Re: I'm afraid my thyroid levels are normal :(

[Guest guest]

Wow, Chris... that's the best list for hyper that I've seen in a while! Sounds like your thinking is along the same lines as mine... We'll have to see how Jodi responds....

Topper ()

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:38:03 -0000 "" writes:

Jodi, you are one of a very small percentage who would end up with tests like this. A Free T3 in the high end of the range but free T4 at the bottom end. That was excellent the doc gave all the right tests, but your doc is missing what looks to me to be the begining stage of hyperthyroid. The TSH goes up causing more T4 to be converted to T3 so the T4 goes down and T3 goes up. This usually happens because of a TSH secreting pituitary tumor. I highly suggest you find an osteopath quickly and have him send you out for an MRI. They would be mostly like to be open to what I say as most docs just look to see if you are "in range". Do you have symptoms that seem match with hypo or hyper? Hyperthyroid does not cause an elevated temperature. You feel hotter, you pump out more heat.. but you don't run a fever....Check respirations, over 20 at rest would be a flag for hyper Resting heart rate consistently over 100 would also suggest hyper Increased thirst and appetite with frequent trips to the bathroom to empty 'full loads' (sorry to be graphic, but the trips are needed to empty the system because of the increased intake, these aren't just trips cause you feel like it) Constant feeling of anxiety, alarm, sense of danger, restless Excessive perspiration Easily flushed/blushing Extremely thin skin over elbows Muscle twitchingTongue cramps Teeth chattering, even when not cold, when stressed or nervous. Need to move, can't sit quietly Feeling hot all the time, even when folks around you are cold Craving strange foods along with the increased appetite Loss of weight Insomnia, easily waken Tendonitis Muscle CrampingPeriods stop

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[Guest guest]

That is true... mine was twice normal size. Not as large as some.. but surprising cause you never think of enlarged size being a symptom of hyper.

Topper ()

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:39:19 -0000 "" writes:

I forgot to mention you can have goiter with HYPERthyroid.Chris

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Thanks for the support and this information! TSH secreting

pituitary tumor? That doesn't sound good! One sad thing about all

of this is that my current doctor IS an osteopath. Another doc is

joining the group soon, so I'll make an appointment with him.

I don't really have too many symptoms of hyperthyroid, but I will

definitely start counting respirations & heart rate & taking my

temp.

Yes to:

Hyperthyroid does not cause an elevated temperature. You feel

hotter, you pump out more heat.. but you don't run a fever...

Excessive perspiration

Easily flushed/blushing

Feeling hot all the time, even when folks around you are cold

(I'm always hot, but I had a hysterectomy 3 years ago. I'm not

taking any HRT and figured it just that.)

No to:

Increased thirst and appetite with frequent trips to the bathroom

Constant feeling of anxiety, alarm, sense of danger, restless

Extremely thin skin over elbows

Muscle twitching

Tongue cramps

Teeth chattering, even when not cold, when stressed or nervous.

Need to move, can't sit quietly

Craving strange foods along with the increased appetite

Loss of weight

Insomnia, easily waken

Tendonitis

Muscle Cramping

As for symptoms of hypothyroid:

Yes:

I am gaining weight inappropriately

I'm unable to lose weight with diet/exercise

I feel fatigued, exhausted

Feeling run down, sluggish, lethargic

My skin is coarse, dry, scaly, and thick

I have puffiness and swelling around the eyes and face

I have pains, aches in joints, hands and feet

I have developed carpal-tunnel syndrome, or it's getting worse

I feel depressed

I have feelings of worthlessness

I have difficulty concentrating

I have more feelings of sadness

I seem to be losing interest in normal daily activities

I'm more forgetful lately

No:

I am constipated, sometimes severely

I have hypothermia/low body temperature (I feel cold when others

feel hot, I need extra sweaters, etc.)

My hair is coarse and dry, breaking, brittle, falling out

I have a hoarse or gravely voice

I am having irregular menstrual cycles (longer, or heavier, or more

frequent)

I am having trouble conceiving a baby

I feel restless

My moods change easily

Jodi

> > Hi, everyone,

> >

> > I'm so depressed - I've been avoiding this - I got my lab

results 2

> > weeks ago and everything falls within the range of normal. I

guess

> > I'll have to look somewhere else for my problems.

> >

> > TSH - 1.27 (0.3 - 5.0) MIU/ML

> > Free T3 - 3.32 (1.7 - 3.7) pg/ml

> > Free Thyroxine - 1.0 (0.7 - 1.9) NG/DL

> > Antimicrosomal AB - 0.23

> > <= 0.90 negative

> > 0.91 - 1.09 suggest repeat

> > >= 1.10 positive

> > Thyroglobulin AB - 0.06

> > <= 0.90 negative

> > 0.91 - 1.09 suggest repeat

> > >= 1.10 positive

> >

> > I do have a goiter. I think it needs attention. I asked my

doctor

> > if just having the goiter means there is a problem, and she said

> > no. It just means that the thyroid is swelling in order to make

> the

> > hormones. It doesn't seem right. If another organ was swelling

to

> > work properly, wouldn't they do something about that? Am I nuts?

> >

> > Help?!

> >

> > Jodi

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . I'm glad I'm not alone thinking that this is all

wrong.

I need to take my vitals - now is not a good time - back to school

rush this morning.

Jodi

> Jodi, Please remember, that what might be " normal " is not normal

for you!You

> still haave the goiter AND symptoms.

> Your Free Thyroxine is lower than what might be good for you! That

should be

> in the upper quarter(or at least half) of the range.

> What are your vitals? Is your pulse slow?(less than 70 in non-

athletes)?Your

> bp?is your temp below normal?respirations?

> What other symptoms do you have that is bothersome to you?

> A goiter is a problem! --It is not normal to have one.I suggest

going doctor

> hunting....

> Keep asking questions, we will help you through this.......

> Hugs

> Feisty

> I'm afraid my thyroid levels

are normal

>

>

>

> > Hi, everyone,

> >

> > I'm so depressed - I've been avoiding this - I got my lab

results 2

> > weeks ago and everything falls within the range of normal. I

guess

> > I'll have to look somewhere else for my problems.

> >

> > TSH - 1.27 (0.3 - 5.0) MIU/ML

> > Free T3 - 3.32 (1.7 - 3.7) pg/ml

> > Free Thyroxine - 1.0 (0.7 - 1.9) NG/DL

> > Antimicrosomal AB - 0.23

> > <= 0.90 negative

> > 0.91 - 1.09 suggest repeat

> > >= 1.10 positive

> > Thyroglobulin AB - 0.06

> > <= 0.90 negative

> > 0.91 - 1.09 suggest repeat

> > >= 1.10 positive

> >

> > I do have a goiter. I think it needs attention. I asked my

doctor

> > if just having the goiter means there is a problem, and she said

> > no. It just means that the thyroid is swelling in order to make

the

> > hormones. It doesn't seem right. If another organ was swelling

to

> > work properly, wouldn't they do something about that? Am I nuts?

> >

> > Help?!

> >

> > Jodi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Having the goiter " DOES " mean you have a problem. She is trying to

convince you that goiter doesn't mean low thryoid output. The goiter

is a symptom of something wrong and usually it is auto-antibodies.

Only three things cause goiter, auto-antibody attack, a toxin that

interferes with hormone production, and low iodine levels. One study

that looked at people with goiter found that all had some type of

thyroid dysfunction even when their numbers were " normal. " They

often had other abnormalities found in hypothryoidism such as

thryoid hormone insensitivity.

Your test results may also be a bit low for you. What most people

don't realize it that thryoid levels that are normal for people vary

hugely. In other words, according to Werner and Ingbar's " The

Thryoid " blood levels of thyroid hormones in healthy people vary

greatly and many healthy people fall outside the " normal " ranges

(above). These people are thrown out when determining the ranges

because they may inaccurately skew the range. But, as much as 25% of

all healthy people could be outside the normal ranges. So, though

your numbers are in the " normal " range, they might not be " YOUR "

normal range and may be low for you. Also, the normal ranges are

determined by the people who send in samples for testing. The vast

majority are sick or hypothryoid to some extent. For this reason,

ranges are skewed downward toward hypothryoidism. Dr.

, a top doc in Indiana, knows this and adjusts his patients

to the upper end of the scale.

The other thing you need to know is that auto-antibodies eb and

flow, so if you are in a low antibody period, they will not show up

on a test, but may be high enough to be removing enough thyroid from

your blood before it has time to get into tissues and giving you

mild low thyroid symptoms. your Thyroglobulin AB suggests you have

what they call chronic auto-immune hypothryoidism or a slow low

grade auto-immune hypothyroidism that takes years to fully damage

the thryoid.

Before you give up, I think you should at least experiment with

raising thyroid a little before ruling it out as your problem. The

vast majority of people feel better with both T4 and T3 above the

midline.

Tish

> Hi, everyone,

>

> I'm so depressed - I've been avoiding this - I got my lab results

2

> weeks ago and everything falls within the range of normal. I

guess

> I'll have to look somewhere else for my problems.

>

> TSH - 1.27 (0.3 - 5.0) MIU/ML

> Free T3 - 3.32 (1.7 - 3.7) pg/ml

> Free Thyroxine - 1.0 (0.7 - 1.9) NG/DL

> Antimicrosomal AB - 0.23

> <= 0.90 negative

> 0.91 - 1.09 suggest repeat

> >= 1.10 positive

> Thyroglobulin AB - 0.06

> <= 0.90 negative

> 0.91 - 1.09 suggest repeat

> >= 1.10 positive

>

> I do have a goiter. I think it needs attention. I asked my

doctor

> if just having the goiter means there is a problem, and she said

> no. It just means that the thyroid is swelling in order to make

the

> hormones. It doesn't seem right. If another organ was swelling

to

> work properly, wouldn't they do something about that? Am I nuts?

>

> Help?!

>

> Jodi