Re: New labs - opinions please!!

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T3 - 125 (60-181)

Free T3 - 4.6 (2.4-4.2) High

Free T4 - 1.0 (0.9 - 1.8)

TSH - 0.13 (0.35 - 5.50) Low

Ferritin - 40 (10 - 291) Have been taking a lot of iron

Estradiol - 43 (50 - 240)

Estrone - 53 ( < 200)

Progesterone - 9.6 (4.1 - 23.7)

Testosterone - 75 (20-75)

Reverse T3 - 161 (90 - 350)

OK I see some conflicts here. First your T3/RT3 ratio is good. Your Ferritin of

course, needs to come up higher still adn may be causing symptoms still at this

level. Have you had it tested before and that was why you are taking iron? Is it

coming up since last testing? BOTH Progesterone and Estradiol are low. It is

unusual to have low estradiol with low cortisol and coul dmean you are taking

too much HC still. How is your BP? And are you graphing your temps?

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Ferritin came down, from 41, despite taking more iron. I now try to get in 2 -

28 mg. pills per day.

My bp - the bottom number usually rises, but the top number falls.

My temps. are kind of crazy, though I haven't done the three day charting yet.

But sometimes I'll take it once and five minutes later it's a different temp. -

don't know if that indicates anything.

The last few nights (even after reducing my Cytomel from 32.5 mcg. to 25 mcg.)

I feel hyper, with racing heart and high temps. It got up to 100.1 last night

and right now it's 99.7. I have no clue what is going on!

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T3 - 125 (60-181)

Free T3 - 4.6 (2.4-4.2) High

Free T4 - 1.0 (0.9 - 1.8)

TSH - 0.13 (0.35 - 5.50) Low

Ferritin - 40 (10 - 291) Have been taking a lot of iron

Estradiol - 43 (50 - 240)

Estrone - 53 ( < 200)

Progesterone - 9.6 (4.1 - 23.7)

Testosterone - 75 (20-75)

Reverse T3 - 161 (90 - 350)

OK I see some conflicts here. First your T3/RT3 ratio is good. Your Ferritin of

course, needs to come up higher still adn may be causing symptoms still at this

level. Have you had it tested before and that was why you are taking iron? Is it

coming up since last testing? BOTH Progesterone and Estradiol are low. It is

unusual to have low estradiol with low cortisol and coul dmean you are taking

too much HC still. How is your BP? And are you graphing your temps?

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Those high temps could indicate a thyroid dump and if it continues ai

would lower thyroi deven more til ti stops.

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Is it strange that they only happen at night, or would T3 maybe be peaking then?

I take my last dose of thyroid usually at 3:30.

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Those high temps could indicate a thyroid dump and if it continues ai

would lower thyroi deven more til ti stops.

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>>Is it strange that they only happen at night, or would T3 maybe be peaking

then? I take my last dose of thyroid usually at 3:30.<<

It could be you are getting hypo at night! T3 in healthy people peaks near

midnight, so a bedtime dose might helpo stop this.

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I'm a little confused......if I'm having these hyper symptoms at night, why

would I take more T3 at night?

wrote: >>Is it strange that

they only happen at night, or would T3 maybe be peaking then? I take my last

dose of thyroid usually at 3:30.<<

It could be you are getting hypo at night! T3 in healthy people peaks near

midnight, so a bedtime dose might helpo stop this.

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Because hyper symptoms at night is probably adrenal stress from going

hypo at night.

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Oh my goodness, Val - this is complicated (for me)!

So if I am taking 1 grain Westhroid and 30 mcg. Cytomel, do you have a

recommendation for a dosing schedule to avoid the problems at night? Here's

what I'm doing right now:

7:30 - 7.5 mg. HC; 0.5 mg. Florinef; 1/2 grain W.T.; 12.5 mcg. Cytomel

11:30 - 7.5 mg. HC; 1/2 grain W.T.; 7.5 mcg. Cytomel

3:30 - 5 mg. HC; 5 mcg. Cytomel

Bedtime - 2.5 mg. HC

T wrote:

Because hyper symptoms at night is probably adrenal stress from going

hypo at night.

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7:30 - 7.5 mg. HC; 0.5 mg. Florinef; 1/2 grain W.T.; 12.5 mcg. Cytomel

11:30 - 7.5 mg. HC; 1/2 grain W.T.; 7.5 mcg. Cytomel

3:30 - 5 mg. HC; 5 mcg. Cytomel

Bedtime - 2.5 mg. HC

Very simple move to 4 even doses of Cytomel throughout the day say 7 am, Noon,

5PM and Bedtime. Each dose 7.5mcg.

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ok, and one more question before I make that change.

If I'm become Hypo at night and that's the reason for the high temps. and

jitttery feeling, why are my labs for T3 showing it over the top of the range

(testing done more than 12 hours after my last T3 dose)?

wrote:

7:30 - 7.5 mg. HC; 0.5 mg. Florinef; 1/2 grain W.T.; 12.5 mcg. Cytomel

11:30 - 7.5 mg. HC; 1/2 grain W.T.; 7.5 mcg. Cytomel

3:30 - 5 mg. HC; 5 mcg. Cytomel

Bedtime - 2.5 mg. HC

Very simple move to 4 even doses of Cytomel throughout the day say 7 am, Noon,

5PM and Bedtime. Each dose 7.5mcg.

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bump.

FortyNine wrote: ok, and one more question

before I make that change.

If I'm become Hypo at night and that's the reason for the high temps. and

jitttery feeling, why are my labs for T3 showing it over the top of the range

(testing done more than 12 hours after my last T3 dose)?

wrote:

7:30 - 7.5 mg. HC; 0.5 mg. Florinef; 1/2 grain W.T.; 12.5 mcg. Cytomel

11:30 - 7.5 mg. HC; 1/2 grain W.T.; 7.5 mcg. Cytomel

3:30 - 5 mg. HC; 5 mcg. Cytomel

Bedtime - 2.5 mg. HC

Very simple move to 4 even doses of Cytomel throughout the day say 7 am, Noon,

5PM and Bedtime. Each dose 7.5mcg.

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>>If I'm become Hypo at night and that's the reason for the high temps. and

jitttery feeling, why are my labs for T3 showing it over the top of the range

(testing done more than 12 hours after my last T3 dose)?<<

On this dose of thyroid it is literally impossible to be hyperthyroid. High T3

labs would indicate low cortisol. In other words all the htyroid in your blood

gives you afdrenal stress btu without enough cortiosl it is not getting to the

cells ot cause true hyperthyroid. Evening the dose out reduces adrenal stress.

Hopefully this will help more of the thyroid to get to the cells to actually

work rather than sittin g in thew blood causeing bad symptoms.

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So, would this explain why (even though some of the " hyper " symptoms have gone

away with the lower dosages of T3) some of my other symptoms that I had prior to

treatment, that had gone away at the higher doses of T3, are now back?

wrote: >>If I'm become Hypo

at night and that's the reason for the high temps. and jitttery feeling, why are

my labs for T3 showing it over the top of the range (testing done more than 12

hours after my last T3 dose)?<<

On this dose of thyroid it is literally impossible to be hyperthyroid. High T3

labs would indicate low cortisol. In other words all the htyroid in your blood

gives you afdrenal stress btu without enough cortiosl it is not getting to the

cells ot cause true hyperthyroid. Evening the dose out reduces adrenal stress.

Hopefully this will help more of the thyroid to get to the cells to actually

work rather than sittin g in thew blood causeing bad symptoms.

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>>So, would this explain why (even though some of the " hyper " symptoms have gone

away with the lower dosages of T3) some of my other symptoms that I had prior to

treatment, that had gone away at the higher doses of T3, are now back?<<

Yes. Holding at the lower dose till some cortiosl reserves are built is what I

would do in this situation or raise HC.

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I just wonder why every time I've tried to raise to 25 mg. HC (tried it three

times now, at varying dosages of thyroid), I have horrendous symptoms. It's

such a dramatic change that it's hard to comprehend.

The first time I tried it I wasn't taking any thyroid meds., the second time I

don't remember for sure but it was less than this last time, which was 1 grain

of Westhroid and 32.5 mcg. of Cytomel.

T wrote:

>>So, would this explain why (even though some of the " hyper " symptoms

have gone away with the lower dosages of T3) some of my other symptoms that I

had prior to treatment, that had gone away at the higher doses of T3, are now

back?<<

Yes. Holding at the lower dose till some cortiosl reserves are built is what I

would do in this situation or raise HC.

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Why do my responses keep ending up in " bulk mail " ?

FortyNine wrote: I just wonder why every

time I've tried to raise to 25 mg. HC (tried it three times now, at varying

dosages of thyroid), I have horrendous symptoms. It's such a dramatic change

that it's hard to comprehend.

The first time I tried it I wasn't taking any thyroid meds., the second time I

don't remember for sure but it was less than this last time, which was 1 grain

of Westhroid and 32.5 mcg. of Cytomel.

T wrote:

>>So, would this explain why (even though some of the " hyper " symptoms have gone

away with the lower dosages of T3) some of my other symptoms that I had prior to

treatment, that had gone away at the higher doses of T3, are now back?<<

Yes. Holding at the lower dose till some cortiosl reserves are built is what I

would do in this situation or raise HC.

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>>Why do my responses keep ending up in " bulk mail " ?<<

Are oyu reading at the website or your email program? It has to do with your

email settings. I turn off all spam filters and do not have problems.

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OK Val - thanks. I'll look into that. Did you see the message about trying to

raise my HC? It was right below my question about the bulk mail.

T wrote: >>Why do my responses

keep ending up in " bulk mail " ?<<

Are oyu reading at the website or your email program? It has to do with your

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>>I just wonder why every time I've tried to raise to 25 mg. HC (tried it three

times now, at varying dosages of thyroid), I have horrendous symptoms. It's

such a dramatic change that it's hard to comprehend.<<

Describe the symptoms. It is either a thyroid dump or too much cortisol.

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allergies seem worse

crusty eyes and nose

puffy eyes, dark cirlces

weak, fatigued

dizzy, spacy

sleep gets thrown off big time - can't get to sleep and oversleep like crazy.

T wrote:

>>I just wonder why every time I've tried to raise to 25 mg. HC (tried

it three times now, at varying dosages of thyroid), I have horrendous symptoms.

It's such a dramatic change that it's hard to comprehend.<<

Describe the symptoms. It is either a thyroid dump or too much cortisol.

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Oh and I forgot to mention lost appetite and nausea

T wrote: >>I just wonder why every

time I've tried to raise to 25 mg. HC (tried it three times now, at varying

dosages of thyroid), I have horrendous symptoms. It's such a dramatic change

that it's hard to comprehend.<<

Describe the symptoms. It is either a thyroid dump or too much cortisol.

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>>allergies seem worse

crusty eyes and nose

puffy eyes, dark cirlces

weak, fatigued

dizzy, spacy

sleep gets thrown off big time - can't get to sleep and oversleep like crazy.

<<

BAD DOSING! This is ACTH supression. If you dose properly you shoudl not get

these symptoms.

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And it will change this much with just a 2.5 mg. increase??

My dosing HC went from:

7.5-7.5-5-52.5

to

10-7.5-5.2.5

And then all these crazy symptoms. I thought that was a good rhythm?

wrote:

>>allergies seem worse

crusty eyes and nose

puffy eyes, dark cirlces

weak, fatigued

dizzy, spacy

sleep gets thrown off big time - can't get to sleep and oversleep like crazy. <<

BAD DOSING! This is ACTH supression. If you dose properly you shoudl not get

these symptoms.

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7.5-7.5-5-52.5

to

10-7.5-5.2.5

I know it is not much of a change, but YES even a small cahnge if it supresses

ACTH too much can do this. I would go to 7.5 - 7.5 - 5 - 5

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I did already go back to that level about a week ago. And what is weird is that

this is when the worst jitteriness and high temps at night happened, after that

change.

So the current HC rhtyhm I'm on in addition to spreading out the thyroid

dosages evenly over the day will take care of the ACTH suppression? Am I

understading correctly?

wrote:

7.5-7.5-5-52.5

to

10-7.5-5.2.5

I know it is not much of a change, but YES even a small cahnge if it supresses

ACTH too much can do this. I would go to 7.5 - 7.5 - 5 - 5

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