Re: Question for people with kidney problems

September 26, 2007

Sounds like a low protein, low potassium diet. I wonder how these things

harm the kidneys.

Becky

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Subject: Question for people with kidney problems

Hi,

Could someone tell me what all a person that has kidney problems not suppose

to eat and what can they eat? I was told by my kidney doctor to stay from

all dairy products, eat 1 piece of meat a day about the size of the palm of

my hand, no banana, orange or potato, no dark soda and no salt. I just

wanted to know if there more and what can I have.

Otis Blue

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September 26, 2007

When I was first diagnosed with ckd (chronic kidney disease) back in the early

90s, which was also when I was diagnosed with high blood pressure, I was told to

watch my intake of protein. This meant of course meat and dairy products.

However, I don't know if it has been disproved, but in my own life over the past

number of years, I no longer concern myself to much with protein intake. If

anything, I have increased it since it helps slow down quick acting carbohydrate

absorption. Having said that, I do not eat large portions of meat or dairy

products. You may recall that the Bernstein program is very high on eating meat

in lieu of quick carbohydrates. It may be safe to say the jury is out, but it

may also be a pretty safe assumption to say it may be that protein is not as

injurious to those with ckd as it once was thought. BTW, my creatine clearance

(which is one of the blood tests you should have performed regularly) was

something over 3 in the early 90s when I was first diagnosed, but is now running

1.6. This is about 50% kidney function. This is despite my increased protein

intake over the past number of years. So, I don't know what else to say, and it

may depend on your creatin clearance, but it may be that you'll just have to

indulge in some trial and error prior to your next blood work. hth

Dave

Question for people with kidney problems

Hi,

Could someone tell me what all a person that has kidney problems not suppose

to eat and what can they eat? I was told by my kidney doctor to stay from

all dairy products, eat 1 piece of meat a day about the size of the palm of

my hand, no banana, orange or potato, no dark soda and no salt. I just

wanted to know if there more and what can I have.

Otis Blue

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September 26, 2007

What I was told was that protein molecules are supposedly the largest of

molecules. When they pass through the kidneys, well, they put extra stress on

them. As my previous message indicates, I don't know how valid protein

restriction with those with ckd is today, and it may depend mostly on the extent

of the disease, but probably what I mentioned about the size of molecules does

not reflect the latest thinking.

Dave

Question for people with kidney problems

Hi,

Could someone tell me what all a person that has kidney problems not suppose

to eat and what can they eat? I was told by my kidney doctor to stay from

all dairy products, eat 1 piece of meat a day about the size of the palm of

my hand, no banana, orange or potato, no dark soda and no salt. I just

wanted to know if there more and what can I have.

Otis Blue

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September 26, 2007

I don't recall if you have mentioned you have cdk (chronic kidney disease) which

is to say your creatin clearance is in the high range, or if you have high blood

pressure. If so, are you being treated for your high bp?

Dave

Question for people with kidney problems

Hi,

Could someone tell me what all a person that has kidney problems not suppose

to eat and what can they eat? I was told by my kidney doctor to stay from

all dairy products, eat 1 piece of meat a day about the size of the palm of

my hand, no banana, orange or potato, no dark soda and no salt. I just

wanted to know if there more and what can I have.

Otis Blue

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September 26, 2007

Hi,

Yes I do have CKD. My creatin was something like 4.5 or something like

when I asked last week. I do have high blood pressure but I got it under

control with meds. I'm on the heavy side but for the last week or 2 I have

been losing weight and my sugars is now in the range of 90 to 150. I'm

working on trying to keep it down to at least 120 but it's way better then

it use to be.

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Re: Question for people with kidney problems

I don't recall if you have mentioned you have cdk (chronic kidney disease)

which is to say your creatin clearance is in the high range, or if you have

high blood pressure. If so, are you being treated for your high bp?

Dave

Question for people with kidney problems

Hi,

Could someone tell me what all a person that has kidney problems not suppose

to eat and what can they eat? I was told by my kidney doctor to stay from

all dairy products, eat 1 piece of meat a day about the size of the palm of

my hand, no banana, orange or potato, no dark soda and no salt. I just

wanted to know if there more and what can I have.

Otis Blue

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September 26, 2007

Way to go Otis! The best treatment for kidney problems is to be sure to keep

that bs level in the normal range. Keep on with the good stuff.

Question for people with kidney problems

Hi,

Could someone tell me what all a person that has kidney problems not suppose

to eat and what can they eat? I was told by my kidney doctor to stay from

all dairy products, eat 1 piece of meat a day about the size of the palm of

my hand, no banana, orange or potato, no dark soda and no salt. I just

wanted to know if there more and what can I have.

Otis Blue

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53218-4349

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September 26, 2007

Hi,

Yes I do have CKD. My creatin was something like 4.5 or something like

when I asked last week. I do have high blood pressure but I got it under

control with meds. I'm on the heavy side but for the last week or 2 I have

been losing weight and my sugars is now in the range of 90 to 150. I'm

working on trying to keep it down to at least 120 but it's way better then

it use to be.

Otis Blue

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Re: Question for people with kidney problems

I don't recall if you have mentioned you have cdk (chronic kidney disease)

which is to say your creatin clearance is in the high range, or if you have

high blood pressure. If so, are you being treated for your high bp?

Dave

Question for people with kidney problems

Hi,

Could someone tell me what all a person that has kidney problems not suppose

to eat and what can they eat? I was told by my kidney doctor to stay from

all dairy products, eat 1 piece of meat a day about the size of the palm of

my hand, no banana, orange or potato, no dark soda and no salt. I just

wanted to know if there more and what can I have.

Otis Blue

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September 26, 2007

I wish I had copied the recent research article I read regarding protein

consumption and CKD. So I am recalling here from memory, which is not as good

as a copy of the original article. The gist of the research seemed to indicate

that restricted protein consummption is not as critical as it once was thought

to be. The most important indicator for preventing kidney deterioration is

keeping the carb consumption low, so the kidneys do not have to work so hard and

frequently at filtering excess sugar in the blood stream. So I gathered the

best treatment was to restrict carb consumption to acceptable levels that can be

easily and readily handled with insulin injections. Low daily total grams carb

consumption is the best way to go. This would be true for the treatment of CKD

as well as prevention of CKD, especially if one is a diabetic. Personally, for

me I have noticed that on those days when I indulge in excess carb consumption,

I also have to make a lot more visits to the bathroom to urinate. I do not

know if this is something that is just peculiar to me or not, but if others have

a similar experience like this, maybe they can let us know. I try to keep my

total daily grams of carbs around 65-75 grams of carbs. When I keep it at

around 50-60 total grams of carbs per day frequency of urination is noticeably

lower. Is it this way for others here?

Question for people with kidney problems

Hi,

Could someone tell me what all a person that has kidney problems not suppose

to eat and what can they eat? I was told by my kidney doctor to stay from

all dairy products, eat 1 piece of meat a day about the size of the palm of

my hand, no banana, orange or potato, no dark soda and no salt. I just

wanted to know if there more and what can I have.

Otis Blue

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September 26, 2007

Harry,

I tend to, as you describe it, make more trips to the bathroom, when my bg is

running high. This of course could be connected to increased carbohydrate

consumption, but not just carbohydrates. What was it used to say? It

had to do with a kind of analogy about bigger something and bigger problems,

versus, smaller something and smaller problems. Well, on those days where I

have eaten smaller portions and may not have taken much extra insulin I do tend

to feel better including less trips to the little boys room.

Dave

Question for people with kidney problems

Hi,

Could someone tell me what all a person that has kidney problems not suppose

to eat and what can they eat? I was told by my kidney doctor to stay from

all dairy products, eat 1 piece of meat a day about the size of the palm of

my hand, no banana, orange or potato, no dark soda and no salt. I just

wanted to know if there more and what can I have.

Otis Blue

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September 26, 2007

Hello Otis,

Your nepthrolgist has probably told you how important it is to have good blood

pressure control which I assume you are taking steps toward. You will probably

seee that creatine clearance drop some as your blood pressure stays in the low

range, but keeping on with getting your weight down is very much a part of

better kidney health and overall better diabetic health also. Your age and how

long you have been poorly controlled are probably factors, not to mention good

old genetics. Hang in there and good work in getting going with losing weight.

It can't be easy, but you can do it if you put your mind to it. Oh, when I was

first diagnosed with high blood pressure, in consideration of my kidney

dysfunction, my nepthrolgist told me he wanted me to be " uncomfortable " at times

as far as my blood pressure is concerned. This meant, sometimes for example,

when bending over and then standing up, I might feel slightly dizzy. This does

happen, and is a reminder to me that my bp is on the low side of normal, but the

best thing is to have a home blood pressure testing device which can be

purchased fairly cheaply. I don't know if you have anyone sighted around

however who could read it, but perhaps you can find a neighbor or somehow get it

checked other than only every few months. Perhaps there is a talking bp testing

unit.

Dave

Question for people with kidney problems

Hi,

Could someone tell me what all a person that has kidney problems not suppose

to eat and what can they eat? I was told by my kidney doctor to stay from

all dairy products, eat 1 piece of meat a day about the size of the palm of

my hand, no banana, orange or potato, no dark soda and no salt. I just

wanted to know if there more and what can I have.

Otis Blue

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October 5, 2008

Hi,

I did too. I show hate it because these all are my favorites. Good thing I

only bought apples when I went to the store.

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RE: Question for people with kidney problems

Regarding the post on things to stay away from -

So this mean thing like below.

Bananas

Water Mellon

Cantalope

oranges

That's too bad man, I like all of these. I thought if anything these would

be good for you!

Bill Powers

October 5, 2008

In my case I can eat one item a week that is high in potassium. The body

does need some of it but if you are having trouble with your kidneys they

can't filter it out. Besides the things mentioned it also includes lemons,

limes, peaches, kiwi. Talk with your dietitian to get more info and they

should be able to give you a list of the things to stay away from.

RE: Question for people with kidney problems

Regarding the post on things to stay away from -

So this mean thing like below.

Bananas

Water Mellon

Cantalope

oranges

That's too bad man, I like all of these. I thought if anything these would

be good for you!

Bill Powers

October 5, 2008

In my case I can eat one item a week that is high in potassium. The body

does need some of it but if you are having trouble with your kidneys they

can't filter it out. Besides the things mentioned it also includes lemons,

limes, peaches, kiwi. Talk with your dietitian to get more info and they

should be able to give you a list of the things to stay away from.

RE: Question for people with kidney problems

Regarding the post on things to stay away from -

So this mean thing like below.

Bananas

Water Mellon

Cantalope

oranges

That's too bad man, I like all of these. I thought if anything these would

be good for you!

Bill Powers

October 5, 2008

Otis,

Although I love these fruits, I don't get to eat them all the time, maybe

once a week, so I don't know if that will even hurt me any. Now I guess if I

ate them all the time, that would be a very different story.

Bill Powers

October 5, 2008

I wonder if there is any online list of things I should shy away from? I

don't have a dietitian (yet), but even so, there are so many that still

think old-school and I can't tell if they will give me good or bad info. I

have seen so many people even recently that were still given the " drink lots

of orange juice on sugar lows " line, this from dietitians that should know

better. It's scary.

Bill Powers

October 5, 2008

Yup, it's me, the bald-headed dude from Riverside. We had moved to Duarte

and just recently moved to Temple City. Bari is fine and working with the

Junior Blind of America. Her sister Robin lives next door to us. We're all

fine as we hope you and are.

Bill Powers

October 5, 2008

Dave,

Good point about avoiding fruits with high potassium, also good on your

other post about having fruits as a treat but not as a necessity.

I can't remember where I got this from, likely here on the list, that you

are better off BG-wise if you eat fruit along with something else, not by

itself. This is the only way I eat fruit and for me it seems to not have

much effect on my blood sugars this way. For example, I can get a " low

calorie plate " which will have cottage cheese, hamburger patty, perhaps a

few tomatoes, and cut-up fruit. This is a satisfying meal that barely raises

my blood glucose level after 30, 60 and 90 minutes, so at the 2 hour level

it's already been back to normal. Obviously, though, I don't want to eat

this same meal every day, but it does bear out that provided I don't gorge

myself on fruit, having it along with something else seems to bode well for

me.

Bill Powers

October 5, 2008

I think I first heard someone on this list talking about protein slowing down

the absorption of sugar into the blood system. I've found this to be true. I

try to always eat some form of protein with a meal and any snack--i.e. peanut

butter and crackers. Surprisingly, my creatine clearance, despite my ckd, has

dropped and has stayed constant. I still only have 50% kidney function, but the

addition of extra protein (mostly in the form of walnuts, peanuts, and several

eggs per week), seems to help keep bg levels from spiking as well as not harming

my creatine clearance.

Dave

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