Guest guest Posted May 13, 2001 Report Share Posted May 13, 2001 >>>>> Rod, sounds like you have the secret on how to get rid of heavy metals. What is the Vega test and can it only be done on a vega machine? Where is this one machine? Do you know of other tests for heavy metals? Thanks, Ben>>>>>>>> The VEGA machine is a computerized synchrometer as per Hulda . It is German technology and found thoughout NorthAmerica, Europe and Australia. The VEGA Select is another Machine that is used for treatment as opposed to Diagnosis. It is suppossed to retrain your cells to vibrate normally and in doing so they dispose of there toxins. I used this for a while but found great and cheap success through pollution avoindance according to the books. No real secret on getting rid of heavy metals. Just knowing when they are gone is the trick. Without testing how would you know when to stop trying to remove them and when to cut back any vitamin, mineral, amio acid or other treatment. There are a few tests for heavy metals. Urine and Fecal tests will tell of the presence and give some levels of heavy metals. MELISA is a lymphocyte test that sees how your white blood cells are effected. The fractionated Porphyrin test checks for ezymes affected by heavy metals. But I find that electronic testing(VEGA, Sychrometer, Interrom etc.) is able to tell to what degree it is affecting you(for the VEGA at least) and where it is located in your body(ie. brain, liver, heart etc. Invaluable info. Using this I know that the mercury is practically gone from my body. I used a regeim of Sulfer compounds and Thioctic Acid, EDTA powder, and Ozonated water to eliminate mercury/metals. My sister so far has only used the Cilantro. Elimination seems to be determined by whether your liver can breakdown the " CHELATED " metals. If not they could potentially be metabolized and redistributed throughout your body. Dr. In " The Cure For All Advanced Cancers seems to have combatted this as she uses the Liver herbs and Kidney cleanse and other things at the same time to eliminate all toxins. I myself followed Week one Of the Cancer program but geared it towards metals mostly. It cleared the mercury in 9 days. Then I was filled with it again after filling removals. Only to finally have it practically gone. Good Luck on Your Toxic Adventure, Rod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 What does the clove oil do? On Jul 13, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Lana Gibbons wrote: > So I now have two temporary fillings with > clove oil in my lower left quadrant. Parashis artpages@... zine: artpagesonline.com portfolio: http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Cilantro is supposed to be good for chelating mercury out of your system. > > Hello all, > > Well, after being out sick from work for a few days from accidentally eating > some butter (I'm CF), and then feeling better: I realized exactly how much > my amalgam fillings were hurting me. So I called around until I found a > dentist familiar with the removal procedures and on the third call I not > only found someone, I also found a practice that had a 9 am appointment > available. So I went. (I've been procrastinating on going to the dentist > for a while, and I did not want to wait till late August.) > > He checked all my teeth and came to the same conclusion I did: The metal had > to come out - all of it. He said the amalgams just get old, and need > replacement. !!! I did some research and it turns out that in the late > 1970s they switched to a higher copper version of the Amalgam which also > happens to leak more mercury! My fillings were placed late 80s, early 90s. > Since the appointment that was cancelled at 9am was originally for a family, > we started work immediately. So I now have two temporary fillings with > clove oil in my lower left quadrant. I can't believe how much more alert > and *happy* I feel! Why did I wait so long? (I go back Monday to do the > lower right quad.) > > So, my question is: What should I be doing nutritionally? > > Thanks! > > -Lana > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Cloves have been used in dentristry for years since they calm inflamation and can sometimes even have anasthetic qualities. I was quite surprised to see clove still used by this dentist. I have to say - I like the effect it has. Almost like Bach's rescue remedy in a way. -Lana On 7/14/06, Parashis <artpages@...> wrote: > > What does the clove oil do? > > On Jul 13, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Lana Gibbons wrote: > > > So I now have two temporary fillings with > > clove oil in my lower left quadrant. > Parashis > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 Madeleine, I did have two cavities redone by my DDS who is NOT a mercury Guru....Do not remember any complications...so just so I understand...if DDS does NOT know the protocol, but does eliminate the old cavities.....Is that still an improvement as I like my DDS in spite of his shortfalls... Jay Re: [ ] Re: Another new member Thank you.....My point is if maintenance is 30-45 minutes of daily therapy...whether it be supplements or rifing/sauna/exercise & I could regain 85%...I would be thrilled & consider a great bargain!! Many folks Coil, feel better ...then stop & then cyst stuff returns...... What do you feel is best way to deal with Mercury & toxins? I use bentonite clay, gallon of water daily, kelp, & sauna, bathes..... Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Dear Jay, I had three amalgams removed by my regular, non-mercury savvy dentist, whom I like... and it overloaded my body with mercury to the point where I was barely functional mentally. He still isn't sure he believes that it was the amalgams that did it, but he doesn't insert amalgams in any of his patients, either. My experience doesn't mean you would be as sensitive to the overload as I was or that your symptoms are easily apparent. You still got a huge dose of mercury that so far your body hasn't given you big clues about. At some point, it may. Best get yourself chelated and remove the mercury now before it causes problems. Removal of the rest of my amalgams was done by an IOAMT dentist and the experience was much different and much, much better. Just my experience and my two cents worth... Jan On Jun 13, 2010, at 7:01 AM, wrote: > Madeleine, > > I did have two cavities redone by my DDS who is NOT a mercury Guru....Do not remember any complications...so just so I understand...if DDS does NOT know the protocol, but does eliminate the old cavities.....Is that still an improvement as I like my DDS in spite of his shortfalls... > Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 About 6 months ago I had 7 fillings replaced and two root canals pulled. I did this all in one sitting. i was in the dental chair for about 7 hours. Dr jernigan said the root canals where a big problem. When the dentist pulled them she said they where full of bacteria. I am 38 yrs old.. Dr jernigan and my biological dentist thought it was best to do it in one sitting. I was sedated so it wasnt to bad. I saw a great dentist. I know of several lymies that went to the dentist i did and everyone had a great experience  Steel h 508.520.6905 c 508.922.0519 The harder you work the luckier you get!  ________________________________ From: Jan Warren <jgwarren@...> Buhner < > Sent: Sun, June 13, 2010 8:53:10 AM Subject: [ ] Re: Mercury removal  Dear Jay, I had three amalgams removed by my regular, non-mercury savvy dentist, whom I like... and it overloaded my body with mercury to the point where I was barely functional mentally. He still isn't sure he believes that it was the amalgams that did it, but he doesn't insert amalgams in any of his patients, either. My experience doesn't mean you would be as sensitive to the overload as I was or that your symptoms are easily apparent. You still got a huge dose of mercury that so far your body hasn't given you big clues about. At some point, it may. Best get yourself chelated and remove the mercury now before it causes problems. Removal of the rest of my amalgams was done by an IOAMT dentist and the experience was much different and much, much better. Just my experience and my two cents worth... Jan On Jun 13, 2010, at 7:01 AM, wrote: > Madeleine, > > I did have two cavities redone by my DDS who is NOT a mercury Guru....Do not remember any complications...so just so I understand...if DDS does NOT know the protocol, but does eliminate the old cavities.....Is that still an improvement as I like my DDS in spite of his shortfalls... > Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Jan, I never had that affect...at least in near-term........So you are saying by having a non-Mercury guy do this I am causing both short-term & long term effects or just short term? Jay [ ] Re: Mercury removal Dear Jay, I had three amalgams removed by my regular, non-mercury savvy dentist, whom I like... and it overloaded my body with mercury to the point where I was barely functional mentally. He still isn't sure he believes that it was the amalgams that did it, but he doesn't insert amalgams in any of his patients, either. My experience doesn't mean you would be as sensitive to the overload as I was or that your symptoms are easily apparent. You still got a huge dose of mercury that so far your body hasn't given you big clues about. At some point, it may. Best get yourself chelated and remove the mercury now before it causes problems. Removal of the rest of my amalgams was done by an IOAMT dentist and the experience was much different and much, much better. Just my experience and my two cents worth... Jan On Jun 13, 2010, at 7:01 AM, wrote: > Madeleine, > > I did have two cavities redone by my DDS who is NOT a mercury Guru....Do not remember any complications...so just so I understand...if DDS does NOT know the protocol, but does eliminate the old cavities.....Is that still an improvement as I like my DDS in spite of his shortfalls... > Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Unfortunately, it's not an improvement. Releasing mercury into your body makes you more vulnerable for Lyme. The protocol involves, among other things, using a dental dam to isolate the tooth, inserting an oxygen source into your nose, and using lots of water. I had to let go of a dentist that I liked because he told me that concern about mercury amalgams is a lot of nonsense. I later found out that my body was loaded with mercury. In some countries mercury amalgams have been outlawed. Madeleine _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jay A. Rovert Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Mercury removal Madeleine, I did have two cavities redone by my DDS who is NOT a mercury Guru....Do not remember any complications...so just so I understand...if DDS does NOT know the protocol, but does eliminate the old cavities.....Is that still an improvement as I like my DDS in spite of his shortfalls... Jay Re: [ ] Re: Another new member Thank you.....My point is if maintenance is 30-45 minutes of daily therapy...whether it be supplements or rifing/sauna/exercise & I could regain 85%...I would be thrilled & consider a great bargain!! Many folks Coil, feel better ...then stop & then cyst stuff returns...... What do you feel is best way to deal with Mercury & toxins? I use bentonite clay, gallon of water daily, kelp, & sauna, bathes..... Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology. Their website is www.iaomt.org. An AOAMT dentist is one who follows the safe protocol for mercury removal. I forgot to mention in my previous message that it is also necessary that within a few hours of the mercury removal you have an intravenous infusion of 30 grams of Vitamin C (that's 30,000 miligrams -- more than could be taken orally without a severe attack of diarrhea). There are alternative health centers that provide this service. Madeleine Re: [ ] Re: Mercury removal What's an IOAMT dentist, please? Thanks. On Jun 13, 2010, at 8:53 AM, Jan Warren wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 About 6 months ago I had 7 fillings replaced and two root canals pulled. I did this all in one sitting. i was in the dental chair for about 7 hours. Dr jernigan said the root canals where a big problem. When the dentist pulled them she said they where full of bacteria. I am 38 yrs old.. Dr jernigan and my biological dentist thought it was best to do it in one sitting. I was sedated so it wasnt to bad. I saw a great dentist. I know of several lymies that went to the dentist i did and everyone had a great experience   Steel h 508.520.6905 c 508.922.0519 The harder you work the luckier you get!  ________________________________ From: Jan Warren <jgwarren@...> Buhner < > Sent: Sun, June 13, 2010 8:53:10 AM Subject: [ ] Re: Mercury removal  Dear Jay, I had three amalgams removed by my regular, non-mercury savvy dentist, whom I like... and it overloaded my body with mercury to the point where I was barely functional mentally. He still isn't sure he believes that it was the amalgams that did it, but he doesn't insert amalgams in any of his patients, either. My experience doesn't mean you would be as sensitive to the overload as I was or that your symptoms are easily apparent. You still got a huge dose of mercury that so far your body hasn't given you big clues about. At some point, it may. Best get yourself chelated and remove the mercury now before it causes problems. Removal of the rest of my amalgams was done by an IOAMT dentist and the experience was much different and much, much better. Just my experience and my two cents worth... Jan On Jun 13, 2010, at 7:01 AM, wrote: > Madeleine, > > I did have two cavities redone by my DDS who is NOT a mercury Guru....Do not remember any complications...so just so I understand...if DDS does NOT know the protocol, but does eliminate the old cavities.....Is that still an improvement as I like my DDS in spite of his shortfalls... > Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Long-term, unfortunately. Mercury doesn't go away, and it's one of the things that makes Lyme difficult to get rid of. It needs to be chelated. But don't use a pharmaceutical chelator, like DMSA. That can make your symptoms worse. Madeleine _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jay A. Rovert Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Mercury removal Jan, I never had that affect...at least in near-term........So you are saying by having a non-Mercury guy do this I am causing both short-term & long term effects or just short term? Jay [ ] Re: Mercury removal Dear Jay, I had three amalgams removed by my regular, non-mercury savvy dentist, whom I like... and it overloaded my body with mercury to the point where I was barely functional mentally. He still isn't sure he believes that it was the amalgams that did it, but he doesn't insert amalgams in any of his patients, either. My experience doesn't mean you would be as sensitive to the overload as I was or that your symptoms are easily apparent. You still got a huge dose of mercury that so far your body hasn't given you big clues about. At some point, it may. Best get yourself chelated and remove the mercury now before it causes problems. Removal of the rest of my amalgams was done by an IOAMT dentist and the experience was much different and much, much better. Just my experience and my two cents worth... Jan On Jun 13, 2010, at 7:01 AM, <mailto: %40> wrote: > Madeleine, > > I did have two cavities redone by my DDS who is NOT a mercury Guru....Do not remember any complications...so just so I understand...if DDS does NOT know the protocol, but does eliminate the old cavities.....Is that still an improvement as I like my DDS in spite of his shortfalls... > Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 , An IOAMT dentist is trained/lisenced by: International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology ... Jay, I don't know. If your body easily detoxes itself, you may not feel any effects. However, if your body is compromised and can't remove the mercury on its own, you could eventually get symptoms or it could make Lyme harder to fight. Symptoms may not be sudden or immediately noticeable. They may blend in with your Lyme symptoms. The problem with mercury is that it is stored in muscle, bones, fat and the brain. It builds up over time, especially if you have amalgams. When you have them removed with a regular dentist who doesn't take precautions, your body gets an instant megadose of mercury that it needs to do something with. If your body can't eliminate it, it stores it. Most people with mercury toxicity don't get one symptom that says, " Mercury overload! " Mercury's symptoms are in every system in your body. This is one list of symptoms: http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/symptoms.html Here is another source: http://www.dentalwellness4u.com/layperson/symptoms.html The dentist most known for his warning of dental/mercury poisoning is Dr. Hall Huggins. He's at: http://www.hugginsappliedhealing.com/ This is off his web page: About Huggins Applied Healing Huggins Applied Healing was founded on the principles of educating those who may be suffering from dental materials and practices that may be connected to a variety of health issues. Many chronic health problems may have been caused by damage from dental fillings, root canals, cavitations, diet, or environmental toxins. Any of these can adversely change your body chemistry. This damage may have pushed your immune system over the edge, leaving you more susceptible to immune diseases. Note the last sentence. I'm one of those sensitive people whose body reacts quickly to stresses. So even though the mercury had been slowly building up in my body over time, the removal of three amalgams unprotected, put me over the top. Most people don't respond that way. The mercury may still be there in your body, or you may have eliminated it. Only a heavy metal test can tell you for sure. Seaweed is great at helping the body eliminate heavy metals. Macrobiotic cookbooks can tell you how to cook it so it is tasty. Some people use dulse (seaweed) seasoning on their food to help. Hope this helps. On Jun 14, 2010, at 7:57 AM, wrote: > Re: Mercury removal > Posted by: " Jay A. Rovert " jay12@... > Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:06 am (PDT) > > > > Jan, > > I never had that affect...at least in near-term........So you are saying by having a non-Mercury guy do this I am causing both short-term & long term effects or just short term? > Jay > [ ] Re: Mercury removal > > Dear Jay, > > I had three amalgams removed by my regular, non-mercury savvy dentist, whom I like... and it overloaded my body with mercury to the point where I was barely functional mentally. He still isn't sure he believes that it was the amalgams that did it, but he doesn't insert amalgams in any of his patients, either. > > My experience doesn't mean you would be as sensitive to the overload as I was or that your symptoms are easily apparent. You still got a huge dose of mercury that so far your body hasn't given you big clues about. At some point, it may. Best get yourself chelated and remove the mercury now before it causes problems. > > Removal of the rest of my amalgams was done by an IOAMT dentist and the experience was much different and much, much better. > > Just my experience and my two cents worth... > > Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 > > I don't know. If your body easily detoxes itself, you may not feel any effects. However, if your body is compromised and can't remove the mercury on its own, you could eventually get symptoms or it could make Lyme harder to fight. Symptoms may not be sudden or immediately noticeable. They may blend in with your Lyme symptoms. I will be testing this out tomorrow by having one of my 'leaking' amalgams removed, and replaced with a ceramic (?) one I have asked my dentist about the mercury issue before, but it seems that in my country (Netherlands) this is not a general concern. Also, wouldn't it be relatively easy to prove that amalgams are the source of these problems with so many people in the west having them? Just check if those with no amalgams are (statistically) healthier ... I know amalgams are one of the suspected causes of auto-immune diseases, but I haven't yet come across a study that proves a link. I will buy some fresh cilantro and use chlorella for the next days, just to be sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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