Help! Discouraged! Going Back to Intro

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Help!

My son (21 months) began the SCD about 3 months ago. I confess, we

skipped the intro stage because I was afraid he would starve. We

had just finished a round of antifungal medication (Ketoconozole) so

we felt we were starting with a clean slate.

Initially, we were encouraged because for the first time we were

seeing normal color and consistency stools. We never got to the

stage of getting these results on a regular basis. We would usually

progress from nicely formed, good color stools to soft, then sloppy

then back to trophies.

Then at around 2 months into the diet, we couldn't get the trophies

back at all and an OAT test revealed that the yeast was back much

worse than before.

We've just finished another round of Ketoconozole and started

Nystatin plus we rotate four natural anti-fungals like GSE,

biociden, Aquaflora.

At this point my son is having the worst stools of his life and I

feel so discouraged. The last couple days he has produced huge

quantities of stool (over 1 lb each). His stools have become like

bread dough and foul smelling and his stomach is very distended.

I'm always wondering if what we're experiencing is die-off or re-

colonization. Is it possible to re-colonize yeast while on a drug

like Ketoconozole?

My son has little red pimple like bumps that have been around for

many months (some of them 6 months)..sometimes they're visible other

time not. When we treat for yeast with drugs, they flare up or

become itchy and crusty. Bumps that had become completely invisible

become red again and new bumps appear. We've taken him to

dermatologists and allergists and there seems to be no explanation.

Even our DAN doctor has never seen this. It seems directly related

to yeast but I just can't figure it out. Again, I wonder if when we

see them flare up, does it mean die-off or re-colonization.

Here are my confessions: We're still using Kirkman's Spectrum

Complete because I can't find a legal alternative that has the

combination of supplements we need. We're also using Culturelle and

Jarro probiotics...both of which contain inulin (I know...illegal

but recommended by our DAN doc) We're using organic baby food but I

called the company and spoke to the owner who assured me that there

were know other ingredients...we spoke at length. We've been using

Applegate farms hot dogs (I know, I know...not legal but my son will

eat them when he won't eat plain chicken. We have been using dried

fruits and dried peas (I didn't know these were a problem).

I know we've made some mistakes along the way and I'd like to go

back to the intro diet and start fresh. Is there a legal chicken

stock for the intro diet or do we have to make this from scratch?

Just an added note, though my son's still had terrible bowel

problems, he has had tremedous developmental gains. We have seen

improvements each of the three times we treated the yeast with drugs

Unfortunatley, the yeast keeps coming back worse than before and the

diet hasn't helped in that regard though I acknowledge we haven't

been entirely legal.

a

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a,

The only part I can help you with is to ask more questions about the

bumps he has. My son had a mysterious rash on his neck that came

around August. When I finally got him to our now retired DAN! dr, he

said it looked to him like a yeast rash. I may have this in a photo

that I can send you if you want to compare. The rash was red bumps,

then it turned into having white tops. Nothing would make them go

away. I actually tried scrapping a few from time to time and they

always had a seed and then bleed horribly. The scabs wouldn't heal

easily either, so obviously I ditched that idea. The rash began to

clear when I rid him of the ProEPA and Rice cereal he had been

eating. I thought it was because they had a hidden soy source in the

vitamin E and he'd been broken out from that all this time. It's

mostly gone, but he has a few lingering places. I noted that since

starting this diet the few places left are more irritated looking.

Anyway, if you want to compare and figure this out together I'll

send you a photo.

Lynn

Austin 4 yrs LCA and ASD, SCD for one week. Previously GFCF for 1

1/2 yrs. Non-veral but recent improvements that are amazing, prior

to SCD.

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I don't know if this will help but my friend's son had those same

bumps. She went to the DAN doctor and he said yeast. She went on all

this medication and it di not help, so she went to the dermotoligist

and got on different meds. Finally she took out potatoes and they

went away. They were bad too. My sonhas this also(but smaller red

bumps on the face) when he eats winter squash and a lot of eggs. You

might want to look at the foods he is eating.

(mom to London age 4 SCd 3 months)

> Help!

>

> My son (21 months) began the SCD about 3 months ago. I confess,

we

> skipped the intro stage because I was afraid he would starve. We

> had just finished a round of antifungal medication (Ketoconozole)

so

> we felt we were starting with a clean slate.

>

> Initially, we were encouraged because for the first time we were

> seeing normal color and consistency stools. We never got to the

> stage of getting these results on a regular basis. We would

usually

> progress from nicely formed, good color stools to soft, then

sloppy

> then back to trophies.

>

> Then at around 2 months into the diet, we couldn't get the

trophies

> back at all and an OAT test revealed that the yeast was back much

> worse than before.

>

> We've just finished another round of Ketoconozole and started

> Nystatin plus we rotate four natural anti-fungals like GSE,

> biociden, Aquaflora.

>

> At this point my son is having the worst stools of his life and I

> feel so discouraged. The last couple days he has produced huge

> quantities of stool (over 1 lb each). His stools have become like

> bread dough and foul smelling and his stomach is very distended.

> I'm always wondering if what we're experiencing is die-off or re-

> colonization. Is it possible to re-colonize yeast while on a drug

> like Ketoconozole?

>

> My son has little red pimple like bumps that have been around for

> many months (some of them 6 months)..sometimes they're visible

other

> time not. When we treat for yeast with drugs, they flare up or

> become itchy and crusty. Bumps that had become completely

invisible

> become red again and new bumps appear. We've taken him to

> dermatologists and allergists and there seems to be no

explanation.

> Even our DAN doctor has never seen this. It seems directly related

> to yeast but I just can't figure it out. Again, I wonder if when

we

> see them flare up, does it mean die-off or re-colonization.

>

> Here are my confessions: We're still using Kirkman's Spectrum

> Complete because I can't find a legal alternative that has the

> combination of supplements we need. We're also using Culturelle

and

> Jarro probiotics...both of which contain inulin (I know...illegal

> but recommended by our DAN doc) We're using organic baby food but

I

> called the company and spoke to the owner who assured me that

there

> were know other ingredients...we spoke at length. We've been

using

> Applegate farms hot dogs (I know, I know...not legal but my son

will

> eat them when he won't eat plain chicken. We have been using

dried

> fruits and dried peas (I didn't know these were a problem).

>

>

> I know we've made some mistakes along the way and I'd like to go

> back to the intro diet and start fresh. Is there a legal chicken

> stock for the intro diet or do we have to make this from scratch?

>

> Just an added note, though my son's still had terrible bowel

> problems, he has had tremedous developmental gains. We have seen

> improvements each of the three times we treated the yeast with

drugs

> Unfortunatley, the yeast keeps coming back worse than before and

the

> diet hasn't helped in that regard though I acknowledge we haven't

> been entirely legal.

>

> a

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I know this is probably not what you want to hear but I have steered

clear of prescription drugs to reduce yeast because of precisely

your problem. Resistant yeast surviving through treatment and then

recolonizing a stronger strain of yeast.

We have had little bumps on the face and backs of arms for years.

The face bumps have reduced through diet but the back of arm bumps

persisted until recently when I started giving epsom salt baths

daily. 1 cup epsom salts per 60lbs of child (i.e. if your child is

30lbs. use 1/2 cup) dissolved in bath water as warm as is

tolerable. I include one cup of apple cider vinegar in the bath and

use more than the recommended 1 cup of salts (my son is about

60lbs.) My ped insists that the bumps are a form of excema but I am

sure they are yeast related. Since they don't really know what

causes excema I think it is a catch all condition. Perhaps you can

try doing the into diet starting with winter or spring break and

then continueing on. The nut free thing stinks. Hang in there and

try to tighten up on the illegals. You can use custom probiotics.

Have you looked into the SCD B complex with C & zinc from Freeda.

Lucy's Kitchen has it. Are there any legal hot dogs out there?

Good to know you are having developmental gains even with the

illegals. Think how well he will do when you can become completely

legal. Good luck, Maddie Lafleur

> Help!

>

> My son (21 months) began the SCD about 3 months ago. I confess,

we

> skipped the intro stage because I was afraid he would starve. We

> had just finished a round of antifungal medication (Ketoconozole)

so

> we felt we were starting with a clean slate.

>

> Initially, we were encouraged because for the first time we were

> seeing normal color and consistency stools. We never got to the

> stage of getting these results on a regular basis. We would

usually

> progress from nicely formed, good color stools to soft, then

sloppy

> then back to trophies.

>

> Then at around 2 months into the diet, we couldn't get the

trophies

> back at all and an OAT test revealed that the yeast was back much

> worse than before.

>

> We've just finished another round of Ketoconozole and started

> Nystatin plus we rotate four natural anti-fungals like GSE,

> biociden, Aquaflora.

>

> At this point my son is having the worst stools of his life and I

> feel so discouraged. The last couple days he has produced huge

> quantities of stool (over 1 lb each). His stools have become like

> bread dough and foul smelling and his stomach is very distended.

> I'm always wondering if what we're experiencing is die-off or re-

> colonization. Is it possible to re-colonize yeast while on a drug

> like Ketoconozole?

>

> My son has little red pimple like bumps that have been around for

> many months (some of them 6 months)..sometimes they're visible

other

> time not. When we treat for yeast with drugs, they flare up or

> become itchy and crusty. Bumps that had become completely

invisible

> become red again and new bumps appear. We've taken him to

> dermatologists and allergists and there seems to be no

explanation.

> Even our DAN doctor has never seen this. It seems directly related

> to yeast but I just can't figure it out. Again, I wonder if when

we

> see them flare up, does it mean die-off or re-colonization.

>

> Here are my confessions: We're still using Kirkman's Spectrum

> Complete because I can't find a legal alternative that has the

> combination of supplements we need. We're also using Culturelle

and

> Jarro probiotics...both of which contain inulin (I know...illegal

> but recommended by our DAN doc) We're using organic baby food but

I

> called the company and spoke to the owner who assured me that

there

> were know other ingredients...we spoke at length. We've been

using

> Applegate farms hot dogs (I know, I know...not legal but my son

will

> eat them when he won't eat plain chicken. We have been using

dried

> fruits and dried peas (I didn't know these were a problem).

>

>

> I know we've made some mistakes along the way and I'd like to go

> back to the intro diet and start fresh. Is there a legal chicken

> stock for the intro diet or do we have to make this from scratch?

>

> Just an added note, though my son's still had terrible bowel

> problems, he has had tremedous developmental gains. We have seen

> improvements each of the three times we treated the yeast with

drugs

> Unfortunatley, the yeast keeps coming back worse than before and

the

> diet hasn't helped in that regard though I acknowledge we haven't

> been entirely legal.

>

> a