Kefir

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Aggie,

I've never tried it but I've heard that you should mix it in a blender to make a

fruit smoothie to make it palatable. Add a little honey to defect the sour

taste... This is what I have read but you are in the kitchen ahead of me so try

a few options and let us know!

Janice

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It seems to be the flavor of the week/month! My friend and I are trying

it....we try pretty much everything.

She started last week. Her son has clostridia and is hoping that it will help.

So far she has seen some improvement in cognitive thinking. " Let's go to school

Mathew " ... " Mom it's CAMP not school! " Stuff like that. Clearer thinking.

I made my batch last night so it won't be ready until tomorrow. Can't wait to

try it.

Tanja

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Ok Janice...here goes. Unfortunately Cole won't drink a smoothie but we will.

Kefir is milk Janice...are you thinking of trying it???? Aggie

[sPAM] [ ] RE:Keifer

It seems to be the flavor of the week/month! My friend and I are trying

it....we try pretty much everything.

She started last week. Her son has clostridia and is hoping that it will help.

So far she has seen some improvement in cognitive thinking. " Let's go to school

Mathew " ... " Mom it's CAMP not school! " Stuff like that. Clearer thinking.

I made my batch last night so it won't be ready until tomorrow. Can't wait to

try it.

Tanja

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thinking of giving kefir a 'test' try to see what happens....

also thinking of giving raw goats yogurt a try too...

Mark is away with his dad right now (I shudder to think what he is eating) but

when he is home and all mine again.... I'm getting that GUT healed if its the

last thing I do! So.... I will try both of those things since I have heard/read

the nutritional gut flora in them is absolutely unbeatable for the children.

It's really tough to get in a pill what nature does naturally and while there

are a couple of good probiotics out there; there really are not many and I

suspect that whole foods do a faster job. I know that supplements are a 'second

best' choice if we can find a real food that the child can tolerate.

I'm wondering if perhaps Mark takes an enzyme with 'one of the above' if it's

okay... or will it counteract the effects of the flora that I'm trying to get

into him?

Janice

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Ok Janice...here goes. Unfortunately Cole won't drink a smoothie but we will.

Kefir is milk Janice...are you thinking of trying it???? Aggie

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Jill,You can get lots of information about Kefir by doing a search for "Dom's Kefir" . . . More than I could tell you in a month of typing.The most beneficial Kefir is home made.I'd bet Dede can give you a starter.Hugs,Rogene Re: Kefir

I can't find Kefir....what stores carry it?

Jill

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Hi ,

I have never heated milk before making kefir. As far as I know, only the milk for yogurt needs to be heated, and only to about 120 degrees Fahrenheit.

Peace,

On 2/25/08 8:52 AM, " Gray " <leslie.gray@...> wrote:

Do any of you recommend heating the raw milk when making the

yogurt or kefir?

Thanks so much!

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I heat milk for yogurt to 115, but never heat for kefir at all.MOn Feb 25, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Gray wrote:All of these posts are very helpful, but they are creating more questions for me.Regarding kefir:I have made raw milk (cow) for several years. I have used the milk kefir grains and the body ecology powder. However, I usually do not heat my milk because the milk is raw and I don't want to destroy enzymes and good bacteria. In GAPS book, in the homemade yogurt section, she recommends heating the milk to destroy competing bacteria. Do any of you recommend heating the raw milk when making the yogurt or kefir?Thanks so much!

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jo,

If you don't know someone locally with water kefir grains, you can

google it, there are lots of people who sell over the net.

As far as kefir being OK if you have Candida, it depends who you ask.

The Dr. Crook (yeast connection) people would say no, as they don't

allow anything with yeast in their diet. GAPS would say yes, once your

gut is healed enough to tolerate it. And, you have to make sure you

culture it long enough that the lactose is all consumed in the

fermentation.

jo wrote:

Is kefir okay if you have yeast? Where can I get water kefir

grains?

Thanks

jo

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Yes, kefir is fine when you have candida, as it eats up any sugar in fermentation.  Water kefir grains are the same as any other kefir grains, they have just been cleaned  of casein residue through several changes of water.MaureenOn Mar 11, 2008, at 7:41 AM, jo wrote:Is kefir okay if you have yeast? Where can I get water kefir grains?Thanksjo

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I hadn't looked at Dom's website in probably 5 years, so it was fun to visit it again.  He has more information and ideas now than he did before, but it has always been interesting.We aren't going to bother with finding water kefir grains, but will just keep using our dairy grains for everything we do. Think it's time to go change my solution right now...MaureenHi,My name is Millie and I am new to this group. I am recovering a high functioning autistic boy, 11 yo. I have been doing BED for about one year and it is going very well. I have also been making dairy kefir for almost two years since I learned about dairy grains before I learned about SCD and BED. I have been on several fermenting groups for a while now learning a lot about all these cultures. is right that the two grains are different and their bacterial/yeast profiles are different. From all I have read and discussed, the dairy grains seem to be the most excellent with over 35 different strains of yeast and bacteria. I ferment all sorts of things now including water, milk, YCK, ginger beer plant, kombucha and vegetables, but for my son, I still use mainly the dairy kefir. Dom's websites are a wealth of knowledge: http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/Makekefir.html This one discusses dairy and water grains. Also the kefir group Kefir_making/ shares both kinds of grains and Basirah the moderator sells Dom's grains in the US. I share almost every week, so if you are interested in obtaining either type of grain, you can post on that group or they are also for sale at gemculture.com (where I first bought mine) and happyherbalist.com and assorted other places as someone else mentioned.Hope this helps and looking forward to learning from all of you,Millie

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I have been trying to make kefir lately with goat milk and it

separates pretty quickly and I don't get to it in time so the last

three times I feel like i have been drinking goat whey and goat cheese

shaken, not stirred, and the last time I had sort of a stomach ache

and then gas. Can it be bad for you, or hard on the digestive system,

to let it separate too much?

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<<the last time I had sort of a stomach ache and then gas. Can it be bad

for you, or hard on the digestive system, to let it separate too much?>>

I mess around a lot with cheeseS, yoghurts, buttermilk etc, and IMO, you

are just having a case of 21st century sensibilities.

These naturally fermented things are not 100pc accurate like the

commercial products. I have no doubt that the traditional product was

pretty varied! I'm sure they jolly well drank it anyway with no ill

effects.

I know that I do - if its really a terrible taste, I just add some herbs

and fresh crushed garlic and drip it through a cloth for soft cheese.

Its just not very aesthetic to drink if its starting to separate!

I'm very grateful for your email - I am very good at cow milk products,

but have had little success with goat milk - I specifically want to make

goat yoghurt to make soft cheese - perhaps I will try the " kefir route "

with more success!

regards from edella

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Thanks, that was cute. Too bad I didn't get this response in time b/c

I just dumped it in the trash. I swear it was like drinking rotten

milk but goat products are pungent to begin with.

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> <<the last time I had sort of a stomach ache and then gas. Can it be bad

> for you, or hard on the digestive system, to let it separate too much?>>

>

> I mess around a lot with cheeseS, yoghurts, buttermilk etc, and IMO, you

> are just having a case of 21st century sensibilities.

>

> These naturally fermented things are not 100pc accurate like the

> commercial products. I have no doubt that the traditional product was

> pretty varied! I'm sure they jolly well drank it anyway with no ill

> effects.

>

> I know that I do - if its really a terrible taste, I just add some herbs

> and fresh crushed garlic and drip it through a cloth for soft cheese.

> Its just not very aesthetic to drink if its starting to separate!

>

> I'm very grateful for your email - I am very good at cow milk products,

> but have had little success with goat milk - I specifically want to make

> goat yoghurt to make soft cheese - perhaps I will try the " kefir route "

> with more success!

>

> regards from edella

>

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I find that yoghurt and kefir last practically indefinitely. As long as it smells good (normal) and doesn't have mold growing on it, I would use it.Leah [ ] kefir

How long does kefir last in the fridge after you make it. I've had some in the fridge for over 2 weeks and it smells yeasty....is this still okay to use? I was going to make a fresh batch today, but wanted to use up the little bit I have left.

Kandee