Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 HI Harry: I agree with you here except for one thing. Those of us with thyroid disease have to be careful what we do take when it comes to vitamins and supplements. Folks with certain thyroid conditions should avoid iodine and some vitamins contain small amounts of iodine. I am hypothyroid and have yet to get a straight answer from anyone on what supplements are safe and what I ought to avoid. LOL! Becky and Cassidy, Pilot Dog, Poodle maddpoodle27@... my stance on vitamins > Some here may recall my outrageously high homocysteine levels in the past. > I am talking here about extremely high ones in the 20's. I started > treating > myself to get these levels down into the safe level around two years ago, > and I was able to get it down in the mid teens up until this past March. > The only thing I did differently for three or four months before I had my > last A1C level and my homocysteine level done was to take a complex > vitamin > B formula containing vitamin C and all of the vitamin B's. Some call it a > stress tablet. Now I understand why it is so important for any diabetic > to > takevitamins, and especially all of the vitamin B's and some C. > Homocysteine is a harmful chemical compound formed by the body when it > does > not have the balance of factors like B12, B6 and folic acid, I believe B9 > in > their body. Homocysteine level is an excellent predictor of heart attack > potential, and mine has always run high to very high. I finally gave up > injecting B12 shots and fooling with those folic acid tablets, and I > decided > to just take a single tablet containing all of the vitamin B's along with > some C. I have a well rounded diet, but apparently this is not enough. > This is why I recommend supplements. If you take supplements, then you > know > for sure you are getting the vitamins you need, and you no longer have to > guess whether or not you have a " well rounded diet " . > The normal homocysteine level is below 11. After three or four months of > taking the B complex tablets I had a homocysteine of 9 for the first time > in the normal range. It finally happened in March, 2006, when I got an > A1C > of 5.4 and a CRP near 4.0. A CRP below 3.0 is desired. People here also > know I am a niacin, vitamin B3, advocate. Every day for the rest of my > life I take at least 1000 mg of Vitamin B3 or niacin. You can count on me > taking it for as long as I live along with a daily tablet of vitamin B > complex with C. In my opinion any diabetic, heart attack victim, stroke > victim, heart bypass surgery victim or candidate or stint implant patient > should take these vitamins every day for the rest of their life in known > quantities, not in a guessed at well rounded diet. In fact if a person > wishes to avoid or prevent a heart attack, stroke, heart bypass surgery, > or > a stint implant needs to be on these vitamins only on the day they wish to > live. It will cost you though about $10 or less per month for the rest of > your life. I think you are worth it. Of course there is one big > drawback. > You may have to pay this amount for an extra ten or twenty years. > This is my advice to you, and it does not bother me at all to offer it. > For > one thing there has never been a recorded death for what I have > recommended. > For another I am law suit proof. You can sue me for every thing I own, > and > you may get 100% of it. Now how much would that be. Let me see 100% of > nothing is... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Becky, What exactly is the name of a vitamin that contains iodine? I searched on it via the internet, but all I get is no named vitamin with iodine in it. I read the warnings about iodine being in vitamins, but then I am led to a site containing iodine amongst the minerals. It appears that they are saying that vitamins and minerals are the same thing. They are not. So far I have looked at the structure of Vitamin A, vigamin B's and vigtamin C and have not discerned any iodine in their composition. So please tell me this vitamin that contains iodine. my stance on vitamins > > >> Some here may recall my outrageously high homocysteine levels in the >> past. >> I am talking here about extremely high ones in the 20's. I started >> treating >> myself to get these levels down into the safe level around two years ago, >> and I was able to get it down in the mid teens up until this past March. >> The only thing I did differently for three or four months before I had my >> last A1C level and my homocysteine level done was to take a complex >> vitamin >> B formula containing vitamin C and all of the vitamin B's. Some call it >> a >> stress tablet. Now I understand why it is so important for any diabetic >> to >> takevitamins, and especially all of the vitamin B's and some C. >> Homocysteine is a harmful chemical compound formed by the body when it >> does >> not have the balance of factors like B12, B6 and folic acid, I believe B9 >> in >> their body. Homocysteine level is an excellent predictor of heart attack >> potential, and mine has always run high to very high. I finally gave up >> injecting B12 shots and fooling with those folic acid tablets, and I >> decided >> to just take a single tablet containing all of the vitamin B's along with >> some C. I have a well rounded diet, but apparently this is not enough. >> This is why I recommend supplements. If you take supplements, then you >> know >> for sure you are getting the vitamins you need, and you no longer have to >> guess whether or not you have a " well rounded diet " . >> The normal homocysteine level is below 11. After three or four months >> of >> taking the B complex tablets I had a homocysteine of 9 for the first >> time >> in the normal range. It finally happened in March, 2006, when I got an >> A1C >> of 5.4 and a CRP near 4.0. A CRP below 3.0 is desired. People here also >> know I am a niacin, vitamin B3, advocate. Every day for the rest of my >> life I take at least 1000 mg of Vitamin B3 or niacin. You can count on >> me >> taking it for as long as I live along with a daily tablet of vitamin B >> complex with C. In my opinion any diabetic, heart attack victim, stroke >> victim, heart bypass surgery victim or candidate or stint implant patient >> should take these vitamins every day for the rest of their life in known >> quantities, not in a guessed at well rounded diet. In fact if a person >> wishes to avoid or prevent a heart attack, stroke, heart bypass surgery, >> or >> a stint implant needs to be on these vitamins only on the day they wish >> to >> live. It will cost you though about $10 or less per month for the rest >> of >> your life. I think you are worth it. Of course there is one big >> drawback. >> You may have to pay this amount for an extra ten or twenty years. >> This is my advice to you, and it does not bother me at all to offer it. >> For >> one thing there has never been a recorded death for what I have >> recommended. >> For another I am law suit proof. You can sue me for every thing I own, >> and >> you may get 100% of it. Now how much would that be. Let me see 100% of >> nothing is... >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Becky, I have concluded there are no iodine in the composition of vitamin A, vitamin B's and vitamin C. If you purchase the pure forms of these vitamins you need not fear consuming any iodine. The fat soluable vitamins include vitamin A, D, E and, K. All the water soluable vitamins not needed by the body are excreted in the urin, provided they are not needed. If the body needs a water soluable vitamin, it will not get it unless it is supplied in your food or vitamin supplement. This is the beauty of Vitamins like Vitamin C, and all of the B's, since they are water soluable, that is all of them are water soluable. This is why the pharmacist and doctors like to tell you that you are just wasting your money, since it, use of supplements, just creates expensive urine. They never tell you about the build up of homocysteine in your blood stream as a result of some vitamin B deficiencies. They never tell you that the build up of this homocysteine is a threat to your very existence and homocysteine is a prime predictor of heart attacks. They always just say eat a well rounded diet, but never tell you what a well rounded diet is composed of. I have had three heart attacks. Just imagine the cost of several days in the intensive care unit of any hospital for a single heart attack. It runs into thousands of dollars. ly, I would rather piss away a few pennies a day, rather than paying for an expensive hospital stay. If you are to avoid all iodine consumption there are a few foods you need to avoid like raw cabbage, iodized salt and never go swimming in the ocean, since the skin will absorbe iodine from salt water. Caution!: I did discover that those multi-vitamin and multi-mineral tablets and capsules, that is pills that contain both vitamins and minerals, like the One-A-Day vitamins, Centrum Silver, and some others do contain mineerals, because they contain both vitamins and minerals. If you purchase pure vitamin supplements, not containing minerals, then you need not worry about consuming any iodine. my stance on vitamins > > >> Some here may recall my outrageously high homocysteine levels in the >> past. >> I am talking here about extremely high ones in the 20's. I started >> treating >> myself to get these levels down into the safe level around two years ago, >> and I was able to get it down in the mid teens up until this past March. >> The only thing I did differently for three or four months before I had my >> last A1C level and my homocysteine level done was to take a complex >> vitamin >> B formula containing vitamin C and all of the vitamin B's. Some call it >> a >> stress tablet. Now I understand why it is so important for any diabetic >> to >> takevitamins, and especially all of the vitamin B's and some C. >> Homocysteine is a harmful chemical compound formed by the body when it >> does >> not have the balance of factors like B12, B6 and folic acid, I believe B9 >> in >> their body. Homocysteine level is an excellent predictor of heart attack >> potential, and mine has always run high to very high. I finally gave up >> injecting B12 shots and fooling with those folic acid tablets, and I >> decided >> to just take a single tablet containing all of the vitamin B's along with >> some C. I have a well rounded diet, but apparently this is not enough. >> This is why I recommend supplements. If you take supplements, then you >> know >> for sure you are getting the vitamins you need, and you no longer have to >> guess whether or not you have a " well rounded diet " . >> The normal homocysteine level is below 11. After three or four months >> of >> taking the B complex tablets I had a homocysteine of 9 for the first >> time >> in the normal range. It finally happened in March, 2006, when I got an >> A1C >> of 5.4 and a CRP near 4.0. A CRP below 3.0 is desired. People here also >> know I am a niacin, vitamin B3, advocate. Every day for the rest of my >> life I take at least 1000 mg of Vitamin B3 or niacin. You can count on >> me >> taking it for as long as I live along with a daily tablet of vitamin B >> complex with C. In my opinion any diabetic, heart attack victim, stroke >> victim, heart bypass surgery victim or candidate or stint implant patient >> should take these vitamins every day for the rest of their life in known >> quantities, not in a guessed at well rounded diet. In fact if a person >> wishes to avoid or prevent a heart attack, stroke, heart bypass surgery, >> or >> a stint implant needs to be on these vitamins only on the day they wish >> to >> live. It will cost you though about $10 or less per month for the rest >> of >> your life. I think you are worth it. Of course there is one big >> drawback. >> You may have to pay this amount for an extra ten or twenty years. >> This is my advice to you, and it does not bother me at all to offer it. >> For >> one thing there has never been a recorded death for what I have >> recommended. >> For another I am law suit proof. You can sue me for every thing I own, >> and >> you may get 100% of it. Now how much would that be. Let me see 100% of >> nothing is... >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Hi Harry: I'll have to ask my aunt what she is taking and get back to you. The vitamins that she takes do have a trace of iodine in them, a no no for folks with thyroid disease. Becky and Cassidy, Pilot Dog, Poodle maddpoodle27@... my stance on vitamins >> >> >>> Some here may recall my outrageously high homocysteine levels in the >>> past. >>> I am talking here about extremely high ones in the 20's. I started >>> treating >>> myself to get these levels down into the safe level around two years >>> ago, >>> and I was able to get it down in the mid teens up until this past March. >>> The only thing I did differently for three or four months before I had >>> my >>> last A1C level and my homocysteine level done was to take a complex >>> vitamin >>> B formula containing vitamin C and all of the vitamin B's. Some call it >>> a >>> stress tablet. Now I understand why it is so important for any diabetic >>> to >>> takevitamins, and especially all of the vitamin B's and some C. >>> Homocysteine is a harmful chemical compound formed by the body when it >>> does >>> not have the balance of factors like B12, B6 and folic acid, I believe >>> B9 >>> in >>> their body. Homocysteine level is an excellent predictor of heart >>> attack >>> potential, and mine has always run high to very high. I finally gave up >>> injecting B12 shots and fooling with those folic acid tablets, and I >>> decided >>> to just take a single tablet containing all of the vitamin B's along >>> with >>> some C. I have a well rounded diet, but apparently this is not enough. >>> This is why I recommend supplements. If you take supplements, then you >>> know >>> for sure you are getting the vitamins you need, and you no longer have >>> to >>> guess whether or not you have a " well rounded diet " . >>> The normal homocysteine level is below 11. After three or four months >>> of >>> taking the B complex tablets I had a homocysteine of 9 for the first >>> time >>> in the normal range. It finally happened in March, 2006, when I got an >>> A1C >>> of 5.4 and a CRP near 4.0. A CRP below 3.0 is desired. People here >>> also >>> know I am a niacin, vitamin B3, advocate. Every day for the rest of my >>> life I take at least 1000 mg of Vitamin B3 or niacin. You can count on >>> me >>> taking it for as long as I live along with a daily tablet of vitamin B >>> complex with C. In my opinion any diabetic, heart attack victim, stroke >>> victim, heart bypass surgery victim or candidate or stint implant >>> patient >>> should take these vitamins every day for the rest of their life in known >>> quantities, not in a guessed at well rounded diet. In fact if a person >>> wishes to avoid or prevent a heart attack, stroke, heart bypass surgery, >>> or >>> a stint implant needs to be on these vitamins only on the day they wish >>> to >>> live. It will cost you though about $10 or less per month for the rest >>> of >>> your life. I think you are worth it. Of course there is one big >>> drawback. >>> You may have to pay this amount for an extra ten or twenty years. >>> This is my advice to you, and it does not bother me at all to offer it. >>> For >>> one thing there has never been a recorded death for what I have >>> recommended. >>> For another I am law suit proof. You can sue me for every thing I own, >>> and >>> you may get 100% of it. Now how much would that be. Let me see 100% of >>> nothing is... >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 HI Harry: I was talking about the vitamins that do contain minerals along with the vitamins. I forbid the use of iodized salt in this house and don't eat enough raw cabbage to worry about that. I would prefer to take a vitamin with minerals in it as well, but will certainly take your recommendation under advisement where pure vitamins are concerned. I agree that you have a valid point, especially when it comes to spending time and money in Intensive Care. ly, I've come to the conclusion since my diagnosis back in December that no two professionals are going to tell you the same thing and I happen to think that this group knows more about Diabetes and what is al right and not all right to eat and to do than the professionals that I've seen so far. So why am I spending money every three months? Well, the Avandia is working better and I am able to test my sugar regularly so I guess the money is worth it. But when it comes to getting good, solid advice you all have my nurse practitioner beat hands down. Becky and Cassidy, Pilot Dog, Poodle maddpoodle27@... my stance on vitamins >> >> >>> Some here may recall my outrageously high homocysteine levels in the >>> past. >>> I am talking here about extremely high ones in the 20's. I started >>> treating >>> myself to get these levels down into the safe level around two years >>> ago, >>> and I was able to get it down in the mid teens up until this past March. >>> The only thing I did differently for three or four months before I had >>> my >>> last A1C level and my homocysteine level done was to take a complex >>> vitamin >>> B formula containing vitamin C and all of the vitamin B's. Some call it >>> a >>> stress tablet. Now I understand why it is so important for any diabetic >>> to >>> takevitamins, and especially all of the vitamin B's and some C. >>> Homocysteine is a harmful chemical compound formed by the body when it >>> does >>> not have the balance of factors like B12, B6 and folic acid, I believe >>> B9 >>> in >>> their body. Homocysteine level is an excellent predictor of heart >>> attack >>> potential, and mine has always run high to very high. I finally gave up >>> injecting B12 shots and fooling with those folic acid tablets, and I >>> decided >>> to just take a single tablet containing all of the vitamin B's along >>> with >>> some C. I have a well rounded diet, but apparently this is not enough. >>> This is why I recommend supplements. If you take supplements, then you >>> know >>> for sure you are getting the vitamins you need, and you no longer have >>> to >>> guess whether or not you have a " well rounded diet " . >>> The normal homocysteine level is below 11. After three or four months >>> of >>> taking the B complex tablets I had a homocysteine of 9 for the first >>> time >>> in the normal range. It finally happened in March, 2006, when I got an >>> A1C >>> of 5.4 and a CRP near 4.0. A CRP below 3.0 is desired. People here >>> also >>> know I am a niacin, vitamin B3, advocate. Every day for the rest of my >>> life I take at least 1000 mg of Vitamin B3 or niacin. You can count on >>> me >>> taking it for as long as I live along with a daily tablet of vitamin B >>> complex with C. In my opinion any diabetic, heart attack victim, stroke >>> victim, heart bypass surgery victim or candidate or stint implant >>> patient >>> should take these vitamins every day for the rest of their life in known >>> quantities, not in a guessed at well rounded diet. In fact if a person >>> wishes to avoid or prevent a heart attack, stroke, heart bypass surgery, >>> or >>> a stint implant needs to be on these vitamins only on the day they wish >>> to >>> live. It will cost you though about $10 or less per month for the rest >>> of >>> your life. I think you are worth it. Of course there is one big >>> drawback. >>> You may have to pay this amount for an extra ten or twenty years. >>> This is my advice to you, and it does not bother me at all to offer it. >>> For >>> one thing there has never been a recorded death for what I have >>> recommended. >>> For another I am law suit proof. You can sue me for every thing I own, >>> and >>> you may get 100% of it. Now how much would that be. Let me see 100% of >>> nothing is... >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 I agree with you on the supplements. I listened to a radio program yesterday and learnt there with interest of an experiment conducted by someone in the UK in which he took a bag of oranges and the most vitamin C he chould find in the oranges for instance, was 116 in one orange. Further research showed that due to the conditions under which the fruit may have been grown, there were a number of the oranges which did not have vitamin C at all. The object lesson to be gained from all of this is that you do not have any guarantee that the food you buy from the shops has the nutriants in it. Therefore you have to supploment the diet with suppliments. Park " History will be kind to me for I intend to write it. " Sir Winston Churchill. MSN ID: pageforpage@... Skype ID: krapleachim my stance on vitamins Some here may recall my outrageously high homocysteine levels in the past. I am talking here about extremely high ones in the 20's. I started treating myself to get these levels down into the safe level around two years ago, and I was able to get it down in the mid teens up until this past March. The only thing I did differently for three or four months before I had my last A1C level and my homocysteine level done was to take a complex vitamin B formula containing vitamin C and all of the vitamin B's. Some call it a stress tablet. Now I understand why it is so important for any diabetic to takevitamins, and especially all of the vitamin B's and some C. Homocysteine is a harmful chemical compound formed by the body when it does not have the balance of factors like B12, B6 and folic acid, I believe B9 in their body. Homocysteine level is an excellent predictor of heart attack potential, and mine has always run high to very high. I finally gave up injecting B12 shots and fooling with those folic acid tablets, and I decided to just take a single tablet containing all of the vitamin B's along with some C. I have a well rounded diet, but apparently this is not enough. This is why I recommend supplements. If you take supplements, then you know for sure you are getting the vitamins you need, and you no longer have to guess whether or not you have a " well rounded diet " . The normal homocysteine level is below 11. After three or four months of taking the B complex tablets I had a homocysteine of 9 for the first time in the normal range. It finally happened in March, 2006, when I got an A1C of 5.4 and a CRP near 4.0. A CRP below 3.0 is desired. People here also know I am a niacin, vitamin B3, advocate. Every day for the rest of my life I take at least 1000 mg of Vitamin B3 or niacin. You can count on me taking it for as long as I live along with a daily tablet of vitamin B complex with C. In my opinion any diabetic, heart attack victim, stroke victim, heart bypass surgery victim or candidate or stint implant patient should take these vitamins every day for the rest of their life in known quantities, not in a guessed at well rounded diet. In fact if a person wishes to avoid or prevent a heart attack, stroke, heart bypass surgery, or a stint implant needs to be on these vitamins only on the day they wish to live. It will cost you though about $10 or less per month for the rest of your life. I think you are worth it. Of course there is one big drawback. You may have to pay this amount for an extra ten or twenty years. This is my advice to you, and it does not bother me at all to offer it. For one thing there has never been a recorded death for what I have recommended. For another I am law suit proof. You can sue me for every thing I own, and you may get 100% of it. Now how much would that be. Let me see 100% of nothing is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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