Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 Eunice, you are only human. My diabetes dietician believes that all foods allowed, in moderation. Sweet things occassionally are okay. You should be trained to adjust meds slightly if you know you are eating sweet stuff so that you remain stable. Fenella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 In a message dated 12/19/2002 6:40:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, organiclemon@... writes: > You should be > trained to adjust meds slightly if you know you are eating sweet stuff so > that you remain stable. > Hi Fenella, I eat almost anything I want in moderation, including cookies, cakes, pies, ice cream. I have been off meds for almost two years. My bg's are very seldom higher than 115. My fasting bg's are never over 95. Eunice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 Eunice, that is terrific! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 In a message dated 12/19/2002 7:35:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, jwsand@... writes: > Someone on this > (or maybe another) list suggested that the travel/being out of routine, > etc. > could be the culprit and my sister agreed. > I will agree with your sister. There are things other than food that affect your bg's. Eunice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 Hansen wrote: > Eating right is not always so easy. My wife's diet keeps getting in trouble > with her business meetings with Insurance Clients but there's not much she can > do without offending some of them too. > > I slip up regularly too. <G> Yeah, my sister ( the physician - a shrink) always tells me that getting TOO obsessive about it is harmful as well. I talk to her almost daily and have kept her posted on my BG levels regularly. Over Thanksgiving I was at her house and forgot to test after Thanksgiving dinner (should have been ok because I was very, very good), to which she replied " GOOD! " LOL Her point was that no one is perfect, you gotta do things right, but once in a while it's ok to splurge a little. b -- A mind all logic is like a knife all blade. It makes the hand bleed that uses it. - Rabindranath Tagore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 Hansen wrote: > If say a person mildly diabetic loses 20 or 30 pounds and doesn't need meds > anymore go out and has a big country breakfast <something we love but don't do > often> blood sugar would rise for only a day or so - is that correct. Well, a week or so after my Dx - before any substantial weight loss - I had pizza - 2 slices. Got a pretty big spike - don't remember but it was close to 200 IIRC. The next morning my fasting BG was right back down to the low 100 range and all my pp BG levels were normal or near-normal. So it didn't take me but a couple of hours to " recover " if that's what you mean. However, I recently (I forget if this is the list I posted that question) had a weekend trip - great fun, but a pretty on-the-go nonstop weekend and my fasting BGs were in the 120 range for those 2 mornings - which they have never been before or since. I ate well within my meal plan and pp levels were normal or near-normal - just the fasting was higher. Someone on this (or maybe another) list suggested that the travel/being out of routine, etc. could be the culprit and my sister agreed. Incidentally, I had dinner out both nights - fish (they have wonderful trout in the Smoky Mtns) and salad and veggie instead of baked potato. Weird stuff, isn't it. b > Most of us have that are type 2 or borderline have high blood pressure too, > and I find that when I eat extremely low fat <no meat, etc.> my bp drops a > long way and to a lesser extent - when I don't drink any alcohol <I like > beer>. Many on the bloodpressure forum work really hard like I do and then > splurge once every two weeks or so on anything we want and without feeling > guilty. Several said they would rather take more meds that not do that. I > used to be pretty anxious about my blood pressure but after 20 years of having > it and studying it - i'm going to write an ebook about it - mine is under > good control and I've demonstrated cause and effect several times and it's > completely predictable now. > > I'm not vastly overweight at 200 and 6' and have always lifted weights - which > is supposed to lower insulin resistance for up to 12 hours - I just found an > article on that. -- The sovereign God wants to be loved for Himself and honored for Himself, but that is only part of what He wants. The other part is that He wants us to know that when we have Him we have everything - we have all the rest. ... A. W. Tozer (1897-1963) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 ERWachter@... wrote: > I will agree with your sister. There are things other than food that affect > your bg's She also urged me to avoid stressing out over it - which is certainly NOT going to improve things ... ) b -- It is through dying to concern for self that we are born to new life with God and others; in such dying and rebirth, we find that life is lent to be spent; and in such spending of what we are lent, we find there is an infinite supply. ‹ Glenn Olds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 It's always made me giggle when someone says " mildly diabetic " - to me it's like " a little bit pregnant " - you either are or you aren't! lol - and I don't think anything will determine the length of time that my blood sugar will stay up. I've always been higher in the morning 150-160 - but then I eat my regular breakfast and take my meds, and like yesterday, I hit 76 and got the shakes before noon. I can eat a big " country breakfast " with grits and biscuits and bacon and eggs (YUM) and have the same thing happen. And then again, our physical activity makes a difference. I have a New Year's Resolution, but I'm going to start NOW. And that's to pay more attention to what I eat and EXERCISE!!! At 53 (yesterday was my birthday!! lol) I'm too young to feel the way I do now!! oh yeah - " bg's " always makes me think of the BeeGees - remember them? LOL Funny how our brains associate things differently, isn't it? The EMT's here with the ambulance service call it GBS, which doesn't make a lot of sense either!! LOL Good night all!! Here's to normal blood sugars for all of us!!! LOL Carol in NC Re: My day Hansen wrote: > Eating right is not always so easy. My wife's diet keeps getting in trouble > with her business meetings with Insurance Clients but there's not much she can > do without offending some of them too. > > I slip up regularly too. <G> Yeah, my sister ( the physician - a shrink) always tells me that getting TOO obsessive about it is harmful as well. I talk to her almost daily and have kept her posted on my BG levels regularly. Over Thanksgiving I was at her house and forgot to test after Thanksgiving dinner (should have been ok because I was very, very good), to which she replied " GOOD! " LOL Her point was that no one is perfect, you gotta do things right, but once in a while it's ok to splurge a little. b -- A mind all logic is like a knife all blade. It makes the hand bleed that uses it. - Rabindranath Tagore Diabetes homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetes/ To unsubscribe to this group, send an email to: diabetes-unsubscribe Hope you come back soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 Why don't you ask for a glucose tolerance test, and HbA1c, to see real gluc values? Any high reading needs investigating surely? I thought the Americans were hot on diabetes and early intervention? Seems UK moreso. You may be well controlled type 2, so not need meds, which is great. However still worth seeing what long average is (HbA1c). Fenella In a message dated 20/12/2002 10:12:56 GMT Standard Time, genna@... writes: > Subj:Re: My day > Date:20/12/2002 10:12:56 GMT Standard Time > From:<A HREF= " mailto:genna@... " >genna@...</A> > Reply-to:<A HREF= " mailto:diabetes " >diabetes </A> > To:<A HREF= " mailto:diabetes " >diabetes </A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > My doctor says I'm not diabetic and one or two high readings should not be > a cause for concern -however, she only sees me once in 3 months. A non > fasting reading of 146 and a fasting reading of 116 does cause some > concern. > > Exercise and losing weight is good for anyone and will help, I'm sure. My > wife is lucky so far at 200 pounds - and has normal bg's. She has been > working a lot of overtime lately and by the time she commutes in one hour > and back one hour, it's a pretty long day - however - she's exercising > again and is feeling much better again. > > Thanks for the information. > Hansen > Re: My day > > > Hansen wrote: > > > Eating right is not always so easy. My wife's diet keeps getting > in trouble > > with her business meetings with Insurance Clients but there's not > much she can > > do without offending some of them too. > > > > I slip up regularly too. <G> > > Yeah, my sister ( the physician - a shrink) always tells me that > getting TOO > obsessive about it is harmful as well. I talk to her almost daily and > have > kept her posted on my BG levels regularly. Over Thanksgiving I was at > her > house and forgot to test after Thanksgiving dinner (should have been > ok > because I was very, very good), to which she replied " GOOD! " LOL > > Her point was that no one is perfect, you gotta do things right, but > once in > a while it's ok to splurge a little. > > b > -- > A mind all logic is like a knife all blade. It makes the hand bleed > that > uses it. > - Rabindranath Tagore > > > Diabetes homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetes/ > > To unsubscribe to this group, send an email to: > diabetes-unsubscribe > Hope you come back soon! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 In a message dated 12/20/2002 12:13:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, carolsea@... writes: > It's always made me giggle when someone says " mildly diabetic " - to me it's > like " a little bit pregnant " - you either are or you aren't! I do think some people are " less " diabetic than others. Otherwise, how do we explain the fact that some people can eat more carbs (even without meds) than people that are on meds/insulin? Eunice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 If your pancreas is not releasing insulin, or not enough insulin, the nyou are diabetic. More or less is pointless statement. A bit like saying, it is cold in winter. If your pancreas malfunctions then it malfunctions. Fenella In a message dated 20/12/2002 15:20:23 GMT Standard Time, ERWachter@... writes: > Subj:Re: My day > Date:20/12/2002 15:20:23 GMT Standard Time > From:<A HREF= " mailto:ERWachter@... " >ERWachter@...</A> > Reply-to:<A HREF= " mailto:diabetes " >diabetes </A> > To:<A HREF= " mailto:diabetes " >diabetes </A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > In a message dated 12/20/2002 12:13:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, > carolsea@... writes: > > > It's always made me giggle when someone says " mildly diabetic " - to me > it's > > like " a little bit pregnant " - you either are or you aren't! > > I do think some people are " less " diabetic than others. Otherwise, how do > we > explain the fact that some people can eat more carbs (even without meds) > than > people that are on meds/insulin? > > Eunice > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 In a message dated 12/19/2002 6:07:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, blainn13@... writes: > Weird. I just say " No thanks, I can't do that. " If they ask why, I say > " I'm diabetic, " and then we can go from there. If I'm in that situation I always say " it's not part of my meal plan, but thank you anyway, it looks delicious. " I'll never be able to figure out why people get so offended if you don't eat everything they put in front of you. When I was on dialysis, eating some foods can be a matter of life and death because of the potassium, phosporus, sodium, ect in the foods. And even now I'm very picky about food--if I don't feel like a food has been properly prepared or the conditions aren't clean I won't eat it and risk food poisoning. I was at a party a few months ago and I was offered some chicken that I knew had been out for a few hours without proper heat and I declined to eat it. I just said I had eaten before. Yeah, you can call me a pain in the ass picky eater! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 This ties in with what my PCP said when I was diagnosed. She told me that I was what they used to call a 'borderline' diabetic, but " we don't use that word anymore; either you're diabetic or you're not. " I had read about the 'inevitable consequences' of diabetes--the ulcerated sores, the amputation, the neuopathy, the kidney malfunctions, blindness, etc., and the idea of throwing myself under a train did cross my mind, but only for a moment. I still have my bad days, but through eliminating white bread, white rice (and only a little of the brown), pasta, cereals, potatoes, and sweets--as well as loosing about 50 pounds [i want to loose about 25 more]--I've gotten to where my average readings are around 100. I've trained myself to see 'arsenic' when I read 'starch' and 'strychnine' when I see 'sugar.' Re: My day > In a message dated 12/20/2002 12:13:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, > carolsea@... writes: > > > It's always made me giggle when someone says " mildly diabetic " - to me it's > > like " a little bit pregnant " - you either are or you aren't! > > I do think some people are " less " diabetic than others. Otherwise, how do we > explain the fact that some people can eat more carbs (even without meds) than > people that are on meds/insulin? > > Eunice > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 In a message dated 12/20/2002 4:29:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, brucewilson@... writes: > either you're diabetic or you're not I do have diabetes, I'm not saying I'm borderline, I do say I have a milder case than some people. In fact, I'm having to add more carbs to my meals. Eunice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 Re: My day > I'll never be able to figure out why people get so offended if you don't eat > everything they put in front of you. When there is no medical, religious, or similar reason, it is considered rude to refuse to eat what the host(ess) provides. However, if the host(ess) knows ahead of time that her guest has special dietary needs, it is equally rude for him/her not to provide some alternative which s/he can eat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 Because, as you have said yourself, everyone is different, and this disease affects each of us in a different way. A particular med affects one differently than others. And each person's pancreas acts differently. Our metabolisms are all as individual as our personalities are. And isn't that a wonderful thing? lol Carol in NC Re: My day In a message dated 12/20/2002 12:13:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, carolsea@... writes: > It's always made me giggle when someone says " mildly diabetic " - to me it's > like " a little bit pregnant " - you either are or you aren't! I do think some people are " less " diabetic than others. Otherwise, how do we explain the fact that some people can eat more carbs (even without meds) than people that are on meds/insulin? Eunice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 Precisely! Carol Re: My day If your pancreas is not releasing insulin, or not enough insulin, the nyou are diabetic. More or less is pointless statement. A bit like saying, it is cold in winter. If your pancreas malfunctions then it malfunctions. Fenella In a message dated 20/12/2002 15:20:23 GMT Standard Time, ERWachter@... writes: > Subj:Re: My day > Date:20/12/2002 15:20:23 GMT Standard Time > From:<A HREF= " mailto:ERWachter@... " >ERWachter@...</A> > Reply-to:<A HREF= " mailto:diabetes " >diabetes </A> > To:<A HREF= " mailto:diabetes " >diabetes </A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > In a message dated 12/20/2002 12:13:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, > carolsea@... writes: > > > It's always made me giggle when someone says " mildly diabetic " - to me > it's > > like " a little bit pregnant " - you either are or you aren't! > > I do think some people are " less " diabetic than others. Otherwise, how do > we > explain the fact that some people can eat more carbs (even without meds) > than > people that are on meds/insulin? > > Eunice > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 I also believe that. Every time I see a different doctor or a nutritionist they all say " you have normal numbers " ..I have never not had normal numbers yet..im pre diabetic..Yes I still use pre... sus -----Original Message----- From: ERWachter@... I do think some people are " less " diabetic than others. Otherwise, how do we explain the fact that some people can eat more carbs (even without meds) than people that are on meds/insulin? Eunice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 lol and I (and my doc, whom I saw today) would say you have " impaired fasting glucose " . Same thing as " pre-diabetic " I suppose. Are you on medication yet? If not, that would be the case. <g> Carol RE: My day I also believe that. Every time I see a different doctor or a nutritionist they all say " you have normal numbers " ..I have never not had normal numbers yet..im pre diabetic..Yes I still use pre... sus -----Original Message----- From: ERWachter@... I do think some people are " less " diabetic than others. Otherwise, how do we explain the fact that some people can eat more carbs (even without meds) than people that are on meds/insulin? Eunice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2002 Report Share Posted December 22, 2002 Insulin just supplement the insulin already being produced so enough insulin is then in system to control sugar level. Glucophage (metformin) simply makes the insulin produced work harder but often despite a high dose, it isn't enough so add on insulin is needed. Fenella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2002 Report Share Posted December 23, 2002 In a message dated 12/22/02 6:12:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, sokokl@... writes: > My mom can't handle meds like Glucophage so she's strictly on > insulin. > > > > > What do you mean when you say she " can't handle " them... Is it that they just do not work for her or does she have some sort of side effect from them? Shirley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2002 Report Share Posted December 23, 2002 Kristy, That was my point, some type 2's can't handle the stuff or it doesn't work, so take insulin to top up the insulin they produce already. Fenella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2002 Report Share Posted December 23, 2002 Kristy with pleasure. can't guarantee a perfect response! No worries about repeating, mail gets very busy at times! Fenella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2002 Report Share Posted December 23, 2002 Oh Yes Kristy. It's normal for that to happen to any diabetic really, if poor control. However in type 2 prob more prevalent as insulin works more quickly than say glucophage. Fenella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2002 Report Share Posted December 23, 2002 Kristy Also. if not on meds, and diet controlled, then sugars can be up for a while. However I would hope that any diabetic would be eating something within 4-6 hours. Important to eat regularly, even if snacks, to maintain glucose level. Fenella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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