Saliva Test Results

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

Finally got my saliva test results. Anyone have any comments? Would appreciate

them all! BTW..... I'm 42 and this test was done in the luteal phase (day 19-20

of a

26 day cycle.)

Estradiol 2.6 (1.0-5.0) (Optimal 1.5-3.0)

Progesterone 35 (100-600)

Ratio Pg/E2 13 (200-1000)

Testosterone 37 (20-50)

DHEA-S 15.6 (3-10)

Cortisol AM 2.9 (3-8)

Cortisol Noon 9.6 (2-4)

Cortisol Evening 2.9 (1-2)

Cortisol Night 0.6 (0.5-1.5)

I thought the DHEA-S was interesting given the fact that I had had my serum

DHEA-S

level done about 3 weeks earlier via my doc and it came back at 130 (44-352).

But

had this blood drawn about 4pm which would correspond to my Noon saliva result

showing high cortisol. Incidentally, my serum cortisol at the same time as the

serum

DHEA-S was 11 (4-22 or 3-17 -- don't know what the difference between the 2

ranges are yet.) Will perhaps write the ZRT Lab (where I got these saliva

tests done)

and ask which tube they use to test the DHEA. If it's the first tube (AM) it

would make

sense because the cortisol from that tube was low.

I should also note here that I took my samples based on my " night person "

schedule,

i.e. at 12:30pm, 4:30pm, 8pm and 4am. Have been on a night schedule for over 7

years now and wanted to see what was going on in relation to the hours I keep.

I also

was having one of my heart pounding episodes during the Night tube collection

time

(4am.) I always thought this was a high cortisol thing but I see it's not.

Probably

means it's an adrenaline thing or a blood sugar thing. More likely a blood

sugar issue

since I don't have many of them now that I'm eating more regular/frequently and

have

increased my protein intake considerably. And simple/refined carbs make me feel

really bad!

In the comments, they suggested bio-identical progesterone supplementation and

adrenal gland support, including phosphatidyl serine (PS). They also commented

that

my symptoms (you rate symptoms according to severity at the time of the tests)

suggest insulin resistence. Anyone here medicating and/or self-treating these

and

what are you doing for it? Anyone have info on where to obtain bio-identical

progesterone or herb preparations to assist with getting the progesterone up a

little?

I have Isocort (but haven't taken any) and have used PS. Restarted the PS on

Thursday

before I got these results because I knew it helped regulate cortisol. On

Saturday, I

had a really great day! If any of you remember, I got a script from my doc

about 3

weeks ago for hydrocortisone, 10mg twice a day. The only thing it really did

for me

was make me puff up, made me extremely depressed and gave me a huge yeast

infection. Perhaps 20mg a day was just too much and/or would have been better

taken with the PS.

Plan on making out a chart-like thing that distinguish which symptoms go along

with

each hormone excess/deficiency. Anyone interested in seeing something like

this?

Any comments on the results? Thanks bunches!

Janet

[Guest guest]

Yes, I would be interested in seeing that, Janet. And, before I got on down

further reading your letter, I was going to comment about you being a night

worker. I don't think it's normal for us to do night work (I've been on

graveyards forever, also), but I do think that, if we work at it, our bodies

will compensate, as long as we are creating a " falso night " when we sleep,

getting plenty of sleep, eating right, and trying to treat our conditions. It

would be fitting for your cortisol to be going down in the mornings, before you

lie down to sleep. If you took the one before that (at 4 am, I think you said?)

at work, it would be no small wonder that you would be having heart pounding,

due to the nature of the work (that stress thing). Thank goodness the cortisol

isn't coming up at 8 am, considering you would be trying to sleep about that

time. It looks also like you are in " estrogen overdrive " , meaning not enough

progesterone to balance a normal amt of estrogen. I think that

www.antiaging-systems.com has the progesterone, not sure about other places,

unless you can find a doctor who treats with bioidentical hormones.

Saliva Test Results

Hi All,

Finally got my saliva test results. Anyone have any comments? Would

appreciate

them all! BTW..... I'm 42 and this test was done in the luteal phase (day

19-20 of a

26 day cycle.)

Estradiol 2.6 (1.0-5.0) (Optimal 1.5-3.0)

Progesterone 35 (100-600)

Ratio Pg/E2 13 (200-1000)

Testosterone 37 (20-50)

DHEA-S 15.6 (3-10)

Cortisol AM 2.9 (3-8)

Cortisol Noon 9.6 (2-4)

Cortisol Evening 2.9 (1-2)

Cortisol Night 0.6 (0.5-1.5)

I thought the DHEA-S was interesting given the fact that I had had my serum

DHEA-S

level done about 3 weeks earlier via my doc and it came back at 130 (44-352).

But

had this blood drawn about 4pm which would correspond to my Noon saliva result

showing high cortisol. Incidentally, my serum cortisol at the same time as

the serum

DHEA-S was 11 (4-22 or 3-17 -- don't know what the difference between the 2

ranges are yet.) Will perhaps write the ZRT Lab (where I got these saliva

tests done)

and ask which tube they use to test the DHEA. If it's the first tube (AM) it

would make

sense because the cortisol from that tube was low.

I should also note here that I took my samples based on my " night person "

schedule,

i.e. at 12:30pm, 4:30pm, 8pm and 4am. Have been on a night schedule for over

7

years now and wanted to see what was going on in relation to the hours I keep.

I also

was having one of my heart pounding episodes during the Night tube collection

time

(4am.) I always thought this was a high cortisol thing but I see it's not.

Probably

means it's an adrenaline thing or a blood sugar thing. More likely a blood

sugar issue

since I don't have many of them now that I'm eating more regular/frequently

and have

increased my protein intake considerably. And simple/refined carbs make me

feel

really bad!

In the comments, they suggested bio-identical progesterone supplementation and

adrenal gland support, including phosphatidyl serine (PS). They also

commented that

my symptoms (you rate symptoms according to severity at the time of the tests)

suggest insulin resistence. Anyone here medicating and/or self-treating these

and

what are you doing for it? Anyone have info on where to obtain bio-identical

progesterone or herb preparations to assist with getting the progesterone up a

little?

I have Isocort (but haven't taken any) and have used PS. Restarted the PS on

Thursday

before I got these results because I knew it helped regulate cortisol. On

Saturday, I

had a really great day! If any of you remember, I got a script from my doc

about 3

weeks ago for hydrocortisone, 10mg twice a day. The only thing it really did

for me

was make me puff up, made me extremely depressed and gave me a huge yeast

infection. Perhaps 20mg a day was just too much and/or would have been better

taken with the PS.

Plan on making out a chart-like thing that distinguish which symptoms go along

with

each hormone excess/deficiency. Anyone interested in seeing something like

this?

Any comments on the results? Thanks bunches!

Janet

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for responding! Just to note...... I haven't been working for about 4

months

now. (So the 4am tube was collected at home and not at work and just before my

body was telling me to go to bed, i.e. I was tired. And the " noon " one, which

was

higher, was actually taken at 4:30pm -- just when I'd be getting up to get ready

for

work at 7pm. (Did 12 hour night shifts!) My body is still in the " night mode. "

And

trying to go to more of a day routine was fruitless despite having the

opportunity to

do so by not working. I've always been more of a night owl. Am worthless in

the AM!

These tests just gave me a lot of answers to what's going on with me. From my

research on various things (estrogen dominance, insulin resistance, etc.), I

" knew "

about all the things going on here based on these results. The only thing I was

off on

was my cortisol levels causing the heart pounding, which it probably isn't. But

my

adrenal issues were ALWAYS confusing to me. I knew I had some but I didn't know

how to handle it. Just another example of if we're willing to listen to our

bodies, keep

notes re: symptoms, and learn as much as possible, we usually " know " what's

wrong.

The tests were worth every penny I had to put on my credit card -- and I HATE

using

that thing! Debt=Stress to me!

And yes, I do create that " falso night " for myself. Only now, I make sure I

have

protein, fat and some carbs before I go to sleep. Room is dark and cool, noise

is

blotted out with white noise, phone off. Always.

Janet

> Yes, I would be interested in seeing that, Janet. And, before I got on down

further

reading your letter, I was going to comment about you being a night worker. I

don't

think it's normal for us to do night work (I've been on graveyards forever,

also), but I

do think that, if we work at it, our bodies will compensate, as long as we are

creating

a " falso night " when we sleep, getting plenty of sleep, eating right, and trying

to treat

our conditions. It would be fitting for your cortisol to be going down in the

mornings, before you lie down to sleep. If you took the one before that (at 4

am, I

think you said?) at work, it would be no small wonder that you would be having

heart

pounding, due to the nature of the work (that stress thing). Thank goodness the

cortisol isn't coming up at 8 am, considering you would be trying to sleep about

that

time. It looks also like you are in " estrogen overdrive " , meaning not enough

progesterone to balance a normal amt of estrogen. I think that www.antiaging-

systems.com has the progesterone, not sure about other places, unless you can

find

a doctor who treats with bioidentical hormones.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Know whatcha mean about the night owl syndrome. Been like that for about 20

yrs. Wonder what MY adrenals look like about now. They're both probably the

size of basketballs! No matter if I get 8 to 9 hrs sleep, I will guarantee you

that all my senses are alive at night, but if I am sleeping and try to rise at 4

in the morning, I'm brain fogged for 4 hrs. Only now, it's starting to show up

even after getting up in the evening to get ready for work, no matter how much

sleep I get. I'm thinking that my body is now trying to adjust to the day, but

I'm not co-operating. My mother used to be the same way, and still is for the

most part, at age 79!

Re: Saliva Test Results

Hi ,

Thanks for responding! Just to note...... I haven't been working for about 4

months

now. (So the 4am tube was collected at home and not at work and just before

my

body was telling me to go to bed, i.e. I was tired. And the " noon " one, which

was

higher, was actually taken at 4:30pm -- just when I'd be getting up to get

ready for

work at 7pm. (Did 12 hour night shifts!) My body is still in the " night

mode. " And

trying to go to more of a day routine was fruitless despite having the

opportunity to

do so by not working. I've always been more of a night owl. Am worthless in

the AM!

These tests just gave me a lot of answers to what's going on with me. From my

research on various things (estrogen dominance, insulin resistance, etc.), I

" knew "

about all the things going on here based on these results. The only thing I

was off on

was my cortisol levels causing the heart pounding, which it probably isn't.

But my

adrenal issues were ALWAYS confusing to me. I knew I had some but I didn't

know

how to handle it. Just another example of if we're willing to listen to our

bodies, keep

notes re: symptoms, and learn as much as possible, we usually " know " what's

wrong.

The tests were worth every penny I had to put on my credit card -- and I HATE

using

that thing! Debt=Stress to me!

And yes, I do create that " falso night " for myself. Only now, I make sure I

have

protein, fat and some carbs before I go to sleep. Room is dark and cool,

noise is

blotted out with white noise, phone off. Always.

Janet

[Guest guest]

>>7:00 - 8:00 AM 10 Depressed (13-24 nM)

11:00 - Noon 3 Depressed (5-10 nM)

04:00 - 05:00 PM 3 Normal (3-8 nM)

11:00 - Midnight 1 Normal (1-4 nM)

Cortisol Burden: 17 (23 - 42)<<

With these labs I would get my own HC if my doctor would nto prescribe it for

me. You seriously ned it and will not be able t optimize thyrid wihtotu it.

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Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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