Re: Adrenal Glandulars AND why it's worth doing this right

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for the detailed post. I really appreciate it. I will

definitely try the adrenal gladulars. I feel that it is certainly

worth a try. If it doesn't work for me, so be it. I will start slowly

and work up.

Thanks again,

gary

> ,

> To say yes or no to the cortisol thing... I can't... I can only

share my

> philosophy/understanding/reasoning for taking a whole adrenal

glandular

> verses adrenal gland stimulators or specific adrenal hormones.

>

> Normally our adrenals perform their biggest/regular function in the

> morning when we wake. As we wake the adrenals release the hormone

that

> they have produced and stored. By taking a whole glandular first

thing in

> the morning, it is my understanding and belief that it aids the

adrenals

> glands by providing the hormone we need when waking, that way they

don't

> have to. It allows them to rest and heal.

>

> The rest of the time the adrenals release on an 'as needed' basis,

not

> like in the morning.

>

> They release when we are stressed, when we've skipped meals, when

we are

> angry or frightened...

>

> Our bodies are designed to work with sufficient adrenal hormones

released

> in the morning and during times of need. Adrenal glands that are

fatigued

> and unable to release hormone at appropriate times will release

when they

> have enough hormone produced and in reserve to release.

>

> Adrenal hormones and the energy that they produce is used BEFORE

energy

> from the foods we eat. So if you are getting your adrenal 'dump'

late in

> the day, during the night.. not only is it getting you over

stimulated

> (anxiety, panic, unable to sleep, etc.) it means that our bodies are

> going to be storing food energy as fat and using adrenal hormones to

> function.

>

> So.. excess cortisol (one of the adrenal hormones) in the system at

> inappropriate times will cause you to store the food you've eaten

as fat.

> High anxiety and panic can cause inappropriate eating, increasing

calorie

> intake, increasing fat.

>

> It's my opinion. Based on what I've read over the last three years

and my

> own experience over the last two... that taking a whole desiccated

> adrenal glandular (remember, Armour is a whole desiccated thyroid

> Glandular) first thing in the morning allows the adrenal glands to

rest

> and heal and return to normal function and cycle - it's providing

all the

> same hormones that the gland would produce.

>

> What's changed for me since starting?

> I sleep regularly, back to being a morning person and able to fall

asleep

> quickly at night. If I have to go to the bathroom during the night

I'm

> able to crawl back into bed and fall back to sleep right away - no

more

> laying there for 2 or 3 hours.

> My 'adult' body hair has returned (arm pit, pubic and leg hair),

showing

> that my sex hormones are normalizing again, adrenal function has a

lot to

> do with that.

> I can handle emergencies now... I don't just crawl into a corner

and cry.

> When I get mad I say so, I chew butt, I yell... I don't crawl into a

> corner and cry any more.

> I laugh again. I laugh out loud at jokes and stuff I see on TV and

> sometimes I just smile when the sun comes out.. all things that I

didn't

> do before, when our adrenals are messed up, and thyroid hormones

and all

> that stuff our emotions don't work right... we become zombies, no

joy, no

> laughter.. usually sadness and depression and pain.. we don't even

get

> mad... it takes adrenaline to get mad.... BOY, do I get mad now...

> It's allowed me to handle higher doses of thyroid hormone. So my

symptoms

> for that are improving.

> ...the list goes on... I hope it gives you an idea.

>

> I'm of the opinion that:

> When your body is really sensitive to adjustments, like mine.

> When your body has been functioning for extended periods of time

(read

> as: FOR YEARS) with insufficient hormone levels and has suffered a

LOT of

> damage, like mine.

>

> ...that you need to really sit down and evaluate your body and how

it

> functions. I've been messing with this for years now. Working on

finding

> out what I need to give my body and how.

>

> The right hormone source - natural rather than synthetics (see, I

was on

> synthetics for over a decade. Each year I got worse, eventually

ending up

> on crutches. I've been on naturals a little over two years,

treating by

> symptoms rather than labs and I'm off crutches, my hair is growing

> back... etc. etc. etc)

> The right way to take them - sublingually for the most consistent

dosing

> with the naturals and finding out that I'd never taken the

synthetics

> correctly - no one ever told me. But then even if I'd taken them

> correctly they were the wrong hormone source for me. I have no

thyroid

> function, I'm totally dependant on what I'm taking so synthetics

can't

> provide what I need (and don't have the consistency of potency that

> someone with little or no gland function MUST have)

> The correct timing - I have to multidose the thyroid - every three

hours

> and I have to take the adrenal the first thing in the morning and

let my

> glands function normally the rest of the time.

> Finding and taking the supplements that I need to help my body to

> function as best it can right now and adjusting as my body changes

and

> improves.

> Eating regularly. Doing my best to not skip meals, to do everything

I can

> to encourage good metabolism for energy, for organ function, for

weight

> management.

>

> The most profound thing for me since this journey began? Knowledge.

>

> I'm learning how it works, why it works, what works for me, how to

> determine what is best for me.

>

> I've been asked more than a couple of times why I bother to still be

> here.... I already found what I need to do.. why take the time?

>

> That's easy... I learn from you guys. All the time. One of you

comes up

> with an idea, or a theory, or has tried something that did, or did

not,

> work... Sometimes something is mentioned that sounds interesting

and I

> want to try....

>

> That's how I learned about multi-dosing, mini-meals, adrenal

support,

> sublingual dosing... this stuff isn't stuff that I dreamt up... or

read

> about in an article ONLY... other folks tried it and it made sense

to me

> and I checked around and then I tried... and trying doesn't mean

seeing

> if it makes a difference in a day or two or even a week or two...

some of

> this stuff takes months to make a noticeable difference... Some

stuff

> works for some folks... some stuff works for other folks.. we don't

all

> react the same way.

>

> But the day you wake up and there is hair on your legs where there

hasn't

> been for years (hey, don't you ladies be saying you'd love to not

have to

> shave... hair not growing where it should be means that there is

> something wrong with your body).

> The day you take a shower and you're not pulling a hand full of

hair out

> of the drain.

> The first morning you wake up after sleeping the entire night

through,

> for the first time in YEARS!

> The first morning when you wake with NO PAIN - ANYWHERE! (that

particular

> thing happened literally overnight. By a change in the timing of my

meds

> - no change in dosing - just the time)

> And when you can go to the bathroom and move your bowels without

pain,

> without tearing and bleeding AND that it becomes a regular routine

and

> you no longer have impacted bowels and stabbing pain in your guts...

> (that line may not make sense to many of you.. but for those of you

that

> have not been able to go for a few weeks, have had your stomach

bloat out

> and become rock hard, and to have these sharp stabbing pains when

you

> move wrong - will understand)

>

> That, and MUCH MUCH more is what this is all about.. it's worth

every bit

> of effort that you put in to figuring out YOUR body's puzzle.

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:30:54 -0000 " " <garyland@y...> writes:

>

> ,

>

> Will taking Nutri-Meds Adrenal INCREASE my cortisol?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Think I am going to read this one several times to get it all, but I

do have a question. At the moment the only way that I can stay

asleep or go back after a bathroom trip is to take sleeping pills.

I have been on them for the past few months and prior to that would

go to sleep but wake every 2 hours or so and then be up sometimes

for the rest of the night. The only reason that I gave in and got

the pills was that one night I lost my cool because hubby was

upstairs sleeping like a baby, so I got the stairs door and slammed

as hard as I could to wake him. It did!!!...... So am I just

covering up a problem by taking the pills? I do feel less tired.

Thanks

Dawn

> ,

> To say yes or no to the cortisol thing... I can't... I can only

share my

> philosophy/understanding/reasoning for taking a whole adrenal

glandular

> verses adrenal gland stimulators or specific adrenal hormones.

>

> Normally our adrenals perform their biggest/regular function in the

> morning when we wake. As we wake the adrenals release the hormone

that

> they have produced and stored. By taking a whole glandular first

thing in

> the morning, it is my understanding and belief that it aids the

adrenals

> glands by providing the hormone we need when waking, that way they

don't

> have to. It allows them to rest and heal.

>

> The rest of the time the adrenals release on an 'as needed' basis,

not

> like in the morning.

>

> They release when we are stressed, when we've skipped meals, when

we are

> angry or frightened...

>

> Our bodies are designed to work with sufficient adrenal hormones

released

> in the morning and during times of need. Adrenal glands that are

fatigued

> and unable to release hormone at appropriate times will release

when they

> have enough hormone produced and in reserve to release.

>

> Adrenal hormones and the energy that they produce is used BEFORE

energy

> from the foods we eat. So if you are getting your adrenal 'dump'

late in

> the day, during the night.. not only is it getting you over

stimulated

> (anxiety, panic, unable to sleep, etc.) it means that our bodies

are

> going to be storing food energy as fat and using adrenal hormones

to

> function.

>

> So.. excess cortisol (one of the adrenal hormones) in the system at

> inappropriate times will cause you to store the food you've eaten

as fat.

> High anxiety and panic can cause inappropriate eating, increasing

calorie

> intake, increasing fat.

>

> It's my opinion. Based on what I've read over the last three years

and my

> own experience over the last two... that taking a whole desiccated

> adrenal glandular (remember, Armour is a whole desiccated thyroid

> Glandular) first thing in the morning allows the adrenal glands to

rest

> and heal and return to normal function and cycle - it's providing

all the

> same hormones that the gland would produce.

>

> What's changed for me since starting?

> I sleep regularly, back to being a morning person and able to fall

asleep

> quickly at night. If I have to go to the bathroom during the night

I'm

> able to crawl back into bed and fall back to sleep right away - no

more

> laying there for 2 or 3 hours.

> My 'adult' body hair has returned (arm pit, pubic and leg hair),

showing

> that my sex hormones are normalizing again, adrenal function has a

lot to

> do with that.

> I can handle emergencies now... I don't just crawl into a corner

and cry.

> When I get mad I say so, I chew butt, I yell... I don't crawl into

a

> corner and cry any more.

> I laugh again. I laugh out loud at jokes and stuff I see on TV and

> sometimes I just smile when the sun comes out.. all things that I

didn't

> do before, when our adrenals are messed up, and thyroid hormones

and all

> that stuff our emotions don't work right... we become zombies, no

joy, no

> laughter.. usually sadness and depression and pain.. we don't even

get

> mad... it takes adrenaline to get mad.... BOY, do I get mad now...

> It's allowed me to handle higher doses of thyroid hormone. So my

symptoms

> for that are improving.

> ...the list goes on... I hope it gives you an idea.

>

> I'm of the opinion that:

> When your body is really sensitive to adjustments, like mine.

> When your body has been functioning for extended periods of time

(read

> as: FOR YEARS) with insufficient hormone levels and has suffered a

LOT of

> damage, like mine.

>

> ...that you need to really sit down and evaluate your body and how

it

> functions. I've been messing with this for years now. Working on

finding

> out what I need to give my body and how.

>

> The right hormone source - natural rather than synthetics (see, I

was on

> synthetics for over a decade. Each year I got worse, eventually

ending up

> on crutches. I've been on naturals a little over two years,

treating by

> symptoms rather than labs and I'm off crutches, my hair is growing

> back... etc. etc. etc)

> The right way to take them - sublingually for the most consistent

dosing

> with the naturals and finding out that I'd never taken the

synthetics

> correctly - no one ever told me. But then even if I'd taken them

> correctly they were the wrong hormone source for me. I have no

thyroid

> function, I'm totally dependant on what I'm taking so synthetics

can't

> provide what I need (and don't have the consistency of potency that

> someone with little or no gland function MUST have)

> The correct timing - I have to multidose the thyroid - every three

hours

> and I have to take the adrenal the first thing in the morning and

let my

> glands function normally the rest of the time.

> Finding and taking the supplements that I need to help my body to

> function as best it can right now and adjusting as my body changes

and

> improves.

> Eating regularly. Doing my best to not skip meals, to do

everything I can

> to encourage good metabolism for energy, for organ function, for

weight

> management.

>

> The most profound thing for me since this journey began? Knowledge.

>

> I'm learning how it works, why it works, what works for me, how to

> determine what is best for me.

>

> I've been asked more than a couple of times why I bother to still

be

> here.... I already found what I need to do.. why take the time?

>

> That's easy... I learn from you guys. All the time. One of you

comes up

> with an idea, or a theory, or has tried something that did, or did

not,

> work... Sometimes something is mentioned that sounds interesting

and I

> want to try....

>

> That's how I learned about multi-dosing, mini-meals, adrenal

support,

> sublingual dosing... this stuff isn't stuff that I dreamt up... or

read

> about in an article ONLY... other folks tried it and it made sense

to me

> and I checked around and then I tried... and trying doesn't mean

seeing

> if it makes a difference in a day or two or even a week or two...

some of

> this stuff takes months to make a noticeable difference... Some

stuff

> works for some folks... some stuff works for other folks.. we

don't all

> react the same way.

>

> But the day you wake up and there is hair on your legs where there

hasn't

> been for years (hey, don't you ladies be saying you'd love to not

have to

> shave... hair not growing where it should be means that there is

> something wrong with your body).

> The day you take a shower and you're not pulling a hand full of

hair out

> of the drain.

> The first morning you wake up after sleeping the entire night

through,

> for the first time in YEARS!

> The first morning when you wake with NO PAIN - ANYWHERE! (that

particular

> thing happened literally overnight. By a change in the timing of

my meds

> - no change in dosing - just the time)

> And when you can go to the bathroom and move your bowels without

pain,

> without tearing and bleeding AND that it becomes a regular routine

and

> you no longer have impacted bowels and stabbing pain in your

guts...

> (that line may not make sense to many of you.. but for those of

you that

> have not been able to go for a few weeks, have had your stomach

bloat out

> and become rock hard, and to have these sharp stabbing pains when

you

> move wrong - will understand)

>

> That, and MUCH MUCH more is what this is all about.. it's worth

every bit

> of effort that you put in to figuring out YOUR body's puzzle.

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:30:54 -0000 " " <garyland@y...> writes:

>

> ,

>

> Will taking Nutri-Meds Adrenal INCREASE my cortisol?

>

>

[Guest guest]

The real Reason, Pard?...............You like us!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Re: Adrenal Glandulars AND why it's worth doing this right

I've been asked more than a couple of times why I bother to still be here.... I already found what I need to do.. why take the time?

That's easy... I learn from you guys. All the time. One of you comes up with an idea, or a theory, or has tried something that did, or did not, work... Sometimes something is mentioned that sounds interesting and I want to try....

[Guest guest]

Above all, be realistic with yourself and fair.. sound off of us.. observations, theories, fears, triumphs and failures.. it's amazing what someone else will see that you have missed... that's why I sometimes get so long winded here... it's not to drive you guys nuts, or to get the 'longest post winner's cup'... it's cause some little tidbit of something that I mention might click in someone's head...

You're sensitive, like me....you may want to start with just a quarter tab of the glandular... see how it goes... you can take it sublingually for consistent dosing... just set it on your nightstand and pop it under your tongue when you wake....

Keep us posted... okay?

Topper ()

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:30:26 -0000 "" writes:

,Thanks for the detailed post. I really appreciate it. I will definitely try the adrenal gladulars. I feel that it is certainly worth a try. If it doesn't work for me, so be it. I will start slowly and work up. Thanks again,gary

[Guest guest]

Dawn,

Yes, you're just covering up the problem.... I went for so many years with insomnia and broken, unrestful sleep, it was terrible... getting your body back to a healthy sleep pattern does a LOT for your mood, your patience, your mental abilities, easing of pain.. just LOADS of stuff...

Tricks to remember...

Never take a nap during the day, no matter how tired you are.

Go to sleep at the same time every night.. every night.. not just during the week.

Get up at the same time every day, no matter how little sleep you got the night before.

(I KNOW what you are thinking.. it's HARD to do.. but getting your body clock normalized with waking/sleeping patterns and helping your adrenals so that they are functioning normally means you sleep)

I know I'm an extreme... but, since I am an extreme (as in extreme low hormone levels from having no thyroid function, low on meds for sooo many years, then having no meds.... things got really really bad) I stopped dreaming, I was lucking to sleep two or three hours a night. Never had dreams, had a lot of flashback nightmares.... and woke in horrid pain. So bad that sometimes I didn't even want to go to bed cause of how bad I'd be hurting in the morning.

You know what the pain is from? Well, lots of things, actually.. but what caused it to repeat day after day, week after week, year after year was not getting into level four sleep. Broken sleep, short naps, inconsistent sleep patterns, irregular hormone levels, all of that keeps you from getting to level four.. Level four is recuperative sleep. The state at which our bodies heal, repair and grow... if we can't do that daily... things accumulate... Then we meet our 'new friend' Chronic Pain.

..... I'm getting rambly... I'll stop....

Topper ()

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:38:08 -0000 "dawn prince" writes:

Hi ,Think I am going to read this one several times to get it all, but I do have a question. At the moment the only way that I can stay asleep or go back after a bathroom trip is to take sleeping pills. I have been on them for the past few months and prior to that would go to sleep but wake every 2 hours or so and then be up sometimes for the rest of the night. The only reason that I gave in and got the pills was that one night I lost my cool because hubby was upstairs sleeping like a baby, so I got the stairs door and slammed as hard as I could to wake him. It did!!!...... So am I just covering up a problem by taking the pills? I do feel less tired. ThanksDawn

[Guest guest]

PPPPPhhhhhllllluuuuugggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

*wink*

Oh ggeeeezzzz I just spit all over my MONITOR!!!!!

Topper ()

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:56:14 -0600 "Feisty\(ThyroFeisty\)" writes:

The real Reason, Pard?...............You like us!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

Know what you mean about not sleeping properly for years, hubby has

sleep apnea and then I got hypo. So, I think next week I will start

to wean off the sleeping pills, as I don't want to throw one of the

grandkids into the oven in place of the turkey lol!!! I knew that

something was not going right lately as I was beginning to need 2

pills instead of 1, so that is why when I read your dissertation

[not rambling] it all fell into place. I had always put the

sleeplessness down to getting old, hubby snoring, too much this or

that, so I will be reading it again until it's in my head to stay.

Thanks again

Dawn

> Dawn,

>

> Yes, you're just covering up the problem.... I went for so many

years

> with insomnia and broken, unrestful sleep, it was terrible...

getting

> your body back to a healthy sleep pattern does a LOT for your

mood, your

> patience, your mental abilities, easing of pain.. just LOADS of

stuff...

>

> Tricks to remember...

> Never take a nap during the day, no matter how tired you are.

> Go to sleep at the same time every night.. every night.. not just

during

> the week.

> Get up at the same time every day, no matter how little sleep you

got the

> night before.

>

> (I KNOW what you are thinking.. it's HARD to do.. but getting your

body

> clock normalized with waking/sleeping patterns and helping your

adrenals

> so that they are functioning normally means you sleep)

>

> I know I'm an extreme... but, since I am an extreme (as in extreme

low

> hormone levels from having no thyroid function, low on meds for

sooo many

> years, then having no meds.... things got really really bad) I

stopped

> dreaming, I was lucking to sleep two or three hours a night. Never

had

> dreams, had a lot of flashback nightmares.... and woke in horrid

pain. So

> bad that sometimes I didn't even want to go to bed cause of how

bad I'd

> be hurting in the morning.

>

> You know what the pain is from? Well, lots of things, actually..

but what

> caused it to repeat day after day, week after week, year after

year was

> not getting into level four sleep. Broken sleep, short naps,

inconsistent

> sleep patterns, irregular hormone levels, all of that keeps you

from

> getting to level four.. Level four is recuperative sleep. The

state at

> which our bodies heal, repair and grow... if we can't do that

daily...

> things accumulate... Then we meet our 'new friend' Chronic Pain.

>

> .... I'm getting rambly... I'll stop....

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:38:08 -0000 " dawn prince " <dwnprince@y...>

> writes:

>

> Hi ,

> Think I am going to read this one several times to get it all, but

I

> do have a question. At the moment the only way that I can stay

> asleep or go back after a bathroom trip is to take sleeping

pills.

> I have been on them for the past few months and prior to that

would

> go to sleep but wake every 2 hours or so and then be up sometimes

> for the rest of the night. The only reason that I gave in and got

> the pills was that one night I lost my cool because hubby was

> upstairs sleeping like a baby, so I got the stairs door and

slammed

> as hard as I could to wake him. It did!!!...... So am I just

> covering up a problem by taking the pills? I do feel less tired.

> Thanks

> Dawn

[Guest guest]

Concentrate on getting on a schedule, as best you can.... it will help... I know it sounds really dorky... but getting into a normal body rhythm is a very beneficial thing... and if you put aside the schedule, sleeping and waking any ole time, and stress your body by staying up later... or napping during the day to make you not sleepy at regular bed time.. that very irregularity will make getting the hormones back in shape even harder.

Our hormones can actually get out of whack by odd sleep schedules...

For me.... and I admit I'm an odd duck and what works for me may only work for me... but if I can't get to bed on time and I'm looking at staying up four or five hours longer.. I will sometimes choose to NOT go to bed and just stay up, keeping busy, of course, and having an extra mini meal, and then take my morning thyroid and adrenal dose at the regular time, as if I'd just waken.... then that next day, yes, I'll be tired.. and crabby.... but I'll be DARN good and tired come bed time and zonk... sleep soundly through the night and wake that next day back to normal...

Oh, Dawn.. if you do put one of the kids in instead of the turkey... You can always baste with butter and tuck some apples in the roasting pan.. it will add a bit of sweetness!!!

*wink*

Topper ()

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 02:02:06 -0000 "dawn prince" writes:

Thanks ,Know what you mean about not sleeping properly for years, hubby has sleep apnea and then I got hypo. So, I think next week I will start to wean off the sleeping pills, as I don't want to throw one of the grandkids into the oven in place of the turkey lol!!! I knew that something was not going right lately as I was beginning to need 2 pills instead of 1, so that is why when I read your dissertation [not rambling] it all fell into place. I had always put the sleeplessness down to getting old, hubby snoring, too much this or that, so I will be reading it again until it's in my head to stay. Thanks againDawn

[Guest guest]

Dawn,

What brand of sleeping pills do you take?

> > Dawn,

> >

> > Yes, you're just covering up the problem.... I went for so many

> years

> > with insomnia and broken, unrestful sleep, it was terrible...

> getting

> > your body back to a healthy sleep pattern does a LOT for your

> mood, your

> > patience, your mental abilities, easing of pain.. just LOADS of

> stuff...

> >

> > Tricks to remember...

> > Never take a nap during the day, no matter how tired you are.

> > Go to sleep at the same time every night.. every night.. not just

> during

> > the week.

> > Get up at the same time every day, no matter how little sleep you

> got the

> > night before.

> >

> > (I KNOW what you are thinking.. it's HARD to do.. but getting

your

> body

> > clock normalized with waking/sleeping patterns and helping your

> adrenals

> > so that they are functioning normally means you sleep)

> >

> > I know I'm an extreme... but, since I am an extreme (as in

extreme

> low

> > hormone levels from having no thyroid function, low on meds for

> sooo many

> > years, then having no meds.... things got really really bad) I

> stopped

> > dreaming, I was lucking to sleep two or three hours a night.

Never

> had

> > dreams, had a lot of flashback nightmares.... and woke in horrid

> pain. So

> > bad that sometimes I didn't even want to go to bed cause of how

> bad I'd

> > be hurting in the morning.

> >

> > You know what the pain is from? Well, lots of things, actually..

> but what

> > caused it to repeat day after day, week after week, year after

> year was

> > not getting into level four sleep. Broken sleep, short naps,

> inconsistent

> > sleep patterns, irregular hormone levels, all of that keeps you

> from

> > getting to level four.. Level four is recuperative sleep. The

> state at

> > which our bodies heal, repair and grow... if we can't do that

> daily...

> > things accumulate... Then we meet our 'new friend' Chronic Pain.

> >

> > .... I'm getting rambly... I'll stop....

> >

> > Topper ()

> >

> > On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:38:08 -0000 " dawn prince " <dwnprince@y...>

> > writes:

> >

> > Hi ,

> > Think I am going to read this one several times to get it all,

but

> I

> > do have a question. At the moment the only way that I can stay

> > asleep or go back after a bathroom trip is to take sleeping

> pills.

> > I have been on them for the past few months and prior to that

> would

> > go to sleep but wake every 2 hours or so and then be up sometimes

> > for the rest of the night. The only reason that I gave in and

got

> > the pills was that one night I lost my cool because hubby was

> > upstairs sleeping like a baby, so I got the stairs door and

> slammed

> > as hard as I could to wake him. It did!!!...... So am I just

> > covering up a problem by taking the pills? I do feel less

tired.

> > Thanks

> > Dawn

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I know how you are feeling with the not sleeping but I really don't

advocate sleeping pills as the solution. In the beginning I took

them in the hopes that after a month or two I would have regained my

sleep pattern, but it didn't work. I have tried a couple of times

to go without only to be up in the night and not able to go back to

sleep. First the doc gave me an antispasmodic for over active

bladder in the hope that if I didn't have to get up in the night for

the bathroom then I would sleep better. Didn't happen, the urgency

and frequency are better but I still get up to go at least once but

normally twice, and the sleeping pill does help with going right

back to sleep. So after Christmas I will be reducing them, say 1

every other night and go down from there. Can't say that I am

looking forward to that as only getting 2-4 hours of broken sleep is

ghastly. The name of the pill which is generic is gen-temazepam

15mg temazepam and I hope you bear in mind what I have said, that it

cured nothing but did give some relief. I think I would prefer to

be cured, so, if someone is reading this has any suggestions they

would sure be welcome. Dreading next week, but, stiff upper lip and

all that!!!! I could well be on here screaming because I can't

sleep, so hope someone will be up in the wee hours EST. , take

care I know that it is really rough but there is no magic pill for

us yet, so try to relax and give your poor old body time to heal and

adjust to each new thing that you do in the way of med change. It

very rarely went bad over night so we can't reverse it that fast

either. Hope you have a better day than yesterday

Dawn

> > > Dawn,

> > >

> > > Yes, you're just covering up the problem.... I went for so

many

> > years

> > > with insomnia and broken, unrestful sleep, it was terrible...

> > getting

> > > your body back to a healthy sleep pattern does a LOT for your

> > mood, your

> > > patience, your mental abilities, easing of pain.. just LOADS

of

> > stuff...

> > >

> > > Tricks to remember...

> > > Never take a nap during the day, no matter how tired you are.

> > > Go to sleep at the same time every night.. every night.. not

just

> > during

> > > the week.

> > > Get up at the same time every day, no matter how little sleep

you

> > got the

> > > night before.

> > >

> > > (I KNOW what you are thinking.. it's HARD to do.. but getting

> your

> > body

> > > clock normalized with waking/sleeping patterns and helping

your

> > adrenals

> > > so that they are functioning normally means you sleep)

> > >

> > > I know I'm an extreme... but, since I am an extreme (as in

> extreme

> > low

> > > hormone levels from having no thyroid function, low on meds

for

> > sooo many

> > > years, then having no meds.... things got really really bad) I

> > stopped

> > > dreaming, I was lucking to sleep two or three hours a night.

> Never

> > had

> > > dreams, had a lot of flashback nightmares.... and woke in

horrid

> > pain. So

> > > bad that sometimes I didn't even want to go to bed cause of

how

> > bad I'd

> > > be hurting in the morning.

> > >

> > > You know what the pain is from? Well, lots of things,

actually..

> > but what

> > > caused it to repeat day after day, week after week, year after

> > year was

> > > not getting into level four sleep. Broken sleep, short naps,

> > inconsistent

> > > sleep patterns, irregular hormone levels, all of that keeps

you

> > from

> > > getting to level four.. Level four is recuperative sleep. The

> > state at

> > > which our bodies heal, repair and grow... if we can't do that

> > daily...

> > > things accumulate... Then we meet our 'new friend' Chronic

Pain.

> > >

> > > .... I'm getting rambly... I'll stop....

> > >

> > > Topper ()

> > >

> > > On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:38:08 -0000 " dawn prince "

<dwnprince@y...>

> > > writes:

> > >

> > > Hi ,

> > > Think I am going to read this one several times to get it all,

> but

> > I

> > > do have a question. At the moment the only way that I can

stay

> > > asleep or go back after a bathroom trip is to take sleeping

> > pills.

> > > I have been on them for the past few months and prior to that

> > would

> > > go to sleep but wake every 2 hours or so and then be up

sometimes

> > > for the rest of the night. The only reason that I gave in and

> got

> > > the pills was that one night I lost my cool because hubby was

> > > upstairs sleeping like a baby, so I got the stairs door and

> > slammed

> > > as hard as I could to wake him. It did!!!...... So am I just

> > > covering up a problem by taking the pills? I do feel less

> tired.

> > > Thanks

> > > Dawn

[Guest guest]

Hi and Dawn,

Have you tried taking Melatonin? found in health food sections of

grocery stores and health food stores.

It is a natural substance that normally occurs in our bodies when

the sun sets and builds until we sleep...I need only take 1 mg and I

am out for a good 8 hours...the bottle says that you can take 3 mg

to sleep...

Again we are just helping the body rest and supplement with

something that our bodies already produce.

I take mine at 9 pm and then try to hit the sack by 10, lights

out...I don't read or watch tv in the bedroom...The bedroom is only

for sleeping and clothing storage and changing room. So my body

knows by habit that when I hit the sack its time to sleep.

I read and watch the tv in the den or living room or kitchen, just

never in the bedroom.

Hope this helps....also a bottle of Meletonin is really cheap,

especially as compared to a man-made sleeping pill.

Gossimer

>

> Dawn,

>

> What brand of sleeping pills do you take?

>

>

>