vitamin K

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My son is 3 1/2 and usually insists on doing his own

wiping after a BM but for some reason he wanted me to

today. When I did, the wipe was pink. He went again

and I made him let me wipe and it was fine. Is there

a problem with giving the vitamin K and how much?

Should I take him to his reg. ped. before his DAN

appt. in Feb? This is far fetched but I don't want us

getting in an accident and him bleeding to death

because he is K deficient. He is the one with dark

circles, good sleep, no obvious signs of allergies.

Thanks for your help.

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[Guest guest]

My son is 3 1/2 and usually insists on doing his own

wiping after a BM but for some reason he wanted me to

today. When I did, the wipe was pink. He went again

and I made him let me wipe and it was fine. Is there

a problem with giving the vitamin K and how much?

Should I take him to his reg. ped. before his DAN

appt. in Feb? This is far fetched but I don't want us

getting in an accident and him bleeding to death

because he is K deficient. He is the one with dark

circles, good sleep, no obvious signs of allergies.

Thanks for your help.

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Is he constipated? Sometimes the blood is from little tears and

irritation. I actually worry more about bright red blood, or black

tarry stools (what blood looks like in the poop after being

digested). The fact that on the re-wipe it was fine, also sounds

more like some irritation than a true bleed.

How much fish oil and vitamin E is your son on? Risk of bleed

really is the main issue, although I'm not even sure how much it is

a true and valid issue - especially at the doses of vit E (< 1500

IU) being used by this group. But if you notice blood again, you

will want to talk to your pediatrician. Next visit, ask your doc to

check stools for blood. We also see blood in stool as a result of

bacterial or viral infections...but typically associated with

diarrhea, or with food allergies...especially to milk, but can occur

with other things as well. -

> My son is 3 1/2 and usually insists on doing his own

> wiping after a BM but for some reason he wanted me to

> today. When I did, the wipe was pink. He went again

> and I made him let me wipe and it was fine. Is there

> a problem with giving the vitamin K and how much?

> Should I take him to his reg. ped. before his DAN

> appt. in Feb? This is far fetched but I don't want us

> getting in an accident and him bleeding to death

> because he is K deficient. He is the one with dark

> circles, good sleep, no obvious signs of allergies.

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Is he constipated? Sometimes the blood is from little tears and

irritation. I actually worry more about bright red blood, or black

tarry stools (what blood looks like in the poop after being

digested). The fact that on the re-wipe it was fine, also sounds

more like some irritation than a true bleed.

How much fish oil and vitamin E is your son on? Risk of bleed

really is the main issue, although I'm not even sure how much it is

a true and valid issue - especially at the doses of vit E (< 1500

IU) being used by this group. But if you notice blood again, you

will want to talk to your pediatrician. Next visit, ask your doc to

check stools for blood. We also see blood in stool as a result of

bacterial or viral infections...but typically associated with

diarrhea, or with food allergies...especially to milk, but can occur

with other things as well. -

> My son is 3 1/2 and usually insists on doing his own

> wiping after a BM but for some reason he wanted me to

> today. When I did, the wipe was pink. He went again

> and I made him let me wipe and it was fine. Is there

> a problem with giving the vitamin K and how much?

> Should I take him to his reg. ped. before his DAN

> appt. in Feb? This is far fetched but I don't want us

> getting in an accident and him bleeding to death

> because he is K deficient. He is the one with dark

> circles, good sleep, no obvious signs of allergies.

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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He is actually down to only 3 ProEFA and 2 EPAs a day

because I didn't feel like I saw a difference with it

for him and some family started saying he looked like

he had dark circles under his eyes. I know many

others are on higher doses but I have only had one out

of three SLPs say he has apraxia and so if he doesn't

have it, I didn't know if he could have an overdose

quicker -- the three weeks he took it at 800 i.u.

I did call my pediatrician and she said that since it

only happened once, it is probably a tear or something

he ate. She said just to watch and wait to add any

supplements until I see the biomed. doctor.

Does it take longer than 3 weeks to see a difference

in speech and if so, how long should I try if the new

doctor says it's okay? He responded REALLY well to

the fish oil a year and a half ago, so I was suprised

there was no change.

Thank you so much for your response.

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[Guest guest]

He is actually down to only 3 ProEFA and 2 EPAs a day

because I didn't feel like I saw a difference with it

for him and some family started saying he looked like

he had dark circles under his eyes. I know many

others are on higher doses but I have only had one out

of three SLPs say he has apraxia and so if he doesn't

have it, I didn't know if he could have an overdose

quicker -- the three weeks he took it at 800 i.u.

I did call my pediatrician and she said that since it

only happened once, it is probably a tear or something

he ate. She said just to watch and wait to add any

supplements until I see the biomed. doctor.

Does it take longer than 3 weeks to see a difference

in speech and if so, how long should I try if the new

doctor says it's okay? He responded REALLY well to

the fish oil a year and a half ago, so I was suprised

there was no change.

Thank you so much for your response.

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[Guest guest]

I am seeing great results with Vit K and high vitamin cod liver oil

with butter oil (Vit A & D). I'm using a fat soluble vitamin protocol

theorized by a very bright Mom -- join the Vitamin K group and check

out files. My son did well with Omegas , but then his progress

stalled, he not do well with vitamin E -- but when I added phoschol,

Vit K, VSL#3, and high vitamin cod liver oil, things started to

progress.

If you think your child has problems with their fatty acid metabolism

or with oxalates -- I would recommend looking into it.

>

> Sorry to muddy the waters y'all but I have a vitamin K question.

Those

> of you who are giving some vitamin K to counteract any Vitamin E side

> effects, how much vitamin K are you giving?

>

> thanks

> Kris

> ___________________________________________________

> Kris Haukoos

> Sonny & Shear

> The I've Got Ewe, Babe Yarn Shop

> www.sonnyandshear.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is very valuable information,can you provide more information on

where to find the " Vitamin K Group " .Cheryl

> >

> > Sorry to muddy the waters y'all but I have a vitamin K question.

> Those

> > of you who are giving some vitamin K to counteract any Vitamin E

side

> > effects, how much vitamin K are you giving?

> >

> > thanks

> > Kris

> > ___________________________________________________

> > Kris Haukoos

> > Sonny & Shear

> > The I've Got Ewe, Babe Yarn Shop

> > www.sonnyandshear.com

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> I know that has said that she gives her son Vitamin K to

counteract the side effects of the Vitamin E.

What are the side effects of Vitamin E?

Nadine

[Guest guest]

VitaminK/

I truly believe we're on to something....

> > >

> > > Sorry to muddy the waters y'all but I have a vitamin K

question.

> > Those

> > > of you who are giving some vitamin K to counteract any Vitamin

E

> side

> > > effects, how much vitamin K are you giving?

> > >

> > > thanks

> > > Kris

> > > ___________________________________________________

> > > Kris Haukoos

> > > Sonny & Shear

> > > The I've Got Ewe, Babe Yarn Shop

> > > www.sonnyandshear.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

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WHere do you find the vitamin k group--all I saw was reference to the

group that researched vit k in 1929-- In

, " mommtlc " <oldworldtile@...>

wrote:

>

> VitaminK/

>

> I truly believe we're on to something....

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Sorry to muddy the waters y'all but I have a vitamin K

> question.

> > > Those

> > > > of you who are giving some vitamin K to counteract any

Vitamin

> E

> > side

> > > > effects, how much vitamin K are you giving?

> > > >

> > > > thanks

> > > > Kris

> > > > ___________________________________________________

> > > > Kris Haukoos

> > > > Sonny & Shear

> > > > The I've Got Ewe, Babe Yarn Shop

> > > > www.sonnyandshear.com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi -

Could you tell me what the vitamin K has to do with the oxalates? My

son has high oxalates. I've been told to use zinc supplements (which

we do). I've also been told to add extra calcium when he is eating

high oxalate foods...haven't really done this yet.

Thanks!

-

> > > >

> > > > Sorry to muddy the waters y'all but I have a vitamin K

> question.

> > > Those

> > > > of you who are giving some vitamin K to counteract any

Vitamin

> E

> > side

> > > > effects, how much vitamin K are you giving?

> > > >

> > > > thanks

> > > > Kris

> > > > ___________________________________________________

> > > > Kris Haukoos

> > > > Sonny & Shear

> > > > The I've Got Ewe, Babe Yarn Shop

> > > > www.sonnyandshear.com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Sorry to muddy the waters y'all but I have a vitamin K

question.

> > Those

> > > of you who are giving some vitamin K to counteract any Vitamin

E

> side

> > > effects, how much vitamin K are you giving?

> > >

> > > thanks

> > > Kris

> > > ___________________________________________________

> > > Kris Haukoos

> > > Sonny & Shear

> > > The I've Got Ewe, Babe Yarn Shop

> > > www.sonnyandshear.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Can you describe the results that you saw?

Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Sorry to muddy the waters y'all but I have a vitamin K

> question.

> > > Those

> > > > of you who are giving some vitamin K to counteract any

Vitamin

> E

> > side

> > > > effects, how much vitamin K are you giving?

> > > >

> > > > thanks

> > > > Kris

> > > > ___________________________________________________

> > > > Kris Haukoos

> > > > Sonny & Shear

> > > > The I've Got Ewe, Babe Yarn Shop

> > > > www.sonnyandshear.com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Here's the paper with the hypothesis explained.

http://www.lymeinducedautism.com/images/VitaminKDeficiencyasaCauseofAu

tisticSymptoms09.16.2006.pdf

High oxalates can be caused by yeast -- which can put make the zinc -

copper balance get whacky. Many kids who have increased copper

levels -- so supplementing with zinc is advised. An easy way to tell

when they've had enough -- they " taste " it -- in something like a

zinc cough drop. Another sure sign of zinc deficiency is if a scrape

of bug bite takes more than a few days to heal. Kids should be

extremely fast healers.

There are two schools of thoughts on calcium and oxalates -- and they

are nearly opposites. One school -- the LOD (low oxalate diet) says

to give calcium citrate with every meal to absorb the oxalates. The

other says that most kids on/just off the spectrum have high calcium

levels that are not being properly balanced by the body. My

son " matched " the latter school of thought - so I have been

supplementing with magnesium (mainly citrate) almost exclusively.

He's had constipation since is DTap shots at 2 months old, so he was

already on magnesium when we started K2. I just added a little

calcium lately. Supplementing with Vitamin K has been helpful for

us.

For my son, he is still taking NN Ultimate Omega and EPAxtra - 2 of

each per day, and Carlson's E Elite (1 per day). We had a naturopath

label of K2 -- but Thorne is recommended and easier to get. I

recently added High Vitamin cod liver oil (green pastures Blue Ice

Gold), so he would be getting a full compliment of fat soluble

vitamins. I really feel the natural vitamin A is helping.

He is still dumping oxalates on occasion, but I am beginnning to

think we're getting to the end of this. He had great language

jumps when we started on the Omegas last summer, but did not handle

Vitamin E will (very emotional). Now by supplimenting all the fat

solubles he's had anothe bump in language -- although still subtle.

I'm not sure, but I think his fine motor skill have improved a bit

too.

BTW -- I don't think he had a problem with oxalates until he was on

Miralax -- for a little over a year. I didn't realize it at the

time -- it is toxic and shouldn't ever be given to kids (IMO).

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry to muddy the waters y'all but I have a vitamin K

> > question.

> > > > Those

> > > > > of you who are giving some vitamin K to counteract any

> Vitamin

> > E

> > > side

> > > > > effects, how much vitamin K are you giving?

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks

> > > > > Kris

> > > > > ___________________________________________________

> > > > > Kris Haukoos

> > > > > Sonny & Shear

> > > > > The I've Got Ewe, Babe Yarn Shop

> > > > > www.sonnyandshear.com

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

hi,

how do i find out if my son has problems with oxalates?

rgds,

-fauziah

[ ] Re: Vitamin K

I am seeing great results with Vit K and high vitamin cod liver oil

with butter oil (Vit A & D). I'm using a fat soluble vitamin protocol

theorized by a very bright Mom -- join the Vitamin K group and check

out files. My son did well with Omegas , but then his progress

stalled, he not do well with vitamin E -- but when I added phoschol,

Vit K, VSL#3, and high vitamin cod liver oil, things started to

progress.

If you think your child has problems with their fatty acid metabolism

or with oxalates -- I would recommend looking into it.

>

> Sorry to muddy the waters y'all but I have a vitamin K question.

Those

> of you who are giving some vitamin K to counteract any Vitamin E side

> effects, how much vitamin K are you giving?

>

> thanks

> Kris

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ___

> Kris Haukoos

> Sonny & Shear

> The I've Got Ewe, Babe Yarn Shop

> www.sonnyandshear. com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

These symptoms all seem to be high oxalate related:

Sandy stools (black specs)

Cloudy urine

Frequent UTIs (that when you go back and look at the labs -- didn't

really have enough bacteria count to be a UTI)

Painful urination.

Calcium oxalates are HUGE crystals for the body to process -- so they

hurt. The first group to suggest a low oxalate diet was the vulvar

pain group. There is a group called Trying Low Oxalates. I

did not find the diet to be successful -- and it was so contrary to

what I knew worked for my son -- leafy vegetables, etc. I did find

out some valuable information, though. For example -- using lemon

juice to increase the PH (making the body more alkaline)

High oxalate levels are related to kidney stones too (the cloudy

urine is really tiny stones)

In my son's case the high oxalates were caused by miralax -- which I

have now found out is terrible stuff. Getting them out is a long

slow process.

Here's more info http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/oxalates/oxal-

test.pdf

> >

> > Sorry to muddy the waters y'all but I have a vitamin K question.

> Those

> > of you who are giving some vitamin K to counteract any Vitamin E

side

> > effects, how much vitamin K are you giving?

> >

> > thanks

> > Kris

> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ___

> > Kris Haukoos

> > Sonny & Shear

> > The I've Got Ewe, Babe Yarn Shop

> > www.sonnyandshear. com

> >

> >

> >

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A comibination of Serrapeptase (3-5 grams a day) and Nattokinase (1-2

grma a day) will take care of the platelet aggregation and the extra

fibrin respectively.

Gingko biloba is a great blood thinner and should be taken in

moderation but the above enzymes are proteolitic (dissolve clots)

Others like bromelain but I prefer these two.

Good luck

>

> Last Friday I was admitted into the hospital for 3 days for blood

> clots in my lungs. They thought at first it was a heart attack. The

> medicine they put me on is coumadin (sp). I know the story about it

> being rat poisen, but when your chest aches as well as the back of

> you leg and you know it is because of a clot which could break off

at

> any given moment and get lodged anywhere in your body, well rat

> poisen looked pretty good. I actually prefer to think that rats

take

> coumadin.)

>

> In simple terms, the coumadin thins your blood, and Vit. K

> coagulates your blood. Green leafy vegatables are loaded with vit.

K

> which counteracts the Coumadin. You either have to have zero vit. K

> (no green leafy veggies and other fruit) or have the same light

> amount every day so your blood doesn't fluxuate.I have taken green

> drink with all the highest producing vit. K as it turns out, for

> months. it has kept my IBS at bay since it also contains enzymes

and

> a bunch of other good stuf.

> MY QUESTION TO ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN THRU SUCH AN ORDEAL IS DO YOU

HAVE

> ANY ADVICE ON THIS SUBJECT OR ANY NATURAL WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THE

SAME

> THING THE CUMADIM IS. OF COURSE I WOULDN'T TRY IT UNTIL I STABLIZE

> AND THE PAIN IN MY CHEST AND LEG GO AWAY FIRST and I talk to my

Dr..

> THERE IS A TIME AND PLACE FOR THE MEDICAL FIELD AND BLOOD CLOTS IN

> THE LUNGS ARE THAT TIME. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND CONCERN IN

ADVANCE

> FOR ANY ADVICE. CHERYL ANNE

>

[Guest guest]

Aren't garlic and blueberries blood thinners?

cunsrialfrank <Cuns-Rial@...> wrote: A comibination of Serrapeptase

(3-5 grams a day) and Nattokinase (1-2

grma a day) will take care of the platelet aggregation and the extra

fibrin respectively.

Gingko biloba is a great blood thinner and should be taken in

moderation but the above enzymes are proteolitic (dissolve clots)

Others like bromelain but I prefer these two.

Good luck

>

> Last Friday I was admitted into the hospital for 3 days for blood

> clots in my lungs. They thought at first it was a heart attack. The

> medicine they put me on is coumadin (sp). I know the story about it

> being rat poisen, but when your chest aches as well as the back of

> you leg and you know it is because of a clot which could break off

at

> any given moment and get lodged anywhere in your body, well rat

> poisen looked pretty good. I actually prefer to think that rats

take

> coumadin.)

>

> In simple terms, the coumadin thins your blood, and Vit. K

> coagulates your blood. Green leafy vegatables are loaded with vit.

K

> which counteracts the Coumadin. You either have to have zero vit. K

> (no green leafy veggies and other fruit) or have the same light

> amount every day so your blood doesn't fluxuate.I have taken green

> drink with all the highest producing vit. K as it turns out, for

> months. it has kept my IBS at bay since it also contains enzymes

and

> a bunch of other good stuf.

> MY QUESTION TO ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN THRU SUCH AN ORDEAL IS DO YOU

HAVE

> ANY ADVICE ON THIS SUBJECT OR ANY NATURAL WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THE

SAME

> THING THE CUMADIM IS. OF COURSE I WOULDN'T TRY IT UNTIL I STABLIZE

> AND THE PAIN IN MY CHEST AND LEG GO AWAY FIRST and I talk to my

Dr..

> THERE IS A TIME AND PLACE FOR THE MEDICAL FIELD AND BLOOD CLOTS IN

> THE LUNGS ARE THAT TIME. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND CONCERN IN

ADVANCE

> FOR ANY ADVICE. CHERYL ANNE

>

[Guest guest]

If you get vitamin k2 is pretty safe because it has a short term life and is

natural produced by bacteria in our guts. K1 and synthetic k is a different

story.

I give my DD Thorne research vitamin k2, 1000mcg a day plus whatever she

gets form her diet. She is 18months and 23 pounds. Haven't noticed any

problems so far.

We can also read an article they have on their website that was very

informative to me before I agreed to give it to her.HTH

Leo

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi there,

> A doctor recommended giving my son Vitamin K. Is that safe to give

> without checking his blood first to see if he has too much vitamin K to

> begin with? I've never heard of giving V-k before so I thought I'd

> throw it out to you guys to get some real-life experiences.

One son needed vitamin K to prevent nosebleeds caused by fish oil, and

another son to help with proper absorption of calcium.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Green foods contain vitamin K which promotes clotting.

That would be why the doctor said that.

jp

[Guest guest]

has anyone tried this Vitamin K product?

http://tinyurl.com/5jllfg

Carolyn

http://www.geocities.com/sunr00m/home.htm