Doctors, tad bit long, sorry about being so wordy today.

April 19, 2004

Hi everyone,

First off, I just want to say: Not all Doctors are Bad, or Good for

that matter. I've spent most of my life around Doctors, first, my

father was a Doctor and I have worked with them for a great deal of

my adult life, I think because I can talk on their level and will

call a spade a spade when I catch them at an incorrect comment. They

are not " Gods " , they are only human beings that have a limit, just

like we do, and on how many hours a day they have to work with.

What I wanted to say, in part, is about my Father (and a great many

other Physicians). He worked 5 days a week, 12 hour shifts and then

on Saturday would consult with other Doctors at another hospital for

another 12 hours. Then on Sunday, after church, he would disappear

into the den and would read all the new Medical Journals and

articles that had come out during the previous week. We kids didn't

see him very much; my younger sister just recently said that she

never really got to know our Dad until he retired (from exhaustion).

He didn't want to, he really did enjoy helping others but life

didn't deal him a long living healthy body to reside within. In the

end he apologized to our mother and his family for not taking the

time to be with us.

I guess what I am saying is that Doctors, just like the rest of

humanity, are human. They need time away from the medical field to

keep their head straight. Unfortunately, for some, this may come at

the cost of the time needed for reading every single word in every

single medical journal. That is why an educated patient is so valued

by most Doctors. Educated patients may show an open minded Doctor

new research about the possible conditions that the Doctor suspects

may be effecting the patient. However, shoving the documents and

research papers down a Doctors throat only alienates the Doctor and

by protective instinct will just have to put their hackles up and

can only be expected to defend themselves and their education.

Which, in some cases, took 10 more years after the basic four year

Bachelor degree. And to keep their license current, they have to

take so many hours of continuing education within their specialty

every year! And be subject to peer review.

I could go on and on with this subject, but I hope that I have made

my point. Most Doctors, if " handled " nicely, politely, will listen

to an educated patient. If the patient walks angry and is abusive to

the Doctor, guess what, the Doctor only has a few minutes, because

of insurance regulations, and more than likely will just reflect

back to the patient the patients anger.

No, No Doctor is a God; I have met a few who thought that they were.

And have had to deal with them on a professional level, as well as

on a WC situation. It is just amazing how, when given the facts and

research, politely, with courtesy, with respect, even the most

Attitude stricken, stubborn a**** Doctor will take the time to

listen and learn and work with the open minded patient.

WE NEED TO EDUCATE OURSELVES, TO BE ABLE TO ASSIST THE DOCTOR IN

CARING FOR OUR MALADIES. No Human can possible be a walking

encyclopedia of current Medical knowledge.

GIVE THESE HARD WORKING MEN AND WOMEN A BREAK FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

HELP THEM, HELP YOU!

Okay, enough of my rant for the day.

Gossimer

April 19, 2004

Hi Gossimer. Great post.

Gossimer, when this site first started, we had a gal on here

regularly who was married to a doc. And it was an interesting

situation for her and us--she had to educate her own husband based

on what she was learning here. After awhile, I noticed she wasn't

posting anymore, and I've always wondered if our ranting and raving

turned her away. I felt bad for her if that was the case.

On the other hand, I understood the ranting and raving. It's the

medical community, and many docs in particular, who are the reason

we have stayed so sick, so long. For me, I don't think any of the

volumes of docs I saw over those 17 long miserable years on T4

meds " meant " to be horrible and close-minded and ignorant. Yet, I

can look back and wonder why not ONE dared to go outside of the box

and look at the obvious, and treat the obvious. It's hard not to be

bitter!

Additionally, when I see what the Medical Board and docs have done

to someone as fantastic as Dr. Derry in Canada, and what

similar " medical boards and docs on those boards " could do to the

few OUTSTANDING docs and NP's that I know (including my own), it

sickens me. My NP has to live with fear every day that her board

will find out what she is " allowing " as far as thyroid

treatment........when that " allowing " is simply practising GOOD

medicine and I am WELL because of it!!!

When I look at what WONDERFUL things docs have done in other areas,

including the recent treatment my husband got for his prostate

cancer (Proton Beam Therapy), then I am PROUD and POSITIVE of docs.

But when I look at what has happened the past few decades and in the

present when it comes to thyroid treatment, I am ashamed and

NEGATIVE about docs.

Sigh.

Janie

p.s. And by the way, you are right! Docs are not Gods. The

frustration is seeing folks VIEW them as GODS!! My mother-in-law is

one of them, and she has suffered MIGHTILY because she followed the

docs orders and prescriptions to the T!!

> First off, I just want to say: Not all Doctors are Bad, or Good

for

> that matter. I've spent most of my life around Doctors, first, my

> father was a Doctor and I have worked with them for a great deal

of

> my adult life, I think because I can talk on their level and will

> call a spade a spade when I catch them at an incorrect comment.

April 19, 2004

Thanks Janie,

I think if the world were to realize that Doctors are ONLY human and

can only hold so much in their brains at any one time, a lot of us

would be in better positions and health.

I watch only a few shows on the idiot tube, however, one that I

really love to watch is " West Wing " . Recently, the " President " was

teaching his protogee how to play chess...

He said: " See the WHOLE BOARD " ! He was not only saying this in

relation to the chess game but to the current situation that they

were dealing with Nation.

I wish that we could teach this to all the Professionals and none

Professionals in this world.

" See the Whole Board " " See the Whole Body "

Gossimer

> Hi Gossimer. Great post.

>

> Gossimer, when this site first started, we had a gal on here

> regularly who was married to a doc. And it was an interesting

> situation for her and us--she had to educate her own husband based

> on what she was learning here. After awhile, I noticed she wasn't

> posting anymore, and I've always wondered if our ranting and

raving

> turned her away. I felt bad for her if that was the case.

>

> On the other hand, I understood the ranting and raving. It's the

> medical community, and many docs in particular, who are the reason

> we have stayed so sick, so long. For me, I don't think any of the

> volumes of docs I saw over those 17 long miserable years on T4

> meds " meant " to be horrible and close-minded and ignorant. Yet, I

> can look back and wonder why not ONE dared to go outside of the

box

> and look at the obvious, and treat the obvious. It's hard not to

be

> bitter!

>

> Additionally, when I see what the Medical Board and docs have done

> to someone as fantastic as Dr. Derry in Canada, and what

> similar " medical boards and docs on those boards " could do to the

> few OUTSTANDING docs and NP's that I know (including my own), it

> sickens me. My NP has to live with fear every day that her board

> will find out what she is " allowing " as far as thyroid

> treatment........when that " allowing " is simply practising GOOD

> medicine and I am WELL because of it!!!

>

> When I look at what WONDERFUL things docs have done in other

areas,

> including the recent treatment my husband got for his prostate

> cancer (Proton Beam Therapy), then I am PROUD and POSITIVE of docs.

>

> But when I look at what has happened the past few decades and in

the

> present when it comes to thyroid treatment, I am ashamed and

> NEGATIVE about docs.

>

> Sigh.

>

> Janie

>

> p.s. And by the way, you are right! Docs are not Gods. The

> frustration is seeing folks VIEW them as GODS!! My mother-in-law

is

> one of them, and she has suffered MIGHTILY because she followed

the

> docs orders and prescriptions to the T!!

>

> > First off, I just want to say: Not all Doctors are Bad, or Good

> for

> > that matter. I've spent most of my life around Doctors, first,

my

> > father was a Doctor and I have worked with them for a great deal

> of

> > my adult life, I think because I can talk on their level and

will

> > call a spade a spade when I catch them at an incorrect comment.

April 20, 2004

Good Post Gossimer. 'Nuff said.

Debbie K.

Doctors, tad bit long, sorry about

being so wordy today.