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At 19:35 21.03.99 +0100, you wrote:

>From: Dusan Stojkovic <dusan@...>

>

>At 11:41 21.03.99 -0600, you wrote:

>>All three of my children have been " totally " vaccinated. What can I do now

>>to undo the damage that these vaccines have caused?

>

Avoid foods , cosmetics, and anything else that you put in your mouth, or

on your skin, nails, hair, or you come in contact with.

Most people are breathing many carcinogens from the paints that they are

painting their house, from the paints that furniture is painted, and from

other products they bring into the house.

Be aware. You are buying diseases at the store !

Take care what you bring into your house.

Just one example:

Purchase one usual magazine (Times or Newsweek, or Cosmopolitan,..), or new

book.

Open it and smell it. (Do not smell it too long time, as you may faint or

get sever headache. )

That what you smell is smell of 3-10 differnt carcinogen substances (from

color paper, glue, printing...)

If you have basement under your house, make sure you do not have old

paints, solvents or other sources of those toxins.

Car paints contain some of the most toxic substances.

Read " The Cure For All Diseases " By Hulda , for more details about

sources of those of those toxins.

Read also " Reversing Alzheimer " , by Tom Warren.

Read also

Aubrey's book : " Natural Organic Hair and Skin Care " - Includes an A to Z

Guide to Natural & Synthetic Chemicals in Cosmetics, published by Organica

Press, ISBN 0-939157-00-4.

http://www.aubrey-organics.com/

IARC AND NTP CARCINOGEN LIST

============================

This list includes three categories of substances and processes

regarded as carcinogenic, primarily by the International Agency for

Research on Cancer of the World Health Organisation (IARC),

and to a lesser extent, the US Government's Annual Report on

Carcinogens from the National Toxicology Program (NTP).

Although there are some difference in categorisation, for convenience

we have combined the lists under a common nomenclature. There are

some minor omissions and exclusions of exotic materials. Please notify

us of any errors or omissions considered important.

Category 1 is for substances for which there is sufficient evidence for

a causal relationship with cancer in humans (confirmed human carcinogen).

Category 2A is for substances for which there is a lesser degree of

evidence in humans but sufficient evidence in animal studies, or

degrees of evidence considered appropriate to this category, eg unequivocal

evidence of mutagenicity in mammalian cells (probable human carcinogen).

Category 2B is for substances for which there is sufficient evidence

in animal tests, or degrees of evidence considered appropriate to this

category (possible human carcinogen).

Excluded from the list above are IARC category 3 carcinogens

for which assessment evidence is 'limited'.

All IARC monographs up to issue 60, 1994 and the NTP Sixth Report

on Carcinogens are included; (and will update both sources soon).

For each update, a ** will indicate a new listing and we will place

a note at the end of the list.

Please refer to the original IARC and NTP documents for a more detailed

description of categories and carcinogenicity evidence.

NOTE: THIS LIST CONVEYS A WEIGHT-OF-EVIDENCE APPROACH

AND CAN NOT INCORPORATE INFORMATION ON RISK.

WHILE WE SUPPORT SUCH AN APPROACH, RISK ASSESSMENTS

MUST INCLUDE CONSIDERATIONS OF EXPOSURE, DOSE AND

BIOCHEMICAL RELEVANCE.

Category 1

=========

Aflatoxins

Alcoholic beverages

Aluminium production

4-aminobiphenyl

Arsenic and arsenic compounds

Asbestos

Manufacture of auramine

Azathioprine

Benzene

Benzidine

Beryllium and compounds (upgraded from 2A)

Betel quid with tobacco

Bis(chloromethyl)ether and chloromethyl methyl ether (technical grade)

Boot and shoe manufacture and repair (occupational exposure)

1,4 Butanediol dimethanesulphonate (Myleran)

Cadmium and compounds (upgraded from 2A)

Chlorambucil

Chlornaphazine

1-(2-Chloroethyl)-3-(4-methylcyclohexyl)-1 nitrosourea

Chloromethyl methyl ether (technical)

Chromium compounds (hexavalent)

Coal gasification

Coal tar pitches

Coal tars

Coke production

Cyclophosphamide

Cyclosporin

Erionite

Ethylene oxide

Furniture and cabinet making

Underground haematite mining with exposure to radon

Iron and steel founding

Isopropyl alcohol manufacture (strong acid process)

Manufacture of magenta (see also magenta, 2B)

Melphalan

8-Methoxypsoralen (Methoxsalen) plus ultraviolet radiation

Mineral oils_untreated and mildly-treated oils

MOPP and other combined chemotherapy for cancer

Mustard gas (sulphur mustard)

2-Naphthylamine

Nickel and nickel compounds (essentially sulphate and sulphide)

Nonsteroidal oestrogens (not necessarily all in group); includes

diethylstilboestrol

Oestrogen replacement therapy and

Combined oral contraceptives and sequential oral contraceptives

Steroidal oestrogens (not all in group)

Painter (occupational exposure as a painter)

Phenacetin (analgesic mixtures containing)

Rubber industry

Salted fish, Chinese style

Solar radiation

Shale oils

Soots

Sulphuric acid (occupational exposures to strong-inorganic-acid mists of

sulphuric acid)

Talc containing asbestiform fibres

Thiotepa

Tobacco products (smokeless)

Tobacco smoke

Treosulphan

Vinyl chloride

Category 2A

===========

Acrylamide

Acrylonitrile

Adriamycin

Anabolic steroids

Azacitidine

Benzanthracene

Benzidine-based dyes (technical grade)

Direct Black 38

Direct Blue 6

Direct Brown 95

Benzopyrene

1,3-Butadiene

Captafol

Bischloroethyl nitrosourea (BCNU)

1-(2-Chloroethyl)-3-cyclohexyl-1-nitrosourea (CCNU)

Chloramphenicol

para-Chloro-ortho-toluidine and its strong acid salts

Chlorozotocin

Cisplatin

Creosotes

Dibenzanthracene

Diesel engine exhaust

Diethyl sulphate

Dimethylcarbamoyl chloride

Dimethyl sulphate

Epichlorohydrin

Ethylene dibromide

N-ethyl-N-nitrosourea

Formaldehyde

Glass manufacturing industry (occupational exposure)

Art glass, glass containers and pressed ware

Hairdresser or barber (occupational exposure, probably dyes)

Insecticide use (occupational)

IQ (2-Amino-3-methylimidazo[4,5-f]quinoline);

Mate drinking (hot)

5-Methoxypsoralen

4,4'-Methylenebis(2-chloroaniline) (MOCA)

N-Methyl-N-nitro-N-nitrosoguanidine (MNNG)

N-Methyl-N-nitrosourea

Nitrogen mustard

N-Nitrosodiethylamine

N-Nitrosodimethylamine

Petroleum refining (occupational refining exposures)

Phenacetin

Polychlorinated biphenyls

Procarbazine hydrochloride

Silica (crystalline)

Styrene-7,8-oxide

Tris(1-azaridinyl)phosphine sulphide (Thiotepa)

Tris(2,3-dibromopropyl) phosphate

Ultraviolet radiation: A, B and C including sunlamps and sunbeds

Vinyl bromide

Category 2B

===========

A-C(2-Amino-9H-pyrido[2,3-b]indole)

Acetaldehyde

Acetamide

AF-2[2-(2-Furyl)-3-(5-nitro-2-furyl)acrylamide

para-Aminoazobenzene

ortho-Aminoazobenzene

2-Amino-5-(5-nitro-2-furyl)-1,3,4-thiadiazole

Amitrole

ortho-Anisidine

Antimony trioxide

Aramite

Atrazine

Attapulgite

Azaserine

Benzofluoranthene

Benzo[j]fluoranthene

Benzo[k]fluoranthene

Benzyl violet

Bitumens (extracts of steam-refined and air-refined bitumens)

Bleomycins

Bracken ferns

Bromodichloromethane

Butylated hydroxyanisole (BHA)

á-Butyrolactone

Caffeic acid

Carbon black extract

Carbon tetrachloride

Carrageenan (degraded)

Ceramic fibres

Chloramphenicol

Chlordane

Chlordecone

Chlorendic acid

Chlorinated paraffins of average carbon-chain length C12 and average

degree of chlorination approx 60%

alpha-Chlorinated toluenes (not necessarily all in group)

Benzotrichloride

para-Chloroaniline

Chloroform

Chlorophenols

Pentachlorophenol

2,4,6-Trichlorophenol

Chlorophenoxy herbicides (not necessarily all in group)

4-Chloro-ortho-phenylenediamine

CI Acid Red 114

CI Basic Red 9

CI Direct Blue 15

Citrus Red No.2

Cobalt and cobalt compounds

Coffee (bladder)

para-Cresidine

Cycasin

Dacarbazine

Dantron (1,8-dihydroxyanthraquinone)

Daunomycin

DDT

N,N'-Diacetylbenzidine

4,4'-Diaminodiphenyl ether

2,4-Diaminotoluene

Dibenz[a,h]acridine

Dibenz[a,j]acridine

7H-Dibenzo[c,g]carbazole

Dibenzo[a,e]pyrene

Dibenzo[a,h]pyrene

Dibenzo[ai]pyrene

Dibenzo[a,l]pyrene

1,2-Dibromo-3-chloropropane

para-Dichlorobenzene

3,3'-Dichlorobenzene

3,3'-Dichloro-4,4'-diaminodiphenyl ether

1,2-Dichloroethane

Dichloromethane

1,3-Dichloropropene (technical grade)

Dichlorvos

Diepoxybutane

Diesel fuel (marine)

Di(2-ethylhexyl)phthalate

1,2-Diethylhydrazine

Diglycidyl resorcinol ether

Dihydrosafrole

Diisopropyl sulfate

3,3'-Dimethoxybenzidine

para-Dimethylaminoazobenzene

trans-2-[(Dimethylamino)methylimino]-5-[2-(5-nitro-2-

furyl[vinyl]-1,3,4-oxidiazole

2,6-Dimethylaniline (2,6-Xylidene)

3,3'-Dimethylbenzidine (ortho-tolidine)

Dimethylformamide

1,1-Dimethylhydrazine

1,2-Dimethylhydrazine

1,6-Dinitropyrene

1,8-Dinitropyrene

1,4-Dioxane

Disperse Blue 1

Ethyl acrylate

Ethylene thiourea

Ethyl methanesulphonate

2-(2-Formylhydrazino)-4-(5-nitro-2-furyl)thiazole

Fuel oils (residual, heavy)

Fusarium moniliforme (toxins derived from)

Fumonisin B1; Fumonisin B2; Fusarin C

Gasoline

Gasoline engine exhausts

Glasswool

Glu-P-1 (2-Amino-6-methyldipyrido[1,2-a:3'2'-d]imidazole)

Glu-P-2(-Aminodipyrido[1,2-a:3'2'-d]imidazole)

Glycidaldehyde

Griseofulvin

HC Blue No 1

Heptachlor

Hexachlorobenzene

Hexachlorocyclohexanes

Technical grades

alpha isomer

gamma isomer (lindane)

Hexamethylphosphoramide

Hydrazine

Indeno[1,2,3-cd]pyrene

Iron-dextran complex

Isoprene

Lasiocarpine

Lead and lead compounds (inorganic)

Magenta (containing CI Basic Red 9)

Man-made mineral fibres (see glasswool, rockwool, slagwool, and ceramic

fibres)

MeA-a-C (2-Amino-3-methyl-9H-pyrido[2,3-b]indole)

MeIQ (2-Amino-3,4-dimethylimidazo[4,5-f]-quinolone)

MeIQx (2-Amino-3,8-dimethylamidazo[4,5-f]quinoxaline)

Methylmercury compounds (methylmercuric chloride)

Merphalan

2-Methylaziridine

Methylazoxymethanol and its acetate

5-Methylchrysene

4,4'-Methylenebis(2-methylaniline)

4,4'-Methylenedianiline

Methylmethanesulphonate

2-methyl-1-nitroanthraquinone (uncertain purity)

N-methyl-N-nitrosourethane

Methylthiouracil

Metronidazole

Mirex

Mitomycin

Monocrotaline

5-(Morpholinomethyl)-3-[(5-nitrofurfurylidene)amino]-2-oxazolidinone

Nafenopin

Niridazole

5-Nitroacenaphthene

6-Nitrochrysene

Nitrofen (technical grade)

2-Nitrofluorene

1-[(5-Nitrofurfurylidene)amino]-2-imidazolidinone

N-[4-(5-Nitro-2-furyl)-2-thiazolyl]acetamide

Nitrogen mustard N-oxide

Nitrolotriacetic acid and its salts

2-Nitropropane

1-Nitropyrene

4-Nitropyrene

N-Nitrosodi-n-butylamine

N-Nitrosodiethanolamine

N-Nitrosodi-n-propylamine

3-(N-Nitrosomethylamino)propionitrile

4-(N-Nitrosomethylamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone (NNK)

N-Nitrosomethylethylamine

N-Nitrosomethylvinylamine

N-Nitrosomorpholine

N-Nitrosonornicotine

N-Nitrosopiperidene

N-Nitrosopyrrolidine

N-Nitrososarcosine

Ochratoxin A

Oil Orange

Panfuran S (containing dihydroxymethylfuratzine)

Phenazopyridine hydrochloride

Phenobarbital

Phenoxybenzamine hydrochloride

Phenyl glycidyl ether

Phenytoin

PhIP (2-Amino-1-methyl-6-phenylimidazo[4,5-b]pyridine

Pickled vegetables, traditional Asian

Polybrominated biphenyls

Ponceau MX

Ponceau 3R

Potassium bromate

1,3-Propane sultone

Propylene oxide (downgraded from 2A)

Progestins

Medroxyprogesterone acetate

á-Propiolactone

Propylthiouracil

Rockwool

Saccharin

Safrole

Slagwool

Sodium ortho-phenylphenate

Sterigmatocystin

Streptozotocin

Styrene

Sulfallate

2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-para-dioxin (TCDD)

Tetrachloroethylene

Textile manufacturing (occupational exposures)

Thiocetamide

4,4'-Thiodianiline

Thiourea

Toluene diisocyanates

ortho-Toluidine

Toxaphene (polychlorinated camphenes)

Trichlormethine (trimustine hydrochloride)

Trp-P-1 (3-Amino-1,4-dimethyl-5-H-pyrido[4,3-b]indole)

Trp-P-2 (3-Amino-1-methyl-5H-pyrido[4,3-b]indole)

Trypan blue

Uracil mustard

Urethane

4-Vinylcyclohexene

4-Vinylcyclohexene diepoxide

Welding fumes

Wood industries

Carpentry and joinery

REFERENCES

============

International Agency for Research on Cancer, World Health Organisation,

Monographs volumes 1-60, 1972-1994 and Supplement 7 1987.

US Department of Health and Human Services, National Toxicology Program,

Sixth Annual Report on Carcinogens, 1991.

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Amy startd her JRA symptoms after her second Hep B vaccination.

Everyone is given that sheet with possible complications, but I don't

believe anyone thinks it can happen to their child. Hindsight is

20/20

> Dear , n got her 10 year old vaccines in May, and then

came down

> with the disease in August. She was sick for two weeks and then

got better.

> The doctors said that the sore throat, fevers, itching , and rash

were

> just a virus. Then we had nothing until Nov. She got a flu shot,

and one

> week later she was really sick and ended up in the hospital and we

got a

> diagnosis of systemic JRA. The ped. rheumy recommended that we

never get a

> flu shot again. We will never know what triggered it, but we did

not get a

> flu shot this year. n is now due for her 12 year old

vaccines, and the

> doctor will exempt us from them. If I had a young child I honestly

don't

> know what I would do. n has most of her shots, so missing the

12 year

> old ones isn't too much of a big thing to me. n is now on

plaquenil,

> naprosyn and .75mg prednisone. She has been waking up with a sore

throat

> recently, but it goes away by mid morning. I don't know if it is

the JRA or

> allergies, or what. I just dropped her from 1mg to .75mg about

four days

> ago. I am so anxious to get her off of the steroids, and hope

never to put

> her on them again. She has been weaning off now for almost a

year. Good

> luck. P>S> I have no idea what time the email is on. We

are all

> from around the world.

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hi

vaccinations are important but we have to weigh the good with bad

melissa we found out is allergic to the MMR one

my mom has always said something about the vaccines

she barely gave me mine she just didnt like them

but with my kids it was manatory before they could go to school

my son did great but melissa did ok until we seen the way the MMR did her

her last one i was in the ER several times with her due to the side effects

since then she has never had to take them cause the dr exempt her

now after we found out about melissas allergy to this

my sister found out she also was allergic to this MMR and had to start the

shots

separtately before she could try to get pregnant safe for the baby

the flu vaccine i will not let her take my choice

when you sign that paper they have you sign before the child gets the shot

it will state ALL side effects from the shot the shot is given with a lot #

so if any child has a problem they can go back to that lot #

out of the lot # given to melissa there were certain percentage of the kids

who had reactions

now theres a blood test the dr can have done to see if your immune to the

measle mumps and rebeulla this will help ALOT if the child cant tolerate it

they can give this separately also

the shots and benefit sometimes outweigh thins

now kids are given the hepetis B shot at birth then a series of them on top

of the other shots as each month goes there is also a test done on babys

when

they are born called a PKU this test will show any problems or should

melissa had this test done 2 times due to her birth weight 4 pounds and full

term

her PKU test was normal

always ask the doctor about giveing the shots if you feel a gut feeling

please let the doctor know polio has so called been wiped out here in the

states

polio is dangerous disease smallpox also mumps rebeulla and the rest but

with a vaccine we immune our bodys to it so if we come in contact with it we

have a better survival rate

Robbin

PS my vaccine was the kind with the gun that leaves a scar by the 70s it

was discontinued to just 1 shot like normal

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your right hindsight is 20/20 with this

my brothers and sisters all took the vaccines and my mom believes thats what

caused speech problems cause after the shots they started haveing speech

difficulties one sister after recieveing the shot in the thigh couldnt

walk for 6 months i think and all they said was the shot hit something in the

leg this child was 5 years old at the time theres side effects to alot in

this world

thats why i say you have to weigh good and bad

here in georgia the child can not enter the school system without the shots

up to date and go get a physical and see the hearing dr and eye dr

they are strict on this too unless the dr exempts the shot also in day care

this has to be done here

the goverment provides the shots the side effects to the lot #s given to

children

if there is any is suppose to be written down and documented and sent back

who knows in 5 years we will hear that the stats on this will show so many

kids who recieved it and ended up with JRA or something else

Robbin

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:

Thank you for sharing your story. I am assumming you are from the

US as I have never heard of a 10 year vaccine. As far as I know my

daughter is finished after her 5 year needle. She won't really be

finished because I will not give it to her. It doesn't make sence

to me to do that to her system. I also refused the flu shot. In

the province where I live it was offered free this year to anyone

who wanted it. I chose not to have it or to give it to my 2 daughters.

I will never again think It can never happen to me. My husband

however had the shot. So far (knock on wood) were fluless>

d

> Dear , n got her 10 year old vaccines in May, and then

came down

> with the disease in August. She was sick for two weeks and then got

better.

> The doctors said that the sore throat, fevers, itching , and rash

were

> just a virus. Then we had nothing until Nov. She got a flu shot,

and one

> week later she was really sick and ended up in the hospital and we

got a

> diagnosis of systemic JRA. The ped. rheumy recommended that we

never get a

> flu shot again. We will never know what triggered it, but we did

not get a

> flu shot this year. n is now due for her 12 year old vaccines,

and the

> doctor will exempt us from them. If I had a young child I honestly

don't

> know what I would do. n has most of her shots, so missing the

12 year

> old ones isn't too much of a big thing to me. n is now on

plaquenil,

> naprosyn and .75mg prednisone. She has been waking up with a sore

throat

> recently, but it goes away by mid morning. I don't know if it is

the JRA or

> allergies, or what. I just dropped her from 1mg to .75mg about four

days

> ago. I am so anxious to get her off of the steroids, and hope never

to put

> her on them again. She has been weaning off now for almost a year.

Good

> luck. P>S> I have no idea what time the email is on. We are

all

> from around the world.

> _________________________________________________________________

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i am in georgia here the child should have ALL the vaccines by 5 years old

or 4 years old for pre k at the age of 15 the child gets boosters then every

10 years after that at least thats my experience with my son the 10 year

booster at 15 the school system will inform you or ask for the shot record

when they start high school

here that age is 14 and 15 years old

Robbin

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I am from the US and have never heard of 10 year or 12 year vaccinations. I

am curious which ones they are because is due for a tetanus booster

for high school next year and since reading about not immunizing with live

vaccine I need to talk with the drs on this to see what he needs or is he

exempt. It seems like it is always something with our kids. I am so thankful

for this group because I have become aware of many different aspects of this

disease and its treatment through all of you. If I haven't said it before -

THANKS!! Michele T

Re: vaccinations

:

Thank you for sharing your story. I am assumming you are from the

US as I have never heard of a 10 year vaccine. As far as I know my

daughter is finished after her 5 year needle. She won't really be

finished because I will not give it to her. It doesn't make sence

to me to do that to her system. I also refused the flu shot. In

the province where I live it was offered free this year to anyone

who wanted it. I chose not to have it or to give it to my 2 daughters.

I will never again think It can never happen to me. My husband

however had the shot. So far (knock on wood) were fluless>

d

> Dear , n got her 10 year old vaccines in May, and then

came down

> with the disease in August. She was sick for two weeks and then got

better.

> The doctors said that the sore throat, fevers, itching , and rash

were

> just a virus. Then we had nothing until Nov. She got a flu shot,

and one

> week later she was really sick and ended up in the hospital and we

got a

> diagnosis of systemic JRA. The ped. rheumy recommended that we

never get a

> flu shot again. We will never know what triggered it, but we did

not get a

> flu shot this year. n is now due for her 12 year old vaccines,

and the

> doctor will exempt us from them. If I had a young child I honestly

don't

> know what I would do. n has most of her shots, so missing the

12 year

> old ones isn't too much of a big thing to me. n is now on

plaquenil,

> naprosyn and .75mg prednisone. She has been waking up with a sore

throat

> recently, but it goes away by mid morning. I don't know if it is

the JRA or

> allergies, or what. I just dropped her from 1mg to .75mg about four

days

> ago. I am so anxious to get her off of the steroids, and hope never

to put

> her on them again. She has been weaning off now for almost a year.

Good

> luck. P>S> I have no idea what time the email is on. We are

all

> from around the world.

> _________________________________________________________________

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Thats how it is in Chicago too. Pretty close, anyway. The new shot is the

hep B which had awhile back. I wanted to tell you I love the

strength/courage writing. You are always an inspiration in your replies to

eveyone - always an upbeat spin. Thanks.

Re: Re: vaccinations

i am in georgia here the child should have ALL the vaccines by 5 years old

or 4 years old for pre k at the age of 15 the child gets boosters then

every

10 years after that at least thats my experience with my son the 10 year

booster at 15 the school system will inform you or ask for the shot record

when they start high school

here that age is 14 and 15 years old

Robbin

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I have been told by 3 different doctors that a flu shot is recommended

because of the childs immune system being so low.

,

>From: ldelibato@...

>Reply- egroups

> egroups

>Subject: Re: vaccinations

>Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 03:49:22 -0000

>

>:

>

>Thank you for sharing your story. I am assumming you are from the

>US as I have never heard of a 10 year vaccine. As far as I know my

>daughter is finished after her 5 year needle. She won't really be

>finished because I will not give it to her. It doesn't make sence

>to me to do that to her system. I also refused the flu shot. In

>the province where I live it was offered free this year to anyone

>who wanted it. I chose not to have it or to give it to my 2 daughters.

> I will never again think It can never happen to me. My husband

>however had the shot. So far (knock on wood) were fluless>

>

> d

>

>

>

> > Dear , n got her 10 year old vaccines in May, and then

>came down

> > with the disease in August. She was sick for two weeks and then got

>better.

> > The doctors said that the sore throat, fevers, itching , and rash

>were

> > just a virus. Then we had nothing until Nov. She got a flu shot,

>and one

> > week later she was really sick and ended up in the hospital and we

>got a

> > diagnosis of systemic JRA. The ped. rheumy recommended that we

>never get a

> > flu shot again. We will never know what triggered it, but we did

>not get a

> > flu shot this year. n is now due for her 12 year old vaccines,

>and the

> > doctor will exempt us from them. If I had a young child I honestly

>don't

> > know what I would do. n has most of her shots, so missing the

>12 year

> > old ones isn't too much of a big thing to me. n is now on

>plaquenil,

> > naprosyn and .75mg prednisone. She has been waking up with a sore

>throat

> > recently, but it goes away by mid morning. I don't know if it is

>the JRA or

> > allergies, or what. I just dropped her from 1mg to .75mg about four

>days

> > ago. I am so anxious to get her off of the steroids, and hope never

>to put

> > her on them again. She has been weaning off now for almost a year.

> Good

> > luck. P>S> I have no idea what time the email is on. We are

>all

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I've heard of someone else not having to get the vaccinations for her

son by getting a letter from her clergyman saying it was against her

religious beliefs.

Barbara

> Hi All. I have someone asking me for information that tells, first

of all why vacinations are not a good plan and second of all, how to

legally not get them.

>

> Please send any info to her at this address jlgraves@g... Her name

is .

>

> She needs this info immediately as the pressure to get the shots is

really intense and she needs the tools to say no.

>

> On her behalf, Thank you,

> Donna

>

>

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Oh My! I am in total disagreement with you on this... I work at a school and

man I tell you that your child is exposed to so many diseases and risk

factors!!! He/ she needs at the very least hep. series!!! It is running

rampant in the school and the effects are devastating! If you love your child

you will think about this!

Debbie

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Hi Debbie.

Do you know how many perfectly healthy children have died from the hep series

compared to how many have died from hep. It is really scarey. And how many

babies have gone from perfectly healthy to autistic from all the mercury in

vaccinations. Or how many kids have add or adhd because of this.

Do you know how many adults in the US have post polio syndrome now because of

the polio vac. Or how many have cancer from the polio vac. There is one state

where they got a particular blend of the polio vac that was tainted and the

people in the state have an unusually high rate of cancer related to the

vaccine. It is an M state, Can remember which one. Michigan or Minesota???

Did you know that small pox spontaneously dissappeared from the whole planet at

the same time, even in countries that never had the vaccine, like Africa. It

was not the vaccine that wiped it out. It just dissappeared.

I totally understand your view point, from your job, but honestly, if my child

was being exposed to lots of disease at school I would take him/her out and

homeschool before I would poison their system with mercury and the other

complications that OFTEN arrise from vacinations.

This is such a huge vast subject and I really did not mean to open up this

discussion here because it really is off topic for this list and there are other

lists that talk about this. So if you (a general public " you " , not a Deb

" you " ) are unsure or unknowledgeable, then research and make an informed

decision.

I am not an expert in this. My personal experience is that my son did not have

the ususal shots and he was almost never sick. Had maybe one cold in all his

childhood and nothing else.

For those who want more info. Go to ExcellentThings-subscribe

and read Drapers posts for today. There are about four or five and they

cover it quite well.

Anyway, I am not an expert and don't even have links to send anyone to. I just

have read alot about it for over thirty years, (my son is 31) and have seen the

experiences of many parents. those with horror stories and those like me, who

didn't get shots and have remarkably healthy kids.

I am not planning on responding to any posts on this because this is as much as

I feel confident to say. And I am hoping this doesn't turn into a pro/con war.

Perhaps the ExcellentThings site would be a better place for a courteous

discussion. We only have one major rule over there - be nice. If you are not,

you are out.

Blessings.

Donna

-----Original Message-----

Oh My! I am in total disagreement with you on this... I work at a school and

man I tell you that your child is exposed to so many diseases and risk

factors!!! He/ she needs at the very least hep. series!!! It is running

rampant in the school and the effects are devastating! If you love your

child

you will think about this!

Debbie

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Hi,

I'm new to the list but I just have to respond to this. My son has autism and

we think that the shots may have played a role in this. It really made us angry

at first but then I think of all of the dreadful diseases he could have

contracted if he didn't have the shots. There is plenty of testing in progress

for this but I really don't think we will get a clear answer. I guess there's

good and bad with everything.

While I'm on, I'll give my intro. I am 27 and have had problems with IBS since

my son was born 6 1/2 years ago. I never have any trouble before pregnancy. I

had a polyp about 5 years ago but the dr didn't remove it. About 6 months

later, I was experiencing alot of bleeding with bowel movements so went in to

have it removed. Evidently the bleeding was the polyp itself because there was

no sign of it during the test.

I suffer mostly from constipation, sometimes for a week at a time. It seems

that I'm fine for 2-3 weeks and then before I know it, I'm in misery. I feel

and look like I'm pregnant at times because of the bloating. Is this normal for

IBS? I'm still trying to detect what foods cause the problems but so far the

only thing I've found is overeating; like steak and baked potatoes and

speghetti.

I'm open to any suggestions on controlling this. I'm a subsistute teacher and

sometimes I'm just not up for working because of the way that I feel. I would

love to be normal.

Angie

Re: vaccinations

Hi Debbie.

Do you know how many perfectly healthy children have died from the hep series

compared to how many have died from hep. It is really scarey. And how many

babies have gone from perfectly healthy to autistic from all the mercury in

vaccinations. Or how many kids have add or adhd because of this.

Do you know how many adults in the US have post polio syndrome now because of

the polio vac. Or how many have cancer from the polio vac. There is one state

where they got a particular blend of the polio vac that was tainted and the

people in the state have an unusually high rate of cancer related to the

vaccine. It is an M state, Can remember which one. Michigan or Minesota???

Did you know that small pox spontaneously dissappeared from the whole planet at

the same time, even in countries that never had the vaccine, like Africa. It

was not the vaccine that wiped it out. It just dissappeared.

I totally understand your view point, from your job, but honestly, if my child

was being exposed to lots of disease at school I would take him/her out and

homeschool before I would poison their system with mercury and the other

complications that OFTEN arrise from vacinations.

This is such a huge vast subject and I really did not mean to open up this

discussion here because it really is off topic for this list and there are other

lists that talk about this. So if you (a general public " you " , not a Deb

" you " ) are unsure or unknowledgeable, then research and make an informed

decision.

I am not an expert in this. My personal experience is that my son did not have

the ususal shots and he was almost never sick. Had maybe one cold in all his

childhood and nothing else.

For those who want more info. Go to ExcellentThings-subscribe

and read Drapers posts for today. There are about four or five and they

cover it quite well.

Anyway, I am not an expert and don't even have links to send anyone to. I just

have read alot about it for over thirty years, (my son is 31) and have seen the

experiences of many parents. those with horror stories and those like me, who

didn't get shots and have remarkably healthy kids.

I am not planning on responding to any posts on this because this is as much as

I feel confident to say. And I am hoping this doesn't turn into a pro/con war.

Perhaps the ExcellentThings site would be a better place for a courteous

discussion. We only have one major rule over there - be nice. If you are not,

you are out.

Blessings.

Donna

-----Original Message-----

Oh My! I am in total disagreement with you on this... I work at a school and

man I tell you that your child is exposed to so many diseases and risk

factors!!! He/ she needs at the very least hep. series!!! It is running

rampant in the school and the effects are devastating! If you love your

child

you will think about this!

Debbie

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I agree with Debbie. there are risks in everything

but where vaccinations are concerned--esp certain

ones--the risks of inaction outweigh the risks of

taking the vaccines in my opinion.

JP

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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:10:39 EDT

From: Peaches14845@...

Subject: Re: vaccinations

Oh My! I am in total disagreement with you on this...

I work at a

school and

man I tell you that your child is exposed to so many

diseases and risk

factors!!! He/ she needs at the very least hep.

series!!! It is running

rampant in the school and the effects are devastating!

If you love your

child

you will think about this!

Debbie

=====

" Be Safe, Be Relaxed, Be Good to Yourself. "

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In Ohio for public school I sign a standard form that the school gives me -

I have to fill a new one out every year. I only need to object

philosophically and don't need a letter from a minister.

I suppose the same will work for daycare and summer camp.

barb

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Where can I find aloe vera juice? Thanks

angie

Re: vaccinations

>

>

> Hi Debbie.

>

> Do you know how many perfectly healthy children have died from the hep

series compared to how many have died from hep. It is really scarey. And

how many babies have gone from perfectly healthy to autistic from all the

mercury in vaccinations. Or how many kids have add or adhd because of this.

>

> Do you know how many adults in the US have post polio syndrome now because

of the polio vac. Or how many have cancer from the polio vac. There is one

state where they got a particular blend of the polio vac that was tainted

and the people in the state have an unusually high rate of cancer related to

the vaccine. It is an M state, Can remember which one. Michigan or

Minesota???

>

> Did you know that small pox spontaneously dissappeared from the whole

planet at the same time, even in countries that never had the vaccine, like

Africa. It was not the vaccine that wiped it out. It just dissappeared.

>

> I totally understand your view point, from your job, but honestly, if my

child was being exposed to lots of disease at school I would take him/her

out and homeschool before I would poison their system with mercury and the

other complications that OFTEN arrise from vacinations.

>

> This is such a huge vast subject and I really did not mean to open up this

discussion here because it really is off topic for this list and there are

other lists that talk about this. So if you (a general public " you " , not a

Deb " you " ) are unsure or unknowledgeable, then research and make an informed

decision.

>

> I am not an expert in this. My personal experience is that my son did not

have the ususal shots and he was almost never sick. Had maybe one cold in

all his childhood and nothing else.

>

> For those who want more info. Go to

ExcellentThings-subscribe and read Drapers posts for

today. There are about four or five and they cover it quite well.

>

> Anyway, I am not an expert and don't even have links to send anyone to. I

just have read alot about it for over thirty years, (my son is 31) and have

seen the experiences of many parents. those with horror stories and those

like me, who didn't get shots and have remarkably healthy kids.

>

> I am not planning on responding to any posts on this because this is as

much as I feel confident to say. And I am hoping this doesn't turn into a

pro/con war. Perhaps the ExcellentThings site would be a better place for a

courteous discussion. We only have one major rule over there - be nice. If

you are not, you are out.

>

> Blessings.

> Donna

> -----Original Message-----

>

>

> Oh My! I am in total disagreement with you on this... I work at a

school and

> man I tell you that your child is exposed to so many diseases and risk

> factors!!! He/ she needs at the very least hep. series!!! It is

running

> rampant in the school and the effects are devastating! If you love

your child

> you will think about this!

>

> Debbie

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Angie,

I suffered with constipation for a very long time and tried just about

everything that was suggested. Nothing worked safely and on a long-term

basis until I began drinking pure, organic aloe vera juice with each meal.

It does not taste good, in my opinion, but mixing it with apple juice or

white grape juice masks the flavor a bit. I hope this helps since I know how

toxic one feels when they cannot eliminate on a daily basis. Incidentlally,

aloe is supposed to be excellent for healing a damaged intestinal tract.

S

> Hi,

>

> I'm new to the list but I just have to respond to this. My son has autism

and we think that the shots may have played a role in this. It really made

us angry at first but then I think of all of the dreadful diseases he could

have contracted if he didn't have the shots. There is plenty of testing in

progress for this but I really don't think we will get a clear answer. I

guess there's good and bad with everything.

>

> While I'm on, I'll give my intro. I am 27 and have had problems with IBS

since my son was born 6 1/2 years ago. I never have any trouble before

pregnancy. I had a polyp about 5 years ago but the dr didn't remove it.

About 6 months later, I was experiencing alot of bleeding with bowel

movements so went in to have it removed. Evidently the bleeding was the

polyp itself because there was no sign of it during the test.

>

> I suffer mostly from constipation, sometimes for a week at a time. It

seems that I'm fine for 2-3 weeks and then before I know it, I'm in misery.

I feel and look like I'm pregnant at times because of the bloating. Is this

normal for IBS? I'm still trying to detect what foods cause the problems

but so far the only thing I've found is overeating; like steak and baked

potatoes and speghetti.

>

> I'm open to any suggestions on controlling this. I'm a subsistute teacher

and sometimes I'm just not up for working because of the way that I feel. I

would love to be normal.

>

> Angie

> Re: vaccinations

>

>

> Hi Debbie.

>

> Do you know how many perfectly healthy children have died from the hep

series compared to how many have died from hep. It is really scarey. And

how many babies have gone from perfectly healthy to autistic from all the

mercury in vaccinations. Or how many kids have add or adhd because of this.

>

> Do you know how many adults in the US have post polio syndrome now because

of the polio vac. Or how many have cancer from the polio vac. There is one

state where they got a particular blend of the polio vac that was tainted

and the people in the state have an unusually high rate of cancer related to

the vaccine. It is an M state, Can remember which one. Michigan or

Minesota???

>

> Did you know that small pox spontaneously dissappeared from the whole

planet at the same time, even in countries that never had the vaccine, like

Africa. It was not the vaccine that wiped it out. It just dissappeared.

>

> I totally understand your view point, from your job, but honestly, if my

child was being exposed to lots of disease at school I would take him/her

out and homeschool before I would poison their system with mercury and the

other complications that OFTEN arrise from vacinations.

>

> This is such a huge vast subject and I really did not mean to open up this

discussion here because it really is off topic for this list and there are

other lists that talk about this. So if you (a general public " you " , not a

Deb " you " ) are unsure or unknowledgeable, then research and make an informed

decision.

>

> I am not an expert in this. My personal experience is that my son did not

have the ususal shots and he was almost never sick. Had maybe one cold in

all his childhood and nothing else.

>

> For those who want more info. Go to

ExcellentThings-subscribe and read Drapers posts for

today. There are about four or five and they cover it quite well.

>

> Anyway, I am not an expert and don't even have links to send anyone to. I

just have read alot about it for over thirty years, (my son is 31) and have

seen the experiences of many parents. those with horror stories and those

like me, who didn't get shots and have remarkably healthy kids.

>

> I am not planning on responding to any posts on this because this is as

much as I feel confident to say. And I am hoping this doesn't turn into a

pro/con war. Perhaps the ExcellentThings site would be a better place for a

courteous discussion. We only have one major rule over there - be nice. If

you are not, you are out.

>

> Blessings.

> Donna

> -----Original Message-----

>

>

> Oh My! I am in total disagreement with you on this... I work at a

school and

> man I tell you that your child is exposed to so many diseases and risk

> factors!!! He/ she needs at the very least hep. series!!! It is

running

> rampant in the school and the effects are devastating! If you love

your child

> you will think about this!

>

> Debbie

>

>

>

>

>

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It sounds to me like you have candida. I can relate, the bloating, etc

sound like candida. cut sugar out of your diet, re-duce your carbs and

dairy, and go to borders and buy the book by dr. crook called the

yeast connection. or get it at the library. good luck.

--- Angie Stacey <rainmom@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I'm new to the list but I just have to respond to this. My son has

> autism and we think that the shots may have played a role in this.

> It really made us angry at first but then I think of all of the

> dreadful diseases he could have contracted if he didn't have the

> shots. There is plenty of testing in progress for this but I really

> don't think we will get a clear answer. I guess there's good and bad

> with everything.

>

> While I'm on, I'll give my intro. I am 27 and have had problems with

> IBS since my son was born 6 1/2 years ago. I never have any trouble

> before pregnancy. I had a polyp about 5 years ago but the dr didn't

> remove it. About 6 months later, I was experiencing alot of bleeding

> with bowel movements so went in to have it removed. Evidently the

> bleeding was the polyp itself because there was no sign of it during

> the test.

>

> I suffer mostly from constipation, sometimes for a week at a time.

> It seems that I'm fine for 2-3 weeks and then before I know it, I'm

> in misery. I feel and look like I'm pregnant at times because of the

> bloating. Is this normal for IBS? I'm still trying to detect what

> foods cause the problems but so far the only thing I've found is

> overeating; like steak and baked potatoes and speghetti.

>

> I'm open to any suggestions on controlling this. I'm a subsistute

> teacher and sometimes I'm just not up for working because of the way

> that I feel. I would love to be normal.

>

> Angie

> Re: vaccinations

>

>

> Hi Debbie.

>

> Do you know how many perfectly healthy children have died from the

> hep series compared to how many have died from hep. It is really

> scarey. And how many babies have gone from perfectly healthy to

> autistic from all the mercury in vaccinations. Or how many kids have

> add or adhd because of this.

>

> Do you know how many adults in the US have post polio syndrome now

> because of the polio vac. Or how many have cancer from the polio

> vac. There is one state where they got a particular blend of the

> polio vac that was tainted and the people in the state have an

> unusually high rate of cancer related to the vaccine. It is an M

> state, Can remember which one. Michigan or Minesota???

>

> Did you know that small pox spontaneously dissappeared from the whole

> planet at the same time, even in countries that never had the

> vaccine, like Africa. It was not the vaccine that wiped it out. It

> just dissappeared.

>

> I totally understand your view point, from your job, but honestly, if

> my child was being exposed to lots of disease at school I would take

> him/her out and homeschool before I would poison their system with

> mercury and the other complications that OFTEN arrise from

> vacinations.

>

> This is such a huge vast subject and I really did not mean to open up

> this discussion here because it really is off topic for this list and

> there are other lists that talk about this. So if you (a general

> public " you " , not a Deb " you " ) are unsure or unknowledgeable, then

> research and make an informed decision.

>

> I am not an expert in this. My personal experience is that my son

> did not have the ususal shots and he was almost never sick. Had

> maybe one cold in all his childhood and nothing else.

>

> For those who want more info. Go to

> ExcellentThings-subscribe and read Drapers posts

> for today. There are about four or five and they cover it quite

> well.

>

> Anyway, I am not an expert and don't even have links to send anyone

> to. I just have read alot about it for over thirty years, (my son is

> 31) and have seen the experiences of many parents. those with horror

> stories and those like me, who didn't get shots and have remarkably

> healthy kids.

>

> I am not planning on responding to any posts on this because this is

> as much as I feel confident to say. And I am hoping this doesn't

> turn into a pro/con war. Perhaps the ExcellentThings site would be a

> better place for a courteous discussion. We only have one major rule

> over there - be nice. If you are not, you are out.

>

> Blessings.

> Donna

> -----Original Message-----

>

>

> Oh My! I am in total disagreement with you on this... I work at a

> school and

> man I tell you that your child is exposed to so many diseases and

> risk

> factors!!! He/ she needs at the very least hep. series!!! It is

> running

> rampant in the school and the effects are devastating! If you

> love your child

> you will think about this!

>

> Debbie

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi all,

One more note regarding vaccinations (in addition to

my comments yesterday). There have been a few comments

on getting " exemptions " (a good idea).

Another option to look into is to get " titer tests "

done. This is a test where they check the child's

EXISTING immunity. Many times vaccination or boosters

are not needed in order to have the required immunity.

The results of the titer test are then used as an

" exemption " -- or something like that. (That is,

assuming the test shows that the child has immunity.)

Any doctor should be able to order these tests.

I really am not the expert on this. If you have

questions I recommend asking them on the

autism treatment list. Lots of advice there about

various ways to avoid immunizations. The danger

of immunization is widely recognized on this list

as a very serious consideration. Like I said,

I'm not that informed about all the details.

Moria

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My Sons, also got asthma after their vaccines, no one in our family has ever

had asthma.

Elaine

OT, vaccinations, was enema?

> > 1.. Do you feel this has anything to do with why she is not ill?

> The vaccinations I mean.

>

> Yes I do. Despite my doctors saying NO. My boys both started having

> chronic illnesses within a week of recieving vaccinations. My older

> boy did not recieve the pertussis because they were still using the

> live. His problems are more ADD type and ear infections, sinus

> infections. My younger boy 4, recieved the pertussis, within a week

> he had a bad chest cold, a month he had pneumonia, and then was

> diagnosed with asthma.

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No vaccine is 100% safe I would tell them to take there time and investigate

the issue READ READ READ. Take you time make and informed decison and if in

fact they decide to vax do ONE at a time try reading the book by Stepanie

Cave its pretty informative. There are lots of sites to read 909shot.com is a

good one <A HREF= " http://www.drday.com/vaccination.htm " >vaccinations, vaccines,

immunizations, immunity against diseases</A> <A

HREF= " http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html " >

VaccineWebsite.com</A> this one is very good <A

HREF= " http://www.childbirthsolutions.com/articles/postpartum/vaccine/index.php " >\

Vaccine Facts</A> this may give a

good start for reading I dont want to list to much and over whelm you. I

personally think it takes so long to come to a decison my daughter is alomst

2 and we are still researching this. good luck

AMY

MOMMY TO 4 KIDDIES

Chelsea 9

Carrigian 5

4

Chaela Noelle 15 mo

from the mouth of a 4 yr old

" your not fat mommy just squishy! " !!!! :o)

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HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/chevy974/myhomepagebaby.html " >The Haskett

bunch</A> <A HREF= " http://babiesonline.com/babies/c/chaela/ " >Chaela, born

12/22/2000</A>

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> hi everyone,

> I want to know if someone can tell me if there are any safe

vaccines out there? My son was injured by the DPT 6 years ago. My

brother just had a baby girl and he is asking me if there are any safe

vaccines. The doctor says that she is not using any vaccine with

thimerisol in it. Just looking for some advice.

Get Cave's book (you can get it from me at

www.noamalgam.com/vaccinations if you want) which discusses how to

give them shots so as to reduce risk.

If it were my kid I would give zero shots since the medical community

has totally destroyed any possibility of having credibility in my eyes

.. Others may need more hard experiences before they learn the lesson.

Most people would agree that with unknown and wilfully concealed

dangers, there is never any reason to get shots for diseases that do

not carry a significant risk of morbidity or mortality. For example,

chicken pox, flu. And for diseases like hepatitis B where there is no

real risk of getting them before puberty, there is also no reason to

vaccinate now rather than waiting 12 years and seeing if the problems

get worked out, or at least accurate information becomes avaialble.

Also note that all doctors say they are using thimerosal free shots.

In fact, if you read the vials, most are still using the thimerosal

preserved ones on their shelves. So the first prerequisite of any

vaccination being administered is that the parent read the vial and

then watch the syringe be filled from that vial.

Also, of course, no shots if there is any hint the child is sick.

Cave's book is really the best place to go for those who still have

enough (misguided if you ask me) trust in the medical system to be

willing to do ANYTHING for the next few years while some attempt is

made to sort out the truth.

Andy

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>

> Also note that all doctors say they are using thimerosal free

shots.

> In fact, if you read the vials, most are still using the thimerosal

> preserved ones on their shelves. So the first prerequisite of any

> vaccination being administered is that the parent read the vial and

> then watch the syringe be filled from that vial.

>

I just ran into this today. As I think about my children and when

they regressed, I remembered calling my pediatrician's office about

Harper having loose stools. This had been going on for a few weeks

before I ever called them because I thought she just had a virus and

was waiting for it to go away. I remember telling the nurse that it

started shortly after her round of vaccines. The nurse told me

Harper was probably teething. Yeah, right.

Today I called their office and asked them if they had a record of

this call. I didn't say anything about the vaccines, but instead

told the nurse that Harper was having further problems and we were

trying to get a date when they began. She looked at her chart and

said nothing was on it and that she couldn't help me.

After it was clear she wasn't going to help me I told her that

Harper's problem at this time wasn't teething at all, but instead a

reaction to the vaccine that I thought should be reported. She told

me there was nothing on her chart that said Harper had a reaction to

a vaccine and informed me that none of their vaccines contain

mercury. One of them, she said, was made with thimerosol, but then

the thimerosol is removed. Harper probably had most of her vaccines

while the thimerosol was still on the shelves (and I know it still

is). I, of course, attempted to educate the nurse, but I'm sure she

didn't believe me. I guess when you poke this garbage into kids it's

easier to turn a blind eye to what you're really doing.

Okay, so I'm doing a bit of venting here. Sorry.

Annissa

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it's ok to vent... I can't stop reliving what vaccines have done to my son.

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Hello. If you have epilepsy, you are more ceptable to get virus' and any

other germ that is around you for all anti-convulicent medications lowers

your immune system. And if you have children, it would be to thier best

interest to have thier shots because ther are far more people out there

carring virus' and illness' that we cant see with the human eye. You deal

with the public more than you did when you were a child, and so will your

children. Such as schools, stores, and any place where the public is

located.

We cant shield our children behind closed doors to keep them safe, but we can

give them a fighting chance with the proper health needs to start off. Of

course this is only my opinion.

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