RE: Licensed Paramedics

[Guest guest]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Boy, was THAT well said.

Neil, can you give me a call, please?

Jane

Re: Licensed Paramedics

> You just can't fix stupid.

>

>

> It seems the only ones complaining are the LIC PARAMEDICS....WELL I, AM,

NEW

> PARAMEDICS COMING OUT OF THE SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO BE LIC-P.....THAT IS

WHAT I

> HAVE A PROBLEM WITH....A NEW PARAMEDIC THAT STARTS AT SOME SERVICES

STRAIT

> OUT OF SCHOOL WILL MAKE MORE PER YEAR BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LIC...THAN

THAT OF

> A CERT PARAMEDIC....OF 12 YEARS...THAT IS JUST NOT RIGHT....PAY SHOULD

BE

> BASED ON EXPERIENCE NOT IF YOU HAVE A DEGREE......THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE

FOR

> EXPERIENCE........

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I will attest for Junior, he definitely can gain control of a group and

convey his ideas.

The problem with EMTI911's posts for me is not his grammar or his format, it

is his overgeneralizations. It appears to me his posts are meant to inflame

rather than resolve and to drive the wedge further between all of us in EMS.

Dralle, EMT-P EMSC

CES Specialist

American Medical Response- San

Re: Licensed Paramedics

Com'on, this is the internet... just from the history of internet etiquette,

the way the post was written is acceptable.

I don't have a degree, but I do have long history of business and management

classes [from previous career]. Trust me, anyone from the server that knows

me will tell you that I am a POWERFUL speaker... and from time to time you

will see, I will not have a perfect post. It is just my nature!

[Guest guest]

There are several problems with what you have been saying for the last

couple of days.

First, I have more LPs working for me than certified Paramedics. All of

them were first certified and then either gained licensure due to prior

education once the rule was put in effect or they went back and

completed college hours to get to that point. I do not pay any

different for a LP than a certified Paramedic but I will not bash anyone

that does. Any profession that I can think of will pay more for a

person with a degree than one without a degree. An entry level

Paramedic is just that whether they are licensed or certified. But

having said that a LP has gained more education than a certified

Paramedic and I don't care if the degree is in EMS, Horticulture or

basket weaving, they still had to take many basic courses and others

that improved the mind of the person and gave them many skills that they

may not have had without the extra education obtained. From what I have

read from you maybe a few English courses might be beneficial.

Second, with an email address of emti911, I think it is safe to say that

you are not a Paramedic and therefore are not qualified to determine how

much these LPs know or don't know. A BSN may not be any more qualified

than an RN to perform their patient care role but you find me a hospital

that is not going to pay more for a BSN than a RN.

The point of paying more for a LP is mute in the cases of most services

due to the financial state of most services but attitudes like yours is

not helping the case of trying to improve the pay and professional

status of Paramedics. Our service does not turn a new Paramedic

(licensed or certified) loose without gaining the necessary experience.

The new Paramedic that went through a degree program has probably gained

more experience through clinical hours and possibly working as an EMT or

Intermediate finishing their education than one who rushed through a

quick certification program. In this case the Paramedic may not need as

much training and probation time as the one I just mentioned prior.

I have said enough because there is no end to what I could say but let

me leave you with one other suggestion. SIGN YOUR EMAILS SO THAT PEOPLE

KNOW WHO THEY ARE TALKING TO!!!!!!!!!

Re: Licensed Paramedics

It seems the only ones complaining are the LIC PARAMEDICS....WELL I, AM,

NEW

PARAMEDICS COMING OUT OF THE SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO BE LIC-P.....THAT IS

WHAT I

HAVE A PROBLEM WITH....A NEW PARAMEDIC THAT STARTS AT SOME SERVICES

STRAIT

OUT OF SCHOOL WILL MAKE MORE PER YEAR BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LIC...THAN

THAT OF

A CERT PARAMEDIC....OF 12 YEARS...THAT IS JUST NOT RIGHT....PAY SHOULD

BE

BASED ON EXPERIENCE NOT IF YOU HAVE A DEGREE......THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE

FOR

EXPERIENCE........

[Guest guest]

I do not usually get involved in these conversations, but I agree with you

Mike. I would rather have someone who has had formal education than one who

has not. Report writing takes a knowledge that only a good English course

could give. So to keep this short as I am very busy on budget preparation,

way to go Mike.

Young

EMS Coordinator

Kerrville Fire / EMS

Re: Licensed Paramedics

It seems the only ones complaining are the LIC PARAMEDICS....WELL I, AM,

NEW

PARAMEDICS COMING OUT OF THE SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO BE LIC-P.....THAT IS

WHAT I

HAVE A PROBLEM WITH....A NEW PARAMEDIC THAT STARTS AT SOME SERVICES

STRAIT

OUT OF SCHOOL WILL MAKE MORE PER YEAR BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LIC...THAN

THAT OF

A CERT PARAMEDIC....OF 12 YEARS...THAT IS JUST NOT RIGHT....PAY SHOULD

BE

BASED ON EXPERIENCE NOT IF YOU HAVE A DEGREE......THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE

FOR

EXPERIENCE........

[Guest guest]

ex scusssss eeee me. I know some paramedics that have the same problem

so whats your point?

Henry

Christy Petty wrote:

> Forgive me for being blunt, but I know LP who have trouble fitting a

> c-collar. And for this they should be paid more

> Christy

> RE: Licensed Paramedics

>

>

> > I believe that licensure is an effort to make better medics through

> more

> > formal education. Not to stir up the RN / Paramedic debate, but to

> become

> > an RN requires a larger amount of investment in time to education,

> yet we

> > can " churn-out " a Paramedic in less than a year in some programs.

> EMS and

> > protocols have progressed statewide to the point that, I believe, we

> need

> > more formal education, which will in turn lead to the respect we

> deserve

> as

> > medical professionals.

> >

> > Also, some services are paying more for LP's. Montgomery County

> Hospital

> > District is one I think.

> >

> > Dan Rathe, BS, LP

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

QUESTION -

Could a scientist with Masters Business Degree and Bachelor Degree {in

associated science] manage a program with PhD scientists?

In business/science etiqutte, is this possible... trust me, those who have

been educators SHOULD know the answer to the above.

Junior , EMT-Paramedic

on County EMS Medic 33-Blue

[Guest guest]

Lets make it simple... come to WilCo with your Degree... and lets see where

you stand with this very SIMPLE CEMTP... please be aware that, we will run

85% ALS calls... call volume will only be about 40 calls per month... you

will be challenged by lack of CLOSE medical facilities... helicopters will be

your option... but when will you call them... can you perform the needed

skills to for HOT load... not to mention the occasional MAJOR HEAVY RESCUE

MVC... did your degree prepare you for that?

I can tell you now... my 5+ years in Fire Service has me skill in the ICS...

my time in the Los Angeles Metro area as a BASIC EMT - experience that NO

CLASSROOM could EVER equal... simply because I have taken time to learn where

MUTUAL AID resourses are, and I USE them.

By the way... thinking about that... if you have a new LP, do you think your

CEMTP could teach them a thing or two? WAIT... if I am paid less than the LP,

why would you expect me to teach them? I would hope that your FTOs are LPs

and that they are your strongest medics. *wink*

Junior , EMT-Paramedic

on County EMS Medic 33-Blue

[Guest guest]

I just disagree with a (blanket) statement that LP should be paid more than

cert-P just because of a degree. I understand the concept behind gaining

more education, in what ever field a person chooses.

But if I may give an example, and get your opinion on this hypothetical

situation:

Applicant " A "

For the last 3-4 years has been working in a busy ER as, say, a tech. This

person has been trained and cleared by the Medical Director of the ER to

perform tasks from triaging, to blood draws, IV's, obtaining EKG's. ...(The

point I'm trying to make is interacting with pt.s in an acute situations)

Sees EMS everyday and decides maybe being a Paramedic is a field they want

to enter.

Applicant " B "

Maybe has gone straight from High school to college, for whatever field they

choose to enter. Obtains a degree, but decides to enter into the Paramedic

program as well.

Both " A " and " B " will be finishing at the same time. Both have only the

needed hours of clinical time, ambulance time,classroom time and just for GP

we'll say both finished at the top of their class.

As both venture out into the (EMS) work place, are they both equally

educated? Both have applied for the same position. One is LP, one is EMT-P.

Which would you hire and why?

Christy EMT-P

RE: Licensed Paramedics

> >

> >

> > > I believe that licensure is an effort to make better medics through

> > more

> > > formal education. Not to stir up the RN / Paramedic debate, but to

> > become

> > > an RN requires a larger amount of investment in time to education,

> > yet we

> > > can " churn-out " a Paramedic in less than a year in some programs.

> > EMS and

> > > protocols have progressed statewide to the point that, I believe, we

> > need

> > > more formal education, which will in turn lead to the respect we

> > deserve

> > as

> > > medical professionals.

> > >

> > > Also, some services are paying more for LP's. Montgomery County

> > Hospital

> > > District is one I think.

> > >

> > > Dan Rathe, BS, LP

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Another hypothetical:

If you had 2 position available and hired both, would you pay 1 more than

the other?

Gotta go to work now

Christy

RE: Licensed Paramedics

> > >

> > >

> > > > I believe that licensure is an effort to make better medics through

> > > more

> > > > formal education. Not to stir up the RN / Paramedic debate, but to

> > > become

> > > > an RN requires a larger amount of investment in time to education,

> > > yet we

> > > > can " churn-out " a Paramedic in less than a year in some programs.

> > > EMS and

> > > > protocols have progressed statewide to the point that, I believe, we

> > > need

> > > > more formal education, which will in turn lead to the respect we

> > > deserve

> > > as

> > > > medical professionals.

> > > >

> > > > Also, some services are paying more for LP's. Montgomery County

> > > Hospital

> > > > District is one I think.

> > > >

> > > > Dan Rathe, BS, LP

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Good question. I suppose with the information given, I'd be looking at 1/8 of

who the entire person is as a paramedic. Interviews, cognitive testing, skills

testing, scenario testing, background checks, work ethic assessment, and

personality assessment could would lead me to pick the best candidate. Even

after that I might know 1/3 of who this person really is. However, if things

worked out completely even in the selection process, I'd choose the licensed

person. If we keep on denying that we need higher education in EMS, we will

continue to be paid less than RNs, RTs, ect. who require degrees.

-mikey

Christy Petty wrote:

> I just disagree with a (blanket) statement that LP should be paid more than

> cert-P just because of a degree. I understand the concept behind gaining

> more education, in what ever field a person chooses.

> But if I may give an example, and get your opinion on this hypothetical

> situation:

> Applicant " A "

> For the last 3-4 years has been working in a busy ER as, say, a tech. This

> person has been trained and cleared by the Medical Director of the ER to

> perform tasks from triaging, to blood draws, IV's, obtaining EKG's. ...(The

> point I'm trying to make is interacting with pt.s in an acute situations)

> Sees EMS everyday and decides maybe being a Paramedic is a field they want

> to enter.

> Applicant " B "

> Maybe has gone straight from High school to college, for whatever field they

> choose to enter. Obtains a degree, but decides to enter into the Paramedic

> program as well.

> Both " A " and " B " will be finishing at the same time. Both have only the

> needed hours of clinical time, ambulance time,classroom time and just for GP

> we'll say both finished at the top of their class.

> As both venture out into the (EMS) work place, are they both equally

> educated? Both have applied for the same position. One is LP, one is EMT-P.

> Which would you hire and why?

> Christy EMT-P

>

> RE: Licensed Paramedics

> > >

> > >

> > > > I believe that licensure is an effort to make better medics through

> > > more

> > > > formal education. Not to stir up the RN / Paramedic debate, but to

> > > become

> > > > an RN requires a larger amount of investment in time to education,

> > > yet we

> > > > can " churn-out " a Paramedic in less than a year in some programs.

> > > EMS and

> > > > protocols have progressed statewide to the point that, I believe, we

> > > need

> > > > more formal education, which will in turn lead to the respect we

> > > deserve

> > > as

> > > > medical professionals.

> > > >

> > > > Also, some services are paying more for LP's. Montgomery County

> > > Hospital

> > > > District is one I think.

> > > >

> > > > Dan Rathe, BS, LP

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I'd try to hire them both, then try to get the CEMT-P to get a degree and

become licensed. Good for her, good for me, but she would probably be a

valuable employee regardless. Once the LP gained some street experience, so

would she.

Regards,

Donn

RE: Licensed Paramedics

> > >

> > >

> > > > I believe that licensure is an effort to make better medics through

> > > more

> > > > formal education. Not to stir up the RN / Paramedic debate, but to

> > > become

> > > > an RN requires a larger amount of investment in time to education,

> > > yet we

> > > > can " churn-out " a Paramedic in less than a year in some programs.

> > > EMS and

> > > > protocols have progressed statewide to the point that, I believe, we

> > > need

> > > > more formal education, which will in turn lead to the respect we

> > > deserve

> > > as

> > > > medical professionals.

> > > >

> > > > Also, some services are paying more for LP's. Montgomery County

> > > Hospital

> > > > District is one I think.

> > > >

> > > > Dan Rathe, BS, LP

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hello Britton, Good to see that you are alive and well (I hope). And yes I

still believe that do to the fact that EMS will always get a bad rap because

we are associated with the fly by night transfer services that are in it for

a profit and not for the patients and that was the whole point of the

postings anyway is that as long as we allow anyone and everyone who can

afford a to buy an ambulance and call there self's EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES

just so they can make a buck then we will always be in the last spot on the

food chain of the public service industry.

[Guest guest]

Hey Britton, you are correct you will not find me at Cypress Creek I worked

there prior to Working at ESD #1 and MCHD.

By the way where are you employed now days?

[Guest guest]

Mike and the rest following this thread.

Curtis Burnett is the EMT-P submitting the posts

from " emti911@... "

He is not a bad guy, just opinionated. I am sure

you will not find him at Cypress Creek EMS.

Curtis, glad to know you are still alive and well.

Clean up the grammar, make your point and be ready

for this group to pick your opinion apart. You

and I both know that every service and medic has

had incidents that they are not proud of and do

not want to be reminded of past transgressions.

Should it be a City Service, County EMS agency,

large corporate service or a local EMS transfer

shop, Certified or Licensed Paramedic, they all

have a place and fill a niche in the EMS world.

Granted, some agencies are funded better than

others which usually provides for better training,

better equipment and improved response times. We

should not try to get to the top by stepping on

the heads of others but realize that if we see

further it is because we have stood on the

shoulders of giants (paraphrased from one of the

great thinkers of all times)(used without

permission).

Curtis and I have had opportunities to agree and

disagree. He has broad shoulders and can take a

pretty good hit so for any of you that wish to

take a shot, go ahead, he is good for it!

Britton Waldron, EMT LP

Re: Licensed Paramedics

>

>

>

>

> > AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING

TURNED OUT

> ....DON'T KNOW

> > NOTHING MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO

STREET

> EXPERIENCE AND FOR

> > THAT THEY WANT TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY

HAVE A DEGREE

> IN BIOLOGY

> > OR MANAGMENT....DON'T

> > MAKE ANY SENSE

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> Blanket statements like you made above are not

acceptable or

> truthful. You lump all licensed paramedics into

one group.

>

> Your statement that licensed paramedics have a

degree in

> biology or managment is short sighted. What

about those

> licensed paramedics with degrees in Emergency

Medical

> Service, Law, Medicine, and other fields which

require much

> education. By the way, Biology 2401 and 2402

are Anatomy and

> Physiology, both related very strongly to EMS.

>

> This is exactly what people have been talking

about on the

> list server the past couple of weeks. EMS

people are unable

> to get along, in many cases. EMS people cannot

agree on

> things, in many cases. EMS people are their own

worst enemy.

> How can we expect EMS to be recognized as a

profession if we

> act like this?

>

> Oh, by the way, do you have a name to go with

your post on

> the list server?

>

> , Licensed Paramedic

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jeanne,

Don't tell me is a beer and chili guy..I never would have

guessed

Raina

> To all,

> Just a thought in the middle of this discussion. I agree that

Licensure

> should be about education in the field in which you are licensed.

But along

> with the license comes responsibility to one's profession and the

> individuals we serve. That is what nursing embraced at an early

stage. We

> need to recognize that we have a responsibility to improve our

profession.

> That covers a lot of territory from the political to the prosaic.

We have

> made a start with this discussion. Where do we go from here?

> By the way, my husband thinks the chili cookoff and beer bust is

a good

> idea to break down the barriers we have established around our

personal

> turfs. When and where guys?

> Jeanne E. Amis, RN, LP

> Education Director

> Marfa City/County EMS

> Re: Licensed Paramedics

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T

KNOW

> > NOTHING

> > > MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR

THAT THEY

> > > WANT

> > > TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR

> > > MANAGMENT....DON'T

> > > MAKE ANY SENSE

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > Blanket statements like you made above are not acceptable or

truthful.

> You

> > lump all licensed paramedics into one group.

> >

> > Your statement that licensed paramedics have a degree in biology

or

> > managment

> > is short sighted. What about those licensed paramedics with

degrees in

> > Emergency Medical Service, Law, Medicine, and other fields which

require

> > much

> > education. By the way, Biology 2401 and 2402 are Anatomy and

Physiology,

> > both related very strongly to EMS.

> >

> > This is exactly what people have been talking about on the list

server the

> > past couple of weeks. EMS people are unable to get along, in many

cases.

> > EMS people cannot agree on things, in many cases. EMS people are

their

> own

> > worst enemy. How can we expect EMS to be recognized as a

profession if we

> > act like this?

> >

> > Oh, by the way, do you have a name to go with your post on the

list

> server?

> >

> > , Licensed Paramedic

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Lets keep in mind... school and degree DO NOT always = intelligence... look

at all the morons floating around with Bachelors.

[Guest guest]

Neil,

What is the standard? Should the standard be determined by skill level? or by

education?

I would put my investment in SWEAT & EXPERIENCE over education ANY DAY.

Junior , EMT-Paramedic

on County EMS Medic 33-Blue

[Guest guest]

Yup. The one that could, read, write, spell, punctuate and articulate the

English language.

Jay Garner

RE: Licensed Paramedics

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I believe that licensure is an effort to make better medics

through

> > > > more

> > > > > formal education. Not to stir up the RN / Paramedic debate, but

to

> > > > become

> > > > > an RN requires a larger amount of investment in time to education,

> > > > yet we

> > > > > can " churn-out " a Paramedic in less than a year in some programs.

> > > > EMS and

> > > > > protocols have progressed statewide to the point that, I believe,

we

> > > > need

> > > > > more formal education, which will in turn lead to the respect we

> > > > deserve

> > > > as

> > > > > medical professionals.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, some services are paying more for LP's. Montgomery County

> > > > Hospital

> > > > > District is one I think.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dan Rathe, BS, LP

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes, the person with the degree has invested time and effort into education,

and therefore deserves some return on investment.

Dan Rathe, BS, LP

Re: Licensed Paramedics

Yup. The one that could, read, write, spell, punctuate and articulate the

English language.

Jay Garner

RE: Licensed Paramedics

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I believe that licensure is an effort to make better medics

through

> > > > more

> > > > > formal education. Not to stir up the RN / Paramedic debate, but

to

> > > > become

> > > > > an RN requires a larger amount of investment in time to education,

> > > > yet we

> > > > > can " churn-out " a Paramedic in less than a year in some programs.

> > > > EMS and

> > > > > protocols have progressed statewide to the point that, I believe,

we

> > > > need

> > > > > more formal education, which will in turn lead to the respect we

> > > > deserve

> > > > as

> > > > > medical professionals.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, some services are paying more for LP's. Montgomery County

> > > > Hospital

> > > > > District is one I think.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dan Rathe, BS, LP

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

This horse is soooooo dead that even the fire ants do not have anything to

eat !!!! You know it is getting bad when I am deleting automatically the

Texas EMS server posts and reading all the Texas EMSFACTOR Posts from Ron.

Appreciate the info, Ron, that's not old and dead, !!!!!!

Ron A. Derrick, LP NREMT-P

Director of Emergency Services

City of Fredericksburg

Re: Licensed Paramedics

Yup. The one that could, read, write, spell, punctuate and articulate the

English language.

Jay Garner

RE: Licensed Paramedics

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I believe that licensure is an effort to make better medics

through

> > > > more

> > > > > formal education. Not to stir up the RN / Paramedic debate, but

to

> > > > become

> > > > > an RN requires a larger amount of investment in time to education,

> > > > yet we

> > > > > can " churn-out " a Paramedic in less than a year in some programs.

> > > > EMS and

> > > > > protocols have progressed statewide to the point that, I believe,

we

> > > > need

> > > > > more formal education, which will in turn lead to the respect we

> > > > deserve

> > > > as

> > > > > medical professionals.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, some services are paying more for LP's. Montgomery County

> > > > Hospital

> > > > > District is one I think.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dan Rathe, BS, LP

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Well put Mike. It is time to raise the standard. It doesn't mean doing away with

the currently certified Paramedics. It is the only way to gain the pay and the

respect we deserve.

Neil White, LP

[Guest guest]

Raina,

He likes my chili and he likes a beer when he mows the lawn.

Jeanne

Re: Licensed Paramedics

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T

> KNOW

> > > NOTHING

> > > > MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR

> THAT THEY

> > > > WANT

> > > > TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR

> > > > MANAGMENT....DON'T

> > > > MAKE ANY SENSE

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Blanket statements like you made above are not acceptable or

> truthful.

> > You

> > > lump all licensed paramedics into one group.

> > >

> > > Your statement that licensed paramedics have a degree in biology

> or

> > > managment

> > > is short sighted. What about those licensed paramedics with

> degrees in

> > > Emergency Medical Service, Law, Medicine, and other fields which

> require

> > > much

> > > education. By the way, Biology 2401 and 2402 are Anatomy and

> Physiology,

> > > both related very strongly to EMS.

> > >

> > > This is exactly what people have been talking about on the list

> server the

> > > past couple of weeks. EMS people are unable to get along, in many

> cases.

> > > EMS people cannot agree on things, in many cases. EMS people are

> their

> > own

> > > worst enemy. How can we expect EMS to be recognized as a

> profession if we

> > > act like this?

> > >

> > > Oh, by the way, do you have a name to go with your post on the

> list

> > server?

> > >

> > > , Licensed Paramedic

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Barry,

VERY GOOD.

If you recall the delinma that engineers had in the 60s and 70s, they had

many of their TOP people in administrative position. The problem they saw -

many of their leaders made POOR business choices. Until they turned it

around... by making a DEGREE PROGRAM that was HEAVY in business theory, they

saw a progressive change in their industries leadership.

The above was explained to me... and I AGREED 100%!

That is what I put to the POWERS to be with education. Give your degree

programs some BUSINESS theory/orientation with the MEDICAL aspects, and I

would find that MANY of those folks will soon be the ones that are PROPELLING

EMS ADMINISTRATION to another level of evolution.

Junior , EMT-Paramedic

on County EMS Medic 33-Blue

[Guest guest]

Mr. Bledsoe,

*hmmm*

You know, I first have to thank you for the book! *wink* It is a great

privilegde to work for the service that is in your book. We still give Janet

a hard time! *smirk*

Trust me, I will not be left behind... my business experience is beginning to

be spread within the organization [local], and those without the education in

that area, will be playing catch-up. After the wife is done with her nursing

stuff, you will catch me working towards a NON-MEDICAL based degree. Once

that happens, it will be interesting to see what course of direction my past

EXPERIENCE will take me. *chuckle*

EXPERIENCE & EDUCATION are the tools, the key is acting in RESPOSIBLE manner

and teaching/educating those who lack in one of the two. My suggestion is

bring the 2 together and REWARDING on merit, but then, that is common-sense

and there is not a sure-fire easy road to teaching common-sense.

Junior , EMT-Paramedic

on County EMS Medic 33-Blue

[Guest guest]

Mr. Bledsoe,

*hmmm*

You know, I first have to thank you for the book! *wink* It is a great

privilegde to work for the service that is in your book. We still give Janet

a hard time! *smirk*

Trust me, I will not be left behind... my business experience is beginning to

be spread within the organization [local], and those without the education in

that area, will be playing catch-up. After the wife is done with her nursing

stuff, you will catch me working towards a NON-MEDICAL based degree. Once

that happens, it will be interesting to see what course of direction my past

EXPERIENCE will take me. *chuckle*

EXPERIENCE & EDUCATION are the tools, the key is acting in RESPOSIBLE manner

and teaching/educating those who lack in one of the two. My suggestion is

bring the 2 together and REWARDING on merit, but then, that is common-sense

and there is not a sure-fire easy road to teaching common-sense.

Junior , EMT-Paramedic

on County EMS Medic 33-Blue