Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Okay, I'm at a loss. I was going along just fine, swelling was reducing, almost gone, feeling pretty darn good and Whammo! within 24 hours, swelling back with a vengeance, BP high again and feel very bad. Right now, I feel like my skin's going to pop and everything aches. The only thing I have done differently is that I had found a Chelated Iron that I tolerated really well, which I started on Tuesday night and did not get constipated from it. But I don't know why it would take until Friday night for the swelling to return. I'm taking B-12 sublingually. Is there some other factor I'm missing to process Iron maybe? I know I need to get Iron re-checked, I have the lab request, just can't seem to get out in AM to get there to do it! Iron was only 19 in Dec, but I've been doing lots of foods to increase it and obviously something was working, cause I was feeling dramatically better and the swelling was going away. Currently up to 80 mcgs of T3 and holding til I figure this out. I did read the post about copper and I was deficient in it before, so I can add that in. I'd appreciate any advice! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Did you eat anything out of the ordinary? So,metimes I think we place too little emphasis on what we eat in our symptoms regime. What are your temps doing? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Sorry do you still have your monthly cycle? Your temps do nto look stellar stable either which I suspect you might need a tad more HC. but if it si righ before your period or it just started I would say it si low progesterone casueing the symptoms. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 I do still get a period, and actually it is due right now! Aarrghh! The progesterone thing; last fall, my test revealed abnormally high levels of prog the last two weeks of the cycle, so I stopped it completely. My Doc and Lab Doc were very puzzled by this and had no explanation. I started back with it sometime around January and we thought it might be contributing to the swelling, so I stopped again. Week ago Saturday, I took one day of it, saw the swelling increase slightly and stopped again. Figured I'd better do without it. I do still take compounded DHEA, only 3 mgs. twice daily, and compounded Estriol2/Estradiol.5, which I have done for a while. So you think it's the period thing? Geez, we're back to the whack-a-mole thing. Just when you get one thing sorted out, something else rears it's ugly head! Thanks, Val! > > Sorry do you still have your monthly cycle? Your temps do nto look > stellar stable either which I suspect you might need a tad more HC. but > if it si righ before your period or it just started I would say it si > low progesterone casueing the symptoms. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Yeah I suspect it is th eperiod thing. BUT I would stop DHEA. For now as it can confuse the issue an seldom does good things when cortils is not working right. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Okay, I will stop DHEA. I thought it was helping, but I don't know that much about how it works. What does it do that's bad? Just curious for future reference. Do you think I should add in another 2.5 mgs of Cortef? That would put me at 40 mgs -- eek! Thanks much, > > Yeah I suspect it is th eperiod thing. BUT I would stop DHEA. For now as > it can confuse the issue an seldom does good things when cortils is not > working right. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 DHEA can convert to estrogen which if ti si already high can create a worse disaster. Or it can make DHA go high which can cause hair loss. Or it can convert to too much tetosteorne and cause pimples, and hair growth wher you do not want it. Much better to supplement the end hormones that are lwo than risk it doing things you do nto want. Conversions seem to really be unpredictable and unfriendly when cortils is off. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Got it! I haven't had the hair loss from my head, though just eyelashes seem to fall out -- gave up wearing make up months ago. And yeah, get the upper lip and chin nasty dark hairs and an occasional pimple. Geez, we all have our special things to deal with, huh? You know I hear about Docs recommending 30-50 mgs of DHEA for women and I was only taking 3 mgs twice a day. Is there a different dosage scale or something? Thank you for the info. Hugs, > > DHEA can convert to estrogen which if ti si already high can create a > worse disaster. Or it can make DHA go high which can cause hair loss. Or > it can convert to too much tetosteorne and cause pimples, and hair > growth wher you do not want it. Much better to supplement the end > hormones that are lwo than risk it doing things you do nto want. > Conversions seem to really be unpredictable and unfriendly when cortils > is off. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Got it! I haven't had the hair loss from my head, though just eyelashes seem to fall out -- gave up wearing make up months ago. And yeah, get the upper lip and chin nasty dark hairs and an occasional pimple. Geez, we all have our special things to deal with, huh? You know I hear about Docs recommending 30-50 mgs of DHEA for women and I was only taking 3 mgs twice a day. Is there a different dosage scale or something? Thank you for the info. Hugs, > > DHEA can convert to estrogen which if ti si already high can create a > worse disaster. Or it can make DHA go high which can cause hair loss. Or > it can convert to too much tetosteorne and cause pimples, and hair > growth wher you do not want it. Much better to supplement the end > hormones that are lwo than risk it doing things you do nto want. > Conversions seem to really be unpredictable and unfriendly when cortils > is off. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 When I had health y adrenals I could take 150-200mg DHEA a day and lost weight and felt great energy fromit. NOW I cannot take over 5mg without getting BAD symptioms from it. it is a strange hormone. I do not think they knwo9 much of anything about it and I suspect it has alot to do wioth Growht Hormones and others we also know little about. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 When I had health y adrenals I could take 150-200mg DHEA a day and lost weight and felt great energy fromit. NOW I cannot take over 5mg without getting BAD symptioms from it. it is a strange hormone. I do not think they knwo9 much of anything about it and I suspect it has alot to do wioth Growht Hormones and others we also know little about. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 When I had health y adrenals I could take 150-200mg DHEA a day and lost weight and felt great energy fromit. NOW I cannot take over 5mg without getting BAD symptioms from it. it is a strange hormone. I do not think they knwo9 much of anything about it and I suspect it has alot to do wioth Growht Hormones and others we also know little about. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Wow! You've tried absolutely everything there is to try, my dear, haven't you?!!! The Chief Guinea Pig! LOL, > > When I had health y adrenals I could take 150-200mg DHEA a day and lost > weight and felt great energy fromit. NOW I cannot take over 5mg without > getting BAD symptioms from it. it is a strange hormone. I do not think > they knwo9 much of anything about it and I suspect it has alot to do > wioth Growht Hormones and others we also know little about. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Wow! You've tried absolutely everything there is to try, my dear, haven't you?!!! The Chief Guinea Pig! LOL, > > When I had health y adrenals I could take 150-200mg DHEA a day and lost > weight and felt great energy fromit. NOW I cannot take over 5mg without > getting BAD symptioms from it. it is a strange hormone. I do not think > they knwo9 much of anything about it and I suspect it has alot to do > wioth Growht Hormones and others we also know little about. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Wow! You've tried absolutely everything there is to try, my dear, haven't you?!!! The Chief Guinea Pig! LOL, > > When I had health y adrenals I could take 150-200mg DHEA a day and lost > weight and felt great energy fromit. NOW I cannot take over 5mg without > getting BAD symptioms from it. it is a strange hormone. I do not think > they knwo9 much of anything about it and I suspect it has alot to do > wioth Growht Hormones and others we also know little about. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 You totlaly would not believe what all I have tried.. LOL -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 You totlaly would not believe what all I have tried.. LOL -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 You totlaly would not believe what all I have tried.. LOL -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Bet you haven't drunk your urine yet ... Snicker, snicker. Sorry, I couldn't resist. > > You totlaly would not believe what all I have tried.. LOL > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Bet you haven't drunk your urine yet ... Snicker, snicker. Sorry, I couldn't resist. > > You totlaly would not believe what all I have tried.. LOL > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 UM NO.. LOL -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 UM NO.. LOL -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 UM NO.. LOL -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 wrote: >Okay, I'm at a loss. I was going along just fine, swelling was reducing, a= >lmost gone, feeling pretty darn good and Whammo! within 24 hours, swelling = >back with a vengeance, BP high again and feel very bad. Right now, I feel l= >ike my skin's going to pop and everything aches.=20 > >The only thing I have done differently is that I had found a Chelated Iron = >that I tolerated really well, which I started on Tuesday night and did not = >get constipated from it. But I don't know why it would take until Friday ni= >ght for the swelling to return. I'm taking B-12 sublingually. Is there so= >me other factor I'm missing to process Iron maybe? I know I need to get Ir= >on re-checked, I have the lab request, just can't seem to get out in AM to = >get there to do it! Iron was only 19 in Dec, but I've been doing lots of f= >oods to increase it and obviously something was working, cause I was feelin= >g dramatically better and the swelling was going away. Currently up to 80 = >mcgs of T3 and holding til I figure this out. Since you said the only thing you had changed was an iron supplement: is it possible that you are taking your iron at the same time, or close to, your thyroid supplement? Only reason I mention this is: last time I picked up Cytomel at the pharmacy, there was a little yellow tag added to the bottle that was a patient warning against taking iron closer than 4 hours to the time thyroid is taken. However I couldn't find any info in the Cytomel prescribing information from KingPharmaceuticals.com, about incompatibility with iron. One internet ref I found says that iron interferes with absorption of levothyroxine, but they didn't say if the same effect happens with triiodothyronine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 wrote: >Okay, I'm at a loss. I was going along just fine, swelling was reducing, a= >lmost gone, feeling pretty darn good and Whammo! within 24 hours, swelling = >back with a vengeance, BP high again and feel very bad. Right now, I feel l= >ike my skin's going to pop and everything aches.=20 > >The only thing I have done differently is that I had found a Chelated Iron = >that I tolerated really well, which I started on Tuesday night and did not = >get constipated from it. But I don't know why it would take until Friday ni= >ght for the swelling to return. I'm taking B-12 sublingually. Is there so= >me other factor I'm missing to process Iron maybe? I know I need to get Ir= >on re-checked, I have the lab request, just can't seem to get out in AM to = >get there to do it! Iron was only 19 in Dec, but I've been doing lots of f= >oods to increase it and obviously something was working, cause I was feelin= >g dramatically better and the swelling was going away. Currently up to 80 = >mcgs of T3 and holding til I figure this out. Since you said the only thing you had changed was an iron supplement: is it possible that you are taking your iron at the same time, or close to, your thyroid supplement? Only reason I mention this is: last time I picked up Cytomel at the pharmacy, there was a little yellow tag added to the bottle that was a patient warning against taking iron closer than 4 hours to the time thyroid is taken. However I couldn't find any info in the Cytomel prescribing information from KingPharmaceuticals.com, about incompatibility with iron. One internet ref I found says that iron interferes with absorption of levothyroxine, but they didn't say if the same effect happens with triiodothyronine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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