Re: Hi Guys - Help Please - Thanks

December 27, 2006

Kathy it sure sounds liek ytou need the HC still. And you definitely

need mroe Armoru. I remwmeber when I was on 6 grains Armoru and 60mcg T3

and had to stop in the middle of washing my hair or climbiong the stepo

in to my house. ALL of that was from adrenal fatigue. Once treated I

won't say I am runnign up the steps now, but I do a pretty good clip and

igf I have 4 loads of grocveries to bringup the steps I do not have to

do it in four days like I used to!

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December 27, 2006

Hi Val,

Thanks for the reply - I appreciate it. I need a specific direction

to go in. I'm still on HC - 10 mg in AM only. Do I go back to 10-5-

5? At a stage 7 should I move up higher? What is you suggestion.

Please note that I don't hold you responsible for my health - I'm in

charge of that - even when I do a poor job of it. I just need to

know where I go from here. Back to 10-5-5 right away or build up

again? email me privately if needed. roesslk at yahoo or hotmail.

Your knowledge has always been appreciated and it has gotten me

farther than I would have gone otherwise.

Thanks,

Kathy in NJ

>

> Kathy it sure sounds liek ytou need the HC still. And you

definitely

> need mroe Armoru. I remwmeber when I was on 6 grains Armoru and

60mcg T3

> and had to stop in the middle of washing my hair or climbiong the

stepo

> in to my house. ALL of that was from adrenal fatigue. Once treated

I

> won't say I am runnign up the steps now, but I do a pretty good

clip and

> igf I have 4 loads of grocveries to bringup the steps I do not

have to

> do it in four days like I used to!

>

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WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after

Xmas!!!)

>

http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

December 27, 2006

I would go back to 10-7.5-5-2.5 and hold that while doing a temperature

graph. Follow directions on www.drrind.com it will tell you when you

have good adrenal support.

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December 27, 2006

I would go back to 10-7.5-5-2.5 and hold that while doing a temperature

graph. Follow directions on www.drrind.com it will tell you when you

have good adrenal support.

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December 27, 2006

Kathy,

Are you taking meds for the acid reflux? If so what kind and how

long? Also are you taking any kind of B vitamins? It's really

important to take some type of greens supplement for B's to support

the adrenals. How about enzymes?

Linn

> Hi All,

>

> Been awhile since I've written. Kathy in NJ here. I also posted on

> the main NTH board because I'm not sure where the post belongs. My

> apologies for double posting.

>

>> .

>

December 28, 2006

Hi Linn - nothing for the acid reflux - just Tums when I need to. I

take B complex vitamins and enzymes every day. I have a very strong

vitamin regimen - I think I just screwed up with the HC and need to

get back on a regular dose until I feel better. Thanks so much for

your help.

Kathy in NJ

>

> > Hi All,

> >

> > Been awhile since I've written. Kathy in NJ here. I also posted

on

> > the main NTH board because I'm not sure where the post belongs.

My

> > apologies for double posting.

> >

> >> .

> >

>

December 28, 2006

Hi Linn - nothing for the acid reflux - just Tums when I need to. I

take B complex vitamins and enzymes every day. I have a very strong

vitamin regimen - I think I just screwed up with the HC and need to

get back on a regular dose until I feel better. Thanks so much for

your help.

Kathy in NJ

>

> > Hi All,

> >

> > Been awhile since I've written. Kathy in NJ here. I also posted

on

> > the main NTH board because I'm not sure where the post belongs.

My

> > apologies for double posting.

> >

> >> .

> >

>

December 28, 2006

For Reflux I take baking soda when needed! It is safe, helps the

adrenals and relieves the pain immediately. Just dissolve 1/2 - 1 tsp in

a glass (6 oz) water and chug it down.

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December 28, 2006

Thanks Val. Does it taste like Alka Seltzer? If so I can't do it -

AS makes me vomit. Ick.

Kathy in NJ

>

> For Reflux I take baking soda when needed! It is safe, helps the

> adrenals and relieves the pain immediately. Just dissolve 1/2 - 1

tsp in

> a glass (6 oz) water and chug it down.

>

> --

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>

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>

December 28, 2006

Your story sounds so much like mine and I am a guy I get crap from my wife to

the point I don't talk about my heath. If I were you I would go back on HC and

do more say 10mgs. 10mgs. and 5mgs. see how this goes. I would start to take my

Temps and chart them this tells you were your at.

http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

I use this to take my temps they sell it at Wal-Greens or Wal-Mart.

http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Products/Thermometer.htm

Doing this will help you to know when to go up on Armour and were your Adreals

are at. If you have trouble just post and ask.

I feel if you get back on HC being stage 7 you need it you should feel better

fast.

Some people don't understand when one is Sick like we are yet it they hurt

there toe they go on about it all day long.

Phil

roesslk wrote:

Hi All,

Been awhile since I've written. Kathy in NJ here. I also posted on

the main NTH board because I'm not sure where the post belongs. My

apologies for double posting.

So, back in September I took the leap to start on HC. Adrenals on

saliva testing showed failure at a stage 7. I worked my way up to 20

mg (10-5-5) and worked my way up on Armour to to 4 grains taken 2.5

in am, 1 grain 4 hours later and then .5 grains 3 hours after that.

I can't take high doses later in the day because I can't sleep,

thus, higher doses in the AM. At that point in time when I was at 4

grains (November) I had labs done and the TSH was supressed, which

is good and the frees were in the mid range. I saw my endo and

after we talked he agreed that perhaps I was one who would do better

in the higher range of the frees. Cool. He agreed to prescrive the

higher dose. I went up to 4.25 grains and still felt tired. At the

same time, and I think this was stupid, I started to decrease the

HC. Endo did not prescribe it and knows nothing about it. I was

scared of it to begin with but it did help me with the raises so I

stuck with it. I am still at 4.25 grains and am only taking 10 mg

of HC in the morning with no other doses throughout the day. No

shakes or anything going on.

My problem is that I am so damn tired - have iron and ferritin

issues too and last labs showed ferritin increased to 52 but the

iron was still low. Endo even asked if I had a family history of

poor iron absorption. I take the iron with vitamin C, by the way. I

have horrible reflux too so I think that it's not the iron but my

darn body running too slow to process the food. Today I didn't eat

all day due to the bloat I feel from the holiday meals, which isn't

like me - I normally eat something but I'm depressed I think or just

worn out from too much sugars.

So, the holidays have been here and I've ben running around but the

thing is, I was running around all the time before that and I'm not

someone who is a yelling stress person, I'm someone who is wiped

out. Tonight I went out with my husband for dinner. At dinner I

started talking about the fact that it would be fun to look at

places to retire to (we're only 50 and 48 (me)) and he said to

me " well, I can't even get you to get up and walk the dogs, what

difference would it make whether we retire to a warm or cold

climate? you don't want to do anything anyway. " I started to cry in

the restaurant and had to leave. I went to the parking lot and

sobbed for quite some time. Granted, not cool what he said and

extremely insensitive but it's true - I don't want to walk the dogs -

I want to veg in front of the TV once I do the grueling chores in

the house. The truth hurts but let me tell ya' I did not tell him he

was right - I fought with the strength I had left to tell him that

I'm tired and he contributes zip to the daily household grind. Guys,

my muscles hurt (left hip and quads especially) and I know that I'm

not well but I'm so scared at the same time.

My question is NOT " does it get any better " because, truly I am

better than I was a year ago. The question is - do I get back on

the HC full time again and continue with raises? Problem I did

experience after my 2.5 in the AM is when walking up stairs I felt

like I was gonna have a heart attack but I attributed it to my

weight (5'4 " , 185 lbs.). I am not having any problems going to sleep

but some times I wake up at around 3AM and my mind won't stop but I

am in pre-menopause (tests proved low pregesterone and I'm on p-

cream) and I know some women experience the same thing who don't

have thyroid issues.

Anyway, I could really use some help and direction here. I'm crying

as I write this because I have a feeling I was my own worst enemy,

again, by not doing what was suggestesd. So, do I go back on HC?

Raise Armour without HC? Ugh - I'm definitely not well and any

suggestions would be appreciated. Logically, I think I need to get

back on HC at a 10-5-5 and continue raises but feel frightened and

confused emotionally.

Thanks to anyone who has some insight.

Kathy in NJ

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December 28, 2006

Hi Phil,

Thanks for the support. I have been at this for about 4 years now

and just as I " think " I'm doing ok I take several steps back. Truth

is that most of the time it is due to my own doing. First, it was

fear of Armour, then it was fear of HC, then it was fear of too much

Armour, then back to fear of HC. Ugh. I started back today at 10mg

HC on the AM and 5mg HC 4 hours later. Am feeling wiped out right

now but don't think I should add HC back in too fast. I have a

feeling I'm going to have to stay on HC awhile and just might be one

of those people who need large amounts of Armour, probably due to

the Hashi's I have.

I took my HC and Armour (2.5 grains) together this morning at 7:30

am and felt ok. Around 11:oo I felt tired but waited to do 5mg HC

at 11:30. At noon I took my second dose (1.5 grains) of Armour and

right now I'm wiped. I need to take my last dose of Armour but,

what do you think, should I just jump right back in with the HC or

titer up as instructed on the STTM page? Am also familiar with

taking temps but I get lax at doing it and stop - another form of

self sabotage I think :-)

Kathy in NJ

>

> Your story sounds so much like mine and I am a guy I get crap from

my wife to the point I don't talk about my heath. If I were you I

would go back on HC and do more say 10mgs. 10mgs. and 5mgs. see how

this goes. I would start to take my Temps and chart them this tells

you were your at.

> http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

> I use this to take my temps they sell it at Wal-Greens or Wal-

Mart.

> http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Products/Thermometer.htm

> Doing this will help you to know when to go up on Armour and

were your Adreals are at. If you have trouble just post and ask.

> I feel if you get back on HC being stage 7 you need it you

should feel better fast.

> Some people don't understand when one is Sick like we are yet it

they hurt there toe they go on about it all day long.

> Phil

>

December 28, 2006