Re: an interesting quote about low body temps from Dr Lowe

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> BUT we are talkign the SAME temperature here! Broda used ORAL temps.

Underarm temps you always add ONE degree to as compared with oral temps. iN my

tapes I have of a Broda seminar, he used ORAL. I have heard several

peopel ove rthe years say he used underarm. that for most peopel wiould put them

hyper.

>

Interesting. I have a book that quotes Dr. as saying he found

very little or no difference between axial and oral basal temps.

Maybe he changed his mind? I know my oral temps are not a whole degree

higher than my axials. Sometimes the difference can be .5 or .7 degree,

but OTOH, sometimes they are within .2 degree.

I decided to go with strictly axials, as my oral temps vary too much

because I am a mouth breather. It became too much of a burden to have to

wait 15-30 min with my mouth shut, feeling like I'm suffocating (scary)

in order to get an accurate oral temp

It would be a relief to know for sure what the axial range should

be......maybe I just have to chart and figure out my own best range?

sol

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OK I did remember BOTH mine atre the same... though a nurse friend of

mione says that shoudl not be. HMMM So I am weird. My underarm and

mouth themps are identical this AM both were 97.9. Supposedly we need ot

add one full degree to underarm temps.. SO I am stil ntosure what to

believe,.

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The worst of this problem is if your temps do NOT come up, there is

proof in clinical research that many of the enzymes our body needs to

funciton properly do nto function correctly or at all, in lower than

normal body temps. So for my money I would really try to get the body

temp to come up to normal. Many will nto feel totally well if they do

nto and there si not too many other things I have found besides hypo

that can cause the temps to stay too low. Just because doctors are

ignoring the facts I do nto think we should. Body temps are crtiical to

well being. Thsi si why our bodies mount a fever to fight

infections.whne your usual temps a re nto high enough a fever most

certainly will ntobe high enough to kill the bacterial and viral things

a fever is meant todo. I knwo whenI was in Myxedema my temps went DOWN

when I got sick and I almost died of pneumonia from it. I go ta whole

now opinion of my body;s ability to mount a fver when I got pneumnia

five time sback to back. I am stil thankful now when I run a fever for

my body;s ability to do it!

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>

>The worst of this problem is if your temps do NOT come up, there is

>proof in clinical research that many of the enzymes our body needs to

>funciton properly do nto function correctly or at all, in lower than

>normal body temps. So for my money I would really try to get the body

>temp to come up to normal.

Interesting, my afternoon temperature comes up to normal but my waking

temperature is staying low.

Nick

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Amen! Well said!!

Delores

Re: Re: an interesting quote about low body temps from Dr Lowe

The worst of this problem is if your temps do NOT come up, there is proof in clinical research that many of the enzymes our body needs to funciton properly do nto function correctly or at all, in lower than normal body temps. So for my money I would really try to get the body temp to come up to normal. Many will nto feel totally well if they do nto and there si not too many other things I have found besides hypo that can cause the temps to stay too low. Just because doctors are ignoring the facts I do nto think we should. Body temps are crtiical to well being. Thsi si why our bodies mount a fever to fight infections.whne your usual temps a re nto high enough a fever most certainly will ntobe high enough to kill the bacterial and viral things a fever is meant todo. I knwo whenI was in Myxedema my temps went DOWN when I got sick and I almost died of pneumonia from it. I go ta whole now opinion of my body;s ability to mount a fver when I got pneumnia five time sback to back. I am stil thankful now when I run a fever for my body;s ability to do it!-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WVhttp://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

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Venizia,

FWIW, I got the non-mercury kind from Walgreens (no one else carried it) and

compared it with my very good digital basal. The digital was not consistent.

Sometimes it was right on and sometimes it was low by .3 degrees or even 1 full

degree. This was done orally.

I tested oral against armpit and there was also a difference.

I, too, much prefer the ease in reading a digital. I wasn't able to

find a non-mercury digital and wasn't aware you could actually get them.

Deb in MI

hmmm I am using a digital basal therm. So what problems is THAT causing me?

Not as accurate? I have not seen a glass non mercury therm around here in

Wisconsin. Maybe I need to look again. I've had this one for about 6 mo.

>

> Venizia

>

>

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, we are thinking alike today! LOL!!! This am I used 2 thermometers and tested oral and underarm at the same time.

Oral 97.4

Underarm 97.2 Pretty close!

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Nick,

That is my situation also. It will be below 97.5 IF I wake up early like 6:30.

If I wake later like 7:30 or 8 it will be as high as 97.9. But in the afternoon

say around 3, it will be 98.1 or 2.

Venizia

>

>

> Interesting, my afternoon temperature comes up to normal but my waking

> temperature is staying low.

>

> Nick

>

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>That is my situation also. It will be below 97.5 IF I wake up early like 6:30.

If I wake later like 7:30 or 8 it will be as high as 97.9. But in the afternoon

say around 3, it will be 98.1 or 2.

It's interesting the way differentt people's bodies behave

Nick

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Which is why we cannot say what will work for someone will also work for you or

me.

Venizia

>

> >That is my situation also. It will be below 97.5 IF I wake up early like

6:30. If I wake later like 7:30 or 8 it will be as high as 97.9. But in the

afternoon say around 3, it will be 98.1 or 2.

>

> It's interesting the way differentt people's bodies behave

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Your temps look similar to mine and the pattern is normal but showing that you

are hypo. Your basal morning temp should be your lowest body temp, then it will

rise throughout the day, peak in mid afternoon and then decline again.

Eventually, we want our basal temp to be 97.8-98.2 and our AVERAGE daily temp to

be 98.6ish. Right now my basal temp is 97.4 and my average is 97.9 so I have a

ways to go.

Radar

>

> That is my situation also. It will be below 97.5 IF I wake up early like

6:30. If I wake later like 7:30 or 8 it will be as high as 97.9. But in the

afternoon say around 3, it will be 98.1 or 2.

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Radar,

Yes I agree with you I am hypo. My problem, I am having problems with the

cytomel with high pulse...so at this point, I do not know what to do. I cannot

have too many days with a pulse at 111. This morning after cutting out the

10mcg I had worked up to, along with 75mcg, it was 77 and THEN I went and did

yard work and it went to 105 an hour after the yard work. I am stumped and hope

someone has an answer for me. I do feel hypo where when I was taking 75mcg plus

the added 10mcg a day, I did not feel hypo. I believe my adrenals are ok

because of the results of an ACTH stim test and what Janie book has to say.

Venizia

> >

> > That is my situation also. It will be below 97.5 IF I wake up early like

6:30. If I wake later like 7:30 or 8 it will be as high as 97.9. But in the

afternoon say around 3, it will be 98.1 or 2.

>

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Hi Venezia,

Didn't you change from using compounded SR to cytomel? I may be wrong??

Anyway, I was using the compounded SRT3 and changed to Cynomel thinking it might help but I could not take the straight cynomel. It was too harsh on my adrenals and I had trouble with my pulse going a bit crazy as well. I switched back to the SR and I'm doing so much better as far as pulse and heart are concerned.

We are not all the same and some of us just can't tolerate the straight T3 as easy as others. I am one of those people. Just something to consider. I do know that I have had to use rather high doses of the SRT3 in comparison to what one might use with cytomel/cynomel and I have still been able to reach that clearing point. I am going on week 13 and still hanging in there. I'm hoping that the T3 will get into my receptors soon or I'm thinking that I may try a combination of the T3 and Armour. I'm losing my patience but want to do what's best in order to feel better.

Subject: Re: an interesting quote about low body temps from Dr LoweTo: RT3_T3 Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 12:58 PM

Radar,Yes I agree with you I am hypo. My problem, I am having problems with the cytomel with high pulse...so at this point, I do not know what to do. I cannot have too many days with a pulse at 111. This morning after cutting out the 10mcg I had worked up to, along with 75mcg, it was 77 and THEN I went and did yard work and it went to 105 an hour after the yard work. I am stumped and hope someone has an answer for me. I do feel hypo where when I was taking 75mcg plus the added 10mcg a day, I did not feel hypo. I believe my adrenals are ok because of the results of an ACTH stim test and what Janie book has to say.Venizia> >> > That is my situation also. It will be below 97.5 IF I wake up early like 6:30. If I wake later like 7:30 or 8 it will be as high as 97.9. But in the afternoon say around 3, it will be 98.1 or 2.>

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Hi ,

Yes I used SRT3 for about 4 or 5 weeks. Thought I was having problems with that

because of the capsules ( a lot of sensitivities ) but as I am finding out the

fillers in cytomel may be just as bad if not worse for me. I was hoping with

the SRt3 I would be able to open the capsules but my pharmacist said because it

was slow release, I couldn't do that. I am now thinking asking the pharmacist

if they will make a capsule of JUST T3 Regular not SR so that I CAN open the

capsules. I am very discouraged with not tolerating this let alone how long

this is actually going to take to get a break thru. I am also going to call my

Naturopath and see where I actually am.

I did work in the yard this morning and I still do not feel well. My pulse is

still high and I have NO energy, feel weak.

Thanks for your concern and suggestions!

Venizia

> > >

> > > That is my situation also. It will be below 97.5 IF I wake up early like

6:30. If I wake later like 7:30 or 8 it will be as high as 97.9. But in the

afternoon say around 3, it will be 98.1 or 2.

> >

>

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This is very interesting to me because my daughters doc just put her on 37.5 2x a day srt3. So a total of 75. She will be dropping the 3 grains armour at the same time. I know that 75mcg srt is low.

On another note. I have something intersting. I was on unrelieable immediate release t3 . I was taking 75mcg, yet my t3 blood numbers were too low. so I added to 100mcg and even 125 mcg, with no really noticable adrenal stress symptoms.

SO I changed to a different brand and filler...and all the sudden I could only take 50 mcg..or try 62.5 mcg a day! AND at that dose...each time I take 25 mcg pill, my heart pinches and I think its adrenal stress. wierd,huh?

SO, before my dr appointment on tuesday, I wanted to have as much information...so I yesterday and today, I have switched back again to the first " unrelieable" one. Immeadiatly, I can take 100mcg..and the heart pinch and stress is gone....why? I wish I had a clue to give some insight to my doc on tuesday. leisa

Subject: Re: an interesting quote about low body temps from Dr LoweTo: RT3_T3 Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 12:58 PM

Radar,Yes I agree with you I am hypo. My problem, I am having problems with the cytomel with high pulse...so at this point, I do not know what to do. I cannot have too many days with a pulse at 111. This morning after cutting out the 10mcg I had worked up to, along with 75mcg, it was 77 and THEN I went and did yard work and it went to 105 an hour after the yard work. I am stumped and hope someone has an answer for me. I do feel hypo where when I was taking 75mcg plus the added 10mcg a day, I did not feel hypo. I believe my adrenals are ok because of the results of an ACTH stim test and what Janie book has to say.Venizia> >> > That is my situation also. It will be below 97.5 IF I wake up early like 6:30. If I wake later like 7:30 or 8 it will be as high as 97.9. But in the afternoon say around 3, it will be 98.1 or 2.>

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Thanks Val,

I think I'll pick up a 2nd thermometer and test mine too.

Liz

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From:

OK I did remember BOTH mine atre the same... though a nurse friend of mione says that shoudl not be. HMMM So I am weird. My underarm and mouth themps are identical this AM both were 97.9. Supposedly we need ot add one full degree to underarm temps.. SO I am stil ntosure what to believe,.

..

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>

>I think I'll pick up a 2nd thermometer and test mine too.

If you are doing simultanious readings you ought to swap thermometers

the next day and try it the other way round in case there is a

difference in calibration.

Either that or check them by putting both in the same place at the

same time.

Nick

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Yes it is very interesting and confusing. I have never seemed to notice any change in my compounded meds. They seem to be very even. I have heard good things about my compounding pharmacist, so maybe they are very reliable. It's hard to say when there are so many variables in meds and fillers. Good Luck with your Dr's. visit.

From: venizia1948 <nelsoncksbcglobal (DOT) net>Subject: Re: an interesting quote about low body temps from Dr LoweTo: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 12:58 PM

Radar,Yes I agree with you I am hypo. My problem, I am having problems with the cytomel with high pulse...so at this point, I do not know what to do. I cannot have too many days with a pulse at 111. This morning after cutting out the 10mcg I had worked up to, along with 75mcg, it was 77 and THEN I went and did yard work and it went to 105 an hour after the yard work. I am stumped and hope someone has an answer for me. I do feel hypo where when I was taking 75mcg plus the added 10mcg a day, I did not feel hypo. I believe my adrenals are ok because of the results of an ACTH stim test and what Janie book has to say.Venizia> >> > That is my situation also. It will be below 97.5 IF I wake up early like 6:30. If I wake later like 7:30 or 8 it will be as high as 97.9. But in the afternoon say around 3, it will be 98.1 or 2.>

[Guest guest]

" Well so then should we go according to how we feel as far as temps go

also like

we do with NT??? "

As labs are so not greta, and there ae so many things that can affect

vitals, I use a combo of things when it ocmes to homrones to determine

MY correct dose I use SYMOPTMS number 1! Then I lok at vitals , temps,

BP and pulse all are important, thne I look at labs. if any of thee are

nto where they shoudo be I look for causes. This methodical, but SLOW,

method has fixed innumerouos issues for me and is still correcting

issues but ti si -painstakingly slow. I have thus far corrected hypo,

Congestive heart failure, adrenal; rfatigue, killer HIGH BP, Potassium

issues (though I have YET to find the cause) RT3 issues, and am working

on correcting the Diabetes which I think is linked ot my undetectable

IGF-1. But I have been workingon this for 15 years!

" By the way, I have reduced my cytomel by 10mcg a day because of high

pulse to

see if it is the AMOUNT I am taking and today my pulse is 111. I am more and

more convinced that it is the ingredients in the cytomel that is causing the

high pulse. OR did I reduce too fast...one day I cut back 5 mcg, the

next day I

cut out the other 5 mcg I had added to 75mcg. "

When I am in doubt I do labs, If they look liek I am nto hyper with a

high pusle I look at anything else that might be causing it. sometimes

we have taken a supplement longer than we needed to.. some of thes

ethings DO build uop too high in thre body and cause issues over time.

With highopulse issue I could not explain wiht thyroid or adrenals or

low sodium, I woudl next stop ALL supplements and reintroduce them one

at a time.

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Thanks Val,

Yes I should know it is going to be a slow process, I have been trying for over

20yrs to feel good why should now be any different, right?

The only supplement I am taking is potassium and that lab came back this week as

3.7. I am used to it being at least 4.2.

I was taking selenium but since i thought the fact that I was taking it with my

potassium may be causing that to be low, I haven't been consistent for about the

last week taking selenium.

I will try and work through this. Today I feel like crap so I DID take one of

the 5mcg I HAD cut out. See what happens.

Thanks Val

Venizia

>

> " Well so then should we go according to how we feel as far as temps go

> also like

> we do with NT??? "

>

> As labs are so not greta, and there ae so many things that can affect

> vitals, I use a combo of things when it ocmes to homrones to determine

> MY correct dose I use SYMOPTMS number 1! Then I lok at vitals , temps,

> BP and pulse all are important, thne I look at labs. if any of thee are

> nto where they shoudo be I look for causes. This methodical, but SLOW,

> method has fixed innumerouos issues for me and is still correcting

> issues but ti si -painstakingly slow. I have thus far corrected hypo,

> Congestive heart failure, adrenal; rfatigue, killer HIGH BP, Potassium

> issues (though I have YET to find the cause) RT3 issues, and am working

> on correcting the Diabetes which I think is linked ot my undetectable

> IGF-1. But I have been workingon this for 15 years!

>

> " By the way, I have reduced my cytomel by 10mcg a day because of high

> pulse to

> see if it is the AMOUNT I am taking and today my pulse is 111. I am more and

> more convinced that it is the ingredients in the cytomel that is causing the

> high pulse. OR did I reduce too fast...one day I cut back 5 mcg, the

> next day I

> cut out the other 5 mcg I had added to 75mcg. "

>

> When I am in doubt I do labs, If they look liek I am nto hyper with a

> high pusle I look at anything else that might be causing it. sometimes

> we have taken a supplement longer than we needed to.. some of thes

> ethings DO build uop too high in thre body and cause issues over time.

> With highopulse issue I could not explain wiht thyroid or adrenals or

> low sodium, I woudl next stop ALL supplements and reintroduce them one

> at a time.

>

> --

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>

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> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

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>

[Guest guest]

>As labs are so not greta, and there ae so many things that can affect

>vitals, I use a combo of things when it ocmes to homrones to determine

>MY correct dose I use SYMOPTMS number 1! Then I lok at vitals , temps,

>BP and pulse all are important, thne I look at labs. if any of thee are

>nto where they shoudo be I look for causes. This methodical, but SLOW,

Thanks for good guidance there Val

Nick

[Guest guest]

>As labs are so not greta, and there ae so many things that can affect

>vitals, I use a combo of things when it ocmes to homrones to determine

>MY correct dose I use SYMOPTMS number 1! Then I lok at vitals , temps,

>BP and pulse all are important, thne I look at labs. if any of thee are

>nto where they shoudo be I look for causes. This methodical, but SLOW,

Thanks for good guidance there Val

Nick

[Guest guest]

Nick,

Thanks for the good idea ... I'm so Hypo I wouldn't have thought of that!

:0) Liz

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From: Nick Foot

If you are doing simultanious readings you ought to swap thermometersthe next day and try it the other way round in case there is adifference in calibration.Either that or check them by putting both in the same place at thesame time.Nick

[Guest guest]

Nick,

Thanks for the good idea ... I'm so Hypo I wouldn't have thought of that!

:0) Liz

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From: Nick Foot

If you are doing simultanious readings you ought to swap thermometersthe next day and try it the other way round in case there is adifference in calibration.Either that or check them by putting both in the same place at thesame time.Nick

[Guest guest]

>Thanks for the good idea ... I'm so Hypo I wouldn't have thought of that!

That's the biggest problem with being Hypo, you can't think through

the problems you have and work out the answers because you lose the

ability to focus and think straight and the will to fight the system.

Before I found what was going on I was stuck in a very comfortable rut

and coasting along in the world, now I can move on and do things!.

Nick