different of

course so its hard for us to tell. In the past has your son been OK

with nuts? When we first started we mostly had crabby, negative

behavior. I read on the boards that activated charcoal can help with

die off. For us it was night and day different! you can buy it at a

local HFS or Kirkman sells it as well. We put one in his juice in

the AM and he never complained about the taste. Good luck to you and

try and hang on. In our case it has been soooooooooo worth it.

mom to Baxter ASD gfcf 2 yrs

SCD 10 weeks

[Guest guest]

> Hi-

> We are now 5 days SCD, >

> Not only did he have a very loose stool the day before yesterday,

> (didn't go yesterday) but his behavior has worsened. He is having

> very frequent tantrums (daily).....one reason why I am on the

> computer so early. > Could this be die off? How long should I have

to survive through this

> before die off starts to wear off? I/we are really struggling.

First

> it's implementing a challenging (but very healthy) diet and now I

> have tantrums on top of it. I just want my baby back. Sorry to

> vent...Please just tell me how long this usually lasts so I see

the

> light at the end of this very long tunnel I am in. (mom to

> PDD-NOS, SCD 5 days)

Hi ,

You did a nice job of describing die-off - that's exactly it - worse

bms and worse behavior. The bad bugs are starving inside his tiny

body and they are not happy about it. As they die, they release

toxins that make his symptoms worse. The good news is, they are

going! Some people actually relish these symptoms - may sound

strange, but when they know that something good is coming - they can

look at the bad in a different way. Are you seeing ANY sort of

improvement as well?

Your baby is coming back! Meanwhile, how about some nice epsom salt

baths and some activated charcoal? Think of him as having a cold or

something and give him lots of TLC. He feels icky! I've been through

it myself, with and with myself. You and are going to

make it! Let us know how things go today. I can't give you a

timeline on the die-off, but most people see it subside in a few

days.

Take care!

(SCD since Sept.'03)

Son - , 5yo ASD SCD one year and one month

[Guest guest]

> Hi-

> We are now 5 days SCD, >

> Not only did he have a very loose stool the day before yesterday,

> (didn't go yesterday) but his behavior has worsened. He is having

> very frequent tantrums (daily).....one reason why I am on the

> computer so early. > Could this be die off? How long should I have

to survive through this

> before die off starts to wear off? I/we are really struggling.

First

> it's implementing a challenging (but very healthy) diet and now I

> have tantrums on top of it. I just want my baby back. Sorry to

> vent...Please just tell me how long this usually lasts so I see

the

> light at the end of this very long tunnel I am in. (mom to

> PDD-NOS, SCD 5 days)

Hi ,

You did a nice job of describing die-off - that's exactly it - worse

bms and worse behavior. The bad bugs are starving inside his tiny

body and they are not happy about it. As they die, they release

toxins that make his symptoms worse. The good news is, they are

going! Some people actually relish these symptoms - may sound

strange, but when they know that something good is coming - they can

look at the bad in a different way. Are you seeing ANY sort of

improvement as well?

Your baby is coming back! Meanwhile, how about some nice epsom salt

baths and some activated charcoal? Think of him as having a cold or

something and give him lots of TLC. He feels icky! I've been through

it myself, with and with myself. You and are going to

make it! Let us know how things go today. I can't give you a

timeline on the die-off, but most people see it subside in a few

days.

Take care!

(SCD since Sept.'03)

Son - , 5yo ASD SCD one year and one month

[Guest guest]

> Hi-

> We are now 5 days SCD, >

> Not only did he have a very loose stool the day before yesterday,

> (didn't go yesterday) but his behavior has worsened. He is having

> very frequent tantrums (daily).....one reason why I am on the

> computer so early. > Could this be die off? How long should I have

to survive through this

> before die off starts to wear off? I/we are really struggling.

First

> it's implementing a challenging (but very healthy) diet and now I

> have tantrums on top of it. I just want my baby back. Sorry to

> vent...Please just tell me how long this usually lasts so I see

the

> light at the end of this very long tunnel I am in. (mom to

> PDD-NOS, SCD 5 days)

Hi ,

You did a nice job of describing die-off - that's exactly it - worse

bms and worse behavior. The bad bugs are starving inside his tiny

body and they are not happy about it. As they die, they release

toxins that make his symptoms worse. The good news is, they are

going! Some people actually relish these symptoms - may sound

strange, but when they know that something good is coming - they can

look at the bad in a different way. Are you seeing ANY sort of

improvement as well?

Your baby is coming back! Meanwhile, how about some nice epsom salt

baths and some activated charcoal? Think of him as having a cold or

something and give him lots of TLC. He feels icky! I've been through

it myself, with and with myself. You and are going to

make it! Let us know how things go today. I can't give you a

timeline on the die-off, but most people see it subside in a few

days.

Take care!

(SCD since Sept.'03)

Son - , 5yo ASD SCD one year and one month

[Guest guest]

> > Hi-

> > We are now 5 days SCD, >

> > Not only did he have a very loose stool the day before yesterday,

> > (didn't go yesterday) but his behavior has worsened. He is having

> > very frequent tantrums (daily).....one reason why I am on the

> > computer so early. > Could this be die off? How long should I

have

> to survive through this

> > before die off starts to wear off? I/we are really struggling.

> First

> > it's implementing a challenging (but very healthy) diet and now I

> > have tantrums on top of it. I just want my baby back. Sorry to

> > vent...Please just tell me how long this usually lasts so I see

> the

> > light at the end of this very long tunnel I am in. (mom to

> > PDD-NOS, SCD 5 days)

>

> Hi ,

> You did a nice job of describing die-off - that's exactly it -

worse

> bms and worse behavior. The bad bugs are starving inside his tiny

> body and they are not happy about it. As they die, they release

> toxins that make his symptoms worse. The good news is, they are

> going! Some people actually relish these symptoms - may sound

> strange, but when they know that something good is coming - they

can

> look at the bad in a different way. Are you seeing ANY sort of

> improvement as well?

>

> Your baby is coming back! Meanwhile, how about some nice epsom salt

> baths and some activated charcoal? Think of him as having a cold or

> something and give him lots of TLC. He feels icky! I've been

through

> it myself, with and with myself. You and are going to

> make it! Let us know how things go today. I can't give you a

> timeline on the die-off, but most people see it subside in a few

> days.

>

> Take care!

> (SCD since Sept.'03)

> Son - , 5yo ASD SCD one year and one month

Thank you soooo much for your support and ideas. I did give an

epsom salt bath this evening, but was not aware of the activated

charcoal. I will purchase it right away! As far as the rest of the

day, was TERRIBLE! MAJOR tantrum in public, mean to his

friends and even made a small bm in his pants!(has been trained for a

year and a half now!!!) He is even hitting himself and screaming ouch

that hurts! Sigh....I really do hope this ends fast. We see our DAN

doctor tomorrow and I will discuss this with him. Life is not easy

right now. Constant tantrums.....BAD GUYS GO AWAY!!! Thank you,

(mom to SCD days, gf/cf almost 2 years, PDD-NOS)