Guest guest Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Hi 'C'Great that you're doing the diet therapy thing!! I've been on the BBD (Best Bet Diet) for the past 4ish years and would NEVER go back to how I used to eat.You will find more information on this 'MS' specific diet by going to www.direct-ms.org which was set up by the creator of this Scientifically proven approach (Ashton Embry) which isn't too different to Terry's dietary approach...it's just a little bit stricter. I'm absolutely positive you'll get plenty of support here to help you - another Yahoo group which might be of assistance to you is MS-Diet. It focuses on the BBD generally, but will help any way it can.Facebook is awash with 'MS' groups and many 'MS' dietary-focused ones at that.I hope this helps you a little....or a lot! 'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.' MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.) To: mscured From: brandtcar@... Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 04:05:01 +0000 Subject: help starting Wahl's I am just starting to use the lovely diet and lifestyle changes I heard about on a video by Terry Wahls. Would you like to help me with daily accountability? I am amazed how challenging I am finding this to do on my own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Hi, I'm following the Wahls diet and initially I found I was hungry all the time and lost weight, but after viewing the video again and following her in Facebook (great way of getting gentle reminders) I realise I had to dramatically increase the volume, '3 dinner plates piled high with greens'. Now I'm reaping the benefits and people are commenting that my walking is better after just 2 months :-) Good luck! S > > I am just starting to use the lovely diet and lifestyle changes I heard about on a video by Terry Wahls. Would you like to help me with daily accountability? I am amazed how challenging I am finding this to do on my own. > > Right now I am just trying to figure out a routine and overcome the fatigue and emotional resistance to change. > > Any and all input is most welcome. > C. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 http://www.terrywahls.com/_blog/Terry_Wahls%27_Blog/post/One_Way_to_Adopt_the_Wa\ hls_Diet%E2%84%A2/ If you haven't been to Terry's blog, there are recipes there plus she responds to people's questions. See link above. Hope it works. She also has a Facebook page I'm trying to eat a lot of kale too. I make a big salad for the family and try to eat it on top of a bed of kale. Or try to use kale as a bed for my main course. Best wishes, Carolyn > > I am just starting to use the lovely diet and lifestyle changes I heard about on a video by Terry Wahls. Would you like to help me with daily accountability? I am amazed how challenging I am finding this to do on my own. > > Right now I am just trying to figure out a routine and overcome the fatigue and emotional resistance to change. > > Any and all input is most welcome. > C. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Thanks. I am reading on it now. I had not heard of bbd. Thank for the encouraging words. > > > Hi 'C'Great that you're doing the diet therapy thing!! I've been on the BBD (Best Bet Diet) for the past 4ish years and would NEVER go back to how I used to eat.You will find more information on this 'MS' specific diet by going to www.direct-ms.org which was set up by the creator of this Scientifically proven approach (Ashton Embry) which isn't too different to Terry's dietary approach...it's just a little bit stricter. I'm absolutely positive you'll get plenty of support here to help you - another Yahoo group which might be of assistance to you is MS-Diet. It focuses on the BBD generally, but will help any way it can.Facebook is awash with 'MS' groups and many 'MS' dietary-focused ones at that.I hope this helps you a little....or a lot! > > 'What we do in life, echoes through eternity.' > MARCUS AURELIUS (121 - 180 A.D.) > > To: mscured > From: brandtcar@... > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 04:05:01 +0000 > Subject: help starting Wahl's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am just starting to use the lovely diet and lifestyle changes I heard about on a video by Terry Wahls. Would you like to help me with daily accountability? I am amazed how challenging I am finding this to do on my own. > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 I have my serious doubts whether Dr. wahls even had MS in the first place. more than likely LYME disease which is often misdiagnosed as MS and curable. People with serious MS do not get of the wheelchair by diet or even Dr. wahls diet. At best it will make you feel better as any good healthy diet will. I do wish those good luck with it though and please report back here if you are wheelchair bound or bed ridden and are now out of the wheelchair back to normal again after doing the diet etc by Dr. wahls... thanks russ > > > > I am just starting to use the lovely diet and lifestyle changes I heard about on a video by Terry Wahls. Would you like to help me with daily accountability? I am amazed how challenging I am finding this to do on my own. > > > > Right now I am just trying to figure out a routine and overcome the fatigue and emotional resistance to change. > > > > Any and all input is most welcome. > > C. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 So true maybe commercial exploitation of the vulnerable Best//PPMS/London ________________________________ To: mscured Sent: Wednesday, 29 February 2012, 0:31 Subject: Re: help starting Wahl's  I have my serious doubts whether Dr. wahls even had MS in the first place. more than likely LYME disease which is often misdiagnosed as MS and curable. People with serious MS do not get of the wheelchair by diet or even Dr. wahls diet. At best it will make you feel better as any good healthy diet will. I do wish those good luck with it though and please report back here if you are wheelchair bound or bed ridden and are now out of the wheelchair back to normal again after doing the diet etc by Dr. wahls... thanks russ > > > > I am just starting to use the lovely diet and lifestyle changes I heard about on a video by Terry Wahls. Would you like to help me with daily accountability? I am amazed how challenging I am finding this to do on my own. > > > > Right now I am just trying to figure out a routine and overcome the fatigue and emotional resistance to change. > > > > Any and all input is most welcome. > > C. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 My sentiments entirely Russ.I wrote to Wahls and asked her what she ate before (because she sure has lost weight) but she didn't answer.Good luck to her whatever got her in or out of her chair. Just hope she is happy. Janet To: mscured From: music@... Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:31:08 +0000 Subject: Re: help starting Wahl's I have my serious doubts whether Dr. wahls even had MS in the first place. more than likely LYME disease which is often misdiagnosed as MS and curable. People with serious MS do not get of the wheelchair by diet or even Dr. wahls diet. At best it will make you feel better as any good healthy diet will. > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 I've heard too many stories to believe it is not possible. I also look at the improvements I have made using diet and supplements. Anything is possible. Valery At 06:31 PM 2/28/2012, you wrote: > > > >I have my serious doubts whether Dr. wahls even >had MS in the first place. more than likely LYME >disease which is often misdiagnosed as MS and curable. > >People with serious MS do not get of the >wheelchair by diet or even Dr. wahls diet. At >best it will make you feel better as any good healthy diet will. > >I do wish those good luck with it though and >please report back here if you are wheelchair >bound or bed ridden and are now out of the >wheelchair back to normal again after doing the diet etc by Dr. wahls... > >thanks > >russ > > > > > > > > I am just starting to use the lovely diet > and lifestyle changes I heard about on a video > by Terry Wahls. Would you like to help me with > daily accountability? I am amazed how > challenging I am finding this to do on my own. > > > > > > Right now I am just trying to figure out a > routine and overcome the fatigue and emotional resistance to change. > > > > > > Any and all input is most welcome. > > > C. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 I believe diet changes can help. That is why some people do better on the best bet diet or a gluten free diet, or a raw food diet. Each individual has unique dietary needs. Subject: Re: Re: help starting Wahl's To: " mscured " <mscured > Cc: " LDN Group " <lowdosenaltrexone >, " LDN Users " <LDN_Users >, " LDNthyroid@... " , " LDNandIBD " <LDNandIBD >, " mscured " <mscured > Date: Wednesday, February 29, 2012, 8:21 AM  So true maybe commercial exploitation of the vulnerable Best//PPMS/London ________________________________ To: mscured Sent: Wednesday, 29 February 2012, 0:31 Subject: Re: help starting Wahl's  I have my serious doubts whether Dr. wahls even had MS in the first place. more than likely LYME disease which is often misdiagnosed as MS and curable. People with serious MS do not get of the wheelchair by diet or even Dr. wahls diet. At best it will make you feel better as any good healthy diet will. I do wish those good luck with it though and please report back here if you are wheelchair bound or bed ridden and are now out of the wheelchair back to normal again after doing the diet etc by Dr. wahls... thanks russ > > > > I am just starting to use the lovely diet and lifestyle changes I heard about on a video by Terry Wahls. Would you like to help me with daily accountability? I am amazed how challenging I am finding this to do on my own. > > > > Right now I am just trying to figure out a routine and overcome the fatigue and emotional resistance to change. > > > > Any and all input is most welcome. > > C. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Yes i would be surprised if you ever get an answer back from her. There are people every now and then that post even here claiming diet reversed the symptoms of MS. I wish it were true but very doigbtfull. at best a good healthy diet and food combining etc etc. might slow down MS for a while. These people unfortunately don't see all the people with MS that have been ther done that and wrote the book on diet an food yet still got worse and died or are no longer able to talk eat or communicate. everytime these people will simply say " oh what works for one person may not work for another " . i see that as a total cop out. it either works for MS or it doesn't. promote good healthy diet? absolutley! behind it very time 100%. But posting claims that you reversed your MS symptoms and got out of your whelchair with MS never to return? really? and just with good healthy eating and positive thinking? Like i have said in my past posts my wife whilst hasn't tried every thing she did do acupuncture, more diets than you can poke a stick at, exercise, herbs, homeopathy, naturopathy, and the list just goes on and on and on and thousands of dollars later she is bed ridden being fed through a tube. so please forgive me if i don't believe these people without good evidence that they even had MS in the first place. I have always said MS is man made disease and it will do what it wants to do whenever it wants to do it. the best i have seen people with TRUE MS is to slow it down a bit or experience better exacerbation recovery. but reveresed sypmtoms never to return? still waiting for that cure! I dont want to come across negative here as i am a firm beleiver in diet and HERBS. I also beleive once a HERB is found or combination of HERB is found it WILL CURE " EVERYONE " with MS not just what seems to be selective peole with MS. So i do beleive there is a cure out there but i will not follow willy nilly people making huge claims without any real evidence to back it up. russ > > > My sentiments entirely Russ.I wrote to Wahls and asked her what she ate before (because she sure has lost weight) but she didn't answer.Good luck to her whatever got her in or out of her chair. Just hope she is happy. > Janet To: mscured > From: music@... > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:31:08 +0000 > Subject: Re: help starting Wahl's > > > I have my serious doubts whether Dr. wahls even had MS in the first place. more than likely LYME disease which is often misdiagnosed as MS and curable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Dr. Wahls is not cured. She is still affected by whatever she has. She has improved significantly. Also, she is doing electrical nerve stimulation which I am not familiar with. So it is not just diet. Her talk about healing on a cellular level which is on TED is similar to the video whose link was recently posted on this forum about detox. The 44 minute video by Jack Tips " Detox Done Right " (apple-a-day website), explains in detail how the cells can stop working through autoimmune problems and other problems,and only by getting the cells healed will the mitochondria work well again. Dr. Wahls is referring to similar things in her talks and book Minding my mitochondria. > > > > > > I am just starting to use the lovely diet and lifestyle changes I heard about on a video by Terry Wahls. Would you like to help me with daily accountability? I am amazed how challenging I am finding this to do on my own. > > > > > > Right now I am just trying to figure out a routine and overcome the fatigue and emotional resistance to change. > > > > > > Any and all input is most welcome. > > > C. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 my last post never made it? oh well. yes my wife did electrical nerve stimulation back in the ealry 90's. TENS they called it. and also electrical acupuncture and proper detox. the problem with Dr wahls for me is the claim she has " MS " and was able to get back out of the wheelchair. Also most of the MS claims are always followed by " buy my book " buy " my video " buy my " products " etc etc. I mean take a look at the CCSVI and the money being made out of that. I would like to see more claims by people who are not trying to sell something or is not a Dr or practitioner saying listen to me and buy my product. all good diets be it in the form of herbs, food combining, raw food etc heal on the cellular level so nothing new there. In fact the human cells renew themselves every 7-10 year need to be considered also. once again you might find some people reporting some good changes but then never hear from them again. russ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 I agree with you anything is possible. I too have heard and read in the thousands of stories over the last 20 years. My wife also appeared to make improvements with Diet and every other alternative treatment under the sun. And she too told people about her improvements. But it didn't last. So yes my wife had improvements. but those improvements are now all gone. In fact i even witnessed her get up off the practitioners table and walk 2 km's after receiving some acupuncture and energy healing treatment. I carried her in and she walk out. she was totally wheelchair bound and could not barley move. We even travelled to another country and went on bush walks. it lasted 3 months and then was all gone back to wheelchair bound. In fact if my wife were able to write about her success stories when she had them you would not see any follow up years later and would be lead to believe that she was still ok and successful when the exact opposite happened. she is unable to write and report that these success stories ended up not being successful over time. Just as you will not hear again from other success stories here and every where else on the internet. but yes i am still hopeful and think anything is possible too. russ > > > > > > > >I have my serious doubts whether Dr. wahls even > >had MS in the first place. more than likely LYME > >disease which is often misdiagnosed as MS and curable. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 do you have some guesses why she improved and then it did not last? Funny that it should be suggested T. Wahls was misdiagnosed. I wondered the same. Nonetheless, she seems to have recovered alot. Thanks for the honest feedback. > > > > > > > > > > > >I have my serious doubts whether Dr. wahls even > > >had MS in the first place. more than likely LYME > > >disease which is often misdiagnosed as MS and curable. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Russ, I have not had an attack in 6 years sound like something is helping? I have also regained quite a bit of what I lost in the last attack. I rarely talk about anything, I just read to learn more. I have a diet, supplements and I desperately need to get back to Tai Chi. I will not say I'm cured, I still have symptoms and some of them are a problem, but I am enough improved to do most of what I want to do. As we see from the mind boggling collection of symptoms, ms is a very diverse disease. People are affected differently so it makes sense that something would work for some people and not others. Look at other diseases, there are always several different drugs so that it one doesn't work another might. Keep in mind that diet is very subjective and not everyone is willing to give up the foods we have to give up to be healthy. Others do not want to take the supplements and it all expensive. I hope your wife finds what she needs. I wish I could make recommendations, but I did not get to the point of being in a chair. The improvements I have made took years (4+), nothing happened immediately and I live with the knowledge that I could lose it all overnight. Valery At 10:42 PM 2/29/2012, you wrote: > > >I agree with you anything is possible. I too >have heard and read in the thousands of stories over the last 20 years. > >My wife also appeared to make improvements with >Diet and every other alternative treatment under >the sun. And she too told people about her >improvements. But it didn't last. So yes my wife >had improvements. but those improvements are now all gone. > >In fact i even witnessed her get up off the >practitioners table and walk 2 km's after >receiving some acupuncture and energy healing >treatment. I carried her in and she walk out. >she was totally wheelchair bound and could not >barley move. We even travelled to another country and went on bush walks. > >it lasted 3 months and then was all gone back to wheelchair bound. > >In fact if my wife were able to write about her >success stories when she had them you would not >see any follow up years later and would be lead >to believe that she was still ok and successful >when the exact opposite happened. > >she is unable to write and report that these >success stories ended up not being successful >over time. Just as you will not hear again from >other success stories here and every where else on the internet. > >but yes i am still hopeful and think anything is possible too. > >russ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I have my serious doubts whether Dr. wahls even > > >had MS in the first place. more than likely LYME > > >disease which is often misdiagnosed as MS and curable. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Hi groupies. I'm back from Texas and I have a few things to report. I've been eating the Wahl's plan as it fits in with what my Functional Neurologist prescribed after several tests. Not all of what Terry recommends is good for me. I should not drink green tea (no more kombucha) or nutritional yeast (I really liked it on Wahl's kale chips). My diet is closer to the BBD except that I am to eat more fats from grass-fed meat and coconuts. I can eat low glycemic fruits, no dairy (incl. eggs) and no grains, nuts and seeds or nightshade " vegetables " . I still eat lacto-fermented vegetables and water kefir. Bananas, mangos and pineapples are off the list forever. I had some really low days where I tested my blood sugar to see if that had anything to do with how I felt (I thought it could be hypo-glycemia). It was 248 one day and my soon to be, diabetic, brother in-law said if his blood saugar was that high he would be hospitalized. I ate a Hershey's kiss that day! No more chocolate (milk chocolate anyway). I have never fallen so much as I did eating three cups of veggies at every meal. It was like extreme detox. I even had an emoltional detox! I lowered the quantity of food that I ate because I feel better when I eat less at a time and more often. I had a terrible accident while cooking where I pulled the hot pan onto my lap. I have second and third degree burns on my thighs and stomach. Ouch! I was taken to the emergency room and the nurse there gave me morphine while was telling her not to. I was a wild woman that day. I have a follow up in a couple of weeks and more tests but the great thing about this doctor is that I talk to him by phone and I don't have to go back to his office in Dallas. We're working on inflammation and balancing Th1 and Th2 (immune system) at the moment. This is because I have Hashimoto's evidenced by the TPO and TGB antibodies found in my blood. More later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Hope you are improving, . What is wrong with nutritional yeast and green tea (for you and your functional neurologist)? I try to buy nutritional that is not a byproduct of beer making so it is gluten free. It is high in B12 and other B Vitamins, that's why I use it.Thanks, Carolyn > > > Hi groupies. I'm back from Texas and I have a few things to report. I've been eating the Wahl's plan as it fits in with what my Functional Neurologist prescribed after several tests. Not all of what Terry recommends is good for me. I should not drink green tea (no more kombucha) or nutritional yeast (I really liked it on Wahl's kale chips). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 I can only guess that the energy healing she got was enough to give her body boost but was unable to overcome the forceful progress of the MS. I believe MS is just like a ticking time bomb that will progress when it wants to progress regardless of any treatment anyone takes. This is the only reason why people experience different rates of progress. This is also why I believe it appears to some people that certain treatments work for only certain people. Its not the treatment having an effect but rather the rate of progression for that persons MS. You don't control MS it controls you. And the sense of feeling better will always occur initially because you are digesting something that is completely new to you. That's not to say don't bother with healthy eating and herbs and vitamins. On the contrary. I encourage people with MS to do so because when you do get worse you will need your body to be as healthy as possible to fight off 4 common issues with MS as you get worse. And that is phenomena UTI's, colds-flus, pressure sores. To avoid these issues and or prevent them the taking herbs and nutrition will greatly improve your chances of surviving health issues. I lost count how many times my wife has had pneumonia which she has had over 25-30 times. It's only the last few years I have manages to slow those issues down to almost nothing by way of HERBS. So does she feel better for taking particular HERBS? Yep she sure does. But has it reversed the effects of MS? No at all. I have seen people that have very very slow progression of MS and may never get any worse than a walking stick after 40 years of MS. This is not a result of taking some special herb or diet. This is a result of MS will progress at its own pace for that individual. Once again this is why it " appears " to some people that when they take treatment they feel better and symptoms seem to go away. It's only the MS not yet progressing. Which is why I believe when a cure for MS is found it WILL CURE EVERYONE with MS not just selectively work for one person and not another. My wife lead a healthy life style and was extremely fit and could run rings around me. she used to ride horses, water polo, tai chi, excercise in general etc... I don't have any answers and i can only continue on searching for a cure and any " real " evidence of anyone having reversed the effects of MS. thats yet to happen. The only answers i do have is how to care for someone with end stages MS 24/7 which is something most people dont hear about or talk about but beleive me there a lot of people out there with end stage MS that comes after secondary progressive MS. And it is these people that have tried all of the diets, and so called cures that yo never hear from again. and are still desperate to find a cure. And being brushed of with words like " oh it only works for some people but not others " is a total cop out as i have said before. It makes these people feel like they are being dismissed that they simply just havent tried hard enough or wern't positive enough etc. But when you care for someone 24/7 and see it every single day of your life just how hard they tried and kept trying it makes me sick when i hear people so those words and it couldnt be further from the truth. in the past when i had to feed my wife half a tea spoon of water at a time that took 4 hours to get her enough water in her for her only to smile thank me that she got to drink water today you will see where i am coming from. I brought her back from starvation 19kg/41pound to 53KG/116pounds when everyone else gave up and was ecpected to die back in 1998. It may have taken a gruelling 4-5 years but she did it and got through some of the worst things i have ever seen anyone go through in their life. going from being unconscious most of the day because when you wake up you can only scream with pain until you fall unconscious to a healthy weight and being awake all day and very healthy is no easy feat. So if that's not trying hard enough I don't know what is. Her MS has not reversed but her health is good as she is not sick anymore. Sorry if I have repeated myself here on some things but I don't know who is reading and may find what I have to say useful. russ > > > > I agree with you anything is possible. I too have heard and read in the thousands of stories over the last 20 years. > > > > My wife also appeared to make improvements with Diet and every other alternative treatment under the sun. And she too told people about her improvements. But it didn't last. So yes my wife had improvements. but those improvements are now all gone. > > > > In fact i even witnessed her get up off the practitioners table and walk 2 km's after receiving some acupuncture and energy healing treatment. I carried her in and she walk out. she was totally wheelchair bound and could not barley move. We even travelled to another country and went on bush walks. > > > > it lasted 3 months and then was all gone back to wheelchair bound. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Yeast foods are bad for me, even mushrooms (and kombucha SCOBYs) but by the time we got to that point my time was up. I'll ask more on the next call. He liked that I was taking B vitamins maybe not nutritional yeast as a source. All tea stimulates my immune system and an early goal is to create balance in my gut. > > > Hope you are improving, . What is wrong with nutritional yeast and green tea (for you and your functional neurologist)? I try to buy nutritional that is not a byproduct of beer making so it is gluten free. It is high in B12 and other B Vitamins, that's why I use it.Thanks, Carolyn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 that's good to hear of your improvements. my wife also took time to see improvements over many years too between 1984-1993. even her attacks were many years apart to start with. Certainly prior to 1984 attacks were like 5-6 years apart. then 5 years then 3 i think it was and so on. your story is all too familiar as it is with others that experience what appears to be getting better in between attacks. when the attacks get more frequent and closer together the recovery and any improvements slowly disappear. that explanation is more in my other post which hasn't been moderated yet and posted. i will let you read that post when it appears so it might become more clear on what i am saying. or not i totally disagree with this statement that people commonly make the mistake of believing " People > are affected differently so it makes sense that > something would work for some people and not > others. " that statement is often said by many. what works for some and not others has nothing to do with the actual MS itself. what " appears " to be working and reversing MS in some people is nothing more than good sudden influx of nutrition into your body be it in the way of vitamins, herbs, diet, exercise etc etc. it then wears off. if it effected the reversal of MS in any way everyone would stay " better " and continue to get better until all MS is gone. but instead the truth is no one ever stays better or continues on to get better and stay better over time. Not true MS hopefully my other post will get published here soon. if you were to see my wife in the year 2000 and then see her now you would be convinced 100% that she is better and her MS is far improved to what she was. when in fact that couldn't be further from the truth. even doctors that see my wife now that didn't know her back then think she is slowly getting worse. but when i say she is actually better in general health now than she was 10 years ago they find it hard to believe that she was only 19 KG in weight and unconscious most of the day. and i have all the photos and video proof which I keep because of other reasons you probably don't want to know about yet on what happens in hospitals when you are this sick. depending on your country of course to what the will do. but that's another discussion in itself So it sounds like she got better even though she is still end stage MS. her constitution or health in general got better and rarely sick anymore. but no reversal of MS at all. i do hope your " better " stage lasts a long time and stay in good health. russ > > Russ, > > I have not had an attack in 6 years sound like > something is helping? I have also regained quite > a bit of what I lost in the last attack. I > rarely talk about anything, I just read to learn > more. I have a diet, supplements and I > desperately need to get back to Tai Chi. I will > not say I'm cured, I still have symptoms and some > of them are a problem, but I am enough improved > to do most of what I want to do. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 electric nerve stimulation & tens machine are 2 different machines and usage. they do not react on muscle or the acupunctre points in the same way. ....Love is space and time measured by the heart. Marcel Proust JOEY-DEAN To: mscured From: music@... Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 04:16:43 +0000 Subject: Re: help starting Wahl's my last post never made it? oh well. yes my wife did electrical nerve stimulation back in the ealry 90's. TENS they called it. and also electrical acupuncture and proper detox. the problem with Dr wahls for me is the claim she has " MS " and was able to get back out of the wheelchair. Also most of the MS claims are always followed by " buy my book " buy " my video " buy my " products " etc etc. I mean take a look at the CCSVI and the money being made out of that. I would like to see more claims by people who are not trying to sell something or is not a Dr or practitioner saying listen to me and buy my product. all good diets be it in the form of herbs, food combining, raw food etc heal on the cellular level so nothing new there. In fact the human cells renew themselves every 7-10 year need to be considered also. once again you might find some people reporting some good changes but then never hear from them again. russ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 has your wife been able to do the gluten free 100% along with no dairy and all the other suggestions without fail or cheating. I find when i do it without cheating i feel better after about 1 year. i stick to both the BBD and Wahls suggestion along with a few others that probably are my personal well being like legumes. we can not be against something unless we document and do it 100%. if not we fail the system. ....Love is space and time measured by the heart. Marcel Proust JOEY-DEAN To: mscured From: music@... Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 21:23:23 +0000 Subject: Re: help starting Wahl's Yes i would be surprised if you ever get an answer back from her. There are people every now and then that post even here claiming diet reversed the symptoms of MS. I wish it were true but very doigbtfull. at best a good healthy diet and food combining etc etc. might slow down MS for a while. These people unfortunately don't see all the people with MS that have been ther done that and wrote the book on diet an food yet still got worse and died or are no longer able to talk eat or communicate. everytime these people will simply say " oh what works for one person may not work for another " . i see that as a total cop out. it either works for MS or it doesn't. promote good healthy diet? absolutley! behind it very time 100%. But posting claims that you reversed your MS symptoms and got out of your whelchair with MS never to return? really? and just with good healthy eating and positive thinking? Like i have said in my past posts my wife whilst hasn't tried every thing she did do acupuncture, more diets than you can poke a stick at, exercise, herbs, homeopathy, naturopathy, and the list just goes on and on and on and thousands of dollars later she is bed ridden being fed through a tube. so please forgive me if i don't believe these people without good evidence that they even had MS in the first place. I have always said MS is man made disease and it will do what it wants to do whenever it wants to do it. the best i have seen people with TRUE MS is to slow it down a bit or experience better exacerbation recovery. but reveresed sypmtoms never to return? still waiting for that cure! I dont want to come across negative here as i am a firm beleiver in diet and HERBS. I also beleive once a HERB is found or combination of HERB is found it WILL CURE " EVERYONE " with MS not just what seems to be selective peole with MS. So i do beleive there is a cure out there but i will not follow willy nilly people making huge claims without any real evidence to back it up. russ > > > My sentiments entirely Russ.I wrote to Wahls and asked her what she ate before (because she sure has lost weight) but she didn't answer.Good luck to her whatever got her in or out of her chair. Just hope she is happy. > Janet To: mscured > From: music@... > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:31:08 +0000 > Subject: Re: help starting Wahl's > > > I have my serious doubts whether Dr. wahls even had MS in the first place. more than likely LYME disease which is often misdiagnosed as MS and curable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 yes she did every diet without fail and without cheating. even vegitarien only diets. she never cheated on any diet or excersice.she did gluten free 100% she did everything 100% as others have also and still got worse. which is why MS will do what it wants to you and no diet will reverse the MS. just makes you healthier until the next attack which hopefully is a long way away. did she ever feel better doing some of these fad diets? yep sure did. it even appeared to be working as people here described. but in the end the next attack undoes everything you just did in one swoop. russ > > > > > > > > > My sentiments entirely Russ.I wrote to Wahls and asked her what she ate before (because she sure has lost weight) but she didn't answer.Good luck to her whatever got her in or out of her chair. Just hope she is happy. > > > Janet To: mscured > > > From: music@ > > > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:31:08 +0000 > > > Subject: Re: help starting Wahl's > > > > > > > > > I have my serious doubts whether Dr. wahls even had MS in the first place. more than likely LYME disease which is often misdiagnosed as MS and curable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 I want to point out yet again that i am NOT against it. and yes it has been documneted and video 100% most fo the treatment my wife did and it still failed. what I AM against is the CLAIMS that Dr. wahls had MS and got out of the wheelchaire making the claim of defeating proegressive MSas a direct result of her diets etc... most claims like these always lead to " buy my book " " by my video " " by my product " Dr. terry wahls stands to profit greatly from her claims. ANY healthy diet and good eating will help but i am yet to see anyone who actualy has MS get out of the wheelchair never to return to it after doing one of these diets. Lets see the documented evedince that terry wahls even had MS. once again diet and healthy eating is good and i recommend to try these thngs for better health. But i would never make such claims that it reverses the effects of MS because it simply doesnt. there is only exacerbation and flare ups and recovery periods. it is these recovery periods that make diet or whatever it is you are trying at the time seem like you have had success in reversing MS symptoms. until teh next flare up occurs and it all goes out the window. the diet will help you get through any sickness better though as the MS starts shutting down how your body works. so i am only against the false claim that is being made, not the diet itself. russ > > > has your wife been able to do the gluten free 100% along with no dairy and all the other suggestions without fail or cheating. I find when i do it without cheating i feel better after about 1 year. i stick to both the BBD and Wahls suggestion along with a few others that probably are my personal well being like legumes. we can not be against something unless we document and do it 100%. if not we fail the system. > > > ...Love is space and time measured by the heart. > Marcel Proust > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 No, she has never claimed to be cured, in fact, she has mentioned symptoms returning after cheating and eating a piece of pie. She, being a doctor, had all of the recommended tests and drugs with no effect. Her story is on her website. She started with supplements and nutrition because nothing else was working. Her diet is an attempt to provide intensive nutrition, using food as medicine. I think many of her ideas come from nutrigenomics research and there are many books and studies coming out on it. I think she initially answered more emails and questions. I've been kind of following her progress for over a year. Now, she has a large following on fb plus her website has a forum. I don't think she answers anyone personally anymore, although she does post occasionally. I think her approach is interesting because it worked for her. Now they are trying to duplicate her results and find out why it worked. She never expected the amazing result that she experienced. But her results may include eliminating food allergens that are not the same for everyone. > > > > > > > > I am just starting to use the lovely diet and lifestyle changes I heard about on a video by Terry Wahls. Would you like to help me with daily accountability? I am amazed how challenging I am finding this to do on my own. > > > > > > > > Right now I am just trying to figure out a routine and overcome the fatigue and emotional resistance to change. > > > > > > > > Any and all input is most welcome. > > > > C. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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