foot baths

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Foot baths are another item which I was initially skeptical about, but which

several people have reported working well. In Sue's case it worked too well

- she had baths with Epsom salts (magnesium sulphate) to try to get

inorganic sulphate into her system (a deficiency specific to her). She got

a bad reaction - too much was absorbed and it released too many built-up

nasties from her system! So it seems that the skin is more permeable than I

thought, and it should be possible to remove toxins through it.

Ian

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From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Evie

Also, I think it was who mentioned the foot bath--this is the

water I am talking about, tho I am drinking it. If I get the water machine,

I am going to try it in my regular foot bath. I know you can get the foot

bath that makes its own water, but it is pricey (tho the drinking water

machine is even more, it just has more uses). I think getting a drinking

water machine and then using it in the foot bath would be the way I want to

go (since I want to drink it anyway). But I mention this foot bath because

I have heard great things about it. Not re ES, but re removing toxins.

I have an ongoing lymphatic congestion problem that I am working on (from

lifelong problems with gluten wastes, other food intolerance wastes, gut

dysbiosis wastes and toxins, and hormonal dumping). That is the reason I am

interested in the water (and also it has an influence on lowering serotonin

concentrations, which I apparently have too much of in parts of my body, tho

possibly not enough of in my brain). Of course, I am experimenting on

myself and will have to proceed cautiously.

My best to Sue.

Happy holidays,

Diane

Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:

Hi Diane/Mia/Evie,

Sue gave up the water tubes because she suffered an immediate short-term

reaction to them. This is probably specific to her. If the water is

helping you, then I suggest you continue with it. Different people seem to

differ hugely in their reactions to lots of these things.

As a matter of interest, Sue has had 3 goes at methods which used " inputting

electrical frequencies " in the broadest sense, and had completely different

reactions to each. At the time she was suffering both from the ES tinnitus

and severe depressive " black fogs " , usually MCS-induced.

1. Bioenergetics - a machine called Raytheon I think. On the first

visit it made the tinnitus a bit worse but lifted the black fogs completely

for 6 weeks - a completely unexpected result to us and the operator! On the

second visit it didn't help the black fogs and worsened the tinnitus

further.

2. Pendants worn round the neck. Sue felt better for about 2 hours but

then progressively felt worse. Within a few hours they worsened her

tinnitus a lot. She tried using them in short bursts at times after that,

but the losses seemed greater than the gains.

3. Cyril 's water tubes imprinted with frequencies measured from a

water sample Sue had supplied. The tinnitus was unaffected but it gave her

a very bad black fog lasting for 48 hours! After that she was

understandably reluctant to try them again.

It was suggested that Sue may be particularly sensitive or weakened, and

that in her case, anything which " adds in extra frequencies " , even " good "

ones to try to counteract the " bad " ones, may be more than she can take. I

emphasise that other people could react completely differently. People have

said that they have been helped by each of the three methods above.

Treatments for ES definitely do not seem to be " one size fits all " !

In the intervening months Sue has got to the points where the depressive

black fogs are now rare and occasional. Just as well, because the worst of

them made her feel suicidal - and she could tell that this was a chemical

effect, not a psychological one. We believe the single biggest factor in

her improvement has been intravenous glutathione drips, to restore some of

her liver detox functions to a better level. But it does not seem to have

helped the tinnitus (yet), and we still have a long way to go.

Ian

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> Foot baths are another item which I was initially skeptical about, but

> which several people have reported working well.

A couple of years ago, I tried a few of these ionic foot baths. While

the water did discolor, I did not really notice any health benefits

from it. Perhaps if I had done this repeatedly there may have been

some longterm benefits, but I did not pursue this because I did not

perceive any initial benefit, and would have to travel (and pay) for

each use.

Marc

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* Foot baths are another item which I was initially skeptical about,

but

> which several people have reported working well.

A couple of years ago, I tried a few of these ionic foot baths. While

the water did discolor, I did not really notice any health benefits

from it. Perhaps if I had done this repeatedly there may have been

some longterm benefits, but I did not pursue this because I did not

perceive any initial benefit, and would have to travel (and pay) for

each use.

Marc

* Yes, and some skeptics have posted negative results/reviews about the

commercially sold, electrical gizmo type. However we had heard of positive

results from people who'd used bentonite (very finely divided clay mineral)

to draw toxins out through the skin. As far as I recall, it was just a

plain static bath - no special (expensive!) equipment needed.

Ian

[Guest guest]

> Yes, and some skeptics have posted negative results/reviews about the

> commercially sold, electrical gizmo type. However we had heard of

> positive results from people who'd used bentonite (very finely divided clay

> mineral) to draw toxins out through the skin. As far as I recall, it was just

a

> plain static bath - no special (expensive!) equipment needed.

Ahh, I was using one of " gizmo " types.

My experiences with bentonite on the skin have always been positive.

I remember even using this as a teenager for acne.

My experience with bentonite taken internally has been mixed, depending

on the type of bentonite used.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi, Ian,

I'm a little confused. Wasn't it good that the bad bugs/whatever were

released from Sue's system? Or are you just saying that she got sicker because

too much was released at one time? And this was all due to using Epsom Salts in

a foot bath? Just wondered if I understood.

I take almost daily whole body baths in Epsom salts. Maybe I am absorbing too

much of the stuff! I didn't know that the magnesium absorbed into your body

from a bath. I thought it just unclogged the pores so that toxins could be

released.

Happy holidays,

Diane

Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:

Foot baths are another item which I was initially skeptical about, but which

several people have reported working well. In Sue's case it worked too well

- she had baths with Epsom salts (magnesium sulphate) to try to get

inorganic sulphate into her system (a deficiency specific to her). She got

a bad reaction - too much was absorbed and it released too many built-up

nasties from her system! So it seems that the skin is more permeable than I

thought, and it should be possible to remove toxins through it.

Ian

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Before I bought my sauna, which I still occasionally use, I was able

to test them out. Both the traditional wet saunas and the dry infra-

red saunas. I would very much like to test out the ionic foot baths.

Can you suggest where I might go to try something like this out? I'm

willing to travel a little ways. I am in a metropolitan area.

>

> A couple of years ago, I tried a few of these ionic foot baths.

While

> the water did discolor, I did not really notice any health benefits

> from it. Perhaps if I had done this repeatedly there may have been

> some longterm benefits, but I did not pursue this because I did not

> perceive any initial benefit, and would have to travel (and pay) for

> each use.

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Can you suggest where I might go to try something like this out? I'm

> willing to travel a little ways. I am in a metropolitan area.

I see them advertised in alternative health directories and also on

bulletin boards at health food store, and the occasional local

health expo. I suppose some kind of internet search might bring

up something too, but the problem is that there are differently

named competitors. I think the last one I tried was called

" Bionic Hydrotherapy " :

http://www.naturalchoice.net/sec2/hydrothr.htm

Marc

[Guest guest]

> red saunas. I would very much like to test out the ionic foot baths.

> Can you suggest where I might go to try something like this out? I'm

> willing to travel a little ways. I am in a metropolitan area.

Q-

Where do the alternative therapists advertise in your area? Besides

notice boards in health food stores, progressive or new-agey book

stores, other therapists, etc., look out for any 'free' newspapers. Is

there a college or artsy town nearby? They may have a higher density of

practitioners and/or the sorts of stores that will accept a pile of

'holistic' ad rags in the corner.

I've seen ads for 'aqua therapy' even here in Aberdeen where that

generally means the pub, so there's hope no matter where you are. ;-)

Emma

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Hello,

since a week we do have an IonCleanse foot spa.

We are flabbergasted with the results.

It makes positive and/or negative ions and by osmosis, it takes a lot of

toxic substances out of the body.

We think it a very good way of detoxifying the body.

The particles, fat, and mucous residues found in the water after bathing

reflect the wastes that have left the body during the 20 to 30 minute

session.

The colors of the debris in the water may tell what is coming out.

http://www.amajordifference.com/cleansehome.php

We also have a Molecular Oscillating Resonance Instrument, as well as a

Multiple Wave Oscillator (Lakhovsky) which work fine, but the released

toxins form a problem to get them out of the body.

Typically, when I went shopping today with my wife in a village nearby, she

had no trouble in the supermarket, inside and near the freezers, and outside

on the parking lot in front of the churchtower, full of GSM antennas.

This was quite different only two weeks ago.

Swollen fingers are getting thinner.

Liver spots on hands get lighter in color.

Sugar level of diabetes gets lower.

And, we now have proper clean feet. ;o))

Of course, it is only after a very short period, but we are very optimistic.

I keep you posted.

Look at: http://www.amajordifference.com/cleansehome.php

Greetings,

Claessens

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Re: Re: Foot baths

>> Can you suggest where I might go to try something like this out? I'm

>> willing to travel a little ways. I am in a metropolitan area.

>

> I see them advertised in alternative health directories and also on

> bulletin boards at health food store, and the occasional local

> health expo. I suppose some kind of internet search might bring

> up something too, but the problem is that there are differently

> named competitors. I think the last one I tried was called

> " Bionic Hydrotherapy " :

>

> http://www.naturalchoice.net/sec2/hydrothr.htm

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

> Typically, when I went shopping today with my wife in a village nearby,

> she had no trouble in the supermarket, inside and near the freezers, and

> outside on the parking lot in front of the churchtower, full of GSM antennas.

> This was quite different only two weeks ago.

Hmmm, impressive!

I must say that my symptoms also diminished with detox, although

I never found any detox method that I could tolerate that would

allow such rapid changes!

Marc

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> Typically, when I went shopping today with my wife in a village nearby,

> she had no trouble in the supermarket, inside and near the freezers, and

> outside on the parking lot in front of the churchtower, full of GSM

antennas.

> This was quite different only two weeks ago.

This is so remarkable! I am so curious to know more.

, if you can, do you know any more about the following:

1] what is the strength and character of the electromagnetic fields in the

vicinity of the device while it is operating? What EMF is the bather

exposed to?

2] have you tried the bath using distilled water? I see that local water

mineral content will vary the color of the final bath, even if no feet are

present. Color change using distilled water (and no feet) will be due only

to what the electrodes are adding to the water.

3] Do you add anything to the water under normal use?

4] do you know what the electrodes are made from? Which metal(s) are being

introduced into the water (body)? How is this device any different from an

electroplating bath?

5] is the effect the same if the hands (or other body parts) are soaked?

6] is it possible that a current is flowing through the body (in one foot

and out the other) while soaking? What happens if only 1 foot is soaked?

7] has anyone analysed the water to compare the final bath without feet

compared to with feet? What ions, proteins, fats, sugars, etc are present?

It would be so useful to know what aspect of this " therapy " is responsible

for the benefit. It could help us greatly to understand possible causes of

ES, and alternative treatments too!

Emil DeToffol

Less EMF Inc.

tel: +1-518-432-1550

fax: +1-309-422-4355

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Hello Emil,

see below:

Re: foot baths

>> Typically, when I went shopping today with my wife in a village nearby,

>> she had no trouble in the supermarket, inside and near the freezers, and

>> outside on the parking lot in front of the churchtower, full of GSM

> antennas.

>> This was quite different only two weeks ago.

>

> This is so remarkable! I am so curious to know more.

>

> , if you can, do you know any more about the following:

>

> 1] what is the strength and character of the electromagnetic fields in the

> vicinity of the device while it is operating? What EMF is the bather

> exposed to?

I did not measure it yet, but it does not give any effect sofar.

It runs on 2 Amps and under 20 Volts DC.

> 2] have you tried the bath using distilled water? I see that local water

> mineral content will vary the color of the final bath, even if no feet are

> present. Color change using distilled water (and no feet) will be due only

> to what the electrodes are adding to the water.

Yes, we tried distilled water, but in order to have the right amps, some

salt must be added.

20-40 % of the found residues in the water come from the water; the rest

coms out of the body.

> 3] Do you add anything to the water under normal use?

Yes some seasalt in order to achieve the right Amps

> 4] do you know what the electrodes are made from? Which metal(s) are being

> introduced into the water (body)? How is this device any different from an

> electroplating bath?

The metal electrode plates are placed inside an array.

> 5] is the effect the same if the hands (or other body parts) are soaked?

We have not tried that yet.

> 6] is it possible that a current is flowing through the body (in one foot

> and out the other) while soaking? What happens if only 1 foot is soaked?

It is not the current that is working.

The positive and/or negative ions go into the body by osmosis and drag the

garbage out.

> 7] has anyone analysed the water to compare the final bath without feet

> compared to with feet? What ions, proteins, fats, sugars, etc are present?

Yes, there are reports about that.

Also, what metals and how much are coming out.

> It would be so useful to know what aspect of this " therapy " is responsible

> for the benefit. It could help us greatly to understand possible causes of

> ES, and alternative treatments too!

It is my opinion, that people who do have a *history* are succeptible for

becoming electrosensitive.

This *history* has a lot to do with chemicals, pollution, poisons, heavy

metals, etc which are stored inside our body, and which weaken our

immunesystem.

The book *Amalagam Illness* by Hall Cutler reads like a horror story.

Most stuff we use today are stuffed with pollutants (read the books by Hulda

).

Like most deodorants contain a lot of aluminium.

Many years ago, doctors wanted to cut the eye out of my neighbour, becaus

she had a heavy infection on her eye.

When she started to stop using a certain eye make-up, the infection went

away.

Everything we eat and drink contains pollutants.

Most remain layered in the body.

I think, that this foot spa may help to get them out.

But, that is my opinion.

The effects are very promising.

Although it is not cheap.

But, being healthy costs a lot nowadays.

We have found that a liver cleansing according to the method of Hulda

(takes 24 hours) helps people also a lot, and when they have ejected the

gallstones that way, they feel better, and also their electrosensibility

level is somewhat lessened.

Greetings,

Claessens

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>

> Emil DeToffol

> Less EMF Inc.

> tel: +1-518-432-1550

> fax: +1-309-422-4355

>

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> 7] has anyone analysed the water to compare the final bath without feet

> compared to with feet?

As I recall, the woman in my area who was testing one out visually

compared the results of the water by running it with and without feet

in it. There was some discoloration in the water without feet, but

it was not nearly as much " muck " , " foam " , " gunk " , and " specks " as

when it was run with feet. As I recall, I think she had to add

some salt to the water before putting the device into it.

> It would be so useful to know what aspect of this " therapy " is responsible

> for the benefit. It could help us greatly to understand possible causes of

> ES, and alternative treatments too!

The foot bath is supposed to detoxify the body, and there have been

several people who have had their ES symptoms reduced via other

methods of detoxification.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Sure, there are many roads that lead to Rome.

Also, there are many people who do not have any ES symptoms at all.

(Think of all those fools who do need their mobile phones so desperately)

And, there are many people, who are sick.

Greetings,

Claessens

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Re: foot baths

The foot bath is supposed to detoxify the body, and there have been

several people who have had their ES symptoms reduced via other

methods of detoxification.

Marc

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Tommy Girl,

I'd buy the best unit I could afford . . . with the tan tub. They'll accept an offer that's $25 less than their "Buy Now" price.

You'll use it for 30-40 minutes . . They say you can use it every other day . . I woudn't recommend using it that often. . . but you can be the judge. I feel better about once a week.

When you see how much stuff comes out, you'll want to do it everyday to get all the stuff out fast. . .

The downside is that it pulls good minerals out as well as bad ones. . You'll need to increase your mineral intake, as well as your water and fiber intake when doing the foot baths. I think one's body needs time to flush the stuff out, and adjust, before loosening any more.

You might feel momentarily light headed . .. but that will pass quickly. Overall you should feel better after the foot baths. . . And increasingly better as the months go by.

Hugs,

Rogene

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I know the foot bath helped me so much... I know it got rid of those burning joints, as long as you take magnesium, calcium and vitamin d with it.... I bought that in a liquid and it taste like pina coloda, without sugar.... It was not so bad...

I think I am going to buy one for Christmas... I dare my bf to ask me what I want... LOL

My girlfriend let me borrow hers and she moved to California... so there went my foot baths..

God Bless,

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