Re: Re: O.T...how do you get your kids to sleep

[Guest guest]

Penny,

I am also giving Taurine 1000mg. in the a.m.

Melatonin Plus

Magnesium Glycinate in the pm

Blessings,

Doreen

Re: O.T...how do you get your kids to sleep

Penny,

If it is still taking him 1-2 hours to fall asleep, I don' t think the

melatonin is working or you are not using the right form.

My boys get so sleepy that they cannot stay awake within 30

minutes of taking melatonin. They are tired within 20 minutes

and asleep within 30.

With no melatonin, they stay up until midnight or 1am easily.

They are just not sleepy.

Now, I will add that without Taurine, the melatonin is not as

effective for my boys. They still fall asleep within 30 minutes, but

they do not stay asleep all night.

I do not know if this combo works for other kids or not. But I give

1 Taurine (325mg) in the morning and one at bedtime. If I do not

give both, they do not sleep as long. Giving both doses of

Taurine and .5mg of fast acting melatonin yields about 9-10

hours of continuous sleep.

No melatonin and no taurine= 6-7 hours of sleep starting at

about midnight, not continuous

Melatonin and no taurine= 8 hours of sleep, not continuous

Also, what other supplements are you giving and at what time of

day are you giving them?

Jody

mom to -5 and -7

SCD 14 months

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

When Abby was younger she used to sleep walk. Within 3 days of starting

liquid zinc (kirkman) it completely stopped. The one we used is not legal

so something else would have to be substituted.

Kathy

Abby's mom

SCD for 7 weeks

Re: O.T...how do you get your kids to sleep

> Penny,

>

> If it is still taking him 1-2 hours to fall asleep, I don' t think the

> melatonin is working or you are not using the right form.

>

> My boys get so sleepy that they cannot stay awake within 30

> minutes of taking melatonin. They are tired within 20 minutes

> and asleep within 30.

>

> With no melatonin, they stay up until midnight or 1am easily.

> They are just not sleepy.

>

> Now, I will add that without Taurine, the melatonin is not as

> effective for my boys. They still fall asleep within 30 minutes, but

> they do not stay asleep all night.

>

> I do not know if this combo works for other kids or not. But I give

> 1 Taurine (325mg) in the morning and one at bedtime. If I do not

> give both, they do not sleep as long. Giving both doses of

> Taurine and .5mg of fast acting melatonin yields about 9-10

> hours of continuous sleep.

>

> No melatonin and no taurine= 6-7 hours of sleep starting at

> about midnight, not continuous

> Melatonin and no taurine= 8 hours of sleep, not continuous

>

> Also, what other supplements are you giving and at what time of

> day are you giving them?

>

> Jody

> mom to -5 and -7

> SCD 14 months

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jody:

I tried Taurine a long time ago and then stopped for some reason. What brand do

you use? I am giving him most of his supplements in the afternoon because I

don't like to give him a bunch on what little food he has in the morning. In

the morning I give him enzymes and DMG. I give him the DMG because it's one I

give twice per day. Then around 2pm, after school, I give him another dose of

DMG, SCD multivitamin, calcium, a compounded EFA, 2 caps of cod liver oil and I

think that's it. Then around 4pm I give him 40mg of zinc. Is that too late for

zinc? I give him a calcium a little later and then at bedtime the magnesium

glycinate and the melatonin. Sometimes I give the mag earlier. I have really

cut back on supplements. The combo you mentioned seems to work for you. I'd

like to try it. Do you know if a Taurine from GNC would be ok? I'm going to

town tomorrow so I could get some or do I need to order from Kirkmans? Also, I

haven't been giving Vitamin C, just in the multivitamin. What should I be

giving him and what brand?

Thanks so much for your help.

Penny

Re: O.T...how do you get your kids to sleep

Penny,

If it is still taking him 1-2 hours to fall asleep, I don' t think the

melatonin is working or you are not using the right form.

My boys get so sleepy that they cannot stay awake within 30

minutes of taking melatonin. They are tired within 20 minutes

and asleep within 30.

With no melatonin, they stay up until midnight or 1am easily.

They are just not sleepy.

Now, I will add that without Taurine, the melatonin is not as

effective for my boys. They still fall asleep within 30 minutes, but

they do not stay asleep all night.

I do not know if this combo works for other kids or not. But I give

1 Taurine (325mg) in the morning and one at bedtime. If I do not

give both, they do not sleep as long. Giving both doses of

Taurine and .5mg of fast acting melatonin yields about 9-10

hours of continuous sleep.

No melatonin and no taurine= 6-7 hours of sleep starting at

about midnight, not continuous

Melatonin and no taurine= 8 hours of sleep, not continuous

Also, what other supplements are you giving and at what time of

day are you giving them?

Jody

mom to -5 and -7

SCD 14 months

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Jody:

Maybe the SCD multi is given too late in the day. I'll just have to try to make

sure enough is in his stomach. That's the only B he takes now. I don't know

if GNC has taurine or not either. I'm just anxious to try your method.

Thanks again,

Penny

Re: O.T...how do you get your kids to sleep

Penny,

When I gave the melatonin from Kirkman's (capsules), it took

almost an hour for my boys to fall asleep. No good for me. I

used their chewables, which worked quickly, until we started

SCD. The chewables are illegal. So, I switched to KAL brand

fast acting melatonin.

I use Taurine from Kirkman's (325 mg). I didn't think that GNC

actually sold Taurine. Very few places actually make taurine as a

separate supplement. I have no idea whether or not GNC

makes it or whether it would be legal. Sorry.

I would not give any vitamins containing B vitamins late in the

afternoon. I give all of my boys supplements in the morning

because if I give them in the afternoon, they have a much harder

time sleeping. I don't think that zinc and magnesium would

interfere with sleep.

Jody

mom to -5 and -7

SCD 14 months

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

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[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for that information. It was very helpful.

Penny

Re: O.T...how do you get your kids to sleep

Dear Penny

my 3 year old Dimiter

used to have inconsolable (scream+stare) nightwaking

for months

he would sleep about 2 hours/night, no naps for days in a row

that went away with GFCF/SF

his hyperactivity during the day

went down with Feingold Diet

then he would go to bed at about midnite or 2am

and stim a lot in the evenings post dinner

rowdy verbal stim, hyperactive

by now he goes to bed voluntarily or when told verbally

by 8 or 8:30am, someitmes tucking himself in

and sleep all night (we wake him to go potty once, then

he goes back to sleep) till we wake him at 8am

I believe these helped him

1. enzymes with EVERY meal/snacks, 2 caps Kirman's digestive enzymes

with DPP-IV if he has meats (for his indigestion, acid reflux)

2. no food by 6:30pm; after dinner, we let him exercise/run in yard

sleep with light tummy by 8:30pm

3. heaviest foods (eg lamb, meats) in the morning..digested by night

for good night's sleep. Reduced frying. Once we gave him sautee

carrots, shallots, lamb and he could not sleep and threw all that

fried stuff out, then slept. So we greatly reduced frying

4. I we feed him too much, he tends to sit up instead of lying

down. We think maybe that prevents acid reflux

5. by now with firm stools in SCD, he sleeps like an angel

I hope you get this magic soon, on SCD!

(our meals are very puritanical: to aid his very poor digestion

eg

-boiled zucchini/broccoli/garlic/ veggies, go through juicer,

fed as soup

-intro soups

-sautee lamb, cut in very small pieces, fed only in the

morning, without anything else (food combination)

-scrambled eggs (limited)

-ripe banana, avocado

-boiled peas, I peel each membrane off each and every pea

-ops! I gotta go change diaper of my 13 month old now

good luck!

your determination through so many obstacles

is an inspiration to me, Penny!

love to you and your guy

mama Jzin

Dimiter age 3, ASD...great sleep, starting to count, can answer " what

is that ? questions " , no more super sensitive ears/head, etc daily

miracles unfolding. Thanks to SCD/Elaine!!!!

SCD intro since 2/04

just started goat milk yogurt last night...very excited

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

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