Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Posted August 26, 2004 Sue, thank you for the encouragement, it helps. I'm sorry to hear that you've been misdiagnosed and ignored by docs, seems to happen too often with this problem. I just got off the phone with my new G.P., I like her but she's not really very thorough. Good news, she will change my script from Synthroid to Armor, hopefully that will help me start feeling better. Bad news, she discounted my questions about adrenal fatigue, I told her I have soooo many symptoms, but she said my potassium and sodium blood levels were normal so it's unlikely that my adrenals are a problem. She agreed to give me a cortisol blood test, but I'm told those are worthless. I asked her if I should take adrenal supplements and she said absolutely not to...this leaves me with a dilimmea as I'm so tempted to try them since I feel so crappy... I asked for a free T4, she said fine, I asked for a free T3 and she said that it won't tell us anything because T4 is what the body " uses. " I told her that I'd read that T4 must first be conveted to T3 for the body to use and she told me " it's just the opposite. " In the words of Mugato from Zoolander, " I feel like I'm taking crazy pills! " Alas, at least I get to try Armor and pray for the best. Jill -- In The_Thyroid_Support_Group , " Sue " <dance4joy7@h...> wrote: > Hi Jill > > Hang in there! Things will get better! > > Yes I am fortunate to have such a wonderful boss! She let me just > work at my own pace (she knows usually I work like someone has a > whip at my back LOL) which helped a lot. > > As I posted elsewhere my surgeon just told me that because my TSH > levels show normal none of the symptoms I had would have been caused > by the thyroid stuff and it may have been depression..... > ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH... in spite of the fact that here > 4 weeks after surgery I already feel MUCH better! > > Oh well one thing for sure, if I continue to have any symptoms I > WILL pursue it with my primary care physician... she is great!! > > Sue Quote
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Posted August 26, 2004 This doc has no business treating even a rats thyroid. Incredible. GP's are not a very good choice to have treat you thyroid. Osteopaths have the best track records. Also you can have an adrenal probelm (low cortisol) without the high potassium and low sodium blood levels. Shes thinking 's disease. She has no idea you test and treat the adrenals first. Osteopaths also have the best track records treating the adrenals. Good luck, Chris > > Hi Jill > > > > Hang in there! Things will get better! > > > > Yes I am fortunate to have such a wonderful boss! She let me just > > work at my own pace (she knows usually I work like someone has a > > whip at my back LOL) which helped a lot. > > > > As I posted elsewhere my surgeon just told me that because my TSH > > levels show normal none of the symptoms I had would have been > caused > > by the thyroid stuff and it may have been depression..... > > ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH... in spite of the fact that > here > > 4 weeks after surgery I already feel MUCH better! > > > > Oh well one thing for sure, if I continue to have any symptoms I > > WILL pursue it with my primary care physician... she is great!! > > > > Sue Quote
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Posted August 26, 2004 that line totally cracked me up! I have to switch to no mail for the weekend to avoid potential emails bouncing but I can't wait to sign in on Monday! Peg ----- Original Message ----- From: This doc has no business treating even a rats thyroid. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Posted August 27, 2004 Sigh..... T4 is the main hormone produced by the gland, it's the STORAGE hormone. It is converted at the cellular level, throughout the body into active hormones - T3, T2 and T1 for use by the body. She's got it backwards. You NEED to have your Free T3 levels tested to determine how well your body is converting. You can have high levels of T4 and low TSH and be a poor converter and still be suffering from all kinds of hypo symptoms and feeling like death warmed over... you NEED to know how you are converting and dose accordingly.. that is with either the proper thyroid meds (for some that may be synthetic T4 WITH synthetic T3) or supporting your bodies conversion by adding selenium to your diet and eating regularly. Did you know that skipping meals can actually affect your conversion? Yep.... Two of the best and simplest things to help your conversion is starting mini meals and adding selenium..... For some of us, like me, that still isnt' enough.. I have to multi-dose my thyroid.. Taking the first dose as I wake, that last dose as I crawl into bed, the remaining spaced out evenly in between. Did you know that there are simple tests that you can take at home, monitoring yourself, charting the results, to see what your body is doing, how it is reacting, judging how well your body is doing on your meds? To keep track of what is going on between labs, track how Hashi's may be shifting.... All that fun stuff? Yep... here's a bit more info on it: www.thyrophoenix.com/self_monitor.htm There is a lot to learn about all of this, and it can get confusing.. but then, that is what we are here for. To each other to learn, to understand and to remind each other how it works when we get confused. After all, one of the lovely symptoms with all of this is brain fog... brain farts... you know you know it... but it won't come out to the section of your brain where you can see it..... So never be afraid to ask for a reminder.... But after being teased yesterday... maybe, just maybe, my mental block for remembering the name Thyrolar is finally been smashed. Now I'm going to work on remember the test subjects involved in determining 'normal ranges'!!!! hehehehehehe Now... adrenal fatigue... I've heard a great many docs, not understanding it, won't do any testing until you are at deaths door..... Well... all I have to say to that is that I've been treating myself for adrenal fatigue since February of 2003 and I'm doing a LOT LOT LOT better than I did before... Topper () On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:08:28 -0000 "Jill" writes: Sue, thank you for the encouragement, it helps. I'm sorry to hear that you've been misdiagnosed and ignored by docs, seems to happen too often with this problem. I just got off the phone with my new G.P., I like her but she's not really very thorough. Good news, she will change my script from Synthroid to Armor, hopefully that will help me start feeling better. Bad news, she discounted my questions about adrenal fatigue, I told her I have soooo many symptoms, but she said my potassium and sodium blood levels were normal so it's unlikely that my adrenals are a problem. She agreed to give me a cortisol blood test, but I'm told those are worthless. I asked her if I should take adrenal supplements and she said absolutely not to...this leaves me with a dilimmea as I'm so tempted to try them since I feel so crappy...I asked for a free T4, she said fine, I asked for a free T3 and she said that it won't tell us anything because T4 is what the body "uses." I told her that I'd read that T4 must first be conveted to T3 for the body to use and she told me "it's just the opposite." In the words of Mugato from Zoolander, "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" Alas, at least I get to try Armor and pray for the best. Jill Quote
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Posted August 27, 2004 It's called " $ynthroid Hypnosis " theory. Big pharmaceutical hypnotizes doctor, doctor opens mouth and says " $ynthroid My Pet " . Then I go " Meowwwww " , scratch him, and leave, saying " Wrong Sandbox " . Re: dealing with doctors... > > --- Jill wrote: > > *****snip***** > > > I asked for a free T4, she said fine, I asked for a > > free T3 and she > > said that it won't tell us anything because T4 is > > what the > > body " uses. " I told her that I'd read that T4 must > > first be conveted > > to T3 for the body to use and she told me " it's just > > the opposite. " > > In the words of Mugato from Zoolander, " I feel like > > I'm taking crazy > > pills! " Alas, at least I get to try Armor and pray > > for the best. > > > > Jill > > My doc tried to tell me the same thing, but I made > sure I knew what I was talking about and set him > straight. Sounds like they may have some faulty > textbooks out there. > > > ===== > Kathy >^,,^< > Quote
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Posted August 27, 2004 It's called " $ynthroid Hypnosis " theory. Big pharmaceutical hypnotizes doctor, doctor opens mouth and says " $ynthroid My Pet " . Then I go " Meowwwww " , scratch him, and leave, saying " Wrong Sandbox " . Re: dealing with doctors... > > --- Jill wrote: > > *****snip***** > > > I asked for a free T4, she said fine, I asked for a > > free T3 and she > > said that it won't tell us anything because T4 is > > what the > > body " uses. " I told her that I'd read that T4 must > > first be conveted > > to T3 for the body to use and she told me " it's just > > the opposite. " > > In the words of Mugato from Zoolander, " I feel like > > I'm taking crazy > > pills! " Alas, at least I get to try Armor and pray > > for the best. > > > > Jill > > My doc tried to tell me the same thing, but I made > sure I knew what I was talking about and set him > straight. Sounds like they may have some faulty > textbooks out there. > > > ===== > Kathy >^,,^< > Quote
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Posted August 27, 2004 Good one, !!! *giggles* Topper () On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:08:17 -0500 " " writes: It's called "$ynthroid Hypnosis" theory. Big pharmaceutical hypnotizesdoctor, doctor opens mouth and says "$ynthroid My Pet". Then I go"Meowwwww", scratch him, and leave, saying "Wrong Sandbox". Quote
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Posted August 27, 2004 Good one, !!! *giggles* Topper () On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:08:17 -0500 " " writes: It's called "$ynthroid Hypnosis" theory. Big pharmaceutical hypnotizesdoctor, doctor opens mouth and says "$ynthroid My Pet". Then I go"Meowwwww", scratch him, and leave, saying "Wrong Sandbox". Quote
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Posted August 27, 2004 Good one, !!! *giggles* Topper () On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:08:17 -0500 " " writes: It's called "$ynthroid Hypnosis" theory. Big pharmaceutical hypnotizesdoctor, doctor opens mouth and says "$ynthroid My Pet". Then I go"Meowwwww", scratch him, and leave, saying "Wrong Sandbox". Quote
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2004 Report Posted August 29, 2004 Scary thought, isn't it? I think a few of mine were in the bottom 10%!!! hehehehehe Topper () On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Jan writes: Just remember that 50% of all doctors graduated in the lower half of their class. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2004 Report Posted August 29, 2004 Scary thought, isn't it? I think a few of mine were in the bottom 10%!!! hehehehehe Topper () On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Jan writes: Just remember that 50% of all doctors graduated in the lower half of their class. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2004 Report Posted August 29, 2004 Scary thought, isn't it? I think a few of mine were in the bottom 10%!!! hehehehehe Topper () On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Jan writes: Just remember that 50% of all doctors graduated in the lower half of their class. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2004 Report Posted August 30, 2004 Me too me too! My doc is an endocrinologist, but he is old school and if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I am looking for a naturalist or at least a nurtritionist to help me in aspects he doesn't and can't. I'd love to find all this in one doc in my area! Deanna > MD and DO are the particular degrees a doctor can have. An osteopath (DO) can have any specialty. The main difference is in their basic training and outlook. DOs tend to place more weight on clinical symptoms, although they also run tests. They also tend to be more naturalistic or holistic in their approach. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2004 Report Posted August 30, 2004 But noone's paying us for being in the lower 50% of our class. Especially when medical care is so expensive, and our lives are at stake here. Re: dealing with doctors... > > But so did 50% of us. <G> > > -- In The_Thyroid_Support_Group , Jan > <texas_thyroid@y...> wrote: > > Just remember that 50% of all doctors graduated in the lower half > of their class. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2004 Report Posted August 31, 2004 Ain't that the truth... This is off topic... but I took the CompTIA A+ exam (computer geeky stuff) just about 4 years ago.. when it still meant something... now they have so many cheats out there so that folks can just memorize questions and answers and go pass the test even though they don't know a centronix port from IDE.. so now those of us who spent the money to take the exams as a measurement of our knowledge and expertise are looked down upon as if we are the same 'jokes' with no experience that took the test just to land a job. I still take pride in having passed mine... I have my certificate framed and sitting on my desk..... *end of tirade* Topper () On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:30:06 -0500 " " writes: But noone's paying us for being in the lower 50% of our class. Especiallywhen medical care is so expensive, and our lives are at stake here. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2004 Report Posted August 31, 2004 Yeh, especially one around the Greater Houston area! They're not dirt cheap though, hehe! Re: Re: dealing with doctors... MD and DO are the particular degrees a doctor can have. An osteopath (DO) can have any specialty. The main difference is in their basic training and outlook. DOs tend to place more weight on clinical symptoms, although they also run tests. They also tend to be more naturalistic or holistic in their approach. Many of them are GPs and Family Practitioners, but there are also OB-GYNs, internists, ENTs, etc. If you happen to hear of a DO endocrinologist, send me a telegram. . . . . Quote
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2004 Report Posted August 31, 2004 Cool! Re: Re: dealing with doctors... Ain't that the truth... This is off topic... but I took the CompTIA A+ exam (computer geeky stuff) just about 4 years ago.. when it still meant something... now they have so many cheats out there so that folks can just memorize questions and answers and go pass the test even though they don't know a centronix port from IDE.. so now those of us who spent the money to take the exams as a measurement of our knowledge and expertise are looked down upon as if we are the same 'jokes' with no experience that took the test just to land a job. I still take pride in having passed mine... I have my certificate framed and sitting on my desk..... *end of tirade* Topper () Quote
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2004 Report Posted August 31, 2004 Cool! Re: Re: dealing with doctors... Ain't that the truth... This is off topic... but I took the CompTIA A+ exam (computer geeky stuff) just about 4 years ago.. when it still meant something... now they have so many cheats out there so that folks can just memorize questions and answers and go pass the test even though they don't know a centronix port from IDE.. so now those of us who spent the money to take the exams as a measurement of our knowledge and expertise are looked down upon as if we are the same 'jokes' with no experience that took the test just to land a job. I still take pride in having passed mine... I have my certificate framed and sitting on my desk..... *end of tirade* Topper () Quote
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2004 Report Posted August 31, 2004 Cool! Re: Re: dealing with doctors... Ain't that the truth... This is off topic... but I took the CompTIA A+ exam (computer geeky stuff) just about 4 years ago.. when it still meant something... now they have so many cheats out there so that folks can just memorize questions and answers and go pass the test even though they don't know a centronix port from IDE.. so now those of us who spent the money to take the exams as a measurement of our knowledge and expertise are looked down upon as if we are the same 'jokes' with no experience that took the test just to land a job. I still take pride in having passed mine... I have my certificate framed and sitting on my desk..... *end of tirade* Topper () Quote
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2004 Report Posted September 5, 2004 Houston is probably the second worst major metropolitan area in Texas for finding a good thyroid doc of any kind. San is the worst. Austin has the most good ones. Good thyroid doc dirt cheap: Dr. Launius, ville, Texas. (north of DFW) Great thyroid doc expensive: Dr. Steve , Lubbock (where?), Texas. wrote: Yeh, especially one around the Greater Houston area! They're not dirt cheap though, hehe! Re: Re: dealing with doctors... MD and DO are the particular degrees a doctor can have. An osteopath (DO) can have any specialty. The main difference is in their basic training and outlook. DOs tend to place more weight on clinical symptoms, although they also run tests. They also tend to be more naturalistic or holistic in their approach. Many of them are GPs and Family Practitioners, but there are also OB-GYNs, internists, ENTs, etc. If you happen to hear of a DO endocrinologist, send me a telegram. . . . . jan in tx http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thyroid_Cancer_Texas/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Texas_Thyroid_Groups/ __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2004 Report Posted September 5, 2004 Houston is probably the second worst major metropolitan area in Texas for finding a good thyroid doc of any kind. San is the worst. Austin has the most good ones. Good thyroid doc dirt cheap: Dr. Launius, ville, Texas. (north of DFW) Great thyroid doc expensive: Dr. Steve , Lubbock (where?), Texas. wrote: Yeh, especially one around the Greater Houston area! They're not dirt cheap though, hehe! Re: Re: dealing with doctors... MD and DO are the particular degrees a doctor can have. An osteopath (DO) can have any specialty. The main difference is in their basic training and outlook. DOs tend to place more weight on clinical symptoms, although they also run tests. They also tend to be more naturalistic or holistic in their approach. Many of them are GPs and Family Practitioners, but there are also OB-GYNs, internists, ENTs, etc. If you happen to hear of a DO endocrinologist, send me a telegram. . . . . jan in tx http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thyroid_Cancer_Texas/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Texas_Thyroid_Groups/ __________________________________________________ Quote
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