Re: Pavel Tsatsouline

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi all,

> I'm spending the weekend with him and Mike Mahler

> assisting at their " Beyond Bodybuilding " seminar.

> Anyone got any questions to ask?

> B.

>

> /no, not, " why are you such an idiot? "

> //shut-up!

>

Couldn't afford the $1200. LOL. Have fun. You are HARDCORE.

D.

[Guest guest]

....Ask them if they have any recommendations for bringing the rectus back

> together after pregnancy...I'd like to get back into

> kb, but I need to know about this issue specifically before I jump

back in.

jessica and roxie,

I screwed up the question, sorry. I guess I didn't read it carefully.

At any rate, Pavel gave me the name of an woman MD/RKC and said you

ought to contact her and say he sent you. I'm emailing you the name,

and if you'd rather, I'll contact her for you. There is an interview

with her on the DragonDoor site, hopefully she's not one of those

undesirable kind of doctors.

My new-best-friend-who-owns-a-pilates-studio (and is an incredible

athlete) said to make sure it is completely healed, perhaps having a

doctor confirm that, before exercising it. She said you can maybe

feel if it's grown back together with your fingers. Of course, I

asked her the wrong question, too. So, I've forwarded your post, with

the right question, to her and I'll send on her reply.

Oh, and I'm talking to Steve Maxwell sometime this week, and I'll ask

him, too.

B.

/yah the " B " stands for " dork "

[Guest guest]

> Ask him what he thinks of Matt Furey and his programs.

,

I just couldn't bring myself to do it. 40 people, man, sitting

in the room at the Q & A and I just couldn't say it:

" hey, Pavel, so what do you of Matt Furey and his programs? "

I *think* he would say that MF is a great guy, with a great program,

but that Dragon Door is vastly superior for xyz reasons.

It did come out that both Pavel and MF both share an anti-chicken

stance, Pavel, more as a joke based on personal taste--he has a

slogan, " prevent a chicken, eat an egg " and MF for some whatever

reason, I'm assuming hormone/antibiotic/contamination issues.

There was an obvious jump in the " energy " in the room when someone

threw Matt Furey's name out there.

I checked out his website and saw this bit:

# " Be a Lover AND a Fighter "

" Introducing the Life, Love and Relationship Enhancing ... " Chuang

Shang de Gong Fu " - China's Secret Sexual Kung Fu Love Making System -

It'll Make You the Master of Any and All Bedroom Suites

# She Said, " I Don't Want a Stud In the Gym During the Day Who's a Dud

in the Bedroom at Night "

# Order China's Secret Sexual Kung Fu Love Making Now "

China's secret sexual kung fu love making, hehe.

B.

[Guest guest]

--- In , Gene Schwartz <implode7@...>

wrote:

.... I do, however feel

> that Pavel's hype makes it hard for me to totally trust him. Any of his

> books, or his website, consist of just so much hard hype, and

salesmanship.

>

> I also have been tremendously offended at times with the militaristic

> attitude on the dragondoor site, in which he has been a much too willing

> participant. That seems to have toned down in the last year or so,

but there

> were times in the past when I posted in protest against some incredibly

> pro-war, jingoistic bullshit, that I was called a traitor, and one

guy even

> threatened to turn me into the FBI.

>

> Kettlebells are a great training tool.

Gene,

I don't think you need to " totally trust him " , to get a lot of value

from a kettlebell program. The DD site is hard to read, as are their

the books--because of the hype--but, like you say, kettlebells are a

great training tool.

As far as Pavel goes, and I've had this discussion with you before, in

person, he's perhaps the single most gracious man I've ever met. I

always make a point of re-introducing myself, because of the sheer

volume of people he deals with, and yet he always remembers me, my

name, and my home town. Sally does this, too, perhaps it's a schmooze

technique for people in their arena?

If I inquire/comment on what he's eating--yeah, I'm like that--he'll

instantaneously offer to share whatever it is, and I mean he put half

his plate of lunchmeat on my plate before I even knew what happened

once, and I don't look like a girl what needs second-helpings, either.

This was during lunch at the RKC, at the table with all his senior

instructors, gee! But at the RKC, when they're " on " there is a lot of

male posturing and some ridiculous exercises in aggression on the

recruits, and a lot of military/police hyping, but that's because so

many of the senior instructors specialize in those areas, and he let's

them let loose. If you watch Pavel, he's not doing it, but standing

back and letting them do their thing. He travels all over training

military and police outfits, not just these kettlebell workshops, so

apparently he's inclined that way, and he's also very Christian, it

turns out, so maybe you'll throw all your kettlebells out now? Let me

know if you wish to sell them!

My thing is, I'm quite intrigued with him from a WAP-perspective, as I

see him up close and he has the qualities of excellent nutrition. He

is well-proportioned, has beautiful facial bone structure, and a rare

sheen to his skin, which indicates good lubrication of all the body

tissues, and I don't see often, in fact, I can only think of three

people offhand, one being an artisanal sausage-maker we met in France,

and the other being Dr. Lad, the Ayurvedic doctor.

Certainly there are other athlete/coach/personalities out there, but

they don't look like that, and/or, I don't have access to them. So, I

ask him a lot of discreet questions about what food he was raised on,

what he eats now, etc. And he was raised on organ meats--in

Latvia--though he doesn't eat them so much now. While he doesn't

pursue organic food in any way, he will only eat " real " food, never,

ever, any type of protein bar or shake. But he does this in a

common-sense sort of way, makes a point of saying he knows nothing of

nutrition whatsoever, and doesn't comment upon what he, or others, are

eating.

I can only imagine you on the DD forum, I'll have to look up the

threads. What a riot that must have been.

Sorry to offend you with my response last night, was a joke.

B.

/secret sexual kung fu lovemaker

[Guest guest]

If that lady is Kristann Heinz, I've met her at a CST certification

and she's great.

Connie

>

> ...Ask them if they have any recommendations for bringing the

rectus back

> > together after pregnancy...I'd like to get back into

> > kb, but I need to know about this issue specifically before I

jump

> back in.

>

> jessica and roxie,

> I screwed up the question, sorry. I guess I didn't read it

carefully.

> At any rate, Pavel gave me the name of an woman MD/RKC and said you

> ought to contact her and say he sent you. I'm emailing you the

name,

> and if you'd rather, I'll contact her for you. There is an

interview

> with her on the DragonDoor site, hopefully she's not one of those

> undesirable kind of doctors.

>

> My new-best-friend-who-owns-a-pilates-studio (and is an incredible

> athlete) said to make sure it is completely healed, perhaps having

a

> doctor confirm that, before exercising it. She said you can maybe

> feel if it's grown back together with your fingers. Of course, I

> asked her the wrong question, too. So, I've forwarded your post,

with

> the right question, to her and I'll send on her reply.

>

> Oh, and I'm talking to Steve Maxwell sometime this week, and I'll

ask

> him, too.

> B.

> /yah the " B " stands for " dork "

>

[Guest guest]

Gene, did you by any chance run across Clubbells or try them? I'd be

curious about your experience in the city apartment. The CST forum is

devoid of that overmilitaristic stuff but gets the same complaints

about over hype-y talk at times.

Connie

>

> Kettlebells are a great training tool.

>

[Guest guest]

I found Clubbells before Kettlebells and feel exactly the same way.

Never before have I had 2 years straight of consistent exercise -

strength, mobility, and flow - with no burnout or boredom or

injuries.

Connie

>

> >-----Original Message-----

> >From:

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>

>

> >

> >Gene,

> >I don't think you need to " totally trust him " , to get a lot of

value

> >from a kettlebell program. The DD site is hard to read, as are

their

> >the books--because of the hype--but, like you say, kettlebells

are a

> >great training tool.

>

> Kettlebells are the absolute best form of exercise I've ever done.

I love

> the mixture of ballistics, cardio and strength training all in

one! I'm

> addicted for life :-)

>

> For whatever it is or isn't worth.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

--- In , " cbrown2008 " <cbrown2008@...>

wrote:

>

> Gene, did you by any chance run across Clubbells or try them? I'd be

> curious about your experience in the city apartment...

>

Connie,

Mike Mahler swings clubs in his city apartment.

With your ne plus ultra ranking as first-ever-senior-instructor/queen

of clubs, you could surely email him and ask him about it,

coach-to-coach, without getting invoiced.

Or give him some tips and you send the invoice.

B.

[Guest guest]

> > Gene, did you by any chance run across Clubbells or try them? I'd be

> > curious about your experience in the city apartment...

> >

> Connie,

> Mike Mahler swings clubs in his city apartment.

>

> With your ne plus ultra ranking as first-ever-senior-instructor/queen

> of clubs, you could surely email him and ask him about it...

NOT that I'm not as curious as anyone else about Gene's

experiences...kettle bell or otherwise.

B.

[Guest guest]

Wow, that was a lot of bells! I hear you on the space and only

keeping the one you like the most. I was just curious.

Someday I might get a couple of kettlebells but right now I'm still

busy with the clubs I have....

Connie

>

> > Gene, did you by any chance run across Clubbells or try them?

I'd be

> > curious about your experience in the city apartment. The CST

forum is

> > devoid of that overmilitaristic stuff but gets the same

complaints

> > about over hype-y talk at times.

> >

> > Connie

>

> Yes. I actually had the complete set, but wound up selling them.

Part of

> that was because, now that I'm back into accumulating various

pieces of

> electronic music technology, my apt doesn't have space for both the

> kettlebells and the clubbells. I found that I much preferred the

workout

> that I got with kettlebells.

>

> I did find the clubbell forum and the advertising also quite full

of hype. I

> agree - not militaristic like the Dragondoor forum, but I did feel

like it

> started getting kind of cultish.

>

[Guest guest]

Oh you teasing stinker you. I've read Mahler's articles but

wouldn't presume to ask him what he does about height inside! That's

one drawback of having the weight even farther from the hand than

the KBs.

Connie

> >

> > Gene, did you by any chance run across Clubbells or try them?

I'd be

> > curious about your experience in the city apartment...

> >

> Connie,

> Mike Mahler swings clubs in his city apartment.

>

> With your ne plus ultra ranking as first-ever-senior-

instructor/queen

> of clubs, you could surely email him and ask him about it,

> coach-to-coach, without getting invoiced.

> Or give him some tips and you send the invoice.

> B.

>

[Guest guest]

--- In , " cbrown2008 " <cbrown2008@...>

wrote:

>

> If that lady is Kristann Heinz, I've met her at a CST certification

> and she's great.

>

Connie,

It is Kristann Heinz. Do you know if she's WAP-literate/WAPF-friendly

by any chance?

I read in her interview she intends to focus her practice on

preventing/overcoming disease through nutrition, instead of drugs.

B.

[Guest guest]

You know, I didn't ask that. You'd have to ask her. We did talk

about raising families with whole food so I know she is at least not

SAD oriented or not even started on that food journey.

Connie

> >

> > If that lady is Kristann Heinz, I've met her at a CST

certification

> > and she's great.

> >

> Connie,

> It is Kristann Heinz. Do you know if she's WAP-literate/WAPF-

friendly

> by any chance?

>

> I read in her interview she intends to focus her practice on

> preventing/overcoming disease through nutrition, instead of drugs.

> B.

>

[Guest guest]

....Maybe with his sexual kung fu program you can eat chicken and still

be a

> stud. (Maybe I should invest in that!!)

>

,

Here ya go:

http://www.chineseculturesecrets.com/order.html

" Chuang Shang de Gong Fu

Order Form

___ Yes Matt, I want to place my order for Master Zhang's Private

Seminar with you on China's " lost art " of superior love making called

Chuang Shang de Gong Fu. I realize that I must jump on this offer

immediately as you are taking a significant risk in bringing this

information to the U.S. Sometime in the near future this product may

have to be pulled from the market, so there is no time to waste in

making my decision. I understand you'll be sending me a set of 6 DVD's

and 6 CD's, shot in China, that teach me what to do to be a master

lover. I also understand that this is a special and by ordering now I

am getting the system for only $297 plus S & H ($200 off the normal

price). Sign me up NOW! "

it's just so...Rex Kwon do.

http://www.stumptuous.com/cms/images/rex_kwon_do.jpg

or, maybe *I* should invest in this course he offers:

http://www.knockoutmarketing.com/

" The Science of Super-Human Marketing

" For the first-time ever - and quite possibly the last time ever, I'm

going to share my most precious core wallet-fattening secrets that you

can use on or off the Internet to begin making an annual, renewable

fortune - year-in and year-out! "

Dang.

I can't really get through the website, as I'm throwing up in my mouth

a little, but I'll take your word that there's something to it, I

mean, he has all those titles, right? Especially if it's helping you

meet your goals. Nothing wrong with bodyweight training. What do you

think of _The Naked Warrior_?

How does Matt Furey stay so bulky doing body weight exercise? Is he

just that huge? Is it the beef?

I know Ron Blouch likes MF but he's not subscribed to this list anymore.

B.

[Guest guest]

> I'm not sure I want to see a naked warrior unless it's one of the

legendary

> Amazon's and then I better have my black belt in sexual kung fu so I

can

> handle it. Actually, one of my son's has the book. It's Pavel's

version of

> body weight conditioning. I like Furey's better. I'm getting very good

> results from it, including fat loss, better sleep, more strength, more

> endurance, etc. I also got results from kettlebells although I'm seeing

> results faster using MF's Combat Conditioning. The book is about the

same

> price as similar books on Dragon Door. I use Pavel's stretching book

as a

> guide and have made great strides with that. I'm not sure about Furey's

> stretching program.

>

> As for his other programs, there is a lot of hype but I take it with a

> grain of salt. He's trying to sell so he's going to make it sound as

good

> as possible. I've seen similar hype from Dragon Door and from

Sonnon.

> What's the difference? They are all trying to sell. That's how they

make

> their livings. Whether his other programs can deliver, I wouldn't know,

> except for one. My wife was having severe carpal tunnel symptoms and

being

> the kind, loving husband that I am, I wanted to try to help. I

researched

> on the internet and decided to spend the 99 bucks plus shipping for

Furey's

> program on how to elimate carpal tunnel pain. After about a week, she

> started getting better. After about a month or so, her carpal tunnel

pain

> was gone. The was certainly a lot cheaper than surgery that wouldn't

have

> worked anyway. So my wife can vouch for that program.

>

> I get a lot of junk mail trying to sell me stuff. " Make your lawn the

> greenest in your town using beer and tabasco sauce! " " Order this 200

mpg

> carburetor now before the oil companies find me and kill me! " It's

all a

> lot of hype and as a consumer, I've got to decide how best to spend

my hard

> earned money. But I haven't found Matt Furey's hype to be much

different

> than a lot of other's I've seen on exercise, money making,

supplements, or

> a host of other things. You might find it nauseating. I find it

amusing. He

> obviously sells plenty so there are people who buy it.

>

> >How does Matt Furey stay so bulky doing body weight exercise? Is he

> >just that huge? Is it the beef?

> I talked to a guy here who accused Matt Furey of lying. He said

there's no

> way he got that physique with body weight exercises. He does say he

lifted

> a lot of weights when he was younger but I don't think he's lying.

He would

> be ruined if he was ever filmed secretly lifting weights while

making fun

> of the people who buy his programs. He's got nothing to gain by

lying about

> it. Making he got bulky while young by lifting weights and stays

that way

> now by body weight exercises. I don't know. All I know is that I'm

doing

> well with body weight exercises and my wife got rid of her carpal

tunnel.

> That's good enough for me.

>

,

How wonderful the carpal tunnel was relieved for $99!

You are truly a heroic husband! And good for your wife for following

the program--what a lot of heartache was saved all around!

I agree with you about the assault of hype and I didn't mean to

compare MF with Dragon Door unfavorably, by any means, but was merely

amused, like you, at what I found there.

It's difficult for me to read any sites that have flashing banners,

hard selling, and bold typefaces etc. In fact, hat WAPF isn't

selling anything, as far as merch goes, is what made me trust their

message.

As far as the secret sexual kung fu program, goodness knows plenty of

people could benefit from some education, and $300 is chump change to

become a Master of Any and All Bedroom Suites.

B.