RE: Licensed Paramedics

[Guest guest]

So what exactly was the purpose for getting licensure ? When I called the

TDH to check on my status change I was informed I was not licensed, but

certified to be licensed, was the way I believe she phrased it. Seems like a

real waste of time and $100 to me. I have been a medic for over 12 years

now, can anyone tell me of any " real " benefit to being licensed?

Randy

[Guest guest]

AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T KNOW NOTHING

MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR THAT THEY WANT

TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR MANAGMENT....DON'T

MAKE ANY SENSE

[Guest guest]

AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T KNOW NOTHING

MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR THAT THEY WANT

TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR MANAGMENT....DON'T

MAKE ANY SENSE

[Guest guest]

> AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T KNOW NOTHING

> MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR THAT THEY

> WANT

> TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR

> MANAGMENT....DON'T

> MAKE ANY SENSE

>

>

>

Blanket statements like you made above are not acceptable or truthful. You

lump all licensed paramedics into one group.

Your statement that licensed paramedics have a degree in biology or managment

is short sighted. What about those licensed paramedics with degrees in

Emergency Medical Service, Law, Medicine, and other fields which require much

education. By the way, Biology 2401 and 2402 are Anatomy and Physiology,

both related very strongly to EMS.

This is exactly what people have been talking about on the list server the

past couple of weeks. EMS people are unable to get along, in many cases.

EMS people cannot agree on things, in many cases. EMS people are their own

worst enemy. How can we expect EMS to be recognized as a profession if we

act like this?

Oh, by the way, do you have a name to go with your post on the list server?

, Licensed Paramedic

[Guest guest]

> AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T KNOW NOTHING

> MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR THAT THEY

> WANT

> TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR

> MANAGMENT....DON'T

> MAKE ANY SENSE

>

>

>

Blanket statements like you made above are not acceptable or truthful. You

lump all licensed paramedics into one group.

Your statement that licensed paramedics have a degree in biology or managment

is short sighted. What about those licensed paramedics with degrees in

Emergency Medical Service, Law, Medicine, and other fields which require much

education. By the way, Biology 2401 and 2402 are Anatomy and Physiology,

both related very strongly to EMS.

This is exactly what people have been talking about on the list server the

past couple of weeks. EMS people are unable to get along, in many cases.

EMS people cannot agree on things, in many cases. EMS people are their own

worst enemy. How can we expect EMS to be recognized as a profession if we

act like this?

Oh, by the way, do you have a name to go with your post on the list server?

, Licensed Paramedic

[Guest guest]

I believe that licensure is an effort to make better medics through more

formal education. Not to stir up the RN / Paramedic debate, but to become

an RN requires a larger amount of investment in time to education, yet we

can " churn-out " a Paramedic in less than a year in some programs. EMS and

protocols have progressed statewide to the point that, I believe, we need

more formal education, which will in turn lead to the respect we deserve as

medical professionals.

Also, some services are paying more for LP's. Montgomery County Hospital

District is one I think.

Dan Rathe, BS, LP

[Guest guest]

Forgive me for being blunt, but I know LP who have trouble fitting a

c-collar. And for this they should be paid more

Christy

RE: Licensed Paramedics

> I believe that licensure is an effort to make better medics through more

> formal education. Not to stir up the RN / Paramedic debate, but to become

> an RN requires a larger amount of investment in time to education, yet we

> can " churn-out " a Paramedic in less than a year in some programs. EMS and

> protocols have progressed statewide to the point that, I believe, we need

> more formal education, which will in turn lead to the respect we deserve

as

> medical professionals.

>

> Also, some services are paying more for LP's. Montgomery County Hospital

> District is one I think.

>

> Dan Rathe, BS, LP

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Every service has them...

Re: Licensed Paramedics

Forgive me for being blunt, but I know LP who have trouble fitting a

c-collar. And for this they should be paid more

Christy

RE: Licensed Paramedics

> I believe that licensure is an effort to make better medics through more

> formal education. Not to stir up the RN / Paramedic debate, but to become

> an RN requires a larger amount of investment in time to education, yet we

> can " churn-out " a Paramedic in less than a year in some programs. EMS and

> protocols have progressed statewide to the point that, I believe, we need

> more formal education, which will in turn lead to the respect we deserve

as

> medical professionals.

>

> Also, some services are paying more for LP's. Montgomery County Hospital

> District is one I think.

>

> Dan Rathe, BS, LP

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know. And I don't mean to be grumpy about it. It's just that it is the 1

thing that irks me to no end.

Christy

RE: Licensed Paramedics

>

>

> > I believe that licensure is an effort to make better medics through more

> > formal education. Not to stir up the RN / Paramedic debate, but to

become

> > an RN requires a larger amount of investment in time to education, yet

we

> > can " churn-out " a Paramedic in less than a year in some programs. EMS

and

> > protocols have progressed statewide to the point that, I believe, we

need

> > more formal education, which will in turn lead to the respect we deserve

> as

> > medical professionals.

> >

> > Also, some services are paying more for LP's. Montgomery County

Hospital

> > District is one I think.

> >

> > Dan Rathe, BS, LP

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I know. And I don't mean to be grumpy about it. It's just that it is the 1

thing that irks me to no end.

Christy

RE: Licensed Paramedics

>

>

> > I believe that licensure is an effort to make better medics through more

> > formal education. Not to stir up the RN / Paramedic debate, but to

become

> > an RN requires a larger amount of investment in time to education, yet

we

> > can " churn-out " a Paramedic in less than a year in some programs. EMS

and

> > protocols have progressed statewide to the point that, I believe, we

need

> > more formal education, which will in turn lead to the respect we deserve

> as

> > medical professionals.

> >

> > Also, some services are paying more for LP's. Montgomery County

Hospital

> > District is one I think.

> >

> > Dan Rathe, BS, LP

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

The point wasn't about " Licensed vs. Certified " - it was about the

vailidity of a paramedic's license vs. that of any other healthc

care license, from nurses to other allied health folks.

Licensure would seem to indicate a place or position in the medical

community, and a set of responsibilities/practices to go along with

that. For now, that's not the case. While " licensure " was enacted

by rule, it now needs to be codified into the same code (Occupations

Code) that every other health professional is in, so that

paramedicine can grow the same way nursing did in it's start. And

look at them now - nurse practitioners, CRNA's, etc. Much, much

more advanced practice than ever thought possible before. And much,

much more education. And much, much more respect. And much, much

more pay. Of course there is still a place for EMT-Basics and EMT-

Intermediates - the backbone of EMS in Texas if you're not near a

major metropolitan area. I'm not suggesting we leave them behind,

and I'm not degrading them in any way. Paramedics, however, have

had licensure placed before us like a carrot, taken a bite and

said " now what? " I believe the " now what " is before us...

Mike

> Forgive me for being blunt, but I know LP who have trouble fitting

a

> c-collar. And for this they should be paid more

> Christy

> RE: Licensed Paramedics

>

>

> > I believe that licensure is an effort to make better medics

through more

> > formal education. Not to stir up the RN / Paramedic debate, but

to become

> > an RN requires a larger amount of investment in time to

education, yet we

> > can " churn-out " a Paramedic in less than a year in some

programs. EMS and

> > protocols have progressed statewide to the point that, I

believe, we need

> > more formal education, which will in turn lead to the respect we

deserve

> as

> > medical professionals.

> >

> > Also, some services are paying more for LP's. Montgomery County

Hospital

> > District is one I think.

> >

> > Dan Rathe, BS, LP

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

So, I wonder how we could go about getting this to where licensed paramedics

fall into the " recognized " category?

The S.O.S Office told me last year, that as long as the license was issued

by a Texas Reglatory agency that it should be recognized by ALL other state

regulatory agencies as " licensed personnel " .

The way things stand right now, that license is not worth the paper that it

is printed on, basically.

Wayne

>

>Reply-To:

>To: < >

>Subject: RE: Licensed Paramedics

>Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 07:58:47 -0500

>

>Right, but this is set forth by rules adopted by TDH/BEM (and make no

>mistake, I think it was a good attempt at a step forward but was foiled

>by some rather selfish folks in the EMS community). And there is no

>definition for licensure in the Occupations Code. Since the BNE had

>decided that Licensed Paramedics were not Licensed medical personnel

>(that's how the discussion went before), this may be why. Right now,

>only folks operating under the Health and Safety Code " recognize "

>paramedic licensure. Nurses " license " from the TOC and the BNE/BVNE are

>authorized from there, so their rules go straight to the same spot in

>the law that their license requirements and authority come from, along

>with every other health profession except paramedicine.

>

>In fact, I'd wonder if the AG's office will suspend a Paramedic License

>for failure to pay child support, or if they don't recognize it as a

>license, either.

>

>Mike

>

> > Re: Licensed Paramedics

> >

> >

> >

> > The followind is taken directly from the Health and Safety

> > Code CHAPTER 773.

> > EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES. In texas EMS falls primarily

> > under this code or

> > statutes. The following defines a licensed paramedic so it

> > looks like a

> > Licensed Paramedic is defined in a statute.

> >

> > § 773.0495. Licensed Paramedic Qualifications

> >

> > An individual qualifies as a licensed paramedic if the

> > department

> > determines that the individual is minimally proficient to

> > provide advanced

> > life support that includes initiation under medical

> > supervision of certain

> > procedures, including intravenous therapy, endotracheal or esophageal

> > intubation, electrical cardiac defibrillation or

> > cardioversion, and drug

> > therapy. In addition, a licensed paramedic must complete a

> > curriculum that

> > includes college-level course work in accordance with rules

> > adopted by the

> > board.

> >

> >

> > Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 435, § 2, eff. Sept. 1, 1997.

> >

> >

> >

> > Mike Shown, EMT-P

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

So, I wonder how we could go about getting this to where licensed paramedics

fall into the " recognized " category?

The S.O.S Office told me last year, that as long as the license was issued

by a Texas Reglatory agency that it should be recognized by ALL other state

regulatory agencies as " licensed personnel " .

The way things stand right now, that license is not worth the paper that it

is printed on, basically.

Wayne

>

>Reply-To:

>To: < >

>Subject: RE: Licensed Paramedics

>Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 07:58:47 -0500

>

>Right, but this is set forth by rules adopted by TDH/BEM (and make no

>mistake, I think it was a good attempt at a step forward but was foiled

>by some rather selfish folks in the EMS community). And there is no

>definition for licensure in the Occupations Code. Since the BNE had

>decided that Licensed Paramedics were not Licensed medical personnel

>(that's how the discussion went before), this may be why. Right now,

>only folks operating under the Health and Safety Code " recognize "

>paramedic licensure. Nurses " license " from the TOC and the BNE/BVNE are

>authorized from there, so their rules go straight to the same spot in

>the law that their license requirements and authority come from, along

>with every other health profession except paramedicine.

>

>In fact, I'd wonder if the AG's office will suspend a Paramedic License

>for failure to pay child support, or if they don't recognize it as a

>license, either.

>

>Mike

>

> > Re: Licensed Paramedics

> >

> >

> >

> > The followind is taken directly from the Health and Safety

> > Code CHAPTER 773.

> > EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES. In texas EMS falls primarily

> > under this code or

> > statutes. The following defines a licensed paramedic so it

> > looks like a

> > Licensed Paramedic is defined in a statute.

> >

> > § 773.0495. Licensed Paramedic Qualifications

> >

> > An individual qualifies as a licensed paramedic if the

> > department

> > determines that the individual is minimally proficient to

> > provide advanced

> > life support that includes initiation under medical

> > supervision of certain

> > procedures, including intravenous therapy, endotracheal or esophageal

> > intubation, electrical cardiac defibrillation or

> > cardioversion, and drug

> > therapy. In addition, a licensed paramedic must complete a

> > curriculum that

> > includes college-level course work in accordance with rules

> > adopted by the

> > board.

> >

> >

> > Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 435, § 2, eff. Sept. 1, 1997.

> >

> >

> >

> > Mike Shown, EMT-P

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Randy,

I am with you 100%. Why would our students want to go through the trouble of

extra school when they can't see a benefit. Why not go through one of the cattle

herding programs and become certified?

I hope we come together to solve this problem and this mentality. As a

profession, we have been stagnant at best. It is time to show the medical field

who we are and what we can do.

EMSAT would be a great place to start if you want to help make a change. I just

printed my application. We must come together and be heard as one voice.

With that being said, I am looking to make a major change in my community. I

will post my idea today, and I would love to get a response from as many people

as possible.

Neil White, LP

Abilene, TX

[Guest guest]

Randy,

I am with you 100%. Why would our students want to go through the trouble of

extra school when they can't see a benefit. Why not go through one of the cattle

herding programs and become certified?

I hope we come together to solve this problem and this mentality. As a

profession, we have been stagnant at best. It is time to show the medical field

who we are and what we can do.

EMSAT would be a great place to start if you want to help make a change. I just

printed my application. We must come together and be heard as one voice.

With that being said, I am looking to make a major change in my community. I

will post my idea today, and I would love to get a response from as many people

as possible.

Neil White, LP

Abilene, TX

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/22/2002 5:32:35 PM Central Standard Time,

steve_dralle@... writes:

>

> Excellent point, how many services out their turn their new paramedic loose

> with a drug box and a license to kill right after they get their patch

> (certified or licensed)?

I agree 100%. We train our new medics for 81/2 months before they are

released to the general public. This goes for new medics and old medics. We

are equal training employers.

Andy Foote

Beaumont

[Guest guest]

It seems the only ones complaining are the LIC PARAMEDICS....WELL I, AM, NEW

PARAMEDICS COMING OUT OF THE SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO BE LIC-P.....THAT IS WHAT I

HAVE A PROBLEM WITH....A NEW PARAMEDIC THAT STARTS AT SOME SERVICES STRAIT

OUT OF SCHOOL WILL MAKE MORE PER YEAR BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LIC...THAN THAT OF

A CERT PARAMEDIC....OF 12 YEARS...THAT IS JUST NOT RIGHT....PAY SHOULD BE

BASED ON EXPERIENCE NOT IF YOU HAVE A DEGREE......THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR

EXPERIENCE........

[Guest guest]

Do you have that in writing? If there's a ruling to reference, that

would be a great start.

SOS - Sec'y of State?

> Re: Licensed Paramedics

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The followind is taken directly from the Health and Safety Code

> > > CHAPTER 773. EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES. In texas EMS falls

> > > primarily under this code or

> > > statutes. The following defines a licensed paramedic so it

> > > looks like a

> > > Licensed Paramedic is defined in a statute.

> > >

> > > § 773.0495. Licensed Paramedic Qualifications

> > >

> > > An individual qualifies as a licensed paramedic if the

> > > department determines that the individual is minimally

> proficient to

> > > provide advanced

> > > life support that includes initiation under medical

> > > supervision of certain

> > > procedures, including intravenous therapy, endotracheal

> or esophageal

> > > intubation, electrical cardiac defibrillation or

> > > cardioversion, and drug

> > > therapy. In addition, a licensed paramedic must complete a

> > > curriculum that

> > > includes college-level course work in accordance with rules

> > > adopted by the

> > > board.

> > >

> > >

> > > Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 435, § 2, eff. Sept. 1, 1997.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mike Shown, EMT-P

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Do you have that in writing? If there's a ruling to reference, that

would be a great start.

SOS - Sec'y of State?

> Re: Licensed Paramedics

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The followind is taken directly from the Health and Safety Code

> > > CHAPTER 773. EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES. In texas EMS falls

> > > primarily under this code or

> > > statutes. The following defines a licensed paramedic so it

> > > looks like a

> > > Licensed Paramedic is defined in a statute.

> > >

> > > § 773.0495. Licensed Paramedic Qualifications

> > >

> > > An individual qualifies as a licensed paramedic if the

> > > department determines that the individual is minimally

> proficient to

> > > provide advanced

> > > life support that includes initiation under medical

> > > supervision of certain

> > > procedures, including intravenous therapy, endotracheal

> or esophageal

> > > intubation, electrical cardiac defibrillation or

> > > cardioversion, and drug

> > > therapy. In addition, a licensed paramedic must complete a

> > > curriculum that

> > > includes college-level course work in accordance with rules

> > > adopted by the

> > > board.

> > >

> > >

> > > Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 435, § 2, eff. Sept. 1, 1997.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mike Shown, EMT-P

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks I believe you covered nearly all the questions I had when I read

that post.

Mark NREMT-P Lic.P

Re: Licensed Paramedics

> AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T KNOW NOTHING

> MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR THAT THEY

> WANT

> TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR

> MANAGMENT....DON'T

> MAKE ANY SENSE

>

>

>

Blanket statements like you made above are not acceptable or truthful. You

lump all licensed paramedics into one group.

Your statement that licensed paramedics have a degree in biology or managment

is short sighted. What about those licensed paramedics with degrees in

Emergency Medical Service, Law, Medicine, and other fields which require much

education. By the way, Biology 2401 and 2402 are Anatomy and Physiology,

both related very strongly to EMS.

This is exactly what people have been talking about on the list server the

past couple of weeks. EMS people are unable to get along, in many cases.

EMS people cannot agree on things, in many cases. EMS people are their own

worst enemy. How can we expect EMS to be recognized as a profession if we

act like this?

Oh, by the way, do you have a name to go with your post on the list server?

, Licensed Paramedic

[Guest guest]

Thanks I believe you covered nearly all the questions I had when I read

that post.

Mark NREMT-P Lic.P

Re: Licensed Paramedics

> AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T KNOW NOTHING

> MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR THAT THEY

> WANT

> TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR

> MANAGMENT....DON'T

> MAKE ANY SENSE

>

>

>

Blanket statements like you made above are not acceptable or truthful. You

lump all licensed paramedics into one group.

Your statement that licensed paramedics have a degree in biology or managment

is short sighted. What about those licensed paramedics with degrees in

Emergency Medical Service, Law, Medicine, and other fields which require much

education. By the way, Biology 2401 and 2402 are Anatomy and Physiology,

both related very strongly to EMS.

This is exactly what people have been talking about on the list server the

past couple of weeks. EMS people are unable to get along, in many cases.

EMS people cannot agree on things, in many cases. EMS people are their own

worst enemy. How can we expect EMS to be recognized as a profession if we

act like this?

Oh, by the way, do you have a name to go with your post on the list server?

, Licensed Paramedic

[Guest guest]

To the disgruntled person who thinks LPs are inexperienced and who shall

remain nameless:

NO offense, and I'm not sure whether you are being facetious; however, if

your comments are representing EMS or any other profession, the

inappropriate use of your grammar can be regarded as unprofessional. When

you talk and write as grammatically incorrect as you currently are, no

wonder why our profession is regarded without respect. Your " DON'T KNOW

NOTHING " and " DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE " comments help to keep our profession

oppressed. This is a fundamental example of why education is important not

only within EMS, but also in our society.

Moreover, I put " blood, sweat, and tears " into getting my degree. I am

proud to be a licensed paramedic. I scraped by on EMS wages, worked 70+

hours a week on the ambulance, and went to school full time. In essence, I

gave up a lot. You better believe that I feel there should be opportunities

available and the chance to make EMS a better profession. I also think that

there are many people who have had similar experiences and feel the same.

Additionally, I think you offered examples that do not fit into the

discussion on licensure and professionalism in EMS. I am fully aware of

other certified paramedics that are unable to put c-collars on correctly as

well as those that have greater clinical deficits. You can not link the

person's clinical skills and experience with their degree. Experience comes

throughout time. The statement is unfair to both certified and lessened

paramedics alike.

Nevertheless, I think we need to determine ways of increasing our status

within the medical community and lobbying for the changes.

Dawn Bitz BS, LP, NREMTP,

Re: Licensed Paramedics

> AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T KNOW

NOTHING

> MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR THAT THEY

> WANT

> TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR

> MANAGMENT....DON'T

> MAKE ANY SENSE

>

>

>

Blanket statements like you made above are not acceptable or truthful. You

lump all licensed paramedics into one group.

Your statement that licensed paramedics have a degree in biology or

managment

is short sighted. What about those licensed paramedics with degrees in

Emergency Medical Service, Law, Medicine, and other fields which require

much

education. By the way, Biology 2401 and 2402 are Anatomy and Physiology,

both related very strongly to EMS.

This is exactly what people have been talking about on the list server the

past couple of weeks. EMS people are unable to get along, in many cases.

EMS people cannot agree on things, in many cases. EMS people are their own

worst enemy. How can we expect EMS to be recognized as a profession if we

act like this?

Oh, by the way, do you have a name to go with your post on the list server?

, Licensed Paramedic

[Guest guest]

Before we bash L.P.'s those of you who have not been to college have

no idea the degree of difficulty involved. Granted, a degree or

college level work will not make a paramedic a good paramedic;

however, the diligence to work required to complete any college level

coursework, including a college based paramedic program speaks well

for future success. As for incompetent paramedics and c-collars, that

is not a good arguement. Doctors make plenty of mistakes at first. We

do need to find direction for this program and ceratinly ensure re-

licensing requirements asap.

> Thanks I believe you covered nearly all the questions I had

when I read that post.

>

> Mark NREMT-P Lic.P

> Re: Licensed Paramedics

>

>

>

>

> > AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T

KNOW NOTHING

> > MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR

THAT THEY

> > WANT

> > TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR

> > MANAGMENT....DON'T

> > MAKE ANY SENSE

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> Blanket statements like you made above are not acceptable or

truthful. You

> lump all licensed paramedics into one group.

>

> Your statement that licensed paramedics have a degree in biology

or managment

> is short sighted. What about those licensed paramedics with

degrees in

> Emergency Medical Service, Law, Medicine, and other fields which

require much

> education. By the way, Biology 2401 and 2402 are Anatomy and

Physiology,

> both related very strongly to EMS.

>

> This is exactly what people have been talking about on the list

server the

> past couple of weeks. EMS people are unable to get along, in

many cases.

> EMS people cannot agree on things, in many cases. EMS people are

their own

> worst enemy. How can we expect EMS to be recognized as a

profession if we

> act like this?

>

> Oh, by the way, do you have a name to go with your post on the

list server?

>

> , Licensed Paramedic

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Before we bash L.P.'s those of you who have not been to college have

no idea the degree of difficulty involved. Granted, a degree or

college level work will not make a paramedic a good paramedic;

however, the diligence to work required to complete any college level

coursework, including a college based paramedic program speaks well

for future success. As for incompetent paramedics and c-collars, that

is not a good arguement. Doctors make plenty of mistakes at first. We

do need to find direction for this program and ceratinly ensure re-

licensing requirements asap.

> Thanks I believe you covered nearly all the questions I had

when I read that post.

>

> Mark NREMT-P Lic.P

> Re: Licensed Paramedics

>

>

>

>

> > AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T

KNOW NOTHING

> > MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR

THAT THEY

> > WANT

> > TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR

> > MANAGMENT....DON'T

> > MAKE ANY SENSE

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> Blanket statements like you made above are not acceptable or

truthful. You

> lump all licensed paramedics into one group.

>

> Your statement that licensed paramedics have a degree in biology

or managment

> is short sighted. What about those licensed paramedics with

degrees in

> Emergency Medical Service, Law, Medicine, and other fields which

require much

> education. By the way, Biology 2401 and 2402 are Anatomy and

Physiology,

> both related very strongly to EMS.

>

> This is exactly what people have been talking about on the list

server the

> past couple of weeks. EMS people are unable to get along, in

many cases.

> EMS people cannot agree on things, in many cases. EMS people are

their own

> worst enemy. How can we expect EMS to be recognized as a

profession if we

> act like this?

>

> Oh, by the way, do you have a name to go with your post on the

list server?

>

> , Licensed Paramedic

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would normally refrain from posting into this thread as I do not have a

degree nor am I licensed but I do recognize that this [meaning licensure] is

a critical step for EMS. I a license medic different out there in the field

than a non-licensed one? That depends, there is no blanket statement that

can answer that and if you think there is, you are being narrow minded.

What does college have to offer EMS? Quite a bit, it offers an opening of a

persons horizons, helping them to see things from the other side's point of

view sometimes. It gives them more depth of knowledge, for example, I am an

EMS course coordinator and I have been very successful in teaching ECA, EMT

courses and even a paramedic course but there is no way I could cover

anatomy and physiology nearly as well as a biologist in a college classroom.

I do not have the experience or the knowledge base to do so. What else does

college provide? It teaches you to convey your thought using something that

at least resembles English (emti911 you need to watch for those double

negatives) and that addresses a specific concern with evidence and reason

and not emotion and anecdotes. College also means they will probably

understand the financial issues regarding EMS and healthcare better as they

have at least taken a economics course.

So does it really justify higher pay, today that depends on the capacity the

person occupies and their contribution to the agency and the agencies

policies, tomorrow, you can bet your buttocks it will.

I am currently pursuing a degree, actually a double major and I have seen a

change in my opinions and method of presenting them since I started and feel

that college is essential to our profession, however, I do not think it will

automatically bring us professionalism. Professionalism comes from not

tolerating unethical or illegal behavior, from establishing state wide

standards and sticking to them and by working together despite our

differences.

Steve Dralle EMT-P (Certified), EMSC

San , TX

Re: Licensed Paramedics

Thanks I believe you covered nearly all the questions I had when I

read that post.

Mark NREMT-P Lic.P

Re: Licensed Paramedics

> AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T KNOW

NOTHING

> MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR THAT THEY

> WANT

> TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR

> MANAGMENT....DON'T

> MAKE ANY SENSE

>

>

>

Blanket statements like you made above are not acceptable or truthful.

You

lump all licensed paramedics into one group.

Your statement that licensed paramedics have a degree in biology or

managment

is short sighted. What about those licensed paramedics with degrees in

Emergency Medical Service, Law, Medicine, and other fields which require

much

education. By the way, Biology 2401 and 2402 are Anatomy and Physiology,

both related very strongly to EMS.

This is exactly what people have been talking about on the list server the

past couple of weeks. EMS people are unable to get along, in many cases.

EMS people cannot agree on things, in many cases. EMS people are their

own

worst enemy. How can we expect EMS to be recognized as a profession if we

act like this?

Oh, by the way, do you have a name to go with your post on the list

server?

, Licensed Paramedic