Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 So what exactly was the purpose for getting licensure ? When I called the TDH to check on my status change I was informed I was not licensed, but certified to be licensed, was the way I believe she phrased it. Seems like a real waste of time and $100 to me. I have been a medic for over 12 years now, can anyone tell me of any " real " benefit to being licensed? Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T KNOW NOTHING MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR THAT THEY WANT TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR MANAGMENT....DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T KNOW NOTHING MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR THAT THEY WANT TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR MANAGMENT....DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 > AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T KNOW NOTHING > MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR THAT THEY > WANT > TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR > MANAGMENT....DON'T > MAKE ANY SENSE > > > Blanket statements like you made above are not acceptable or truthful. You lump all licensed paramedics into one group. Your statement that licensed paramedics have a degree in biology or managment is short sighted. What about those licensed paramedics with degrees in Emergency Medical Service, Law, Medicine, and other fields which require much education. By the way, Biology 2401 and 2402 are Anatomy and Physiology, both related very strongly to EMS. This is exactly what people have been talking about on the list server the past couple of weeks. EMS people are unable to get along, in many cases. EMS people cannot agree on things, in many cases. EMS people are their own worst enemy. How can we expect EMS to be recognized as a profession if we act like this? Oh, by the way, do you have a name to go with your post on the list server? , Licensed Paramedic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 > AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T KNOW NOTHING > MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR THAT THEY > WANT > TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR > MANAGMENT....DON'T > MAKE ANY SENSE > > > Blanket statements like you made above are not acceptable or truthful. You lump all licensed paramedics into one group. Your statement that licensed paramedics have a degree in biology or managment is short sighted. What about those licensed paramedics with degrees in Emergency Medical Service, Law, Medicine, and other fields which require much education. By the way, Biology 2401 and 2402 are Anatomy and Physiology, both related very strongly to EMS. This is exactly what people have been talking about on the list server the past couple of weeks. EMS people are unable to get along, in many cases. EMS people cannot agree on things, in many cases. EMS people are their own worst enemy. How can we expect EMS to be recognized as a profession if we act like this? Oh, by the way, do you have a name to go with your post on the list server? , Licensed Paramedic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 I believe that licensure is an effort to make better medics through more formal education. Not to stir up the RN / Paramedic debate, but to become an RN requires a larger amount of investment in time to education, yet we can " churn-out " a Paramedic in less than a year in some programs. EMS and protocols have progressed statewide to the point that, I believe, we need more formal education, which will in turn lead to the respect we deserve as medical professionals. Also, some services are paying more for LP's. Montgomery County Hospital District is one I think. Dan Rathe, BS, LP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 Forgive me for being blunt, but I know LP who have trouble fitting a c-collar. And for this they should be paid more Christy RE: Licensed Paramedics > I believe that licensure is an effort to make better medics through more > formal education. Not to stir up the RN / Paramedic debate, but to become > an RN requires a larger amount of investment in time to education, yet we > can " churn-out " a Paramedic in less than a year in some programs. EMS and > protocols have progressed statewide to the point that, I believe, we need > more formal education, which will in turn lead to the respect we deserve as > medical professionals. > > Also, some services are paying more for LP's. Montgomery County Hospital > District is one I think. > > Dan Rathe, BS, LP > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 Every service has them... Re: Licensed Paramedics Forgive me for being blunt, but I know LP who have trouble fitting a c-collar. And for this they should be paid more Christy RE: Licensed Paramedics > I believe that licensure is an effort to make better medics through more > formal education. Not to stir up the RN / Paramedic debate, but to become > an RN requires a larger amount of investment in time to education, yet we > can " churn-out " a Paramedic in less than a year in some programs. EMS and > protocols have progressed statewide to the point that, I believe, we need > more formal education, which will in turn lead to the respect we deserve as > medical professionals. > > Also, some services are paying more for LP's. Montgomery County Hospital > District is one I think. > > Dan Rathe, BS, LP > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 I know. And I don't mean to be grumpy about it. It's just that it is the 1 thing that irks me to no end. Christy RE: Licensed Paramedics > > > > I believe that licensure is an effort to make better medics through more > > formal education. Not to stir up the RN / Paramedic debate, but to become > > an RN requires a larger amount of investment in time to education, yet we > > can " churn-out " a Paramedic in less than a year in some programs. EMS and > > protocols have progressed statewide to the point that, I believe, we need > > more formal education, which will in turn lead to the respect we deserve > as > > medical professionals. > > > > Also, some services are paying more for LP's. Montgomery County Hospital > > District is one I think. > > > > Dan Rathe, BS, LP > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 I know. And I don't mean to be grumpy about it. It's just that it is the 1 thing that irks me to no end. Christy RE: Licensed Paramedics > > > > I believe that licensure is an effort to make better medics through more > > formal education. Not to stir up the RN / Paramedic debate, but to become > > an RN requires a larger amount of investment in time to education, yet we > > can " churn-out " a Paramedic in less than a year in some programs. EMS and > > protocols have progressed statewide to the point that, I believe, we need > > more formal education, which will in turn lead to the respect we deserve > as > > medical professionals. > > > > Also, some services are paying more for LP's. Montgomery County Hospital > > District is one I think. > > > > Dan Rathe, BS, LP > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 The point wasn't about " Licensed vs. Certified " - it was about the vailidity of a paramedic's license vs. that of any other healthc care license, from nurses to other allied health folks. Licensure would seem to indicate a place or position in the medical community, and a set of responsibilities/practices to go along with that. For now, that's not the case. While " licensure " was enacted by rule, it now needs to be codified into the same code (Occupations Code) that every other health professional is in, so that paramedicine can grow the same way nursing did in it's start. And look at them now - nurse practitioners, CRNA's, etc. Much, much more advanced practice than ever thought possible before. And much, much more education. And much, much more respect. And much, much more pay. Of course there is still a place for EMT-Basics and EMT- Intermediates - the backbone of EMS in Texas if you're not near a major metropolitan area. I'm not suggesting we leave them behind, and I'm not degrading them in any way. Paramedics, however, have had licensure placed before us like a carrot, taken a bite and said " now what? " I believe the " now what " is before us... Mike > Forgive me for being blunt, but I know LP who have trouble fitting a > c-collar. And for this they should be paid more > Christy > RE: Licensed Paramedics > > > > I believe that licensure is an effort to make better medics through more > > formal education. Not to stir up the RN / Paramedic debate, but to become > > an RN requires a larger amount of investment in time to education, yet we > > can " churn-out " a Paramedic in less than a year in some programs. EMS and > > protocols have progressed statewide to the point that, I believe, we need > > more formal education, which will in turn lead to the respect we deserve > as > > medical professionals. > > > > Also, some services are paying more for LP's. Montgomery County Hospital > > District is one I think. > > > > Dan Rathe, BS, LP > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 So, I wonder how we could go about getting this to where licensed paramedics fall into the " recognized " category? The S.O.S Office told me last year, that as long as the license was issued by a Texas Reglatory agency that it should be recognized by ALL other state regulatory agencies as " licensed personnel " . The way things stand right now, that license is not worth the paper that it is printed on, basically. Wayne > >Reply-To: >To: < > >Subject: RE: Licensed Paramedics >Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 07:58:47 -0500 > >Right, but this is set forth by rules adopted by TDH/BEM (and make no >mistake, I think it was a good attempt at a step forward but was foiled >by some rather selfish folks in the EMS community). And there is no >definition for licensure in the Occupations Code. Since the BNE had >decided that Licensed Paramedics were not Licensed medical personnel >(that's how the discussion went before), this may be why. Right now, >only folks operating under the Health and Safety Code " recognize " >paramedic licensure. Nurses " license " from the TOC and the BNE/BVNE are >authorized from there, so their rules go straight to the same spot in >the law that their license requirements and authority come from, along >with every other health profession except paramedicine. > >In fact, I'd wonder if the AG's office will suspend a Paramedic License >for failure to pay child support, or if they don't recognize it as a >license, either. > >Mike > > > Re: Licensed Paramedics > > > > > > > > The followind is taken directly from the Health and Safety > > Code CHAPTER 773. > > EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES. In texas EMS falls primarily > > under this code or > > statutes. The following defines a licensed paramedic so it > > looks like a > > Licensed Paramedic is defined in a statute. > > > > § 773.0495. Licensed Paramedic Qualifications > > > > An individual qualifies as a licensed paramedic if the > > department > > determines that the individual is minimally proficient to > > provide advanced > > life support that includes initiation under medical > > supervision of certain > > procedures, including intravenous therapy, endotracheal or esophageal > > intubation, electrical cardiac defibrillation or > > cardioversion, and drug > > therapy. In addition, a licensed paramedic must complete a > > curriculum that > > includes college-level course work in accordance with rules > > adopted by the > > board. > > > > > > Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 435, § 2, eff. Sept. 1, 1997. > > > > > > > > Mike Shown, EMT-P > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 So, I wonder how we could go about getting this to where licensed paramedics fall into the " recognized " category? The S.O.S Office told me last year, that as long as the license was issued by a Texas Reglatory agency that it should be recognized by ALL other state regulatory agencies as " licensed personnel " . The way things stand right now, that license is not worth the paper that it is printed on, basically. Wayne > >Reply-To: >To: < > >Subject: RE: Licensed Paramedics >Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 07:58:47 -0500 > >Right, but this is set forth by rules adopted by TDH/BEM (and make no >mistake, I think it was a good attempt at a step forward but was foiled >by some rather selfish folks in the EMS community). And there is no >definition for licensure in the Occupations Code. Since the BNE had >decided that Licensed Paramedics were not Licensed medical personnel >(that's how the discussion went before), this may be why. Right now, >only folks operating under the Health and Safety Code " recognize " >paramedic licensure. Nurses " license " from the TOC and the BNE/BVNE are >authorized from there, so their rules go straight to the same spot in >the law that their license requirements and authority come from, along >with every other health profession except paramedicine. > >In fact, I'd wonder if the AG's office will suspend a Paramedic License >for failure to pay child support, or if they don't recognize it as a >license, either. > >Mike > > > Re: Licensed Paramedics > > > > > > > > The followind is taken directly from the Health and Safety > > Code CHAPTER 773. > > EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES. In texas EMS falls primarily > > under this code or > > statutes. The following defines a licensed paramedic so it > > looks like a > > Licensed Paramedic is defined in a statute. > > > > § 773.0495. Licensed Paramedic Qualifications > > > > An individual qualifies as a licensed paramedic if the > > department > > determines that the individual is minimally proficient to > > provide advanced > > life support that includes initiation under medical > > supervision of certain > > procedures, including intravenous therapy, endotracheal or esophageal > > intubation, electrical cardiac defibrillation or > > cardioversion, and drug > > therapy. In addition, a licensed paramedic must complete a > > curriculum that > > includes college-level course work in accordance with rules > > adopted by the > > board. > > > > > > Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 435, § 2, eff. Sept. 1, 1997. > > > > > > > > Mike Shown, EMT-P > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 Randy, I am with you 100%. Why would our students want to go through the trouble of extra school when they can't see a benefit. Why not go through one of the cattle herding programs and become certified? I hope we come together to solve this problem and this mentality. As a profession, we have been stagnant at best. It is time to show the medical field who we are and what we can do. EMSAT would be a great place to start if you want to help make a change. I just printed my application. We must come together and be heard as one voice. With that being said, I am looking to make a major change in my community. I will post my idea today, and I would love to get a response from as many people as possible. Neil White, LP Abilene, TX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 Randy, I am with you 100%. Why would our students want to go through the trouble of extra school when they can't see a benefit. Why not go through one of the cattle herding programs and become certified? I hope we come together to solve this problem and this mentality. As a profession, we have been stagnant at best. It is time to show the medical field who we are and what we can do. EMSAT would be a great place to start if you want to help make a change. I just printed my application. We must come together and be heard as one voice. With that being said, I am looking to make a major change in my community. I will post my idea today, and I would love to get a response from as many people as possible. Neil White, LP Abilene, TX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 In a message dated 5/22/2002 5:32:35 PM Central Standard Time, steve_dralle@... writes: > > Excellent point, how many services out their turn their new paramedic loose > with a drug box and a license to kill right after they get their patch > (certified or licensed)? I agree 100%. We train our new medics for 81/2 months before they are released to the general public. This goes for new medics and old medics. We are equal training employers. Andy Foote Beaumont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 It seems the only ones complaining are the LIC PARAMEDICS....WELL I, AM, NEW PARAMEDICS COMING OUT OF THE SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO BE LIC-P.....THAT IS WHAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH....A NEW PARAMEDIC THAT STARTS AT SOME SERVICES STRAIT OUT OF SCHOOL WILL MAKE MORE PER YEAR BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LIC...THAN THAT OF A CERT PARAMEDIC....OF 12 YEARS...THAT IS JUST NOT RIGHT....PAY SHOULD BE BASED ON EXPERIENCE NOT IF YOU HAVE A DEGREE......THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR EXPERIENCE........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 Do you have that in writing? If there's a ruling to reference, that would be a great start. SOS - Sec'y of State? > Re: Licensed Paramedics > > > > > > > > > > > > The followind is taken directly from the Health and Safety Code > > > CHAPTER 773. EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES. In texas EMS falls > > > primarily under this code or > > > statutes. The following defines a licensed paramedic so it > > > looks like a > > > Licensed Paramedic is defined in a statute. > > > > > > § 773.0495. Licensed Paramedic Qualifications > > > > > > An individual qualifies as a licensed paramedic if the > > > department determines that the individual is minimally > proficient to > > > provide advanced > > > life support that includes initiation under medical > > > supervision of certain > > > procedures, including intravenous therapy, endotracheal > or esophageal > > > intubation, electrical cardiac defibrillation or > > > cardioversion, and drug > > > therapy. In addition, a licensed paramedic must complete a > > > curriculum that > > > includes college-level course work in accordance with rules > > > adopted by the > > > board. > > > > > > > > > Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 435, § 2, eff. Sept. 1, 1997. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Shown, EMT-P > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 Do you have that in writing? If there's a ruling to reference, that would be a great start. SOS - Sec'y of State? > Re: Licensed Paramedics > > > > > > > > > > > > The followind is taken directly from the Health and Safety Code > > > CHAPTER 773. EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES. In texas EMS falls > > > primarily under this code or > > > statutes. The following defines a licensed paramedic so it > > > looks like a > > > Licensed Paramedic is defined in a statute. > > > > > > § 773.0495. Licensed Paramedic Qualifications > > > > > > An individual qualifies as a licensed paramedic if the > > > department determines that the individual is minimally > proficient to > > > provide advanced > > > life support that includes initiation under medical > > > supervision of certain > > > procedures, including intravenous therapy, endotracheal > or esophageal > > > intubation, electrical cardiac defibrillation or > > > cardioversion, and drug > > > therapy. In addition, a licensed paramedic must complete a > > > curriculum that > > > includes college-level course work in accordance with rules > > > adopted by the > > > board. > > > > > > > > > Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 435, § 2, eff. Sept. 1, 1997. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Shown, EMT-P > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 Thanks I believe you covered nearly all the questions I had when I read that post. Mark NREMT-P Lic.P Re: Licensed Paramedics > AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T KNOW NOTHING > MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR THAT THEY > WANT > TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR > MANAGMENT....DON'T > MAKE ANY SENSE > > > Blanket statements like you made above are not acceptable or truthful. You lump all licensed paramedics into one group. Your statement that licensed paramedics have a degree in biology or managment is short sighted. What about those licensed paramedics with degrees in Emergency Medical Service, Law, Medicine, and other fields which require much education. By the way, Biology 2401 and 2402 are Anatomy and Physiology, both related very strongly to EMS. This is exactly what people have been talking about on the list server the past couple of weeks. EMS people are unable to get along, in many cases. EMS people cannot agree on things, in many cases. EMS people are their own worst enemy. How can we expect EMS to be recognized as a profession if we act like this? Oh, by the way, do you have a name to go with your post on the list server? , Licensed Paramedic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 Thanks I believe you covered nearly all the questions I had when I read that post. Mark NREMT-P Lic.P Re: Licensed Paramedics > AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T KNOW NOTHING > MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR THAT THEY > WANT > TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR > MANAGMENT....DON'T > MAKE ANY SENSE > > > Blanket statements like you made above are not acceptable or truthful. You lump all licensed paramedics into one group. Your statement that licensed paramedics have a degree in biology or managment is short sighted. What about those licensed paramedics with degrees in Emergency Medical Service, Law, Medicine, and other fields which require much education. By the way, Biology 2401 and 2402 are Anatomy and Physiology, both related very strongly to EMS. This is exactly what people have been talking about on the list server the past couple of weeks. EMS people are unable to get along, in many cases. EMS people cannot agree on things, in many cases. EMS people are their own worst enemy. How can we expect EMS to be recognized as a profession if we act like this? Oh, by the way, do you have a name to go with your post on the list server? , Licensed Paramedic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 To the disgruntled person who thinks LPs are inexperienced and who shall remain nameless: NO offense, and I'm not sure whether you are being facetious; however, if your comments are representing EMS or any other profession, the inappropriate use of your grammar can be regarded as unprofessional. When you talk and write as grammatically incorrect as you currently are, no wonder why our profession is regarded without respect. Your " DON'T KNOW NOTHING " and " DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE " comments help to keep our profession oppressed. This is a fundamental example of why education is important not only within EMS, but also in our society. Moreover, I put " blood, sweat, and tears " into getting my degree. I am proud to be a licensed paramedic. I scraped by on EMS wages, worked 70+ hours a week on the ambulance, and went to school full time. In essence, I gave up a lot. You better believe that I feel there should be opportunities available and the chance to make EMS a better profession. I also think that there are many people who have had similar experiences and feel the same. Additionally, I think you offered examples that do not fit into the discussion on licensure and professionalism in EMS. I am fully aware of other certified paramedics that are unable to put c-collars on correctly as well as those that have greater clinical deficits. You can not link the person's clinical skills and experience with their degree. Experience comes throughout time. The statement is unfair to both certified and lessened paramedics alike. Nevertheless, I think we need to determine ways of increasing our status within the medical community and lobbying for the changes. Dawn Bitz BS, LP, NREMTP, Re: Licensed Paramedics > AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T KNOW NOTHING > MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR THAT THEY > WANT > TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR > MANAGMENT....DON'T > MAKE ANY SENSE > > > Blanket statements like you made above are not acceptable or truthful. You lump all licensed paramedics into one group. Your statement that licensed paramedics have a degree in biology or managment is short sighted. What about those licensed paramedics with degrees in Emergency Medical Service, Law, Medicine, and other fields which require much education. By the way, Biology 2401 and 2402 are Anatomy and Physiology, both related very strongly to EMS. This is exactly what people have been talking about on the list server the past couple of weeks. EMS people are unable to get along, in many cases. EMS people cannot agree on things, in many cases. EMS people are their own worst enemy. How can we expect EMS to be recognized as a profession if we act like this? Oh, by the way, do you have a name to go with your post on the list server? , Licensed Paramedic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 Before we bash L.P.'s those of you who have not been to college have no idea the degree of difficulty involved. Granted, a degree or college level work will not make a paramedic a good paramedic; however, the diligence to work required to complete any college level coursework, including a college based paramedic program speaks well for future success. As for incompetent paramedics and c-collars, that is not a good arguement. Doctors make plenty of mistakes at first. We do need to find direction for this program and ceratinly ensure re- licensing requirements asap. > Thanks I believe you covered nearly all the questions I had when I read that post. > > Mark NREMT-P Lic.P > Re: Licensed Paramedics > > > > > > AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T KNOW NOTHING > > MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR THAT THEY > > WANT > > TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR > > MANAGMENT....DON'T > > MAKE ANY SENSE > > > > > > > > > Blanket statements like you made above are not acceptable or truthful. You > lump all licensed paramedics into one group. > > Your statement that licensed paramedics have a degree in biology or managment > is short sighted. What about those licensed paramedics with degrees in > Emergency Medical Service, Law, Medicine, and other fields which require much > education. By the way, Biology 2401 and 2402 are Anatomy and Physiology, > both related very strongly to EMS. > > This is exactly what people have been talking about on the list server the > past couple of weeks. EMS people are unable to get along, in many cases. > EMS people cannot agree on things, in many cases. EMS people are their own > worst enemy. How can we expect EMS to be recognized as a profession if we > act like this? > > Oh, by the way, do you have a name to go with your post on the list server? > > , Licensed Paramedic > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 Before we bash L.P.'s those of you who have not been to college have no idea the degree of difficulty involved. Granted, a degree or college level work will not make a paramedic a good paramedic; however, the diligence to work required to complete any college level coursework, including a college based paramedic program speaks well for future success. As for incompetent paramedics and c-collars, that is not a good arguement. Doctors make plenty of mistakes at first. We do need to find direction for this program and ceratinly ensure re- licensing requirements asap. > Thanks I believe you covered nearly all the questions I had when I read that post. > > Mark NREMT-P Lic.P > Re: Licensed Paramedics > > > > > > AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T KNOW NOTHING > > MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR THAT THEY > > WANT > > TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR > > MANAGMENT....DON'T > > MAKE ANY SENSE > > > > > > > > > Blanket statements like you made above are not acceptable or truthful. You > lump all licensed paramedics into one group. > > Your statement that licensed paramedics have a degree in biology or managment > is short sighted. What about those licensed paramedics with degrees in > Emergency Medical Service, Law, Medicine, and other fields which require much > education. By the way, Biology 2401 and 2402 are Anatomy and Physiology, > both related very strongly to EMS. > > This is exactly what people have been talking about on the list server the > past couple of weeks. EMS people are unable to get along, in many cases. > EMS people cannot agree on things, in many cases. EMS people are their own > worst enemy. How can we expect EMS to be recognized as a profession if we > act like this? > > Oh, by the way, do you have a name to go with your post on the list server? > > , Licensed Paramedic > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2002 Report Share Posted May 22, 2002 I would normally refrain from posting into this thread as I do not have a degree nor am I licensed but I do recognize that this [meaning licensure] is a critical step for EMS. I a license medic different out there in the field than a non-licensed one? That depends, there is no blanket statement that can answer that and if you think there is, you are being narrow minded. What does college have to offer EMS? Quite a bit, it offers an opening of a persons horizons, helping them to see things from the other side's point of view sometimes. It gives them more depth of knowledge, for example, I am an EMS course coordinator and I have been very successful in teaching ECA, EMT courses and even a paramedic course but there is no way I could cover anatomy and physiology nearly as well as a biologist in a college classroom. I do not have the experience or the knowledge base to do so. What else does college provide? It teaches you to convey your thought using something that at least resembles English (emti911 you need to watch for those double negatives) and that addresses a specific concern with evidence and reason and not emotion and anecdotes. College also means they will probably understand the financial issues regarding EMS and healthcare better as they have at least taken a economics course. So does it really justify higher pay, today that depends on the capacity the person occupies and their contribution to the agency and the agencies policies, tomorrow, you can bet your buttocks it will. I am currently pursuing a degree, actually a double major and I have seen a change in my opinions and method of presenting them since I started and feel that college is essential to our profession, however, I do not think it will automatically bring us professionalism. Professionalism comes from not tolerating unethical or illegal behavior, from establishing state wide standards and sticking to them and by working together despite our differences. Steve Dralle EMT-P (Certified), EMSC San , TX Re: Licensed Paramedics Thanks I believe you covered nearly all the questions I had when I read that post. Mark NREMT-P Lic.P Re: Licensed Paramedics > AMEN.....THE LIC PARAMEDICS THAT ARE BEING TURNED OUT ....DON'T KNOW NOTHING > MORE THAT THE BASICS,,,,THEY HAVE NO STREET EXPERIENCE AND FOR THAT THEY > WANT > TO PAY THEM MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY OR > MANAGMENT....DON'T > MAKE ANY SENSE > > > Blanket statements like you made above are not acceptable or truthful. You lump all licensed paramedics into one group. Your statement that licensed paramedics have a degree in biology or managment is short sighted. What about those licensed paramedics with degrees in Emergency Medical Service, Law, Medicine, and other fields which require much education. By the way, Biology 2401 and 2402 are Anatomy and Physiology, both related very strongly to EMS. This is exactly what people have been talking about on the list server the past couple of weeks. EMS people are unable to get along, in many cases. EMS people cannot agree on things, in many cases. EMS people are their own worst enemy. How can we expect EMS to be recognized as a profession if we act like this? Oh, by the way, do you have a name to go with your post on the list server? , Licensed Paramedic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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