Re: to all my friends.. from tonya

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This is my first posting

I`m ......My first daughter passed away only a day after she was born in

1991, then i`ve had 3 boys ages 10, 8, 6 and a 4 yr odl daughter......The day

i had my daughter in July 1998 my then husband gave me a choice.....Tie my

tubes or he was leaving, i chose to have them tied.

Needless to say we seperated in 1999 and he told so many lies and had so many

friends testify that i was an unfit mother all over 1 cup of spilled milk out

back, said i wasn`t watching my children when in fact i came in for some

water.

He got the house, the cars and our children. I am now engaged to a wonderful

man and talk of having a child has come up, only that neither of our

insurances cover it.

I have been on depression meds sin August of 2001 because i can`t afford to

give him a child, he says he is fine with it....But i know deep down he wants

one of his own.

I cry at night from not being able to kiss my kids goodnight, say their

prayers and tuck them in....I see them every other Fri-Sat, and every Wed

from 4-8.....He is now trying to take overnights away saying that it`s

traumatizing the kids being away from him and their own beds. But when they

are here they don`t ask for him at all ad cry when they have to go home. He

has even made it so that my fiance cannot take them to the store or park

without me.......Said he abuses them and everything that he tried to pin on

my fiance has failed but the judge won`t change the court orders. I`m so torn

in 2.......I want my children and i want 1 more..........Does anyone have any

words of advice??????

Kar

[Guest guest]

This is my first posting

I`m ......My first daughter passed away only a day after she was born in

1991, then i`ve had 3 boys ages 10, 8, 6 and a 4 yr odl daughter......The day

i had my daughter in July 1998 my then husband gave me a choice.....Tie my

tubes or he was leaving, i chose to have them tied.

Needless to say we seperated in 1999 and he told so many lies and had so many

friends testify that i was an unfit mother all over 1 cup of spilled milk out

back, said i wasn`t watching my children when in fact i came in for some

water.

He got the house, the cars and our children. I am now engaged to a wonderful

man and talk of having a child has come up, only that neither of our

insurances cover it.

I have been on depression meds sin August of 2001 because i can`t afford to

give him a child, he says he is fine with it....But i know deep down he wants

one of his own.

I cry at night from not being able to kiss my kids goodnight, say their

prayers and tuck them in....I see them every other Fri-Sat, and every Wed

from 4-8.....He is now trying to take overnights away saying that it`s

traumatizing the kids being away from him and their own beds. But when they

are here they don`t ask for him at all ad cry when they have to go home. He

has even made it so that my fiance cannot take them to the store or park

without me.......Said he abuses them and everything that he tried to pin on

my fiance has failed but the judge won`t change the court orders. I`m so torn

in 2.......I want my children and i want 1 more..........Does anyone have any

words of advice??????

Kar

[Guest guest]

This is my first posting

I`m ......My first daughter passed away only a day after she was born in

1991, then i`ve had 3 boys ages 10, 8, 6 and a 4 yr odl daughter......The day

i had my daughter in July 1998 my then husband gave me a choice.....Tie my

tubes or he was leaving, i chose to have them tied.

Needless to say we seperated in 1999 and he told so many lies and had so many

friends testify that i was an unfit mother all over 1 cup of spilled milk out

back, said i wasn`t watching my children when in fact i came in for some

water.

He got the house, the cars and our children. I am now engaged to a wonderful

man and talk of having a child has come up, only that neither of our

insurances cover it.

I have been on depression meds sin August of 2001 because i can`t afford to

give him a child, he says he is fine with it....But i know deep down he wants

one of his own.

I cry at night from not being able to kiss my kids goodnight, say their

prayers and tuck them in....I see them every other Fri-Sat, and every Wed

from 4-8.....He is now trying to take overnights away saying that it`s

traumatizing the kids being away from him and their own beds. But when they

are here they don`t ask for him at all ad cry when they have to go home. He

has even made it so that my fiance cannot take them to the store or park

without me.......Said he abuses them and everything that he tried to pin on

my fiance has failed but the judge won`t change the court orders. I`m so torn

in 2.......I want my children and i want 1 more..........Does anyone have any

words of advice??????

Kar

[Guest guest]

Tonya-

Isn't it great how they realize its a need as well as A want. I think Most

of my Dp is from the want and need to have another child and as I read posts

I learn of more and more woman who suffer so its possible. I think we need

to fill our hearts with that more love and our noses with that baby smell

and our hands with those little butts lol.

I know they need speech as Rissa has but I will tell you someday you will

miss it. I miss Rissas little raspy voice saying Mom can I go to the park or

Can we take the Car because she talked like she was from the bronx. It was

so cute. Many people thought we lived in other states and moved here and it

was all her speech PROBLEM as they said. I loved it and when we watch Home

videos I realize it was never a problem I always understood her.

-30

DH- Rick Sr.- 30

DS- Ricky- 11

DD- Brittany-10

DD- Clarissa-9

FD- le - 5

to all my friends.. from tonya

last night me and hubby was in bed getting ready to go to sleep tyler my

yougest is in bed with us cause he couldnt sleep.. we were talking about

haveing another baby.. scott says tyler do you want another baby.. tyler

sat up and looked at scott and said very clearly ..mommy needs another

baby.. i about cried..

this is my son who has promblems talking hes been in speech for a while.

i have had some depresssing thoughts i know some of you all have talked

about depression.. i try to not let it get me down but i try to keep my

hopes up..its very hard .especially when people ask when you gonna,have

another baby..then sometimes

i keep feeling like something good is going to happen . something good.. i

dont know when i just know it.

but i just wanted to say you ladies insprire me a lot.. i know i dont post a

lot.. but i do check when i can and i love hearing about the miracles and

the good and yes the bad cause to me it draws us closer as a family...

hugs tonya

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Tonya-

Isn't it great how they realize its a need as well as A want. I think Most

of my Dp is from the want and need to have another child and as I read posts

I learn of more and more woman who suffer so its possible. I think we need

to fill our hearts with that more love and our noses with that baby smell

and our hands with those little butts lol.

I know they need speech as Rissa has but I will tell you someday you will

miss it. I miss Rissas little raspy voice saying Mom can I go to the park or

Can we take the Car because she talked like she was from the bronx. It was

so cute. Many people thought we lived in other states and moved here and it

was all her speech PROBLEM as they said. I loved it and when we watch Home

videos I realize it was never a problem I always understood her.

-30

DH- Rick Sr.- 30

DS- Ricky- 11

DD- Brittany-10

DD- Clarissa-9

FD- le - 5

to all my friends.. from tonya

last night me and hubby was in bed getting ready to go to sleep tyler my

yougest is in bed with us cause he couldnt sleep.. we were talking about

haveing another baby.. scott says tyler do you want another baby.. tyler

sat up and looked at scott and said very clearly ..mommy needs another

baby.. i about cried..

this is my son who has promblems talking hes been in speech for a while.

i have had some depresssing thoughts i know some of you all have talked

about depression.. i try to not let it get me down but i try to keep my

hopes up..its very hard .especially when people ask when you gonna,have

another baby..then sometimes

i keep feeling like something good is going to happen . something good.. i

dont know when i just know it.

but i just wanted to say you ladies insprire me a lot.. i know i dont post a

lot.. but i do check when i can and i love hearing about the miracles and

the good and yes the bad cause to me it draws us closer as a family...

hugs tonya

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Tonya-

Isn't it great how they realize its a need as well as A want. I think Most

of my Dp is from the want and need to have another child and as I read posts

I learn of more and more woman who suffer so its possible. I think we need

to fill our hearts with that more love and our noses with that baby smell

and our hands with those little butts lol.

I know they need speech as Rissa has but I will tell you someday you will

miss it. I miss Rissas little raspy voice saying Mom can I go to the park or

Can we take the Car because she talked like she was from the bronx. It was

so cute. Many people thought we lived in other states and moved here and it

was all her speech PROBLEM as they said. I loved it and when we watch Home

videos I realize it was never a problem I always understood her.

-30

DH- Rick Sr.- 30

DS- Ricky- 11

DD- Brittany-10

DD- Clarissa-9

FD- le - 5

to all my friends.. from tonya

last night me and hubby was in bed getting ready to go to sleep tyler my

yougest is in bed with us cause he couldnt sleep.. we were talking about

haveing another baby.. scott says tyler do you want another baby.. tyler

sat up and looked at scott and said very clearly ..mommy needs another

baby.. i about cried..

this is my son who has promblems talking hes been in speech for a while.

i have had some depresssing thoughts i know some of you all have talked

about depression.. i try to not let it get me down but i try to keep my

hopes up..its very hard .especially when people ask when you gonna,have

another baby..then sometimes

i keep feeling like something good is going to happen . something good.. i

dont know when i just know it.

but i just wanted to say you ladies insprire me a lot.. i know i dont post a

lot.. but i do check when i can and i love hearing about the miracles and

the good and yes the bad cause to me it draws us closer as a family...

hugs tonya

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[Guest guest]

,

I've never been in this boat before. I'm sorry about

everything that your ex is trying to do to you. It's not right.

Has the judge ever ask your kids what was going on or where they

want to live? You said that your oldest is 10. I know that in

Texas at that age a judge will take into consideration what the

children want. I think that I would ask the kids who they want to

live with. I don't know anything else to do.

I'm sorry that I couldn't be anymore help to you. Keep us

posted on how everything is going. If you want to talk, you can e-

mail me personally at Blondie_Alyssa@... .

Hugs and Blessings,

H.

> This is my first posting

>

> I`m ......My first daughter passed away only a day after she

was born in

> 1991, then i`ve had 3 boys ages 10, 8, 6 and a 4 yr odl

daughter......The day

> i had my daughter in July 1998 my then husband gave me a

choice.....Tie my

> tubes or he was leaving, i chose to have them tied.

> Needless to say we seperated in 1999 and he told so many lies and

had so many

> friends testify that i was an unfit mother all over 1 cup of

spilled milk out

> back, said i wasn`t watching my children when in fact i came in

for some

> water.

> He got the house, the cars and our children. I am now engaged to a

wonderful

> man and talk of having a child has come up, only that neither of

our

> insurances cover it.

> I have been on depression meds sin August of 2001 because i can`t

afford to

> give him a child, he says he is fine with it....But i know deep

down he wants

> one of his own.

> I cry at night from not being able to kiss my kids goodnight, say

their

> prayers and tuck them in....I see them every other Fri-Sat, and

every Wed

> from 4-8.....He is now trying to take overnights away saying that

it`s

> traumatizing the kids being away from him and their own beds. But

when they

> are here they don`t ask for him at all ad cry when they have to go

home. He

> has even made it so that my fiance cannot take them to the store

or park

> without me.......Said he abuses them and everything that he tried

to pin on

> my fiance has failed but the judge won`t change the court orders.

I`m so torn

> in 2.......I want my children and i want 1 more..........Does

anyone have any

> words of advice??????

> Kar

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kar,

Here the age is 12 also, but most of the judges around will

start taking the kids choices into consideration at around 9 or 10.

I really think that the children should have a choice on where they

want to live at any age. That is as long as neither parent is

abusive. At that point, I think that the judge should take it into

his/her hands.

I think that it's terrible how people use child protective

services now. The people that they need to be investigated never

are. The ones who try to be good parents and bring their kid up

right are always the first ones that they bother.

I'm sorry. I know that this is extremely hard on you. I would

die if I didn't have my kids. They literally drive me insain at

times, but I love them. They are my life. I wouldn't trade them in

for anything.

Hugs and Blessings,

H.

> Here the age is 12, and trust me.....He is counting the

days.....The other

> ones are way too young yet. I recently found out that their

babysitter.....a

> retired pre-school teacher has been slappng them in the face and

pulling the

> boys by their ears....I called child abuse and our local

police......and

> because the father agrees ith the punishment, there isn`t a thing

i can do

> until she leaves a mark or ruptures their eardrum, sad isn`t it?

But yet when

> my 10 yr old was 6 i let him wear the baggy clothes { the in

style } not

> hanging off his butt....i don`t believe in that and i got child

abuse called

> and they came to investigate, tell me how that compares to

slapping and

> pulling ears. I`m so at loss......My hands are tied, there isn`t

a thing i

> can do till they all reach 12......And it seems like forever, plus

i lose all

> these years in beteen.

> Kar

>

> Thanks for listening

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kar,

Here the age is 12 also, but most of the judges around will

start taking the kids choices into consideration at around 9 or 10.

I really think that the children should have a choice on where they

want to live at any age. That is as long as neither parent is

abusive. At that point, I think that the judge should take it into

his/her hands.

I think that it's terrible how people use child protective

services now. The people that they need to be investigated never

are. The ones who try to be good parents and bring their kid up

right are always the first ones that they bother.

I'm sorry. I know that this is extremely hard on you. I would

die if I didn't have my kids. They literally drive me insain at

times, but I love them. They are my life. I wouldn't trade them in

for anything.

Hugs and Blessings,

H.

> Here the age is 12, and trust me.....He is counting the

days.....The other

> ones are way too young yet. I recently found out that their

babysitter.....a

> retired pre-school teacher has been slappng them in the face and

pulling the

> boys by their ears....I called child abuse and our local

police......and

> because the father agrees ith the punishment, there isn`t a thing

i can do

> until she leaves a mark or ruptures their eardrum, sad isn`t it?

But yet when

> my 10 yr old was 6 i let him wear the baggy clothes { the in

style } not

> hanging off his butt....i don`t believe in that and i got child

abuse called

> and they came to investigate, tell me how that compares to

slapping and

> pulling ears. I`m so at loss......My hands are tied, there isn`t

a thing i

> can do till they all reach 12......And it seems like forever, plus

i lose all

> these years in beteen.

> Kar

>

> Thanks for listening

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kar,

Here the age is 12 also, but most of the judges around will

start taking the kids choices into consideration at around 9 or 10.

I really think that the children should have a choice on where they

want to live at any age. That is as long as neither parent is

abusive. At that point, I think that the judge should take it into

his/her hands.

I think that it's terrible how people use child protective

services now. The people that they need to be investigated never

are. The ones who try to be good parents and bring their kid up

right are always the first ones that they bother.

I'm sorry. I know that this is extremely hard on you. I would

die if I didn't have my kids. They literally drive me insain at

times, but I love them. They are my life. I wouldn't trade them in

for anything.

Hugs and Blessings,

H.

> Here the age is 12, and trust me.....He is counting the

days.....The other

> ones are way too young yet. I recently found out that their

babysitter.....a

> retired pre-school teacher has been slappng them in the face and

pulling the

> boys by their ears....I called child abuse and our local

police......and

> because the father agrees ith the punishment, there isn`t a thing

i can do

> until she leaves a mark or ruptures their eardrum, sad isn`t it?

But yet when

> my 10 yr old was 6 i let him wear the baggy clothes { the in

style } not

> hanging off his butt....i don`t believe in that and i got child

abuse called

> and they came to investigate, tell me how that compares to

slapping and

> pulling ears. I`m so at loss......My hands are tied, there isn`t

a thing i

> can do till they all reach 12......And it seems like forever, plus

i lose all

> these years in beteen.

> Kar

>

> Thanks for listening

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We have a court appointed law guardian, i do know that he has spoken to the

father, not sure about the kids.....When i call they brush me off, he either

isn`t in or will get back to me. I can`t seem to win

[Guest guest]

I am in Binghamton Ny { near Syracuse Ny }quite away from alot of you

[Guest guest]

I am in Binghamton Ny { near Syracuse Ny }quite away from alot of you

[Guest guest]

I am in Binghamton Ny { near Syracuse Ny }quite away from alot of you

[Guest guest]

Hi my please let me add my 2cents and hope that this

advice helps. I am going to school to be a paralegal

so this is familiar to me. In the state of Ind the

court will consider a childs wishes at the age of 14.

You may want to check into what your states laws are

concerning this. Your second option is to go to the

court and ask for them to assign a child advocate. The

advocate acts on the childs best interest only and

will advise the court as to the best placement for the

child or whatever the case may be. The only

disadvantages to this are that it is time consuming

while the advocate spends time with the child

investigating and it can be a little more expenseive.

I hope that this helps you. Love Torranp

--- blondie_alyssa wrote:

> Kar,

> Here the age is 12 also, but most of the judges

> around will

> start taking the kids choices into consideration at

> around 9 or 10.

> I really think that the children should have a

> choice on where they

> want to live at any age. That is as long as neither

> parent is

> abusive. At that point, I think that the judge

> should take it into

> his/her hands.

> I think that it's terrible how people use child

> protective

> services now. The people that they need to be

> investigated never

> are. The ones who try to be good parents and bring

> their kid up

> right are always the first ones that they bother.

> I'm sorry. I know that this is extremely hard

> on you. I would

> die if I didn't have my kids. They literally drive

> me insain at

> times, but I love them. They are my life. I

> wouldn't trade them in

> for anything.

> Hugs and Blessings,

> H.

>

>

> > Here the age is 12, and trust me.....He is

> counting the

> days.....The other

> > ones are way too young yet. I recently found out

> that their

> babysitter.....a

> > retired pre-school teacher has been slappng them

> in the face and

> pulling the

> > boys by their ears....I called child abuse and our

> local

> police......and

> > because the father agrees ith the punishment,

> there isn`t a thing

> i can do

> > until she leaves a mark or ruptures their eardrum,

> sad isn`t it?

> But yet when

> > my 10 yr old was 6 i let him wear the baggy

> clothes { the in

> style } not

> > hanging off his butt....i don`t believe in that

> and i got child

> abuse called

> > and they came to investigate, tell me how that

> compares to

> slapping and

> > pulling ears. I`m so at loss......My hands are

> tied, there isn`t

> a thing i

> > can do till they all reach 12......And it seems

> like forever, plus

> i lose all

> > these years in beteen.

> > Kar

> >

> > Thanks for listening

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi my please let me add my 2cents and hope that this

advice helps. I am going to school to be a paralegal

so this is familiar to me. In the state of Ind the

court will consider a childs wishes at the age of 14.

You may want to check into what your states laws are

concerning this. Your second option is to go to the

court and ask for them to assign a child advocate. The

advocate acts on the childs best interest only and

will advise the court as to the best placement for the

child or whatever the case may be. The only

disadvantages to this are that it is time consuming

while the advocate spends time with the child

investigating and it can be a little more expenseive.

I hope that this helps you. Love Torranp

--- blondie_alyssa wrote:

> Kar,

> Here the age is 12 also, but most of the judges

> around will

> start taking the kids choices into consideration at

> around 9 or 10.

> I really think that the children should have a

> choice on where they

> want to live at any age. That is as long as neither

> parent is

> abusive. At that point, I think that the judge

> should take it into

> his/her hands.

> I think that it's terrible how people use child

> protective

> services now. The people that they need to be

> investigated never

> are. The ones who try to be good parents and bring

> their kid up

> right are always the first ones that they bother.

> I'm sorry. I know that this is extremely hard

> on you. I would

> die if I didn't have my kids. They literally drive

> me insain at

> times, but I love them. They are my life. I

> wouldn't trade them in

> for anything.

> Hugs and Blessings,

> H.

>

>

> > Here the age is 12, and trust me.....He is

> counting the

> days.....The other

> > ones are way too young yet. I recently found out

> that their

> babysitter.....a

> > retired pre-school teacher has been slappng them

> in the face and

> pulling the

> > boys by their ears....I called child abuse and our

> local

> police......and

> > because the father agrees ith the punishment,

> there isn`t a thing

> i can do

> > until she leaves a mark or ruptures their eardrum,

> sad isn`t it?

> But yet when

> > my 10 yr old was 6 i let him wear the baggy

> clothes { the in

> style } not

> > hanging off his butt....i don`t believe in that

> and i got child

> abuse called

> > and they came to investigate, tell me how that

> compares to

> slapping and

> > pulling ears. I`m so at loss......My hands are

> tied, there isn`t

> a thing i

> > can do till they all reach 12......And it seems

> like forever, plus

> i lose all

> > these years in beteen.

> > Kar

> >

> > Thanks for listening

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi my please let me add my 2cents and hope that this

advice helps. I am going to school to be a paralegal

so this is familiar to me. In the state of Ind the

court will consider a childs wishes at the age of 14.

You may want to check into what your states laws are

concerning this. Your second option is to go to the

court and ask for them to assign a child advocate. The

advocate acts on the childs best interest only and

will advise the court as to the best placement for the

child or whatever the case may be. The only

disadvantages to this are that it is time consuming

while the advocate spends time with the child

investigating and it can be a little more expenseive.

I hope that this helps you. Love Torranp

--- blondie_alyssa wrote:

> Kar,

> Here the age is 12 also, but most of the judges

> around will

> start taking the kids choices into consideration at

> around 9 or 10.

> I really think that the children should have a

> choice on where they

> want to live at any age. That is as long as neither

> parent is

> abusive. At that point, I think that the judge

> should take it into

> his/her hands.

> I think that it's terrible how people use child

> protective

> services now. The people that they need to be

> investigated never

> are. The ones who try to be good parents and bring

> their kid up

> right are always the first ones that they bother.

> I'm sorry. I know that this is extremely hard

> on you. I would

> die if I didn't have my kids. They literally drive

> me insain at

> times, but I love them. They are my life. I

> wouldn't trade them in

> for anything.

> Hugs and Blessings,

> H.

>

>

> > Here the age is 12, and trust me.....He is

> counting the

> days.....The other

> > ones are way too young yet. I recently found out

> that their

> babysitter.....a

> > retired pre-school teacher has been slappng them

> in the face and

> pulling the

> > boys by their ears....I called child abuse and our

> local

> police......and

> > because the father agrees ith the punishment,

> there isn`t a thing

> i can do

> > until she leaves a mark or ruptures their eardrum,

> sad isn`t it?

> But yet when

> > my 10 yr old was 6 i let him wear the baggy

> clothes { the in

> style } not

> > hanging off his butt....i don`t believe in that

> and i got child

> abuse called

> > and they came to investigate, tell me how that

> compares to

> slapping and

> > pulling ears. I`m so at loss......My hands are

> tied, there isn`t

> a thing i

> > can do till they all reach 12......And it seems

> like forever, plus

> i lose all

> > these years in beteen.

> > Kar

> >

> > Thanks for listening

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Torran, I was wondering what part of IN you are in? I just moved from

sville, to Radcliff, Ky. Was just wondering..thanks, Jodi

torran porter wrote:Hi my please let me add my 2cents and hope that this

advice helps. I am going to school to be a paralegal

so this is familiar to me. In the state of Ind the

court will consider a childs wishes at the age of 14.

You may want to check into what your states laws are

concerning this. Your second option is to go to the

court and ask for them to assign a child advocate. The

advocate acts on the childs best interest only and

will advise the court as to the best placement for the

child or whatever the case may be. The only

disadvantages to this are that it is time consuming

while the advocate spends time with the child

investigating and it can be a little more expenseive.

I hope that this helps you. Love Torranp

--- blondie_alyssa wrote:

> Kar,

> Here the age is 12 also, but most of the judges

> around will

> start taking the kids choices into consideration at

> around 9 or 10.

> I really think that the children should have a

> choice on where they

> want to live at any age. That is as long as neither

> parent is

> abusive. At that point, I think that the judge

> should take it into

> his/her hands.

> I think that it's terrible how people use child

> protective

> services now. The people that they need to be

> investigated never

> are. The ones who try to be good parents and bring

> their kid up

> right are always the first ones that they bother.

> I'm sorry. I know that this is extremely hard

> on you. I would

> die if I didn't have my kids. They literally drive

> me insain at

> times, but I love them. They are my life. I

> wouldn't trade them in

> for anything.

> Hugs and Blessings,

> H.

>

>

> > Here the age is 12, and trust me.....He is

> counting the

> days.....The other

> > ones are way too young yet. I recently found out

> that their

> babysitter.....a

> > retired pre-school teacher has been slappng them

> in the face and

> pulling the

> > boys by their ears....I called child abuse and our

> local

> police......and

> > because the father agrees ith the punishment,

> there isn`t a thing

> i can do

> > until she leaves a mark or ruptures their eardrum,

> sad isn`t it?

> But yet when

> > my 10 yr old was 6 i let him wear the baggy

> clothes { the in

> style } not

> > hanging off his butt....i don`t believe in that

> and i got child

> abuse called

> > and they came to investigate, tell me how that

> compares to

> slapping and

> > pulling ears. I`m so at loss......My hands are

> tied, there isn`t

> a thing i

> > can do till they all reach 12......And it seems

> like forever, plus

> i lose all

> > these years in beteen.

> > Kar

> >

> > Thanks for listening

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Torran, I was wondering what part of IN you are in? I just moved from

sville, to Radcliff, Ky. Was just wondering..thanks, Jodi

torran porter wrote:Hi my please let me add my 2cents and hope that this

advice helps. I am going to school to be a paralegal

so this is familiar to me. In the state of Ind the

court will consider a childs wishes at the age of 14.

You may want to check into what your states laws are

concerning this. Your second option is to go to the

court and ask for them to assign a child advocate. The

advocate acts on the childs best interest only and

will advise the court as to the best placement for the

child or whatever the case may be. The only

disadvantages to this are that it is time consuming

while the advocate spends time with the child

investigating and it can be a little more expenseive.

I hope that this helps you. Love Torranp

--- blondie_alyssa wrote:

> Kar,

> Here the age is 12 also, but most of the judges

> around will

> start taking the kids choices into consideration at

> around 9 or 10.

> I really think that the children should have a

> choice on where they

> want to live at any age. That is as long as neither

> parent is

> abusive. At that point, I think that the judge

> should take it into

> his/her hands.

> I think that it's terrible how people use child

> protective

> services now. The people that they need to be

> investigated never

> are. The ones who try to be good parents and bring

> their kid up

> right are always the first ones that they bother.

> I'm sorry. I know that this is extremely hard

> on you. I would

> die if I didn't have my kids. They literally drive

> me insain at

> times, but I love them. They are my life. I

> wouldn't trade them in

> for anything.

> Hugs and Blessings,

> H.

>

>

> > Here the age is 12, and trust me.....He is

> counting the

> days.....The other

> > ones are way too young yet. I recently found out

> that their

> babysitter.....a

> > retired pre-school teacher has been slappng them

> in the face and

> pulling the

> > boys by their ears....I called child abuse and our

> local

> police......and

> > because the father agrees ith the punishment,

> there isn`t a thing

> i can do

> > until she leaves a mark or ruptures their eardrum,

> sad isn`t it?

> But yet when

> > my 10 yr old was 6 i let him wear the baggy

> clothes { the in

> style } not

> > hanging off his butt....i don`t believe in that

> and i got child

> abuse called

> > and they came to investigate, tell me how that

> compares to

> slapping and

> > pulling ears. I`m so at loss......My hands are

> tied, there isn`t

> a thing i

> > can do till they all reach 12......And it seems

> like forever, plus

> i lose all

> > these years in beteen.

> > Kar

> >

> > Thanks for listening

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I live in Indianapolis in Pike township if you are

familiar with that side of town

--- jodi edwards wrote:

>

> Hi Torran, I was wondering what part of IN you are

> in? I just moved from sville, to Radcliff,

> Ky. Was just wondering..thanks, Jodi

> torran porter wrote:Hi my please let me add my

> 2cents and hope that this

> advice helps. I am going to school to be a paralegal

> so this is familiar to me. In the state of Ind the

> court will consider a childs wishes at the age of

> 14.

> You may want to check into what your states laws are

> concerning this. Your second option is to go to the

> court and ask for them to assign a child advocate.

> The

> advocate acts on the childs best interest only and

> will advise the court as to the best placement for

> the

> child or whatever the case may be. The only

> disadvantages to this are that it is time consuming

> while the advocate spends time with the child

> investigating and it can be a little more

> expenseive.

> I hope that this helps you. Love Torranp

> --- blondie_alyssa wrote:

> > Kar,

> > Here the age is 12 also, but most of the

> judges

> > around will

> > start taking the kids choices into consideration

> at

> > around 9 or 10.

> > I really think that the children should have a

> > choice on where they

> > want to live at any age. That is as long as

> neither

> > parent is

> > abusive. At that point, I think that the judge

> > should take it into

> > his/her hands.

> > I think that it's terrible how people use

> child

> > protective

> > services now. The people that they need to be

> > investigated never

> > are. The ones who try to be good parents and

> bring

> > their kid up

> > right are always the first ones that they bother.

>

> > I'm sorry. I know that this is extremely

> hard

> > on you. I would

> > die if I didn't have my kids. They literally

> drive

> > me insain at

> > times, but I love them. They are my life. I

> > wouldn't trade them in

> > for anything.

> > Hugs and Blessings,

> > H.

> >

> >

> > > Here the age is 12, and trust me.....He is

> > counting the

> > days.....The other

> > > ones are way too young yet. I recently found out

> > that their

> > babysitter.....a

> > > retired pre-school teacher has been slappng them

> > in the face and

> > pulling the

> > > boys by their ears....I called child abuse and

> our

> > local

> > police......and

> > > because the father agrees ith the punishment,

> > there isn`t a thing

> > i can do

> > > until she leaves a mark or ruptures their

> eardrum,

> > sad isn`t it?

> > But yet when

> > > my 10 yr old was 6 i let him wear the baggy

> > clothes { the in

> > style } not

> > > hanging off his butt....i don`t believe in that

> > and i got child

> > abuse called

> > > and they came to investigate, tell me how that

> > compares to

> > slapping and

> > > pulling ears. I`m so at loss......My hands are

> > tied, there isn`t

> > a thing i

> > > can do till they all reach 12......And it seems

> > like forever, plus

> > i lose all

> > > these years in beteen.

> > > Kar

> > >

> > > Thanks for listening

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I livein Indianapolis, on the eastside, Warren Township, Small

world! Tracie

> > > > Here the age is 12, and trust me.....He is

> > > counting the

> > > days.....The other

> > > > ones are way too young yet. I recently found out

> > > that their

> > > babysitter.....a

> > > > retired pre-school teacher has been slappng them

> > > in the face and

> > > pulling the

> > > > boys by their ears....I called child abuse and

> > our

> > > local

> > > police......and

> > > > because the father agrees ith the punishment,

> > > there isn`t a thing

> > > i can do

> > > > until she leaves a mark or ruptures their

> > eardrum,

> > > sad isn`t it?

> > > But yet when

> > > > my 10 yr old was 6 i let him wear the baggy

> > > clothes { the in

> > > style } not

> > > > hanging off his butt....i don`t believe in that

> > > and i got child

> > > abuse called

> > > > and they came to investigate, tell me how that

> > > compares to

> > > slapping and

> > > > pulling ears. I`m so at loss......My hands are

> > > tied, there isn`t

> > > a thing i

> > > > can do till they all reach 12......And it seems

> > > like forever, plus

> > > i lose all

> > > > these years in beteen.

> > > > Kar

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for listening

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

I livein Indianapolis, on the eastside, Warren Township, Small

world! Tracie

> > > > Here the age is 12, and trust me.....He is

> > > counting the

> > > days.....The other

> > > > ones are way too young yet. I recently found out

> > > that their

> > > babysitter.....a

> > > > retired pre-school teacher has been slappng them

> > > in the face and

> > > pulling the

> > > > boys by their ears....I called child abuse and

> > our

> > > local

> > > police......and

> > > > because the father agrees ith the punishment,

> > > there isn`t a thing

> > > i can do

> > > > until she leaves a mark or ruptures their

> > eardrum,

> > > sad isn`t it?

> > > But yet when

> > > > my 10 yr old was 6 i let him wear the baggy

> > > clothes { the in

> > > style } not

> > > > hanging off his butt....i don`t believe in that

> > > and i got child

> > > abuse called

> > > > and they came to investigate, tell me how that

> > > compares to

> > > slapping and

> > > > pulling ears. I`m so at loss......My hands are

> > > tied, there isn`t

> > > a thing i

> > > > can do till they all reach 12......And it seems

> > > like forever, plus

> > > i lose all

> > > > these years in beteen.

> > > > Kar

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for listening

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

I livein Indianapolis, on the eastside, Warren Township, Small

world! Tracie

> > > > Here the age is 12, and trust me.....He is

> > > counting the

> > > days.....The other

> > > > ones are way too young yet. I recently found out

> > > that their

> > > babysitter.....a

> > > > retired pre-school teacher has been slappng them

> > > in the face and

> > > pulling the

> > > > boys by their ears....I called child abuse and

> > our

> > > local

> > > police......and

> > > > because the father agrees ith the punishment,

> > > there isn`t a thing

> > > i can do

> > > > until she leaves a mark or ruptures their

> > eardrum,

> > > sad isn`t it?

> > > But yet when

> > > > my 10 yr old was 6 i let him wear the baggy

> > > clothes { the in

> > > style } not

> > > > hanging off his butt....i don`t believe in that

> > > and i got child

> > > abuse called

> > > > and they came to investigate, tell me how that

> > > compares to

> > > slapping and

> > > > pulling ears. I`m so at loss......My hands are

> > > tied, there isn`t

> > > a thing i

> > > > can do till they all reach 12......And it seems

> > > like forever, plus

> > > i lose all

> > > > these years in beteen.

> > > > Kar

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for listening

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Im not real familiar, is that on the east or west side? I used to live on the

west side. on Washington st.

torran porter wrote:I live in Indianapolis in Pike township if you are

familiar with that side of town

--- jodi edwards wrote:

>

> Hi Torran, I was wondering what part of IN you are

> in? I just moved from sville, to Radcliff,

> Ky. Was just wondering..thanks, Jodi

> torran porter wrote:Hi my please let me add my

> 2cents and hope that this

> advice helps. I am going to school to be a paralegal

> so this is familiar to me. In the state of Ind the

> court will consider a childs wishes at the age of

> 14.

> You may want to check into what your states laws are

> concerning this. Your second option is to go to the

> court and ask for them to assign a child advocate.

> The

> advocate acts on the childs best interest only and

> will advise the court as to the best placement for

> the

> child or whatever the case may be. The only

> disadvantages to this are that it is time consuming

> while the advocate spends time with the child

> investigating and it can be a little more

> expenseive.

> I hope that this helps you. Love Torranp

> --- blondie_alyssa wrote:

> > Kar,

> > Here the age is 12 also, but most of the

> judges

> > around will

> > start taking the kids choices into consideration

> at

> > around 9 or 10.

> > I really think that the children should have a

> > choice on where they

> > want to live at any age. That is as long as

> neither

> > parent is

> > abusive. At that point, I think that the judge

> > should take it into

> > his/her hands.

> > I think that it's terrible how people use

> child

> > protective

> > services now. The people that they need to be

> > investigated never

> > are. The ones who try to be good parents and

> bring

> > their kid up

> > right are always the first ones that they bother.

>

> > I'm sorry. I know that this is extremely

> hard

> > on you. I would

> > die if I didn't have my kids. They literally

> drive

> > me insain at

> > times, but I love them. They are my life. I

> > wouldn't trade them in

> > for anything.

> > Hugs and Blessings,

> > H.

> >

> >

> > > Here the age is 12, and trust me.....He is

> > counting the

> > days.....The other

> > > ones are way too young yet. I recently found out

> > that their

> > babysitter.....a

> > > retired pre-school teacher has been slappng them

> > in the face and

> > pulling the

> > > boys by their ears....I called child abuse and

> our

> > local

> > police......and

> > > because the father agrees ith the punishment,

> > there isn`t a thing

> > i can do

> > > until she leaves a mark or ruptures their

> eardrum,

> > sad isn`t it?

> > But yet when

> > > my 10 yr old was 6 i let him wear the baggy

> > clothes { the in

> > style } not

> > > hanging off his butt....i don`t believe in that

> > and i got child

> > abuse called

> > > and they came to investigate, tell me how that

> > compares to

> > slapping and

> > > pulling ears. I`m so at loss......My hands are

> > tied, there isn`t

> > a thing i

> > > can do till they all reach 12......And it seems

> > like forever, plus

> > i lose all

> > > these years in beteen.

> > > Kar

> > >

> > > Thanks for listening

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Im not real familiar, is that on the east or west side? I used to live on the

west side. on Washington st.

torran porter wrote:I live in Indianapolis in Pike township if you are

familiar with that side of town

--- jodi edwards wrote:

>

> Hi Torran, I was wondering what part of IN you are

> in? I just moved from sville, to Radcliff,

> Ky. Was just wondering..thanks, Jodi

> torran porter wrote:Hi my please let me add my

> 2cents and hope that this

> advice helps. I am going to school to be a paralegal

> so this is familiar to me. In the state of Ind the

> court will consider a childs wishes at the age of

> 14.

> You may want to check into what your states laws are

> concerning this. Your second option is to go to the

> court and ask for them to assign a child advocate.

> The

> advocate acts on the childs best interest only and

> will advise the court as to the best placement for

> the

> child or whatever the case may be. The only

> disadvantages to this are that it is time consuming

> while the advocate spends time with the child

> investigating and it can be a little more

> expenseive.

> I hope that this helps you. Love Torranp

> --- blondie_alyssa wrote:

> > Kar,

> > Here the age is 12 also, but most of the

> judges

> > around will

> > start taking the kids choices into consideration

> at

> > around 9 or 10.

> > I really think that the children should have a

> > choice on where they

> > want to live at any age. That is as long as

> neither

> > parent is

> > abusive. At that point, I think that the judge

> > should take it into

> > his/her hands.

> > I think that it's terrible how people use

> child

> > protective

> > services now. The people that they need to be

> > investigated never

> > are. The ones who try to be good parents and

> bring

> > their kid up

> > right are always the first ones that they bother.

>

> > I'm sorry. I know that this is extremely

> hard

> > on you. I would

> > die if I didn't have my kids. They literally

> drive

> > me insain at

> > times, but I love them. They are my life. I

> > wouldn't trade them in

> > for anything.

> > Hugs and Blessings,

> > H.

> >

> >

> > > Here the age is 12, and trust me.....He is

> > counting the

> > days.....The other

> > > ones are way too young yet. I recently found out

> > that their

> > babysitter.....a

> > > retired pre-school teacher has been slappng them

> > in the face and

> > pulling the

> > > boys by their ears....I called child abuse and

> our

> > local

> > police......and

> > > because the father agrees ith the punishment,

> > there isn`t a thing

> > i can do

> > > until she leaves a mark or ruptures their

> eardrum,

> > sad isn`t it?

> > But yet when

> > > my 10 yr old was 6 i let him wear the baggy

> > clothes { the in

> > style } not

> > > hanging off his butt....i don`t believe in that

> > and i got child

> > abuse called

> > > and they came to investigate, tell me how that

> > compares to

> > slapping and

> > > pulling ears. I`m so at loss......My hands are

> > tied, there isn`t

> > a thing i

> > > can do till they all reach 12......And it seems

> > like forever, plus

> > i lose all

> > > these years in beteen.

> > > Kar

> > >

> > > Thanks for listening

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>