Re: Something to think about

October 30, 2006

,

Early man (Biblical characters not included) didn't live long enough to find

out what effect their diet may have had. (LOL)

Also, early man did not, I think, have refined sugar and flour and he sure

as the Dickens did not have partially hydrogenated fats. (LOL)

It seems to me that the life expectancy at the turn of the 20th century was

something like 42?

Cy, the Ancient Okie...

Re: Something to think about

Hi Ruth,

A thought...

you should get a copy of the research that doctor Bernstein mentions in his

audio cds.

Diet 100% has to do with increased ldl and eating fat doesn't raze it.

Eating quick acting carbohydrates *along with fat* razes it. In the

experiment people who did not eat quick acting carbohydrates and just

fat/meat/slow acting carbos lipids were fine.

How could that be? Simple, their body metobolized the fat since it needed it

so it did not raze their ldl.

The people who had quick acting carb diets and eating the fat... they did

not need the carbs, nor the fat, so the body stored it and as a result the

ldl skyrocketed. I.E the fat was not metobolized.

Experiment on your own body and you'll see it is true. Don't eat quick

acting carbs, eat slow acting carbs and fat/meat. In 30 to 45 days go get

your lipids done and they will be normal. On the flip side... eat quick

acting carbs, and the fat, go get your lipids done and they will be

elevated.

Regards,

RE: Something to think about

> , I am a little confused. Well, that's an improvement from my

> normally a lot confused...

>

> In looking at your diet plan, I would think it to be very heavy on

> cholesterol. And, isn't it protein and cholesterol, or at least

> protein, that effects creatinine?

> Also, what does the doctor say about the risks of cholesterol when

> following such a plan. I don't mean his whole explanation, but just a

> quickie.

>

> Thanks for the education. It is interesting to ponder.

>

> SS

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October 30, 2006

Hi Cy,

Your facts are correct. When I make a reference to prehistoric man, it is

to point out that our base for some of the things we eat come from that

period in time. It was because of how our teeth changed that brought on

other changes.

Ruth

Re: Something to think about

Hi Ruth,

A thought...

you should get a copy of the research that doctor Bernstein mentions in his

audio cds.

Diet 100% has to do with increased ldl and eating fat doesn't raze it.

Eating quick acting carbohydrates *along with fat* razes it. In the

experiment people who did not eat quick acting carbohydrates and just

fat/meat/slow acting carbos lipids were fine.

How could that be? Simple, their body metobolized the fat since it needed it

so it did not raze their ldl.

The people who had quick acting carb diets and eating the fat... they did

not need the carbs, nor the fat, so the body stored it and as a result the

ldl skyrocketed. I.E the fat was not metobolized.

Experiment on your own body and you'll see it is true. Don't eat quick

acting carbs, eat slow acting carbs and fat/meat. In 30 to 45 days go get

your lipids done and they will be normal. On the flip side... eat quick

acting carbs, and the fat, go get your lipids done and they will be

elevated.

Regards,

RE: Something to think about

> , I am a little confused. Well, that's an improvement from my

> normally a lot confused...

>

> In looking at your diet plan, I would think it to be very heavy on

> cholesterol. And, isn't it protein and cholesterol, or at least

> protein, that effects creatinine?

> Also, what does the doctor say about the risks of cholesterol when

> following such a plan. I don't mean his whole explanation, but just a

> quickie.

>

> Thanks for the education. It is interesting to ponder.

>

> SS

>

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October 30, 2006

Let us know how the demo for the pump goes. Doc's are even prescribing

pumps for children as they seem to be able to control their sugars beter.

Re: Something to think about

Hi ,

It was who said people on pumps use 90 units a day. I've also never

used that much insulin. Right now I take about 40-45 units a day but I'm not

on a low carb diet. Most people on pumps that I've talked to find that they

need less insulin on a pump than they did with shots because it is more

closely matched to what the body needs. Of course most of the people I talk

to are also in their 20s, and we all take around 40-50 units a day.

Also the people I know on pumps almost never have lows, and when they do

they say they are much easier to treat. Pumps apparently reduce the risk of

lows over shots, not increase it.

I'm hoping to get on a pump soon. Just depends on whether insurance will

cover it, and the pump rep says my insurance is usually pretty good about

that.

Jen

Re: Something to think about

Hi ,

Thanks for answering my questions. You posed some of your own in your

e-mail

so I've answered them below.

*quote*

you only eat 6 grams of slow acting at breakfast due to the dawn effect.

You

get a few more slow acting carbs from the meat you eat too. Lunch and

dinner

are 12 grams of slow acting.

If memory serves me you are on a pump? None of Bernstein's patients are on

pumps, he explains that it is lethal to be on one.

*end quote*

You are right, I forgot about the dawn effect. I take 1 unit of Humalog to

cover 8-10 grams of carbohydrates in the morning, rather than the 12-15 it

covers the rest of the day.

*quote*

If memory serves me you are on a pump? None of Bernstein's patients are on

pumps, he explains that it is lethal to be on one.

*end quote*

No, I'm not on a pump but am trying to get on one (depends only on whether

insurance will cover it). Right now I'm taking Humalog and Lantus. I'm

surprised he says pumps are letal! Why does he say that? Everyone I've

talked to on a pump has better control than they ever did on shots.

*quote*

perfect. If you only needed one unit all the better. Bernstein states that

a

diabetic should view insulin in the way that the less you take, the better

off you are. Insulin has quite a few negative side effects to it according

to dr B. Large bolis of insulin causes increased blood pressure, strain on

the body, and even weight gain in some.

*end quote*

It makes sense to me that more insulin would be worse. What is a " good "

amount of insulin?

*quote*

Doctor Bernstein starts type 1 folks on 7 units at the evening and I think

4

in the morning. He split doses lantus. I personally am on 9 units at the

evening and 2 in the morning but I do not take lantus, I dose ultrelente.

*end quote*

I just recently split my Lantus dose and my evening blood sugars are so

much

better. I went for a year and a half without splitting it and was almost

always high at bedtime unless I gave an additional shot of Humalog in the

evening after dinner, and even that often didn't keep me down. I have had

to

lower my carb ratio at dinner and also lower my Lantus dose slightly and

am

still having lows, so I will probably be reducing it more.

*quote*

Note: he split doses lantus since according to doctor bernstein the lantus

research was fudged to market it as a 24 hour insulin. It is not. I.E the

research, for example, injected 60 units of lantus in a person so it was

forced to work for 24 hours. However,the person was constantly eating

glucose and sugar to not pass out! It gave them the results that they

wanted

to market it but it is not a 24 hour insulin according to doctor

bernstein.

Many type 1 patients, and type 2 on it, try to use it as a 24 hour and run

low in the middle of the night since it is such large doses to get the 24

hour effect. I.E you may dose 40 units at night where as doctor bernstein

may have you dose 9 at night and 4 in the morning. Big difference between

9

units at night and 40!

*end quote*

I agree that it is not a 24-hour insulin. Every type 1 I know who uses it

has ended up splitting the dose due to high blood sugars at night. It

frustrates me that it's marketed as a 24-hour insulin. The company who

makes

Levemir, another new basal insulin, do not claim that it lasts for

24-hours

(they say it lasts 18-24 hours), and also are not marketing it as a

peakless

insulin but rather as one with a " gentle " peak.

*end quote*

*quote*

I run 80 to 90 all the time and never get into trouble. Small numbers,

small

mistakes, large numbers, large mistakes. When you do not eat quick acting

carbs, you essentially cannot get into trouble with spikes or lows since

your insulin requirements are cut more than half.

*end quote*

I think you misunderstood here. What I meant by I wasn't sure a type 1

could

take only 6 units of insulin a day (this is assuming that the

Lantus/Humalog

split is 50/50, if I were to only take ~3 units of Humalog a day) is that

I

don't know whether there is a minimum amount of insulin the body needs in

order to keep things going (i.e., suppress glucagon production and

ketones,

etc.)? Anything under 20-30 units a day sounds really small. Is there a

minimum amount of insulin you need? On this diet do you take much more

basal

insulin than bolus instead of the 50/50 split?

*quote*

Think of it this way. If you were dosing 2 to 4 units of humalog for a

meal,

and a total of 10 units of lantus split 5 evening 5 morning, how could you

go low? It isn't enough to lower you even swimming and so on. Most

diabetics

go low since they have *so much* basal and humalog in their bodies to deal

with the quick acting carbs that many lows in exercise is caused to the

lingering effect where humalog lingers past 4 hours and the basal is just

way to much. Most type 1 on pumps have to eat a lot due to lows. They take

to much basal and always have to eat for the sake of survival. I.E eat or

pass out. I guarantee that if you dosed only 20 units of insulin a day, as

oppose to 60 to 80, you would not run low if ever/very rare.

This would be a *huge* benefit to you Jen and you would see instant

results.

That is, your lows that you experience around exercise would vanish.

*end quote*

Thank you for finally explaining the exercise! That makes more sense now.

I

take an average of 40 units total of Humalog and Lantus, 35 even 30 if I

am

active. This is currently on a high carb diet which even I admit isn't

always the healthiest (hey, I'm a student, what else can I say). So I am

still a bit confused how you can exercise and not go low, and still not go

high when you don't exercise. For non-diabetics the amount of insulin in

thier body changes and decreases for exercise, which is why we have to

" feed " the insulin when we want to exercise if we don't reduce the dose

first.

*quote*

btw you are still eating carbohydrates, they are just slow acting on your

sugars. They still do give you energy for exercise and so on.

*end quote*

Can you eat a " high carb " diet with only slow acting carbs and get the

same

effect? Could you eat a higher number of carbs a day or just the 30g

total?

*quote*

If you have any other questions, please let me know. I am just here to

pass

on the information. I'd like to invite you to order doctor bernsteins

audio

cds for type 1 diabetics... a wealth of helpful information. I posted the

link a while back so not sure if you seen it or not.

*end quote*

I have seen the link, but unfortunately am in university at the moment so

can't afford the $100-some-odd dollars it is (probably more in Canadian,

too). I'm still not fully convinced that a pump won't solve my problems

(the

biggest of which is always waking up high no matter what I do, and a

second

one though less problematic is going low during exercise which I can

compensate for by reducing insulin and/or having a snack), but I am

willing

to listen. Can you give an example of your daily readings and insulin and

diet? How stable is normalized?

How does hormones, stress, illness, and other factors come into this? Does

he believe that there is a random factor involved with blood sugar

control?

This " randomness factor " is one of the major reasons why I'm skeptical.

Even

if you controlled for food and this caused you to never go high or low

even

from exercise, what happens when hormones or a cold or a really

stressful/emotional sitaution hits?

Out of curiosity, I also heard on a diabetes forum where we were

discussing

natural disasters and type 1, that somewhere Dr. Bernstein talks about how

a

type 1 could survive without insulin if they were ever caught in a

situation

where they were stuck for days without it. This is purely out of

curiosity:

I live in an earthquake zone and, even though I bring my insulin and

supplies everywhere, I wonder sometimes what I'd do if we ever had " the

big

one " that's expected some day. Does he address this on his CDs?

Thanks for all the answers you've provided so far. I may look into seeing

if

any libraries around here have his CD sets. I am still not fully convinced

but it wouldn't do any harm to listen.

Jen

October 30, 2006

That is true Cy, but even ancient Roman history and Greek history mentions

people who have " sweet sickness " and symptoms mentioned seem to indicate it

was diabetes. So it has always been around-just not as prevalent as people

did not always live long enough to develop it!

Re: Something to think about

Hi Ruth,

A thought...

you should get a copy of the research that doctor Bernstein mentions in his

audio cds.

Diet 100% has to do with increased ldl and eating fat doesn't raze it.

Eating quick acting carbohydrates *along with fat* razes it. In the

experiment people who did not eat quick acting carbohydrates and just

fat/meat/slow acting carbos lipids were fine.

How could that be? Simple, their body metobolized the fat since it needed it

so it did not raze their ldl.

The people who had quick acting carb diets and eating the fat... they did

not need the carbs, nor the fat, so the body stored it and as a result the

ldl skyrocketed. I.E the fat was not metobolized.

Experiment on your own body and you'll see it is true. Don't eat quick

acting carbs, eat slow acting carbs and fat/meat. In 30 to 45 days go get

your lipids done and they will be normal. On the flip side... eat quick

acting carbs, and the fat, go get your lipids done and they will be

elevated.

Regards,

RE: Something to think about

> , I am a little confused. Well, that's an improvement from my

> normally a lot confused...

>

> In looking at your diet plan, I would think it to be very heavy on

> cholesterol. And, isn't it protein and cholesterol, or at least

> protein, that effects creatinine?

> Also, what does the doctor say about the risks of cholesterol when

> following such a plan. I don't mean his whole explanation, but just a

> quickie.

>

> Thanks for the education. It is interesting to ponder.

>

> SS

>

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October 31, 2006

I think we were created with teeth as humans, and we ate things we grew,

which required teeth. Just my opinion (and a few other people as well!).

<smile>

Dave

Life is but a blink of the eye--eternity is coming...

RE: Something to think about

>

> > , I am a little confused. Well, that's an improvement from my

> > normally a lot confused...

> >

> > In looking at your diet plan, I would think it to be very heavy on

> > cholesterol. And, isn't it protein and cholesterol, or at least

> > protein, that effects creatinine?

> > Also, what does the doctor say about the risks of cholesterol when

> > following such a plan. I don't mean his whole explanation, but just a

> > quickie.

> >

> > Thanks for the education. It is interesting to ponder.

> >

> > SS

> >

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October 31, 2006

If you think about it, because diabetics are, well, kept alive and we

procreate, the likelihood of a growing population of diabetics is bound to

increase. At least, in the old days, many diabetics died before they

produced children, and thus the total population of diabetics was kept

rather under control.

Dave

Life is but a blink of the eye--eternity is coming...

RE: Something to think about

>

> > , I am a little confused. Well, that's an improvement from my

> > normally a lot confused...

> >

> > In looking at your diet plan, I would think it to be very heavy on

> > cholesterol. And, isn't it protein and cholesterol, or at least

> > protein, that effects creatinine?

> > Also, what does the doctor say about the risks of cholesterol when

> > following such a plan. I don't mean his whole explanation, but just a

> > quickie.

> >

> > Thanks for the education. It is interesting to ponder.

> >

> > SS

> >

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October 31, 2006

Dave, after finding out I was a diabetic I had myself fixed and adopted a

son who mother was a diabetic, smile. so far he is find but he is a big boy

and very much a potential diabetic but wont listen.

RE: Something to think about

>>

>> > , I am a little confused. Well, that's an improvement from my

>> > normally a lot confused...

>> >

>> > In looking at your diet plan, I would think it to be very heavy on

>> > cholesterol. And, isn't it protein and cholesterol, or at least

>> > protein, that effects creatinine?

>> > Also, what does the doctor say about the risks of cholesterol when

>> > following such a plan. I don't mean his whole explanation, but just a

>> > quickie.

>> >

>> > Thanks for the education. It is interesting to ponder.

>> >

>> > SS

>> >

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October 31, 2006

Hi ,

I really liked the Cozmo pump. The rep was very nice and spent a lot of time

explaining to my mom who was there how things worked. In terms of accessibility

the pump screen isn't accessible (although I was able to read it with a

magnifier and even some parts without!), but it can be set to beep with each

button press so that there's at least confirmation that you've pressed

something. I also really like the buttons--there's no way you could press one of

those by mistake. The audio bolus is also accessible. The rep said that

theoretically I could set up the pump's settings using my computer (it comes

with software to let you do this) and then only really have to worry about using

the audio bolus feature to deliver insulin during the day. The Cozmo also has a

glucose meter that attaches to the back, although it's not a CGMS system, just a

FreeStyle meter build into the pump (it just makes less to carry with the pump

and meter combined). Obviously, the meter isn't accessible. Also, although

alarms and warnings can be set to have an audible sound, the message appearing

on the screen isn't accessible.

In regards to putting children on pump, even when I was younger there were a few

kids I knew who used pumps. When I was in grade nine or so we went with another

friend of mine who was diabetic to a parent support group meeting where they

talked about pumps, and my parents considered putting me on one then but decided

against it because I wasn't very enthusiastic. Nowadays they're putting children

as young as toddlers and preschoolers on pumps. I did childcare about a year ago

at our local hospital for a parent meeting, and over half the preschool kids I

watched used pumps, and I bet those kids will have far less risk of any

complications in the future than ones who don't go on pumps for years. Of course

it still takes work as the rep yesterday pointed out, but the idea that pumps

are lethal I find rediculous, because they are more flexible and precise than

shots.