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Date: Wed Oct 20, 2004 2:08 pm

Subject: My current situation, any advise?

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Hi Everyone!

I was just wondering if you could offer any advise on my current

situation:

I did 50 synthroid for 8 wks, TSH went down from 6.9 to 3.04.

Didn't feel better, went on 75 synthroid and 3 wks later the few

symptoms (blurry vision, ringing ear, PMS pain, puffy eyes, itching,

muscle pain, yawning, eye lid ticks) that went away came back. Went

on Armour (1 grain) + synthroid (37.5), 90% T4 + 10% T3 and feeling

some relief. Doctor said 1 grain only, no synthroid but didn't help

at all. A little bit of energy on a few select days, but big thing

is weight is finally coming down about 1-2 lbs a week. Though

working out twice as much and eating less calories/low fat to do

so. This hasn't worked in the past. Working on insomnia with

supplements instead of drugs. It's hard. Worked ok for a couple

days, then kept waking up. Any suggestions on how long to take

sleeping pills (sonata). Am I just suffering for nothing struggling

with supplements, when will normal sleep return? Current situation

is changed endros in same practice (took a week to get approval to

do so-what a joke), so have to wait till I've been on new meds

(armour + synthroid) 9 wks before getting new lab work, and 10 wks

before I see the dr. Last endro prescribed armour only, I added the

synthroid since for my weight (140) I should be on around 100, not

75. I can't get any extra armour till next appt. What do you think

of current dose of meds and waiting so long to see a dr? The dr I'm

changing to is on top dr list. Should I see a 's Syndrome web

site recommeneded dr or regular dr (who prescribed 50 cytomel-too

much and admitted she didn't know how to dose) till then? I'm

concerned because I'm getting so little relief from the extreme

drowsiness, brain fog, etc. The drowsiness is so bad I'm afraid to

drive since my reaction time is so slow. I walk into a room and

can't remember half way there why I was going there! It's really

driving me nuts. I'm 37 and this is too young to feel this way!

Endro only did am cortisol test and it was normal, he dismissed the

adrenals as being a problem. After being on meds for 13 weeks (over

3 months) I'm REALLY concerned about the drowsiness and insomnia.

My test results:

Here's my test results:

8 wks on synthroid 50 = 3.04 before synthroid 6.9

T4 free 1.4 (.8-1.8)

T4 Total 9.7 (4.5-12.5)

T3 free 325 (230-420)

Thyroglobulin antibidies 7 H (<2)

Thyroid Peroxidase <2 (<2)

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

I did 50 synthroid for 8 wks, TSH went down from 6.9 to 3.04.

> Didn't feel better, went on 75 synthroid and 3 wks later the few

> symptoms (blurry vision, ringing ear, PMS pain, puffy eyes,

itching,

> muscle pain, yawning, eye lid ticks) that went away came back. Went

> on Armour (1 grain) + synthroid (37.5), 90% T4 + 10% T3 and feeling

> some relief.

___________________

A TSH of 3.04 is still hypothyroid. It needs to be down below 2.0.

Anything above 2.0 is impaired thyroid function. The reason you are

not feeling any better on any of these medications is because your

dose is far too low on all of them. Low dose thyroid therapy causes

the thyroid to shut down in many people and it is common for them to

become even more hypothyroid on low dose therapy. Usually TSH

becomes very low and yours might be there by now.

The healthy human thyroid makes about 4-1/2 to 5 grains of Armour

equivelent a day or about 333 to 370 mcg of Synthroid equiveelent a

day. In theory, when you take 1 grain of Armour, your pituitary

should tell your thyroid, via TSH excretion, to make 3-1/2 to 4

grains more so that you have a total of about 4-1/2 to 5 grains or

whatever you need for health. Thyroid output for healthy people

varies hugely and you might need more than 4-1/2 to 5 grains a day.

What happens with low dose thyroid therapy is that it overly

suppresses TSH and causes the thyroid to not make up the difference

between what you are taking and what your body needs. So, you can

easily become more hypothyroid on low dose therapy than on nothing.

The solution to this problem is to increase the dose high enough to

overcome it. This is usually 3 to 5 grains. This was the typical

Armour dose for about 83 years before heavy reliance on the TSH

test, which came about in the 1970s. Since doctors have become

fixated on numbers, thyroid doses have dropped to 1/3 of what they

were from the late 1800s up until about 1975.

You can find a 's doctor and at least they allow you to adjust

your dose up to as high as you need it in most cases. I was on all

T3 for 7 months. All T3 therapy has drawbacks just like all T4

therapy. In my book, Armour is the best. But, your dose is obviously

too tiny to do anything for you as yur hypo symptoms are worsening.

All T3 therapy is harder on the adrenals and requires that you have

good adrenal function. If you have been undermedicated and

hypothyroid for a long time, your adrenals are going to be weak.

Adrenal size and output is controlled by circulating thyroid

hormone.

Anyway, what you need to do is find a doc who will allow you to

adjust your dose to where you feel good and not by some number in a

range. There are a few out there. You can also do this yourself by

using the Broda Temperature Test or Dr. Rind's page

at:http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp. Simply adjust your thyroid

dose up by 1/2 of a grain every two weeks untill body temps average

98.6 and pulse stays below 84 and you feel good. When your dose gets

around 3 grains slow down on increases to once every 4 weeks. Body

temperature is a measure of metabolic function, which is controlled

by thyroid and adrenal and is an excellent way to figure out how

good thyroid function is. This was how it was done for at least 50

years before tests. People lived long and healthy lives adjusting

thyroid doses to where they felt best. To read on how to do this

with glandulars, go to:

http://www.fudgedesign.co.uk/tuk/treat/glandulars.htm

You cannot overdose on any dose less than what your own thyroid

makes or about 4 grains or less. This is because your pituitary will

slow production of thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH) to tell your

thyroid to slow production by the amount you are taking so the total

thyroid in your system stays at or below where you need it. You can

be overly sensitive to thyroid hormone if you have adrenal fatigue,

anemia, low protien and other problems that interfere with the

body's ability to use thyroid hormone. If this happens you must then

make raises in tiny increments like 1/4 grain and wait 4 weeks to a

month before another one. This gives time for the body to adjust to

each dose raise.

You can get thyroid hormone from Mexico or you can order Nutri+meds

thyroid, which contains 1/4 grain of Armour equivelent per tablet.

You can type in " Armour without prescription " in google and that

will bring up some things for you.

Here are some articles related to your situation:

http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl11.htm

http://www.eje.org/eje/149/0091/1490091.pdf

http://thyroid.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?

site=http://www.thyroid%2Dinfo.com/articles/docdon.htm

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/david-derry.htm

Tish

[Guest guest]

I did 50 synthroid for 8 wks, TSH went down from 6.9 to 3.04.

> Didn't feel better, went on 75 synthroid and 3 wks later the few

> symptoms (blurry vision, ringing ear, PMS pain, puffy eyes,

itching,

> muscle pain, yawning, eye lid ticks) that went away came back. Went

> on Armour (1 grain) + synthroid (37.5), 90% T4 + 10% T3 and feeling

> some relief.

___________________

A TSH of 3.04 is still hypothyroid. It needs to be down below 2.0.

Anything above 2.0 is impaired thyroid function. The reason you are

not feeling any better on any of these medications is because your

dose is far too low on all of them. Low dose thyroid therapy causes

the thyroid to shut down in many people and it is common for them to

become even more hypothyroid on low dose therapy. Usually TSH

becomes very low and yours might be there by now.

The healthy human thyroid makes about 4-1/2 to 5 grains of Armour

equivelent a day or about 333 to 370 mcg of Synthroid equiveelent a

day. In theory, when you take 1 grain of Armour, your pituitary

should tell your thyroid, via TSH excretion, to make 3-1/2 to 4

grains more so that you have a total of about 4-1/2 to 5 grains or

whatever you need for health. Thyroid output for healthy people

varies hugely and you might need more than 4-1/2 to 5 grains a day.

What happens with low dose thyroid therapy is that it overly

suppresses TSH and causes the thyroid to not make up the difference

between what you are taking and what your body needs. So, you can

easily become more hypothyroid on low dose therapy than on nothing.

The solution to this problem is to increase the dose high enough to

overcome it. This is usually 3 to 5 grains. This was the typical

Armour dose for about 83 years before heavy reliance on the TSH

test, which came about in the 1970s. Since doctors have become

fixated on numbers, thyroid doses have dropped to 1/3 of what they

were from the late 1800s up until about 1975.

You can find a 's doctor and at least they allow you to adjust

your dose up to as high as you need it in most cases. I was on all

T3 for 7 months. All T3 therapy has drawbacks just like all T4

therapy. In my book, Armour is the best. But, your dose is obviously

too tiny to do anything for you as yur hypo symptoms are worsening.

All T3 therapy is harder on the adrenals and requires that you have

good adrenal function. If you have been undermedicated and

hypothyroid for a long time, your adrenals are going to be weak.

Adrenal size and output is controlled by circulating thyroid

hormone.

Anyway, what you need to do is find a doc who will allow you to

adjust your dose to where you feel good and not by some number in a

range. There are a few out there. You can also do this yourself by

using the Broda Temperature Test or Dr. Rind's page

at:http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp. Simply adjust your thyroid

dose up by 1/2 of a grain every two weeks untill body temps average

98.6 and pulse stays below 84 and you feel good. When your dose gets

around 3 grains slow down on increases to once every 4 weeks. Body

temperature is a measure of metabolic function, which is controlled

by thyroid and adrenal and is an excellent way to figure out how

good thyroid function is. This was how it was done for at least 50

years before tests. People lived long and healthy lives adjusting

thyroid doses to where they felt best. To read on how to do this

with glandulars, go to:

http://www.fudgedesign.co.uk/tuk/treat/glandulars.htm

You cannot overdose on any dose less than what your own thyroid

makes or about 4 grains or less. This is because your pituitary will

slow production of thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH) to tell your

thyroid to slow production by the amount you are taking so the total

thyroid in your system stays at or below where you need it. You can

be overly sensitive to thyroid hormone if you have adrenal fatigue,

anemia, low protien and other problems that interfere with the

body's ability to use thyroid hormone. If this happens you must then

make raises in tiny increments like 1/4 grain and wait 4 weeks to a

month before another one. This gives time for the body to adjust to

each dose raise.

You can get thyroid hormone from Mexico or you can order Nutri+meds

thyroid, which contains 1/4 grain of Armour equivelent per tablet.

You can type in " Armour without prescription " in google and that

will bring up some things for you.

Here are some articles related to your situation:

http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl11.htm

http://www.eje.org/eje/149/0091/1490091.pdf

http://thyroid.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?

site=http://www.thyroid%2Dinfo.com/articles/docdon.htm

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/david-derry.htm

Tish

[Guest guest]

I did 50 synthroid for 8 wks, TSH went down from 6.9 to 3.04.

> Didn't feel better, went on 75 synthroid and 3 wks later the few

> symptoms (blurry vision, ringing ear, PMS pain, puffy eyes,

itching,

> muscle pain, yawning, eye lid ticks) that went away came back. Went

> on Armour (1 grain) + synthroid (37.5), 90% T4 + 10% T3 and feeling

> some relief.

___________________

A TSH of 3.04 is still hypothyroid. It needs to be down below 2.0.

Anything above 2.0 is impaired thyroid function. The reason you are

not feeling any better on any of these medications is because your

dose is far too low on all of them. Low dose thyroid therapy causes

the thyroid to shut down in many people and it is common for them to

become even more hypothyroid on low dose therapy. Usually TSH

becomes very low and yours might be there by now.

The healthy human thyroid makes about 4-1/2 to 5 grains of Armour

equivelent a day or about 333 to 370 mcg of Synthroid equiveelent a

day. In theory, when you take 1 grain of Armour, your pituitary

should tell your thyroid, via TSH excretion, to make 3-1/2 to 4

grains more so that you have a total of about 4-1/2 to 5 grains or

whatever you need for health. Thyroid output for healthy people

varies hugely and you might need more than 4-1/2 to 5 grains a day.

What happens with low dose thyroid therapy is that it overly

suppresses TSH and causes the thyroid to not make up the difference

between what you are taking and what your body needs. So, you can

easily become more hypothyroid on low dose therapy than on nothing.

The solution to this problem is to increase the dose high enough to

overcome it. This is usually 3 to 5 grains. This was the typical

Armour dose for about 83 years before heavy reliance on the TSH

test, which came about in the 1970s. Since doctors have become

fixated on numbers, thyroid doses have dropped to 1/3 of what they

were from the late 1800s up until about 1975.

You can find a 's doctor and at least they allow you to adjust

your dose up to as high as you need it in most cases. I was on all

T3 for 7 months. All T3 therapy has drawbacks just like all T4

therapy. In my book, Armour is the best. But, your dose is obviously

too tiny to do anything for you as yur hypo symptoms are worsening.

All T3 therapy is harder on the adrenals and requires that you have

good adrenal function. If you have been undermedicated and

hypothyroid for a long time, your adrenals are going to be weak.

Adrenal size and output is controlled by circulating thyroid

hormone.

Anyway, what you need to do is find a doc who will allow you to

adjust your dose to where you feel good and not by some number in a

range. There are a few out there. You can also do this yourself by

using the Broda Temperature Test or Dr. Rind's page

at:http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp. Simply adjust your thyroid

dose up by 1/2 of a grain every two weeks untill body temps average

98.6 and pulse stays below 84 and you feel good. When your dose gets

around 3 grains slow down on increases to once every 4 weeks. Body

temperature is a measure of metabolic function, which is controlled

by thyroid and adrenal and is an excellent way to figure out how

good thyroid function is. This was how it was done for at least 50

years before tests. People lived long and healthy lives adjusting

thyroid doses to where they felt best. To read on how to do this

with glandulars, go to:

http://www.fudgedesign.co.uk/tuk/treat/glandulars.htm

You cannot overdose on any dose less than what your own thyroid

makes or about 4 grains or less. This is because your pituitary will

slow production of thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH) to tell your

thyroid to slow production by the amount you are taking so the total

thyroid in your system stays at or below where you need it. You can

be overly sensitive to thyroid hormone if you have adrenal fatigue,

anemia, low protien and other problems that interfere with the

body's ability to use thyroid hormone. If this happens you must then

make raises in tiny increments like 1/4 grain and wait 4 weeks to a

month before another one. This gives time for the body to adjust to

each dose raise.

You can get thyroid hormone from Mexico or you can order Nutri+meds

thyroid, which contains 1/4 grain of Armour equivelent per tablet.

You can type in " Armour without prescription " in google and that

will bring up some things for you.

Here are some articles related to your situation:

http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl11.htm

http://www.eje.org/eje/149/0091/1490091.pdf

http://thyroid.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?

site=http://www.thyroid%2Dinfo.com/articles/docdon.htm

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/david-derry.htm

Tish