children's teeth and dental products

[Guest guest]

I need some help and advice for my kid’s teeth.

I’ve got two children whose teeth erupted with cavities. We later found out

that I have celiac disease, and we’re now all gluten and casein free and

dealing with the gut healing and nutritional deficiencies. The two of them

have been GFCF for about 9 months. So, obviously, we’re not drinking raw

milk. They get CLO and a calcium supplement and I’m going to get Thorne’s

K2 when I can. Even though the butter oil is ‘casein-free,’ we reacted to

it in the same way we react to casein, so it’s out for now. We eat a lot of

fresh veggies and pastured meats, and an almost 100% WAP diet. They get

very little sweetener other than fresh fruit.

I’ve been painting iodine on their teeth once a week to kill bacteria,

they’re brushing with glycerin-containing toothpaste that is fluoride-free,

and I scrape their teeth with a dental pick as needed. Their cavities have

been halted for about 6 months but are not reversing at this point.

I’d like to move them to glycerin-free toothpaste, but taste is the main

issue. Does anyone have recommendations for glycerin-free toothpaste that

tastes decent for children?

Also, is there anything else you’d add to their daily routine to help

remineralize the teeth? There’s more I know I can do, but it takes a lot of

work and struggle to get them to accept it if it tastes bad. They’re

currently 2 and 4.

KerryAnn

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10:07 AM

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nak, magnesium?

Desh

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kerryann,

a few things come to mind immediately:

- bone broths (in addition to the K2) - i had the best experience

with ham bone broth. my toddler was asking for it at every meal

while we had it around. chicken/turkey is a runner-up. he will not

do beef broth unless it is made less " beefy " by mixing with a veggie

broth. oh yeah - my toddler is still in a " distinct food " stage and

doesn't like sauces or dips so when he gets bone broth, he gets it in

a mug. just straight-up broth.

- sea veggie broth - very yummy if you can also mask it with miso or

mashed beans - again, my toddler loves this.

- what about using just plain xylitol on toothbrushes? it's sweet,

pleasant tasting, no fluoride, antibacterial action and no glycerine.

- probiotics (to help combat bad mouth bacteria)? my toddler loves

scooping the powder out of the bottle and putting it into his mouth

(with some snorting, some swallowing), with a water chaser.

i bet that by increasing some of the key minerals (e.g., zinc) you'll

also change the composition of mouth microbial flora and reduce the

species that contribute to dental caries.

-jennifer

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> a few things come to mind immediately:

> - bone broths

> - what about using just plain xylitol on toothbrushes?

> - probiotics

> i bet that by increasing some of the key minerals (e.g., zinc) you'll

> also change the composition of mouth microbial flora and reduce the

> species that contribute to dental caries.

,

Thank you for the ideas- we do consume bone broths and probiotics and

lactofermented veggies on a daily basis, as well as using xylitol gum. I

hadn't thought about brushing the teeth with xylitol, although it makes

sense as we used spry tooth gel with my son when he was younger.

Does anyone know any food sources of zinc? Our calcium supplement does have

magnesium and the right form of vitamin D in it, but no zinc.

KerryAnn

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[Guest guest]

> Does anyone know any food sources of zinc? Our calcium supplement

> does have

> magnesium and the right form of vitamin D in it, but no zinc.

oysters. In " Superimmunity for Kids " , Galland has a recipe for

oyster stew. I've loaned my copy out otherwise I'd share.

pumpkinseeds (and they have the " right " ratio of zinc:copper) - you

can eat them plain (after soaking and drying of course) or grind them

and add to granola or baked goods, add to salads and just use them in

place of sunflower seeds.

in the archives here somewhere, there is a link to foods and their

zinc:copper ratio. basically, you want to make sure that the Zn:Cu

ratio is as close to 10:1 as possible.

with regard to magnesium, i find that i need more than what is in my

cal/mag/zinc supplement. it must be the demands of motherhood but i

can generally take 2-3 tsps of mag citrate (in addition to said cal/

mag/zinc supplement) and still not have bowel distress. when my

toddler is having a round of constipation, i try to sneak some mag

citrate into him in " tea " though he isn't always amenable to that

offering. i have also read that it can take 6 weeks or more of

magnesium supplementation to fully saturated one's tissues before it

levels off. B6 (more plentiful in chickpeas than in bananas, btw)

can help with magnesium by decreasing the amount of magnesium needed

in supplementation. epsom salt baths were remarkable when i was

initially trying to boost our magnesium levels - more of an effect

than any oral supplement (so perhaps our sulfate pathways were

impaired?).

-jennifer

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KerryAnn,

What Cal/Mag supplement do you take?

> ,

>

> Thank you for the ideas- we do consume bone broths and probiotics and

> lactofermented veggies on a daily basis, as well as using xylitol gum. I

> hadn't thought about brushing the teeth with xylitol, although it makes

> sense as we used spry tooth gel with my son when he was younger.

>

> Does anyone know any food sources of zinc? Our calcium supplement does have

> magnesium and the right form of vitamin D in it, but no zinc.

>

> KerryAnn

> www.cookingNT.com

> http://www.nourishingourfamilies.org/community/ - New Traditional Foods and

> Natural Family Living Forum!

[Guest guest]

It really sounds to me like you are doing all you can, and that it

might even be enough. You say the cavities haven't progressed in 6

months, sounds like the bad bacteria is outta there! I'm saying that

because I DON'T believe the little holes from the cavities can fill

in. Stopping the decay IS success. I've got a hole in my front

tooth where a sloppy dentist nicked it with a drill (yes, he really

did!) and it's never filled in, after 15 years. They can

remineralize and get harder, yes, but they cannot put it where there

is nothing, like in the hole in my tooth.

>

> > a few things come to mind immediately:

> > - bone broths

> > - what about using just plain xylitol on toothbrushes?

> > - probiotics

> > i bet that by increasing some of the key minerals (e.g., zinc)

you'll

> > also change the composition of mouth microbial flora and reduce

the

> > species that contribute to dental caries.

>

> ,

>

> Thank you for the ideas- we do consume bone broths and probiotics

and

> lactofermented veggies on a daily basis, as well as using xylitol

gum. I

> hadn't thought about brushing the teeth with xylitol, although it

makes

> sense as we used spry tooth gel with my son when he was younger.

>

> Does anyone know any food sources of zinc? Our calcium supplement

does have

> magnesium and the right form of vitamin D in it, but no zinc.

>

> KerryAnn

> www.cookingNT.com

> http://www.nourishingourfamilies.org/community/ - New Traditional

Foods and

> Natural Family Living Forum!

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[Guest guest]

> What Cal/Mag supplement do you take?

,

We take Life Time.

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1 & pid=4686 & at=0 is what we use.

Note that their blueberry flavor contains different amounts of the

Cal/Mag/D.

KerryAnn

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11:54 PM

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I have read that mag deficiency during pregnancy can result in weak baby

teeth. Also, just because you ingest a supplement, it doesn't mean you

absorb it all. Sunflower seeds are high in mag. . . . I guess you need

pepitas and sunflower seeds sprinkled in everything now!

Desh

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KerryAnn,

Any reason why you don't use dolomite? The dosage/Tbs. is so low in

the one you take and there are preservatives and sugar added. Just

curious.

On 6/27/07, KerryAnn <krankedyann@...> wrote:

> > What Cal/Mag supplement do you take?

>

> ,

>

> We take Life Time.

> http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1 & pid=4686 & at=0 is what we use.

> Note that their blueberry flavor contains different amounts of the

> Cal/Mag/D.

>

> KerryAnn

> www.cookingNT.com

> http://www.nourishingourfamilies.org/community/

> - New Traditional Foods and Natural Family Living Forum!

[Guest guest]

> Any reason why you don't use dolomite? The dosage/Tbs. is so low in

> the one you take and there are preservatives and sugar added. Just

> curious.

After reading up on dolomite, I'm not convinced it's the best source of

calcium, and have heard others here say the same. Getting my two small

children to take dolomite became a major war at one point. I can put this

calcium supplement into their morning smoothie or give it to them off the

spoon with their CLO without a fight. They consume so little sweetener that

the little bit there doesn't concern me. I'm not thrilled about the

preservatives, but we consume incredibly little containing preservatives

because we can consume few packaged and processed foods due to my food

allergies.

KerryAnn

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