Re: an interesting quote about low body temps from Dr Lowe

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" Yet, through all these better years for me, my underarm basal body temperature

has remained between 96.7 and 97.2 degrees F. (Dr. defined the normal

basal temperature as 97.8-to-98.2 degrees F.) "

BUT we are talkign the SAME temperature here! Broda used ORAL temps.

Underarm temps you always add ONE degree to as compared with oral temps. iN my

tapes I have of a Broda seminar, he used ORAL. I have heard several

peopel ove rthe years say he used underarm. that for most peopel wiould put them

hyper.

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" Yet, through all these better years for me, my underarm basal body temperature

has remained between 96.7 and 97.2 degrees F. (Dr. defined the normal

basal temperature as 97.8-to-98.2 degrees F.) "

BUT we are talkign the SAME temperature here! Broda used ORAL temps.

Underarm temps you always add ONE degree to as compared with oral temps. iN my

tapes I have of a Broda seminar, he used ORAL. I have heard several

peopel ove rthe years say he used underarm. that for most peopel wiould put them

hyper.

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" Yet, through all these better years for me, my underarm basal body temperature

has remained between 96.7 and 97.2 degrees F. (Dr. defined the normal

basal temperature as 97.8-to-98.2 degrees F.) "

BUT we are talkign the SAME temperature here! Broda used ORAL temps.

Underarm temps you always add ONE degree to as compared with oral temps. iN my

tapes I have of a Broda seminar, he used ORAL. I have heard several

peopel ove rthe years say he used underarm. that for most peopel wiould put them

hyper.

--

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" Yet, through all these better years for me, my underarm basal body temperature

has remained between 96.7 and 97.2 degrees F. (Dr. defined the normal

basal temperature as 97.8-to-98.2 degrees F.) "

BUT we are talkign the SAME temperature here! Broda used ORAL temps.

Underarm temps you always add ONE degree to as compared with oral temps. iN my

tapes I have of a Broda seminar, he used ORAL. I have heard several

peopel ove rthe years say he used underarm. that for most peopel wiould put them

hyper.

--

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

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" Yet, through all these better years for me, my underarm basal body temperature

has remained between 96.7 and 97.2 degrees F. (Dr. defined the normal

basal temperature as 97.8-to-98.2 degrees F.) "

BUT we are talkign the SAME temperature here! Broda used ORAL temps.

Underarm temps you always add ONE degree to as compared with oral temps. iN my

tapes I have of a Broda seminar, he used ORAL. I have heard several

peopel ove rthe years say he used underarm. that for most peopel wiould put them

hyper.

--

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

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>The reason some patients' temperatures remain low is what I call " differential

tissue sensitivity to thyroid hormone. " I came to this conclusion from many

discussions with molecular biologists who do thyroid hormone research. In

patients whose temperatures stay low, the temperature-raising enzymes whose gene

transcription is increased by thyroid hormone (such as sodium-potassium-ATPase)

are apparently partly or wholly exempt from regulation by thyroid hormone.

Because of this, the patients' body temperatures simply aren't a useful gauge.

They must use other physiological measures to assess their tissue responses to a

particular dosage of thyroid hormone.

Thanks for this, very interesting

Nick

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I didn't know Dr. used oral! (Who started that!?!) I have been using underarm. With oral , do you still leave the thermometer in for 10 minutes? Thanks!

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Depends on the thermometer. Mine seem to stop going up after 5 minutes so that is what I use.

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[Guest guest]

Why isn't anyone concerned about the following comment from dr. lowe? Doesn't

this say we may be beating a dead horse here with trying to get are temps just

right?! Am I missing something????

Venizia

" The reason some patients' temperatures remain low is what I call " differential

tissue sensitivity to thyroid hormone. " I came to this conclusion from many

discussions with molecular biologists who do thyroid hormone research. In

patients whose temperatures stay low, the temperature- raising enzymes whose

gene transcription is increased by thyroid hormone (such as sodium-potassium-

ATPase) are apparently partly or wholly exempt from regulation by thyroid

hormone. Because of this, the patients' body temperatures simply aren't a useful

gauge. They must use other physiological measures to assess their tissue

responses to a particular dosage of thyroid hormone. "

[Guest guest]

>

>Why isn't anyone concerned about the following comment from dr. lowe? Doesn't

this say we may be beating a dead horse here with trying to get are temps just

right?! Am I missing something????

Seems interesting to me,

My morning temperature remains low even when I feel pretty good.

It's slowly creeping up through the day towards nominal by mid

afternoon.

Nick

[Guest guest]

Is armpit the recommended method? I've been taking my oral temp this whole time. Eh, at least it shows fluctuation relative to itself, lol.To: RT3_T3 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 12:56:58 PMSubject: Re: Re: an interesting quote about

low body temps from Dr Lowe

Depends on the thermometer. Mine seem to stop going up after 5 minutes so that is what I use.

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Well so then should we go according to how we feel as far as temps go also like

we do with NT???

By the way, I have reduced my cytomel by 10mcg a day because of high pulse to

see if it is the AMOUNT I am taking and today my pulse is 111. I am more and

more convinced that it is the ingredients in the cytomel that is causing the

high pulse. OR did I reduce too fast...one day I cut back 5 mcg, the next day I

cut out the other 5 mcg I had added to 75mcg.

Venizia

>

> >

> >Why isn't anyone concerned about the following comment from dr. lowe? Doesn't

this say we may be beating a dead horse here with trying to get are temps just

right?! Am I missing something????

>

> Seems interesting to me,

>

> My morning temperature remains low even when I feel pretty good.

>

> It's slowly creeping up through the day towards nominal by mid

> afternoon.

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Val,

Everything I've ever read, or googled & read, about Broda says that used BASAL not oral temps, including this educational packet available for order at brodabarnes.org: http://www.brodabarnes.org/educational_packets.htm

Could you have misheard when listening to the seminar tape?

I've always understood that was Basal Body Temp and Rind was 3xday Oral Temp ...

Liz

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" Yet, through all these better years for me, my underarm basal body temperature has remained between 96.7 and 97.2 degrees F. (Dr. defined the normal basal temperature as 97.8-to-98.2 degrees F.)"BUT we are talkign the SAME temperature here! Broda used ORAL temps. Underarm temps you always add ONE degree to as compared with oral temps. iN my tapes I have of a Broda seminar, he used ORAL. I have heard several peopel ove rthe years say he used underarm. that for most peopel wiould put them hyper. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

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[Guest guest]

Interesting...thanks for clarifying

>

> " Yet, through all these better years for me, my underarm basal body

temperature has remained between 96.7 and 97.2 degrees F. (Dr. defined

the normal basal temperature as 97.8-to-98.2 degrees F.) "

>

> BUT we are talkign the SAME temperature here! Broda used ORAL temps.

Underarm temps you always add ONE degree to as compared with oral temps. iN my

tapes I have of a Broda seminar, he used ORAL. I have heard several

peopel ove rthe years say he used underarm. that for most peopel wiould put them

hyper.

>

> --

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>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

[Guest guest]

Isn't it normal to have lower temps in the morning? Or maybe not?

>

> >

> >Why isn't anyone concerned about the following comment from dr. lowe? Doesn't

this say we may be beating a dead horse here with trying to get are temps just

right?! Am I missing something????

>

> Seems interesting to me,

>

> My morning temperature remains low even when I feel pretty good.

>

> It's slowly creeping up through the day towards nominal by mid

> afternoon.

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Venizia,

I can't say that my experience will apply to others, but I'd been taking 100mcg of Cytomel for a year with RT3 long gone, and since April Hypo symptoms have returned. I was also having a high pulse, despite all other symptoms being Hypo. May 1st I had an FT3 of 4.7 (2-3.7 range), and Val felt with this range on Cytomel only I probably needed to aim for a mid 5 range (after getting my sodium up a bit).

I increased Cytomel to 125mcg on 6/8 and the high pulse has disappeared! Unfortunately, my Hypo symptoms haven't yet, so will be increasing Cytomel some more shortly.

Liz

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From: venizia1948

Well so then should we go according to how we feel as far as temps go also like we do with NT???By the way, I have reduced my cytomel by 10mcg a day because of high pulse to see if it is the AMOUNT I am taking and today my pulse is 111. I am more and more convinced that it is the ingredients in the cytomel that is causing the high pulse. OR did I reduce too fast...one day I cut back 5 mcg, the next day I cut out the other 5 mcg I had added to 75mcg.Venizia

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[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear about your pulse, Venezia. This is very frustrating.

> >

> > >

> > >Why isn't anyone concerned about the following comment from dr. lowe?

Doesn't this say we may be beating a dead horse here with trying to get are

temps just right?! Am I missing something????

> >

> > Seems interesting to me,

> >

> > My morning temperature remains low even when I feel pretty good.

> >

> > It's slowly creeping up through the day towards nominal by mid

> > afternoon.

> >

> > Nick

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Wow this is interesting! Sorry to butt in...your pulse went down when you

increased?? Did you change anything else or did you change the type of T3 you

took?

-- In RT3_T3 , " Just Me3 " wrote:

>

> Hi Venizia,

>

> I can't say that my experience will apply to others, but I'd been taking

100mcg of Cytomel for a year with RT3 long gone, and since April Hypo symptoms

have returned. I was also having a high pulse, despite all other symptoms being

Hypo. May 1st I had an FT3 of 4.7 (2-3.7 range), and Val felt with this range

on Cytomel only I probably needed to aim for a mid 5 range (after getting my

sodium up a bit).

>

> I increased Cytomel to 125mcg on 6/8 and the high pulse has disappeared!

Unfortunately, my Hypo symptoms haven't yet, so will be increasing Cytomel some

more shortly.

>

> Liz

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: venizia1948

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Well so then should we go according to how we feel as far as temps go also

like we do with NT???

>

> By the way, I have reduced my cytomel by 10mcg a day because of high pulse

to see if it is the AMOUNT I am taking and today my pulse is 111. I am more and

more convinced that it is the ingredients in the cytomel that is causing the

high pulse. OR did I reduce too fast...one day I cut back 5 mcg, the next day I

cut out the other 5 mcg I had added to 75mcg.

>

> Venizia

>

>

> .

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, not Val but I hope you don't mind.

I take my temps orally WITH a basal thermometer. Is this perhaps where the

confusion is?

Venizia

>

> Hi Val,

>

> Everything I've ever read, or googled & read, about Broda says that

used BASAL not oral temps, including this educational packet available

for order at brodabarnes.org: http://www.brodabarnes.org/educational_packets.htm

>

> Could you have misheard when listening to the seminar tape?

>

> I've always understood that was Basal Body Temp and Rind was 3xday Oral

Temp ...

>

> Liz

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From:

>

>

>

>

> " Yet, through all these better years for me, my underarm basal body

temperature has remained between 96.7 and 97.2 degrees F. (Dr. defined

the normal basal temperature as 97.8-to-98.2 degrees F.) "

>

> BUT we are talkign the SAME temperature here! Broda used ORAL temps.

Underarm temps you always add ONE degree to as compared with oral temps. iN my

tapes I have of a Broda seminar, he used ORAL. I have heard several

peopel ove rthe years say he used underarm. that for most peopel wiould put them

hyper.

>

> --

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>

>

> .

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Liz,

So you are saying that if I increase I may have a lower pulse. Boy, I am really

scared to go up higher than I was which was 85mcg - 25mcg + 5mcg added 2 times a

day. When my pules today is 111. Actually I am taking 25mcg 3x a day and adding

5mcg to that 2 times a day. My dilema is my food and med sensitivities - not a

typical case am I.

Venizia

>

> Hi Venizia,

>

> I can't say that my experience will apply to others, but I'd been taking

100mcg of Cytomel for a year with RT3 long gone, and since April Hypo symptoms

have returned. I was also having a high pulse, despite all other symptoms being

Hypo. May 1st I had an FT3 of 4.7 (2-3.7 range), and Val felt with this range

on Cytomel only I probably needed to aim for a mid 5 range (after getting my

sodium up a bit).

>

> I increased Cytomel to 125mcg on 6/8 and the high pulse has disappeared!

Unfortunately, my Hypo symptoms haven't yet, so will be increasing Cytomel some

more shortly.

>

> Liz

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: venizia1948

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Well so then should we go according to how we feel as far as temps go also

like we do with NT???

>

> By the way, I have reduced my cytomel by 10mcg a day because of high pulse

to see if it is the AMOUNT I am taking and today my pulse is 111. I am more and

more convinced that it is the ingredients in the cytomel that is causing the

high pulse. OR did I reduce too fast...one day I cut back 5 mcg, the next day I

cut out the other 5 mcg I had added to 75mcg.

>

> Venizia

>

>

> .

>

[Guest guest]

I certainly do. If I wake up at 6:30 and take my temp, it will be in the low

97's. The later I wake up the higher my temp will be. This morning I awoke at

7:45 and my temp was 98.1.

Venizia

> >

> > >

> > >Why isn't anyone concerned about the following comment from dr. lowe?

Doesn't this say we may be beating a dead horse here with trying to get are

temps just right?! Am I missing something????

> >

> > Seems interesting to me,

> >

> > My morning temperature remains low even when I feel pretty good.

> >

> > It's slowly creeping up through the day towards nominal by mid

> > afternoon.

> >

> > Nick

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you. Yes it is but I am determined to get to the bottom of this. I do

not know what I would do if I didn't have this group to vent.

Venizia

> > >

> > > >

> > > >Why isn't anyone concerned about the following comment from dr. lowe?

Doesn't this say we may be beating a dead horse here with trying to get are

temps just right?! Am I missing something????

> > >

> > > Seems interesting to me,

> > >

> > > My morning temperature remains low even when I feel pretty good.

> > >

> > > It's slowly creeping up through the day towards nominal by mid

> > > afternoon.

> > >

> > > Nick

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

you know as I think about this some more, maybe there is something to this Liz.

My pulse HAS gone up since decrease the 5mcg. I hope Val reads this....HELP!

VAL! What do you think!

Venizia

> >

> > Hi Venizia,

> >

> > I can't say that my experience will apply to others, but I'd been taking

100mcg of Cytomel for a year with RT3 long gone, and since April Hypo symptoms

have returned. I was also having a high pulse, despite all other symptoms being

Hypo. May 1st I had an FT3 of 4.7 (2-3.7 range), and Val felt with this range

on Cytomel only I probably needed to aim for a mid 5 range (after getting my

sodium up a bit).

> >

> > I increased Cytomel to 125mcg on 6/8 and the high pulse has disappeared!

Unfortunately, my Hypo symptoms haven't yet, so will be increasing Cytomel some

more shortly.

> >

> > Liz

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: venizia1948

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Well so then should we go according to how we feel as far as temps go also

like we do with NT???

> >

> > By the way, I have reduced my cytomel by 10mcg a day because of high pulse

to see if it is the AMOUNT I am taking and today my pulse is 111. I am more and

more convinced that it is the ingredients in the cytomel that is causing the

high pulse. OR did I reduce too fast...one day I cut back 5 mcg, the next day I

cut out the other 5 mcg I had added to 75mcg.

> >

> > Venizia

> >

> >

> > .

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>Isn't it normal to have lower temps in the morning? Or maybe not?

Yes, but mine are a lot lower, 36.2C on waking though it's creeping up

a little with the T3

Nick

[Guest guest]

No butting in seen!

Yes, my pulse went down when I increased the Cytomel. No change in type or brand of thyroid rx; I take brand name Cytomel. I'd decreased Estrogen 3-4 weeks earlier, and my understanding is that decrease should have already been realized by the time I increased the Cytomel, so I don't think the Estrogen decrease impacted my pulse.

I can't think of any other changes that were made during this time frame, and am pretty certain there weren't any, but I AM still Hypo, so I don't entirely trust my brain LOL!

I am NOt saying that increasing T3 will reduce pulse in anyone else .... just that this was my experience!

Liz

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From: wliz@...

Wow this is interesting! Sorry to butt in...your pulse went down when you increased?? Did you change anything else or did you change the type of T3 you took?-- In RT3_T3 , "Just Me3" wrote:>> Hi Venizia,> > I can't say that my experience will apply to others, but I'd been taking 100mcg of Cytomel for a year with RT3 long gone, and since April Hypo symptoms have returned. I was also having a high pulse, despite all other symptoms being Hypo. May 1st I had an FT3 of 4.7 (2-3.7 range), and Val felt with this range on Cytomel only I probably needed to aim for a mid 5 range (after getting my sodium up a bit).> > I increased Cytomel to 125mcg on 6/8 and the high pulse has disappeared! Unfortunately, my Hypo symptoms haven't yet, so will be increasing Cytomel some more shortly.> > Liz>

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