RE: FW: physician ownership

[Guest guest]

Jim,

I have read comments on this issue and have spoken out little. You are

obviously very passionate about your stand on this issue although I feel I am

being a bit stereotyped by your comments. I feel like a loyal member of the

association and the profession of PT as a whole and because of where a person

decides to be employed is not a reflection of their loyalty to the profession,

not matter if it is a POPTS, hospital, nursing home, school, etc.

Not all physicians are the jerks like some of the comments on this list-serve

reflect, nor are the therapists. There is more than one side to the issue of

cherry picking, profiting, etc. I have seen the bad in POPTS, but this is the

exception. I have seen worse in some hospital organizations. Let us as a

profession and us as professionals put our energies into the wrong-doing,

without damaging the hardworking, honest professionals out there no matter the

practice setting.

I have friends who work in the POPTS setting, and they are good ethical

individuals. They support their profession, communities, and patients. Their

job supports their families. Everyone can probably point out unethical

practices of some physicians, PT's, OT's, whatever. I have witnessed poor

ethical practices by PT's in all practice settings including PT owned, hospital,

etc. That doesn't mean every therapist in that organization was unethical.

Hate the sin, not the sinner. Let's go after the wrongdoing not the entire

structure.

As to your comment on " his PT " ...It is difficult to say what people in a

particular community see you as. I have been a PT in a small community for a

long time, and people know I am a PT and have to ask which facility I work for.

They don't care otherwise, as long as you do a good job. I have earned the

respect in this community by doing a good job. I have worked in most all PT

environments including hospitals, POPTS, private practice, etc. Let's stop

condeming our fellow PT's. We are not solving anything this way.

Respectfully,

Matt Dvorak, PT

________________________________

From: PTManager on behalf of JIMDPT@...

Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 7:40 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Re: FW: physician ownership

Russ, Have you ever heard of hostages feeling kindly towards those who

captured them....

I applaud your focus on making sure the patient patient is taken care well,

however a few facts:

1. Your Orthopedists (do you own them?)have not lifted a finger to increase

payment for PT services, your profession has

2. Your orthopedists (do they split their professional fees with you as

well?)enjoy the image of owning something ... that probably pays for their

malpractice insurance, oh, and that something is you.

3. Your focus though needs to include the following

a. You own your license not them. Did you work hard for it? Are you

proud of it? You should be. Why are you sharing it for someone else's profit

that

benefits no one but themselves

b. You are not a member of the society of orthopedists, you are a member

of the society of physical therapists, your actions both clinically and in

business reflect on us all ... and that reflection we are saying is not good. Do

you think society looks at you as an independent licensed

professional... or " his P.T. "

c. Your responsibility to the profession needs to get a higher priority

than it appears to have now.

Jim Dunleavy PT, MS

, NJ

[Guest guest]

Jim,

I have read comments on this issue and have spoken out little. You are

obviously very passionate about your stand on this issue although I feel I am

being a bit stereotyped by your comments. I feel like a loyal member of the

association and the profession of PT as a whole and because of where a person

decides to be employed is not a reflection of their loyalty to the profession,

not matter if it is a POPTS, hospital, nursing home, school, etc.

Not all physicians are the jerks like some of the comments on this list-serve

reflect, nor are the therapists. There is more than one side to the issue of

cherry picking, profiting, etc. I have seen the bad in POPTS, but this is the

exception. I have seen worse in some hospital organizations. Let us as a

profession and us as professionals put our energies into the wrong-doing,

without damaging the hardworking, honest professionals out there no matter the

practice setting.

I have friends who work in the POPTS setting, and they are good ethical

individuals. They support their profession, communities, and patients. Their

job supports their families. Everyone can probably point out unethical

practices of some physicians, PT's, OT's, whatever. I have witnessed poor

ethical practices by PT's in all practice settings including PT owned, hospital,

etc. That doesn't mean every therapist in that organization was unethical.

Hate the sin, not the sinner. Let's go after the wrongdoing not the entire

structure.

As to your comment on " his PT " ...It is difficult to say what people in a

particular community see you as. I have been a PT in a small community for a

long time, and people know I am a PT and have to ask which facility I work for.

They don't care otherwise, as long as you do a good job. I have earned the

respect in this community by doing a good job. I have worked in most all PT

environments including hospitals, POPTS, private practice, etc. Let's stop

condeming our fellow PT's. We are not solving anything this way.

Respectfully,

Matt Dvorak, PT

________________________________

From: PTManager on behalf of JIMDPT@...

Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 7:40 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Re: FW: physician ownership

Russ, Have you ever heard of hostages feeling kindly towards those who

captured them....

I applaud your focus on making sure the patient patient is taken care well,

however a few facts:

1. Your Orthopedists (do you own them?)have not lifted a finger to increase

payment for PT services, your profession has

2. Your orthopedists (do they split their professional fees with you as

well?)enjoy the image of owning something ... that probably pays for their

malpractice insurance, oh, and that something is you.

3. Your focus though needs to include the following

a. You own your license not them. Did you work hard for it? Are you

proud of it? You should be. Why are you sharing it for someone else's profit

that

benefits no one but themselves

b. You are not a member of the society of orthopedists, you are a member

of the society of physical therapists, your actions both clinically and in

business reflect on us all ... and that reflection we are saying is not good. Do

you think society looks at you as an independent licensed

professional... or " his P.T. "

c. Your responsibility to the profession needs to get a higher priority

than it appears to have now.

Jim Dunleavy PT, MS

, NJ

[Guest guest]

Jim,

I have read comments on this issue and have spoken out little. You are

obviously very passionate about your stand on this issue although I feel I am

being a bit stereotyped by your comments. I feel like a loyal member of the

association and the profession of PT as a whole and because of where a person

decides to be employed is not a reflection of their loyalty to the profession,

not matter if it is a POPTS, hospital, nursing home, school, etc.

Not all physicians are the jerks like some of the comments on this list-serve

reflect, nor are the therapists. There is more than one side to the issue of

cherry picking, profiting, etc. I have seen the bad in POPTS, but this is the

exception. I have seen worse in some hospital organizations. Let us as a

profession and us as professionals put our energies into the wrong-doing,

without damaging the hardworking, honest professionals out there no matter the

practice setting.

I have friends who work in the POPTS setting, and they are good ethical

individuals. They support their profession, communities, and patients. Their

job supports their families. Everyone can probably point out unethical

practices of some physicians, PT's, OT's, whatever. I have witnessed poor

ethical practices by PT's in all practice settings including PT owned, hospital,

etc. That doesn't mean every therapist in that organization was unethical.

Hate the sin, not the sinner. Let's go after the wrongdoing not the entire

structure.

As to your comment on " his PT " ...It is difficult to say what people in a

particular community see you as. I have been a PT in a small community for a

long time, and people know I am a PT and have to ask which facility I work for.

They don't care otherwise, as long as you do a good job. I have earned the

respect in this community by doing a good job. I have worked in most all PT

environments including hospitals, POPTS, private practice, etc. Let's stop

condeming our fellow PT's. We are not solving anything this way.

Respectfully,

Matt Dvorak, PT

________________________________

From: PTManager on behalf of JIMDPT@...

Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 7:40 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Re: FW: physician ownership

Russ, Have you ever heard of hostages feeling kindly towards those who

captured them....

I applaud your focus on making sure the patient patient is taken care well,

however a few facts:

1. Your Orthopedists (do you own them?)have not lifted a finger to increase

payment for PT services, your profession has

2. Your orthopedists (do they split their professional fees with you as

well?)enjoy the image of owning something ... that probably pays for their

malpractice insurance, oh, and that something is you.

3. Your focus though needs to include the following

a. You own your license not them. Did you work hard for it? Are you

proud of it? You should be. Why are you sharing it for someone else's profit

that

benefits no one but themselves

b. You are not a member of the society of orthopedists, you are a member

of the society of physical therapists, your actions both clinically and in

business reflect on us all ... and that reflection we are saying is not good. Do

you think society looks at you as an independent licensed

professional... or " his P.T. "

c. Your responsibility to the profession needs to get a higher priority

than it appears to have now.

Jim Dunleavy PT, MS

, NJ

[Guest guest]

Matt,

I applaud your e-mail. No offense to you Jim - but you are way over the top

with your e-mail to Russ. You speak of " our profession " , yet your e-mail

completely lacks respect for the fellow PT. Passionate is one thing, but it is

not neccessary to be rude to other therapists that do an excellent job of

advocating for our profession by simply being great at what they do.

Matt Dvorak wrote:

Jim,

I have read comments on this issue and have spoken out little. You are obviously

very passionate about your stand on this issue although I feel I am being a bit

stereotyped by your comments. I feel like a loyal member of the association and

the profession of PT as a whole and because of where a person decides to be

employed is not a reflection of their loyalty to the profession, not matter if

it is a POPTS, hospital, nursing home, school, etc.

Not all physicians are the jerks like some of the comments on this list-serve

reflect, nor are the therapists. There is more than one side to the issue of

cherry picking, profiting, etc. I have seen the bad in POPTS, but this is the

exception. I have seen worse in some hospital organizations. Let us as a

profession and us as professionals put our energies into the wrong-doing,

without damaging the hardworking, honest professionals out there no matter the

practice setting.

I have friends who work in the POPTS setting, and they are good ethical

individuals. They support their profession, communities, and patients. Their job

supports their families. Everyone can probably point out unethical practices of

some physicians, PT's, OT's, whatever. I have witnessed poor ethical practices

by PT's in all practice settings including PT owned, hospital, etc. That doesn't

mean every therapist in that organization was unethical. Hate the sin, not the

sinner. Let's go after the wrongdoing not the entire structure.

As to your comment on " his PT " ...It is difficult to say what people in a

particular community see you as. I have been a PT in a small community for a

long time, and people know I am a PT and have to ask which facility I work for.

They don't care otherwise, as long as you do a good job. I have earned the

respect in this community by doing a good job. I have worked in most all PT

environments including hospitals, POPTS, private practice, etc. Let's stop

condeming our fellow PT's. We are not solving anything this way.

Respectfully,

Matt Dvorak, PT

________________________________

From: PTManager on behalf of JIMDPT@...

Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 7:40 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Re: FW: physician ownership

Russ, Have you ever heard of hostages feeling kindly towards those who

captured them....

I applaud your focus on making sure the patient patient is taken care well,

however a few facts:

1. Your Orthopedists (do you own them?)have not lifted a finger to increase

payment for PT services, your profession has

2. Your orthopedists (do they split their professional fees with you as

well?)enjoy the image of owning something ... that probably pays for their

malpractice insurance, oh, and that something is you.

3. Your focus though needs to include the following

a. You own your license not them. Did you work hard for it? Are you

proud of it? You should be. Why are you sharing it for someone else's profit

that

benefits no one but themselves

b. You are not a member of the society of orthopedists, you are a member

of the society of physical therapists, your actions both clinically and in

business reflect on us all ... and that reflection we are saying is not good. Do

you think society looks at you as an independent licensed

professional... or " his P.T. "

c. Your responsibility to the profession needs to get a higher priority

than it appears to have now.

Jim Dunleavy PT, MS

, NJ

[Guest guest]

Matt,

I applaud your e-mail. No offense to you Jim - but you are way over the top

with your e-mail to Russ. You speak of " our profession " , yet your e-mail

completely lacks respect for the fellow PT. Passionate is one thing, but it is

not neccessary to be rude to other therapists that do an excellent job of

advocating for our profession by simply being great at what they do.

Matt Dvorak wrote:

Jim,

I have read comments on this issue and have spoken out little. You are obviously

very passionate about your stand on this issue although I feel I am being a bit

stereotyped by your comments. I feel like a loyal member of the association and

the profession of PT as a whole and because of where a person decides to be

employed is not a reflection of their loyalty to the profession, not matter if

it is a POPTS, hospital, nursing home, school, etc.

Not all physicians are the jerks like some of the comments on this list-serve

reflect, nor are the therapists. There is more than one side to the issue of

cherry picking, profiting, etc. I have seen the bad in POPTS, but this is the

exception. I have seen worse in some hospital organizations. Let us as a

profession and us as professionals put our energies into the wrong-doing,

without damaging the hardworking, honest professionals out there no matter the

practice setting.

I have friends who work in the POPTS setting, and they are good ethical

individuals. They support their profession, communities, and patients. Their job

supports their families. Everyone can probably point out unethical practices of

some physicians, PT's, OT's, whatever. I have witnessed poor ethical practices

by PT's in all practice settings including PT owned, hospital, etc. That doesn't

mean every therapist in that organization was unethical. Hate the sin, not the

sinner. Let's go after the wrongdoing not the entire structure.

As to your comment on " his PT " ...It is difficult to say what people in a

particular community see you as. I have been a PT in a small community for a

long time, and people know I am a PT and have to ask which facility I work for.

They don't care otherwise, as long as you do a good job. I have earned the

respect in this community by doing a good job. I have worked in most all PT

environments including hospitals, POPTS, private practice, etc. Let's stop

condeming our fellow PT's. We are not solving anything this way.

Respectfully,

Matt Dvorak, PT

________________________________

From: PTManager on behalf of JIMDPT@...

Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 7:40 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Re: FW: physician ownership

Russ, Have you ever heard of hostages feeling kindly towards those who

captured them....

I applaud your focus on making sure the patient patient is taken care well,

however a few facts:

1. Your Orthopedists (do you own them?)have not lifted a finger to increase

payment for PT services, your profession has

2. Your orthopedists (do they split their professional fees with you as

well?)enjoy the image of owning something ... that probably pays for their

malpractice insurance, oh, and that something is you.

3. Your focus though needs to include the following

a. You own your license not them. Did you work hard for it? Are you

proud of it? You should be. Why are you sharing it for someone else's profit

that

benefits no one but themselves

b. You are not a member of the society of orthopedists, you are a member

of the society of physical therapists, your actions both clinically and in

business reflect on us all ... and that reflection we are saying is not good. Do

you think society looks at you as an independent licensed

professional... or " his P.T. "

c. Your responsibility to the profession needs to get a higher priority

than it appears to have now.

Jim Dunleavy PT, MS

, NJ

[Guest guest]

Matt,

I applaud your e-mail. No offense to you Jim - but you are way over the top

with your e-mail to Russ. You speak of " our profession " , yet your e-mail

completely lacks respect for the fellow PT. Passionate is one thing, but it is

not neccessary to be rude to other therapists that do an excellent job of

advocating for our profession by simply being great at what they do.

Matt Dvorak wrote:

Jim,

I have read comments on this issue and have spoken out little. You are obviously

very passionate about your stand on this issue although I feel I am being a bit

stereotyped by your comments. I feel like a loyal member of the association and

the profession of PT as a whole and because of where a person decides to be

employed is not a reflection of their loyalty to the profession, not matter if

it is a POPTS, hospital, nursing home, school, etc.

Not all physicians are the jerks like some of the comments on this list-serve

reflect, nor are the therapists. There is more than one side to the issue of

cherry picking, profiting, etc. I have seen the bad in POPTS, but this is the

exception. I have seen worse in some hospital organizations. Let us as a

profession and us as professionals put our energies into the wrong-doing,

without damaging the hardworking, honest professionals out there no matter the

practice setting.

I have friends who work in the POPTS setting, and they are good ethical

individuals. They support their profession, communities, and patients. Their job

supports their families. Everyone can probably point out unethical practices of

some physicians, PT's, OT's, whatever. I have witnessed poor ethical practices

by PT's in all practice settings including PT owned, hospital, etc. That doesn't

mean every therapist in that organization was unethical. Hate the sin, not the

sinner. Let's go after the wrongdoing not the entire structure.

As to your comment on " his PT " ...It is difficult to say what people in a

particular community see you as. I have been a PT in a small community for a

long time, and people know I am a PT and have to ask which facility I work for.

They don't care otherwise, as long as you do a good job. I have earned the

respect in this community by doing a good job. I have worked in most all PT

environments including hospitals, POPTS, private practice, etc. Let's stop

condeming our fellow PT's. We are not solving anything this way.

Respectfully,

Matt Dvorak, PT

________________________________

From: PTManager on behalf of JIMDPT@...

Sent: Thu 5/12/2005 7:40 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Re: FW: physician ownership

Russ, Have you ever heard of hostages feeling kindly towards those who

captured them....

I applaud your focus on making sure the patient patient is taken care well,

however a few facts:

1. Your Orthopedists (do you own them?)have not lifted a finger to increase

payment for PT services, your profession has

2. Your orthopedists (do they split their professional fees with you as

well?)enjoy the image of owning something ... that probably pays for their

malpractice insurance, oh, and that something is you.

3. Your focus though needs to include the following

a. You own your license not them. Did you work hard for it? Are you

proud of it? You should be. Why are you sharing it for someone else's profit

that

benefits no one but themselves

b. You are not a member of the society of orthopedists, you are a member

of the society of physical therapists, your actions both clinically and in

business reflect on us all ... and that reflection we are saying is not good. Do

you think society looks at you as an independent licensed

professional... or " his P.T. "

c. Your responsibility to the profession needs to get a higher priority

than it appears to have now.

Jim Dunleavy PT, MS

, NJ

[Guest guest]

Russ it comes to values. I would urge you to read more on the topic thru

your professional association and fully understand the negative impact POPTS

have on the image of the profession, the lack of support it gives to your

colleagues work in trying to gain a clear, unquestioned position in the health

care

service community, and frankly, that many of these types and for profit

types of practice environments are the antithesis of where this profession is

heading.

Naive, I can assure you I am not. Take long look at what you have wrote and

ask yourself where your decisions have benefitted the goals of your

profession

Jim Dunleavy Pt, MS

[Guest guest]

The Physical Therapy Profession MUST come out from " under doctors " by

becoming nation wide " open access " , not allow doctors to benefit from our

industry directly (NO POTPS), and move the PT degree to a DR. of Physical

Therapy level, for state licensing.

Otherwise we will have the physical medicine area blend into the doctors

arena, then reduced in value like the doctors reimbursements are today by

the ruthless and profiteering payors who's only goal is shareholder value.

Not the health of the public.

That's my stand, any other views?

Thanks,

Barker F. II

Clinical Director

Lakeway Aquatic Therapy & Wellness Center

P.O. Box 342348

1927 Lohmans Crossing, Suite 100

Austin, TX 78734

-Office Tel.

- Office Fax

- Mobile

www.lakewayaquatics.com

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Re: FW: physician ownership

Russ it comes to values. I would urge you to read more on the topic thru

your professional association and fully understand the negative impact POPTS

have on the image of the profession, the lack of support it gives to your

colleagues work in trying to gain a clear, unquestioned position in the

health care

service community, and frankly, that many of these types and for profit

types of practice environments are the antithesis of where this profession

is

heading.

Naive, I can assure you I am not. Take long look at what you have wrote and

ask yourself where your decisions have benefitted the goals of your

profession

Jim Dunleavy Pt, MS

[Guest guest]

The Physical Therapy Profession MUST come out from " under doctors " by

becoming nation wide " open access " , not allow doctors to benefit from our

industry directly (NO POTPS), and move the PT degree to a DR. of Physical

Therapy level, for state licensing.

Otherwise we will have the physical medicine area blend into the doctors

arena, then reduced in value like the doctors reimbursements are today by

the ruthless and profiteering payors who's only goal is shareholder value.

Not the health of the public.

That's my stand, any other views?

Thanks,

Barker F. II

Clinical Director

Lakeway Aquatic Therapy & Wellness Center

P.O. Box 342348

1927 Lohmans Crossing, Suite 100

Austin, TX 78734

-Office Tel.

- Office Fax

- Mobile

www.lakewayaquatics.com

This email and any files transmitted with it may contain PRVILEGED or

CONFIDENTIAL information and may be read or used only by the intended

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the number listed.

Re: FW: physician ownership

Russ it comes to values. I would urge you to read more on the topic thru

your professional association and fully understand the negative impact POPTS

have on the image of the profession, the lack of support it gives to your

colleagues work in trying to gain a clear, unquestioned position in the

health care

service community, and frankly, that many of these types and for profit

types of practice environments are the antithesis of where this profession

is

heading.

Naive, I can assure you I am not. Take long look at what you have wrote and

ask yourself where your decisions have benefitted the goals of your

profession

Jim Dunleavy Pt, MS

[Guest guest]

The Physical Therapy Profession MUST come out from " under doctors " by

becoming nation wide " open access " , not allow doctors to benefit from our

industry directly (NO POTPS), and move the PT degree to a DR. of Physical

Therapy level, for state licensing.

Otherwise we will have the physical medicine area blend into the doctors

arena, then reduced in value like the doctors reimbursements are today by

the ruthless and profiteering payors who's only goal is shareholder value.

Not the health of the public.

That's my stand, any other views?

Thanks,

Barker F. II

Clinical Director

Lakeway Aquatic Therapy & Wellness Center

P.O. Box 342348

1927 Lohmans Crossing, Suite 100

Austin, TX 78734

-Office Tel.

- Office Fax

- Mobile

www.lakewayaquatics.com

This email and any files transmitted with it may contain PRVILEGED or

CONFIDENTIAL information and may be read or used only by the intended

recipient. If you are not the intended recipient of the email or any of its

attachments, please be advised that you have received this email in error

and that any use, dissemination, distribution, forwarding, printing, or

copying of this email or any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you

have received this email in error, please immediately purge it and all

attachments and notify the sender by reply email or contact the sender at

the number listed.

Re: FW: physician ownership

Russ it comes to values. I would urge you to read more on the topic thru

your professional association and fully understand the negative impact POPTS

have on the image of the profession, the lack of support it gives to your

colleagues work in trying to gain a clear, unquestioned position in the

health care

service community, and frankly, that many of these types and for profit

types of practice environments are the antithesis of where this profession

is

heading.

Naive, I can assure you I am not. Take long look at what you have wrote and

ask yourself where your decisions have benefitted the goals of your

profession

Jim Dunleavy Pt, MS

[Guest guest]

" The Physical Therapy Profession MUST come out from " under doctors " by

becoming nation wide " open access " , not allow doctors to benefit from our

industry directly (NO POTPS)... "

Barker;

I, of course, agree with this point. I would like to ask you, however,

whether you agree that only PTs should own a PT practice?

Ken Mailly, PT

Mailly & Inglett Consulting, LLC

Tel. 973 692-0033

Fax 973 633-9557

68 Seneca Trail

Wayne, NJ, 07470

www.NJPTAid.biz

Bridging the Gap!

Re: FW: physician ownership

Russ it comes to values. I would urge you to read more on the topic thru

your professional association and fully understand the negative impact POPTS

have on the image of the profession, the lack of support it gives to your

colleagues work in trying to gain a clear, unquestioned position in the

health care

service community, and frankly, that many of these types and for profit

types of practice environments are the antithesis of where this profession

is

heading.

Naive, I can assure you I am not. Take long look at what you have wrote and

ask yourself where your decisions have benefitted the goals of your

profession

Jim Dunleavy Pt, MS

[Guest guest]

" The Physical Therapy Profession MUST come out from " under doctors " by

becoming nation wide " open access " , not allow doctors to benefit from our

industry directly (NO POTPS)... "

Barker;

I, of course, agree with this point. I would like to ask you, however,

whether you agree that only PTs should own a PT practice?

Ken Mailly, PT

Mailly & Inglett Consulting, LLC

Tel. 973 692-0033

Fax 973 633-9557

68 Seneca Trail

Wayne, NJ, 07470

www.NJPTAid.biz

Bridging the Gap!

Re: FW: physician ownership

Russ it comes to values. I would urge you to read more on the topic thru

your professional association and fully understand the negative impact POPTS

have on the image of the profession, the lack of support it gives to your

colleagues work in trying to gain a clear, unquestioned position in the

health care

service community, and frankly, that many of these types and for profit

types of practice environments are the antithesis of where this profession

is

heading.

Naive, I can assure you I am not. Take long look at what you have wrote and

ask yourself where your decisions have benefitted the goals of your

profession

Jim Dunleavy Pt, MS

[Guest guest]

" The Physical Therapy Profession MUST come out from " under doctors " by

becoming nation wide " open access " , not allow doctors to benefit from our

industry directly (NO POTPS)... "

Barker;

I, of course, agree with this point. I would like to ask you, however,

whether you agree that only PTs should own a PT practice?

Ken Mailly, PT

Mailly & Inglett Consulting, LLC

Tel. 973 692-0033

Fax 973 633-9557

68 Seneca Trail

Wayne, NJ, 07470

www.NJPTAid.biz

Bridging the Gap!

Re: FW: physician ownership

Russ it comes to values. I would urge you to read more on the topic thru

your professional association and fully understand the negative impact POPTS

have on the image of the profession, the lack of support it gives to your

colleagues work in trying to gain a clear, unquestioned position in the

health care

service community, and frankly, that many of these types and for profit

types of practice environments are the antithesis of where this profession

is

heading.

Naive, I can assure you I am not. Take long look at what you have wrote and

ask yourself where your decisions have benefitted the goals of your

profession

Jim Dunleavy Pt, MS

[Guest guest]

No, I think responsible business people could own a PT practices. Doctors

do not own hospitals. As long as the PT has the responsibility and power

to drive the quality of care (production) its OK.

Thanks,

Barker F. II

Clinical Director

Lakeway Aquatic Therapy & Wellness Center

P.O. Box 342348

1927 Lohmans Crossing, Suite 100

Austin, TX 78734

-Office Tel.

- Office Fax

- Mobile

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Re: FW: physician ownership

Russ it comes to values. I would urge you to read more on the topic thru

your professional association and fully understand the negative impact POPTS

have on the image of the profession, the lack of support it gives to your

colleagues work in trying to gain a clear, unquestioned position in the

health care

service community, and frankly, that many of these types and for profit

types of practice environments are the antithesis of where this profession

is

heading.

Naive, I can assure you I am not. Take long look at what you have wrote and

ask yourself where your decisions have benefitted the goals of your

profession

Jim Dunleavy Pt, MS

[Guest guest]

No, I think responsible business people could own a PT practices. Doctors

do not own hospitals. As long as the PT has the responsibility and power

to drive the quality of care (production) its OK.

Thanks,

Barker F. II

Clinical Director

Lakeway Aquatic Therapy & Wellness Center

P.O. Box 342348

1927 Lohmans Crossing, Suite 100

Austin, TX 78734

-Office Tel.

- Office Fax

- Mobile

www.lakewayaquatics.com

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Re: FW: physician ownership

Russ it comes to values. I would urge you to read more on the topic thru

your professional association and fully understand the negative impact POPTS

have on the image of the profession, the lack of support it gives to your

colleagues work in trying to gain a clear, unquestioned position in the

health care

service community, and frankly, that many of these types and for profit

types of practice environments are the antithesis of where this profession

is

heading.

Naive, I can assure you I am not. Take long look at what you have wrote and

ask yourself where your decisions have benefitted the goals of your

profession

Jim Dunleavy Pt, MS

[Guest guest]

No, I think responsible business people could own a PT practices. Doctors

do not own hospitals. As long as the PT has the responsibility and power

to drive the quality of care (production) its OK.

Thanks,

Barker F. II

Clinical Director

Lakeway Aquatic Therapy & Wellness Center

P.O. Box 342348

1927 Lohmans Crossing, Suite 100

Austin, TX 78734

-Office Tel.

- Office Fax

- Mobile

www.lakewayaquatics.com

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Re: FW: physician ownership

Russ it comes to values. I would urge you to read more on the topic thru

your professional association and fully understand the negative impact POPTS

have on the image of the profession, the lack of support it gives to your

colleagues work in trying to gain a clear, unquestioned position in the

health care

service community, and frankly, that many of these types and for profit

types of practice environments are the antithesis of where this profession

is

heading.

Naive, I can assure you I am not. Take long look at what you have wrote and

ask yourself where your decisions have benefitted the goals of your

profession

Jim Dunleavy Pt, MS

[Guest guest]

I love to work with practices owned by PTs however most of the huge

practices out there are owned by non-PTs (a public company). It's a

business; ethical and aggressive companies can own and run successful

practices.

Some of the large companies have of course come under critical review for

practices; and, that is a problem as you grow and lose the passion/oversight

of an individual clinician owner. The philosophy and oversight of the

business is the key I would think.

Steve Passmore PT

Healthy Recruiting Tools

Re: FW: physician ownership

Russ it comes to values. I would urge you to read more on the topic thru

your professional association and fully understand the negative impact POPTS

have on the image of the profession, the lack of support it gives to your

colleagues work in trying to gain a clear, unquestioned position in the

health care

service community, and frankly, that many of these types and for profit

types of practice environments are the antithesis of where this profession

is

heading.

Naive, I can assure you I am not. Take long look at what you have wrote and

ask yourself where your decisions have benefitted the goals of your

profession

Jim Dunleavy Pt, MS

[Guest guest]

I love to work with practices owned by PTs however most of the huge

practices out there are owned by non-PTs (a public company). It's a

business; ethical and aggressive companies can own and run successful

practices.

Some of the large companies have of course come under critical review for

practices; and, that is a problem as you grow and lose the passion/oversight

of an individual clinician owner. The philosophy and oversight of the

business is the key I would think.

Steve Passmore PT

Healthy Recruiting Tools

Re: FW: physician ownership

Russ it comes to values. I would urge you to read more on the topic thru

your professional association and fully understand the negative impact POPTS

have on the image of the profession, the lack of support it gives to your

colleagues work in trying to gain a clear, unquestioned position in the

health care

service community, and frankly, that many of these types and for profit

types of practice environments are the antithesis of where this profession

is

heading.

Naive, I can assure you I am not. Take long look at what you have wrote and

ask yourself where your decisions have benefitted the goals of your

profession

Jim Dunleavy Pt, MS

[Guest guest]

I love to work with practices owned by PTs however most of the huge

practices out there are owned by non-PTs (a public company). It's a

business; ethical and aggressive companies can own and run successful

practices.

Some of the large companies have of course come under critical review for

practices; and, that is a problem as you grow and lose the passion/oversight

of an individual clinician owner. The philosophy and oversight of the

business is the key I would think.

Steve Passmore PT

Healthy Recruiting Tools

Re: FW: physician ownership

Russ it comes to values. I would urge you to read more on the topic thru

your professional association and fully understand the negative impact POPTS

have on the image of the profession, the lack of support it gives to your

colleagues work in trying to gain a clear, unquestioned position in the

health care

service community, and frankly, that many of these types and for profit

types of practice environments are the antithesis of where this profession

is

heading.

Naive, I can assure you I am not. Take long look at what you have wrote and

ask yourself where your decisions have benefitted the goals of your

profession

Jim Dunleavy Pt, MS

[Guest guest]

" As long as the PT has the responsibility and power

to drive the quality of care (production) its OK. "

But we have heard people on this forum say that they were in POPTS

where they had more resources, more say-so, more control, more freedom

to treat than they did in corporately owned PT clinics. So, based on

your quote above, you are OK with those types of POPTS?

> No, I think responsible business people could own a PT practices. Doctors

> do not own hospitals. As long as the PT has the responsibility and power

> to drive the quality of care (production) its OK.

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> Barker F. II

>

> Clinical Director

>

> Lakeway Aquatic Therapy & Wellness Center

>

> P.O. Box 342348

>

> 1927 Lohmans Crossing, Suite 100

>

> Austin, TX 78734

>

> -Office Tel.

>

> - Office Fax

>

> - Mobile

>

> www.lakewayaquatics.com

>

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> CONFIDENTIAL information and may be read or used only by the intended

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> the number listed.

>

> Re: FW: physician ownership

>

> Russ it comes to values. I would urge you to read more on the topic thru

> your professional association and fully understand the negative impact POPTS

>

> have on the image of the profession, the lack of support it gives to your

> colleagues work in trying to gain a clear, unquestioned position in the

> health care

> service community, and frankly, that many of these types and for profit

> types of practice environments are the antithesis of where this profession

> is

> heading.

>

> Naive, I can assure you I am not. Take long look at what you have wrote and

>

> ask yourself where your decisions have benefitted the goals of your

> profession

> Jim Dunleavy Pt, MS

>

>

[Guest guest]

No I am not OK with a doctor owning a PT clinic. It is just too easy for

them to self refer. I see it all the time in Austin. I own an aquatic

therapy clinic. I have patients who live very close to me that come to us

and tell us that their doctor tried very, very, hard to convince them to use

their PT, even though the patient live upwards to 18 miles away from the

doctor and less than 3 miles from my clinic. I have also seen numerous

cases where the patient should have been placed in aquatic therapy with us,

but no, the doctor puts them in land therapy at his place.

It is just wrong. The lure of profit is too great.

Our industry must stand alone and be open access, just like the

chiropractors.

Thanks,

Barker F. II

Clinical Director

Lakeway Aquatic Therapy & Wellness Center

P.O. Box 342348

1927 Lohmans Crossing, Suite 100

Austin, TX 78734

-Office Tel.

- Office Fax

- Mobile

www.lakewayaquatics.com

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Re: FW: physician ownership

>

> Russ it comes to values. I would urge you to read more on the topic thru

> your professional association and fully understand the negative impact

POPTS

>

> have on the image of the profession, the lack of support it gives to your

> colleagues work in trying to gain a clear, unquestioned position in the

> health care

> service community, and frankly, that many of these types and for profit

> types of practice environments are the antithesis of where this profession

> is

> heading.

>

> Naive, I can assure you I am not. Take long look at what you have wrote

and

>

> ask yourself where your decisions have benefitted the goals of your

> profession

> Jim Dunleavy Pt, MS

>

>

[Guest guest]

No I am not OK with a doctor owning a PT clinic. It is just too easy for

them to self refer. I see it all the time in Austin. I own an aquatic

therapy clinic. I have patients who live very close to me that come to us

and tell us that their doctor tried very, very, hard to convince them to use

their PT, even though the patient live upwards to 18 miles away from the

doctor and less than 3 miles from my clinic. I have also seen numerous

cases where the patient should have been placed in aquatic therapy with us,

but no, the doctor puts them in land therapy at his place.

It is just wrong. The lure of profit is too great.

Our industry must stand alone and be open access, just like the

chiropractors.

Thanks,

Barker F. II

Clinical Director

Lakeway Aquatic Therapy & Wellness Center

P.O. Box 342348

1927 Lohmans Crossing, Suite 100

Austin, TX 78734

-Office Tel.

- Office Fax

- Mobile

www.lakewayaquatics.com

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Re: FW: physician ownership

>

> Russ it comes to values. I would urge you to read more on the topic thru

> your professional association and fully understand the negative impact

POPTS

>

> have on the image of the profession, the lack of support it gives to your

> colleagues work in trying to gain a clear, unquestioned position in the

> health care

> service community, and frankly, that many of these types and for profit

> types of practice environments are the antithesis of where this profession

> is

> heading.

>

> Naive, I can assure you I am not. Take long look at what you have wrote

and

>

> ask yourself where your decisions have benefitted the goals of your

> profession

> Jim Dunleavy Pt, MS

>

>

[Guest guest]

No I am not OK with a doctor owning a PT clinic. It is just too easy for

them to self refer. I see it all the time in Austin. I own an aquatic

therapy clinic. I have patients who live very close to me that come to us

and tell us that their doctor tried very, very, hard to convince them to use

their PT, even though the patient live upwards to 18 miles away from the

doctor and less than 3 miles from my clinic. I have also seen numerous

cases where the patient should have been placed in aquatic therapy with us,

but no, the doctor puts them in land therapy at his place.

It is just wrong. The lure of profit is too great.

Our industry must stand alone and be open access, just like the

chiropractors.

Thanks,

Barker F. II

Clinical Director

Lakeway Aquatic Therapy & Wellness Center

P.O. Box 342348

1927 Lohmans Crossing, Suite 100

Austin, TX 78734

-Office Tel.

- Office Fax

- Mobile

www.lakewayaquatics.com

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Re: FW: physician ownership

>

> Russ it comes to values. I would urge you to read more on the topic thru

> your professional association and fully understand the negative impact

POPTS

>

> have on the image of the profession, the lack of support it gives to your

> colleagues work in trying to gain a clear, unquestioned position in the

> health care

> service community, and frankly, that many of these types and for profit

> types of practice environments are the antithesis of where this profession

> is

> heading.

>

> Naive, I can assure you I am not. Take long look at what you have wrote

and

>

> ask yourself where your decisions have benefitted the goals of your

> profession

> Jim Dunleavy Pt, MS

>

>

[Guest guest]

" But we have heard people on this forum say that they were in POPTS where

they had more resources, more say-so, more control, and more freedom to

treat than they did in corporately owned PT clinics " .

As far as the above comment goes, my PT has plenty of resources and complete

say so on what they need to do. They control production. I don't and I am

the owner. We set business goals and they let me know what they need to

provide the best quality of care. It is not hard to produce a quality

environment for a PT.

Do I like large corporate PT systems (Health South) for an example? I think

the industry already knows how wrong a big corporation can go when profit

motivates the production segment.

I think our industry should push private practice, just like the doctors.

It is OK to have a non-PT own a clinic as long as the PT has a strong say in

the business plan. My wife is a PTA, and we own a clinic.

Thanks,

Barker F. II

Clinical Director

Lakeway Aquatic Therapy & Wellness Center

P.O. Box 342348

1927 Lohmans Crossing, Suite 100

Austin, TX 78734

-Office Tel.

- Office Fax

- Mobile

www.lakewayaquatics.com

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Re: FW: physician ownership

>

> Russ it comes to values. I would urge you to read more on the topic thru

> your professional association and fully understand the negative impact

POPTS

>

> have on the image of the profession, the lack of support it gives to your

> colleagues work in trying to gain a clear, unquestioned position in the

> health care

> service community, and frankly, that many of these types and for profit

> types of practice environments are the antithesis of where this profession

> is

> heading.

>

> Naive, I can assure you I am not. Take long look at what you have wrote

and

>

> ask yourself where your decisions have benefitted the goals of your

> profession

> Jim Dunleavy Pt, MS

>

>

[Guest guest]

" But we have heard people on this forum say that they were in POPTS where

they had more resources, more say-so, more control, and more freedom to

treat than they did in corporately owned PT clinics " .

As far as the above comment goes, my PT has plenty of resources and complete

say so on what they need to do. They control production. I don't and I am

the owner. We set business goals and they let me know what they need to

provide the best quality of care. It is not hard to produce a quality

environment for a PT.

Do I like large corporate PT systems (Health South) for an example? I think

the industry already knows how wrong a big corporation can go when profit

motivates the production segment.

I think our industry should push private practice, just like the doctors.

It is OK to have a non-PT own a clinic as long as the PT has a strong say in

the business plan. My wife is a PTA, and we own a clinic.

Thanks,

Barker F. II

Clinical Director

Lakeway Aquatic Therapy & Wellness Center

P.O. Box 342348

1927 Lohmans Crossing, Suite 100

Austin, TX 78734

-Office Tel.

- Office Fax

- Mobile

www.lakewayaquatics.com

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Re: FW: physician ownership

>

> Russ it comes to values. I would urge you to read more on the topic thru

> your professional association and fully understand the negative impact

POPTS

>

> have on the image of the profession, the lack of support it gives to your

> colleagues work in trying to gain a clear, unquestioned position in the

> health care

> service community, and frankly, that many of these types and for profit

> types of practice environments are the antithesis of where this profession

> is

> heading.

>

> Naive, I can assure you I am not. Take long look at what you have wrote

and

>

> ask yourself where your decisions have benefitted the goals of your

> profession

> Jim Dunleavy Pt, MS

>

>