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Good for you!!! I've learned that too, if they aren't going to do what you need them to do.. don't waste your time or money. I once got into the greatest yelling match when I demanded my co pay back... I got it too! AND let the insurance company know that they shouldn't pay for the call. At the moment I can't even remember what my gripe was.. just standing there demanding my money back.

See? Too hot in the house last night and didn't get good sleep... so now I have holes in my brain!!!!

hehehehehhehehehehehe

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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:10:20 -0500 "Toni" writes:

Kathy,Trust me this one is going to be asked when I walk in the door what hisviews are on keeping someone on thyroid medication who has hashi's. If hedoesn't believe in it I'm walking right back out.ToniList Owner of:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GDHWS/

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Good for you!!! I've learned that too, if they aren't going to do what you need them to do.. don't waste your time or money. I once got into the greatest yelling match when I demanded my co pay back... I got it too! AND let the insurance company know that they shouldn't pay for the call. At the moment I can't even remember what my gripe was.. just standing there demanding my money back.

See? Too hot in the house last night and didn't get good sleep... so now I have holes in my brain!!!!

hehehehehhehehehehehe

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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:10:20 -0500 "Toni" writes:

Kathy,Trust me this one is going to be asked when I walk in the door what hisviews are on keeping someone on thyroid medication who has hashi's. If hedoesn't believe in it I'm walking right back out.ToniList Owner of:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GDHWS/

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Good for you!!! I've learned that too, if they aren't going to do what you need them to do.. don't waste your time or money. I once got into the greatest yelling match when I demanded my co pay back... I got it too! AND let the insurance company know that they shouldn't pay for the call. At the moment I can't even remember what my gripe was.. just standing there demanding my money back.

See? Too hot in the house last night and didn't get good sleep... so now I have holes in my brain!!!!

hehehehehhehehehehehe

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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:10:20 -0500 "Toni" writes:

Kathy,Trust me this one is going to be asked when I walk in the door what hisviews are on keeping someone on thyroid medication who has hashi's. If hedoesn't believe in it I'm walking right back out.ToniList Owner of:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GDHWS/

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Let's all get together and yank out their thyroids. Any takers?

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Well, it looks like the docs I have been dealing with don't know anything about treating hashi's.

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Let's all get together and yank out their thyroids. Any takers?

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Well, it looks like the docs I have been dealing with don't know anything about treating hashi's.

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That sounds like over half the docs in my area, for almost ANY reason. I've seen many people put into comas by doctors. : )

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The best parallel would be like a diabetic. They give them insulin till they blood sugar level is normal, then they take them off and wait till they are heading to a coma, then remedicate!

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That sounds like over half the docs in my area, for almost ANY reason. I've seen many people put into comas by doctors. : )

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The best parallel would be like a diabetic. They give them insulin till they blood sugar level is normal, then they take them off and wait till they are heading to a coma, then remedicate!

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I could sic some of my antibodies on them - bet I could do some real

damage... and imagine what would happen if we all joined forces. :-)

-Marina

> Let's all get together and yank out their thyroids. Any takers?

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> Re: Hi again

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> Well, it looks like the docs I have been dealing with don't know

anything about treating hashi's.

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I could sic some of my antibodies on them - bet I could do some real

damage... and imagine what would happen if we all joined forces. :-)

-Marina

> Let's all get together and yank out their thyroids. Any takers?

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>

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> Re: Hi again

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>

> Well, it looks like the docs I have been dealing with don't know

anything about treating hashi's.

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He could hit me ONE time, but since he wouldn't have any arms and legs left to hit me again, there definitely wouldn't be a second time. He'd have to go on disability, I guess.

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Yes, he was also nailed for failure to do physical exams. There were other charges, too. (I think maybe he hit a nurse, too, but I am not sure about that.)

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He could hit me ONE time, but since he wouldn't have any arms and legs left to hit me again, there definitely wouldn't be a second time. He'd have to go on disability, I guess.

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Yes, he was also nailed for failure to do physical exams. There were other charges, too. (I think maybe he hit a nurse, too, but I am not sure about that.)

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He could hit me ONE time, but since he wouldn't have any arms and legs left to hit me again, there definitely wouldn't be a second time. He'd have to go on disability, I guess.

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Yes, he was also nailed for failure to do physical exams. There were other charges, too. (I think maybe he hit a nurse, too, but I am not sure about that.)

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Count me in.. I'll be the one that sits on them so that they can't get away!!!!

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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:07:51 -0500 " " writes:

Let's all get together and yank out their thyroids. Any takers?

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Count me in.. I'll be the one that sits on them so that they can't get away!!!!

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Let's all get together and yank out their thyroids. Any takers?

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Did anyone see the movie 'Species II'? The weapon that they used to kill the alien was a spray made using the blood of a guy that had sickle cell trait.. We should make up and antibody spray....

It activates only when sprayed on people that have been spit on by a person with Hashi's first.. that way we won't infect the whole planet.. just those that are abusive toward thyroid patients.. give them a taste of what we have to deal with.

It's only short term though, not permanent... it will sputter out after 10 or 15 years.. after all... we wouldn't want them to suffer any longer then most of us have, right?

.... you think I'm kidding? I know where we can get squirt guns by the gross!

I wish it were financially feasible for us to have a march... could you imagine a thousand of us marching and chanting?

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I could sic some of my antibodies on them - bet I could do some real damage... and imagine what would happen if we all joined forces. :-)-Marina

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Did anyone see the movie 'Species II'? The weapon that they used to kill the alien was a spray made using the blood of a guy that had sickle cell trait.. We should make up and antibody spray....

It activates only when sprayed on people that have been spit on by a person with Hashi's first.. that way we won't infect the whole planet.. just those that are abusive toward thyroid patients.. give them a taste of what we have to deal with.

It's only short term though, not permanent... it will sputter out after 10 or 15 years.. after all... we wouldn't want them to suffer any longer then most of us have, right?

.... you think I'm kidding? I know where we can get squirt guns by the gross!

I wish it were financially feasible for us to have a march... could you imagine a thousand of us marching and chanting?

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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:14:52 -0000 "marinara0404" writes:

I could sic some of my antibodies on them - bet I could do some real damage... and imagine what would happen if we all joined forces. :-)-Marina

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Why settle for a thousand----- Million!!!!!!!

Feisty*thinking big*

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Did anyone see the movie 'Species II'? The weapon that they used to kill the alien was a spray made using the blood of a guy that had sickle cell trait.. We should make up and antibody spray....

It activates only when sprayed on people that have been spit on by a person with Hashi's first.. that way we won't infect the whole planet.. just those that are abusive toward thyroid patients.. give them a taste of what we have to deal with.

It's only short term though, not permanent... it will sputter out after 10 or 15 years.. after all... we wouldn't want them to suffer any longer then most of us have, right?

.... you think I'm kidding? I know where we can get squirt guns by the gross!

I wish it were financially feasible for us to have a march... could you imagine a thousand of us marching and chanting?

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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:14:52 -0000 "marinara0404" writes:

I could sic some of my antibodies on them - bet I could do some real damage... and imagine what would happen if we all joined forces. :-)-Marina

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Why settle for a thousand----- Million!!!!!!!

Feisty*thinking big*

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Did anyone see the movie 'Species II'? The weapon that they used to kill the alien was a spray made using the blood of a guy that had sickle cell trait.. We should make up and antibody spray....

It activates only when sprayed on people that have been spit on by a person with Hashi's first.. that way we won't infect the whole planet.. just those that are abusive toward thyroid patients.. give them a taste of what we have to deal with.

It's only short term though, not permanent... it will sputter out after 10 or 15 years.. after all... we wouldn't want them to suffer any longer then most of us have, right?

.... you think I'm kidding? I know where we can get squirt guns by the gross!

I wish it were financially feasible for us to have a march... could you imagine a thousand of us marching and chanting?

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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:14:52 -0000 "marinara0404" writes:

I could sic some of my antibodies on them - bet I could do some real damage... and imagine what would happen if we all joined forces. :-)-Marina

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I didn't find the part that doctors believe they should be stopped

either, Toni.

Jan

Toni wrote:

> No one said that. It merely says that some doctors believe that is

> the correct thing to do, but current research has shown that it isn't

> correct.

>

> Toni

> List Owner of:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GDHWS/

> This is for guide dog handlers with residual vision.

> And

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ToniAtGDB/

> This mailing list is to share my experiences in getting my next guide dog.

> * Re: Hi again

>

> someone else read this article also please. I don't see where anyone

> reccomended stopping meds when someone becomes in range. I may need more

> coffee.

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That is my reaction too, . Actually I remember someone not from the

US years ago at the About.com forums who had this happen to them, but

once - the fact that she happened to find more than one crazy doctor

like that is the worst luck ever.

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> Are we talking about the same thing here, though, Toni, because you

> said that it was AFTER you were treated and the levels brought up,

> that you were pulled off of thyroid hormone completely. Is the

> article you're referring to talking about diagnosing people as not

> being hypo after testing and before medication and also keeping them

> on medication, but undertreating them? This is a whole different

> problem that all of us here are familiar with. I simply have never

> heard of a doctor who puts someone ON the hormone, then, when their

> levels reach normal, they declare them cured, and take them OFF the

> hormone, altogether. This just blows my mind! Hashi's does have it's

> ups and downs, but that doesn't mean that the treatment stops altogether.

>

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Yes, these are separate issues - when someone not on meds has normal

levels, the majority of traditional doctors will not treat. The reason

is that without the labs to support treatment, these docs could even be

sued later.

Now, when someone on meds has normal labs, that is taken as evidence

that the dosage of meds the patient is on is working and should be

maintained for health.

Jan

Toni wrote:

> ,

> This is a direct quote from the article. My point is and has been

> that some docs believe that when your levels are normal that you don't

> need thyroid meds. Are these two separate issues? I'm not sure. I

> am merely pointing out this article to show that although research

> shows this should be treated anyway many docs don't believe it

> necessary. That's not to say this is appropriate.

>

> " There are, however, some endocrinologists, as well as holistic MDs,

> osteopaths and other practitioners, who believe that Hashimoto's

> disease -- as confirmed by the presence of thyroid antibodies -- along

> with symptoms, are enough to warrant treatment with small amounts of

> thyroid hormone.

>

> The practice of treating patients who have Hashimoto's thyroiditis but

> normal range thyroid function tests is supported by a study, reported

> on in the March 2001 issue of the journal Thyroid. In this study,

> German researchers reported that use of levothyroxine treatment for

> cases of Hashimoto's autoimmune thyroiditis where TSH had not yet

> elevated beyond normal range (people who were considered " euthyroid " )

> could reduce the incidence and degree of autoimmune disease progression.

>

> In the study of 21 patients with euthyroid Hashimoto's Thyroiditis

> (normal range TSH, but elevated antibodies), half of the patients were

> treated with levothyroxine for a year, the other half were not

> treated. After 1 year of therapy with levothyroxine, the antibody

> levels and lymphocytes (evidence of inflammation) decreased

> significantly only in the group receiving the medication. Among the

> untreated group, the antibody levels rose or remained the same.

>

> The researchers concluded that preventative treatment of normal TSH

> range patients with Hashimoto's disease reduced the various markers of

> autoimmune thyroiditis, and speculated that that such treatment might

> even be able to stop the progression of Hashimoto's disease, or

> perhaps even prevent development of the hypothyroidism. " ©2004 About,

> Inc. All rights reserved. A PRIMEDIA Company.

> http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroidism/a/hashivshypo.htm

>

>

> Toni

> List Owner of:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GDHWS/

> This is for guide dog handlers with residual vision.

> And

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ToniAtGDB/

> This mailing list is to share my experiences in getting my next guide dog.

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Yes, these are separate issues - when someone not on meds has normal

levels, the majority of traditional doctors will not treat. The reason

is that without the labs to support treatment, these docs could even be

sued later.

Now, when someone on meds has normal labs, that is taken as evidence

that the dosage of meds the patient is on is working and should be

maintained for health.

Jan

Toni wrote:

> ,

> This is a direct quote from the article. My point is and has been

> that some docs believe that when your levels are normal that you don't

> need thyroid meds. Are these two separate issues? I'm not sure. I

> am merely pointing out this article to show that although research

> shows this should be treated anyway many docs don't believe it

> necessary. That's not to say this is appropriate.

>

> " There are, however, some endocrinologists, as well as holistic MDs,

> osteopaths and other practitioners, who believe that Hashimoto's

> disease -- as confirmed by the presence of thyroid antibodies -- along

> with symptoms, are enough to warrant treatment with small amounts of

> thyroid hormone.

>

> The practice of treating patients who have Hashimoto's thyroiditis but

> normal range thyroid function tests is supported by a study, reported

> on in the March 2001 issue of the journal Thyroid. In this study,

> German researchers reported that use of levothyroxine treatment for

> cases of Hashimoto's autoimmune thyroiditis where TSH had not yet

> elevated beyond normal range (people who were considered " euthyroid " )

> could reduce the incidence and degree of autoimmune disease progression.

>

> In the study of 21 patients with euthyroid Hashimoto's Thyroiditis

> (normal range TSH, but elevated antibodies), half of the patients were

> treated with levothyroxine for a year, the other half were not

> treated. After 1 year of therapy with levothyroxine, the antibody

> levels and lymphocytes (evidence of inflammation) decreased

> significantly only in the group receiving the medication. Among the

> untreated group, the antibody levels rose or remained the same.

>

> The researchers concluded that preventative treatment of normal TSH

> range patients with Hashimoto's disease reduced the various markers of

> autoimmune thyroiditis, and speculated that that such treatment might

> even be able to stop the progression of Hashimoto's disease, or

> perhaps even prevent development of the hypothyroidism. " ©2004 About,

> Inc. All rights reserved. A PRIMEDIA Company.

> http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroidism/a/hashivshypo.htm

>

>

> Toni

> List Owner of:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GDHWS/

> This is for guide dog handlers with residual vision.

> And

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ToniAtGDB/

> This mailing list is to share my experiences in getting my next guide dog.

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