RE: ADA A1C information

[Guest guest]

It mostly affects the rotation of your arms, especially putting them above

your head. My favorite swimming stroke has always been the back stroke,

which I can no longer do, since I can no longer make a straight circular

rotation of the arm. I also think it makes you more susceptible to rotar

cuff tares, which has happened to me in both of my shoulders. Of course one

of my tares was due to being stupid and lifting a heavy weight, a lot

heavier than I thought it was in the nautolis machine, but I lifted it any

way and heard a loud snap in my left shoulder, which resulted in not being

able to no longer raise my hand in a straight arm fashion above my head for

almost a year with the greater part of that year being racked with pain in

the left shoulder. Today I can lift my arm above my head, but I still have

pain in that shoulder, six years after the initial tare. The rotar cuff

problem in my right shoulder is not as severe, and it came on gradually

until one day I noticed I could barely lift my arm above my head and had

lots of pain. I still have some pain in this shoulder today, but at least

it is not as bad as my left shoulder. At least I can sleep laying down,

whereas after my first rotar cuff tare with my left shoulder, it took me

around six months of physical therapy and pain before I could sleep laying

down. I had to sit up in a chair to sleep for the first six months.

ADA A1C information

>>

>>

>>>

>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the " normal

>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability of

>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>

>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6 range

>>> where

>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more general

>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs out

>>> for

>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure of

>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched complications

>>> such

>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels etc.

>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any thresholds are

>>> not

>>> known.

>>>

>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not just

>>> for

>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as connective

>>> tissue

>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>> shoulder.

>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and diabetics

>>> are

>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar age.

>>> If

>>> a

>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new cells

>>> is

>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having limbs

>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other things

>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>

>>> XB

>>> IC|XC

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

It mostly affects the rotation of your arms, especially putting them above

your head. My favorite swimming stroke has always been the back stroke,

which I can no longer do, since I can no longer make a straight circular

rotation of the arm. I also think it makes you more susceptible to rotar

cuff tares, which has happened to me in both of my shoulders. Of course one

of my tares was due to being stupid and lifting a heavy weight, a lot

heavier than I thought it was in the nautolis machine, but I lifted it any

way and heard a loud snap in my left shoulder, which resulted in not being

able to no longer raise my hand in a straight arm fashion above my head for

almost a year with the greater part of that year being racked with pain in

the left shoulder. Today I can lift my arm above my head, but I still have

pain in that shoulder, six years after the initial tare. The rotar cuff

problem in my right shoulder is not as severe, and it came on gradually

until one day I noticed I could barely lift my arm above my head and had

lots of pain. I still have some pain in this shoulder today, but at least

it is not as bad as my left shoulder. At least I can sleep laying down,

whereas after my first rotar cuff tare with my left shoulder, it took me

around six months of physical therapy and pain before I could sleep laying

down. I had to sit up in a chair to sleep for the first six months.

ADA A1C information

>>

>>

>>>

>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the " normal

>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability of

>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>

>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6 range

>>> where

>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more general

>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs out

>>> for

>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure of

>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched complications

>>> such

>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels etc.

>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any thresholds are

>>> not

>>> known.

>>>

>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not just

>>> for

>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as connective

>>> tissue

>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>> shoulder.

>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and diabetics

>>> are

>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar age.

>>> If

>>> a

>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new cells

>>> is

>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having limbs

>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other things

>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>

>>> XB

>>> IC|XC

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

so really the bottom line is if we pay no attention to watching our amount

of carbs that we eat, then slowly over time our bodies will begin to fall

apart and the diabetes will kill us in the end and it probably won't be a

pleasant way to die.

ADA A1C information

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The below is different then the range one would get if non-diabetics

>>>>>> were

>>>>>> tested, which is by definition the normal a1c range. The below

>>>>>> reflects

>>>>>> the range of views about clinical goals in treatment, not what is the

>>>>>> normal range. Dr. Bernstein illustrates this by saying he asks every

>>>>>> meter

>>>>>> salesman to do a test on himself on the spot and this reveals the

>>>>>> normal

>>>>>> range.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> " I'm going to be frank: your continual harping on a normal A1C being

>>>>>> between

>>>>>> 4.2 and 5.2 is sheer twaddle and does a severe disservice to

>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>> both

>>>>>> old and new including yourself. For starters, it depends upon what

>>>>>> lab

>>>>>> you

>>>>>> use what a " normal " A1C is. Some go between 4.8 and 6.2 (a navy lab,

>>>>>> I

>>>>>> believe); the National Diabetes, Digestive and Kidney Diseases

>>>>>> Institute

>>>>>> of

>>>>>> the NIH say a " normal " A1C is between 4 and 6; the ADA also says

>>>>>> this;

>>>>>> The

>>>>>> AACE says 3.8 to 6 and I've seen 4.2 to 6 elsewhere. In fact, there

>>>>>> *is*

>>>>>> no

>>>>>> national standard for A1C measurement. "

>>>>>>

>>>>>> XB

>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

so really the bottom line is if we pay no attention to watching our amount

of carbs that we eat, then slowly over time our bodies will begin to fall

apart and the diabetes will kill us in the end and it probably won't be a

pleasant way to die.

ADA A1C information

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The below is different then the range one would get if non-diabetics

>>>>>> were

>>>>>> tested, which is by definition the normal a1c range. The below

>>>>>> reflects

>>>>>> the range of views about clinical goals in treatment, not what is the

>>>>>> normal range. Dr. Bernstein illustrates this by saying he asks every

>>>>>> meter

>>>>>> salesman to do a test on himself on the spot and this reveals the

>>>>>> normal

>>>>>> range.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> " I'm going to be frank: your continual harping on a normal A1C being

>>>>>> between

>>>>>> 4.2 and 5.2 is sheer twaddle and does a severe disservice to

>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>> both

>>>>>> old and new including yourself. For starters, it depends upon what

>>>>>> lab

>>>>>> you

>>>>>> use what a " normal " A1C is. Some go between 4.8 and 6.2 (a navy lab,

>>>>>> I

>>>>>> believe); the National Diabetes, Digestive and Kidney Diseases

>>>>>> Institute

>>>>>> of

>>>>>> the NIH say a " normal " A1C is between 4 and 6; the ADA also says

>>>>>> this;

>>>>>> The

>>>>>> AACE says 3.8 to 6 and I've seen 4.2 to 6 elsewhere. In fact, there

>>>>>> *is*

>>>>>> no

>>>>>> national standard for A1C measurement. "

>>>>>>

>>>>>> XB

>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

so really the bottom line is if we pay no attention to watching our amount

of carbs that we eat, then slowly over time our bodies will begin to fall

apart and the diabetes will kill us in the end and it probably won't be a

pleasant way to die.

ADA A1C information

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The below is different then the range one would get if non-diabetics

>>>>>> were

>>>>>> tested, which is by definition the normal a1c range. The below

>>>>>> reflects

>>>>>> the range of views about clinical goals in treatment, not what is the

>>>>>> normal range. Dr. Bernstein illustrates this by saying he asks every

>>>>>> meter

>>>>>> salesman to do a test on himself on the spot and this reveals the

>>>>>> normal

>>>>>> range.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> " I'm going to be frank: your continual harping on a normal A1C being

>>>>>> between

>>>>>> 4.2 and 5.2 is sheer twaddle and does a severe disservice to

>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>> both

>>>>>> old and new including yourself. For starters, it depends upon what

>>>>>> lab

>>>>>> you

>>>>>> use what a " normal " A1C is. Some go between 4.8 and 6.2 (a navy lab,

>>>>>> I

>>>>>> believe); the National Diabetes, Digestive and Kidney Diseases

>>>>>> Institute

>>>>>> of

>>>>>> the NIH say a " normal " A1C is between 4 and 6; the ADA also says

>>>>>> this;

>>>>>> The

>>>>>> AACE says 3.8 to 6 and I've seen 4.2 to 6 elsewhere. In fact, there

>>>>>> *is*

>>>>>> no

>>>>>> national standard for A1C measurement. "

>>>>>>

>>>>>> XB

>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

You got it. Count them carbs and keep them bG readings down!

Mike

> so really the bottom line is if we pay no attention to watching our amount

> of carbs that we eat, then slowly over time our bodies will begin to fall

> apart and the diabetes will kill us in the end and it probably won't be a

> pleasant way to die.

> ADA A1C information

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The below is different then the range one would get if non-diabetics

>>>>>>> were

>>>>>>> tested, which is by definition the normal a1c range. The below

>>>>>>> reflects

>>>>>>> the range of views about clinical goals in treatment, not what is the

>>>>>>> normal range. Dr. Bernstein illustrates this by saying he asks every

>>>>>>> meter

>>>>>>> salesman to do a test on himself on the spot and this reveals the

>>>>>>> normal

>>>>>>> range.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> " I'm going to be frank: your continual harping on a normal A1C being

>>>>>>> between

>>>>>>> 4.2 and 5.2 is sheer twaddle and does a severe disservice to

>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>> both

>>>>>>> old and new including yourself. For starters, it depends upon what

>>>>>>> lab

>>>>>>> you

>>>>>>> use what a " normal " A1C is. Some go between 4.8 and 6.2 (a navy lab,

>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>> believe); the National Diabetes, Digestive and Kidney Diseases

>>>>>>> Institute

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>> the NIH say a " normal " A1C is between 4 and 6; the ADA also says

>>>>>>> this;

>>>>>>> The

>>>>>>> AACE says 3.8 to 6 and I've seen 4.2 to 6 elsewhere. In fact, there

>>>>>>> *is*

>>>>>>> no

>>>>>>> national standard for A1C measurement. "

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

You got it. Count them carbs and keep them bG readings down!

Mike

> so really the bottom line is if we pay no attention to watching our amount

> of carbs that we eat, then slowly over time our bodies will begin to fall

> apart and the diabetes will kill us in the end and it probably won't be a

> pleasant way to die.

> ADA A1C information

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The below is different then the range one would get if non-diabetics

>>>>>>> were

>>>>>>> tested, which is by definition the normal a1c range. The below

>>>>>>> reflects

>>>>>>> the range of views about clinical goals in treatment, not what is the

>>>>>>> normal range. Dr. Bernstein illustrates this by saying he asks every

>>>>>>> meter

>>>>>>> salesman to do a test on himself on the spot and this reveals the

>>>>>>> normal

>>>>>>> range.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> " I'm going to be frank: your continual harping on a normal A1C being

>>>>>>> between

>>>>>>> 4.2 and 5.2 is sheer twaddle and does a severe disservice to

>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>> both

>>>>>>> old and new including yourself. For starters, it depends upon what

>>>>>>> lab

>>>>>>> you

>>>>>>> use what a " normal " A1C is. Some go between 4.8 and 6.2 (a navy lab,

>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>> believe); the National Diabetes, Digestive and Kidney Diseases

>>>>>>> Institute

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>> the NIH say a " normal " A1C is between 4 and 6; the ADA also says

>>>>>>> this;

>>>>>>> The

>>>>>>> AACE says 3.8 to 6 and I've seen 4.2 to 6 elsewhere. In fact, there

>>>>>>> *is*

>>>>>>> no

>>>>>>> national standard for A1C measurement. "

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

You got it. Count them carbs and keep them bG readings down!

Mike

> so really the bottom line is if we pay no attention to watching our amount

> of carbs that we eat, then slowly over time our bodies will begin to fall

> apart and the diabetes will kill us in the end and it probably won't be a

> pleasant way to die.

> ADA A1C information

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The below is different then the range one would get if non-diabetics

>>>>>>> were

>>>>>>> tested, which is by definition the normal a1c range. The below

>>>>>>> reflects

>>>>>>> the range of views about clinical goals in treatment, not what is the

>>>>>>> normal range. Dr. Bernstein illustrates this by saying he asks every

>>>>>>> meter

>>>>>>> salesman to do a test on himself on the spot and this reveals the

>>>>>>> normal

>>>>>>> range.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> " I'm going to be frank: your continual harping on a normal A1C being

>>>>>>> between

>>>>>>> 4.2 and 5.2 is sheer twaddle and does a severe disservice to

>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>> both

>>>>>>> old and new including yourself. For starters, it depends upon what

>>>>>>> lab

>>>>>>> you

>>>>>>> use what a " normal " A1C is. Some go between 4.8 and 6.2 (a navy lab,

>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>> believe); the National Diabetes, Digestive and Kidney Diseases

>>>>>>> Institute

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>> the NIH say a " normal " A1C is between 4 and 6; the ADA also says

>>>>>>> this;

>>>>>>> The

>>>>>>> AACE says 3.8 to 6 and I've seen 4.2 to 6 elsewhere. In fact, there

>>>>>>> *is*

>>>>>>> no

>>>>>>> national standard for A1C measurement. "

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Harry, My arms hurt all the time. Is it the diabetes that makes them hurt?

I go to a family doctor instead of a endo crinologist. Maybe I should be

going to a endo crinologist instead. I thought it was the crestor that was

doing it. But after I stopped it, my arms didn't stop hurting.

Jerry Litterell

ADA A1C information

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>> " normal

>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability of

>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>

>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6 range

>>>> where

>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>> general

>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs out

>>>> for

>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure of

>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched complications

>>>> such

>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels etc.

>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any thresholds are

>>>> not

>>>> known.

>>>>

>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not just

>>>> for

>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as connective

>>>> tissue

>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>> shoulder.

>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and diabetics

>>>> are

>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar age.

>>>> If

>>>> a

>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new cells

>>>> is

>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having limbs

>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other things

>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>

>>>> XB

>>>> IC|XC

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

[Guest guest]

Harry, My arms hurt all the time. Is it the diabetes that makes them hurt?

I go to a family doctor instead of a endo crinologist. Maybe I should be

going to a endo crinologist instead. I thought it was the crestor that was

doing it. But after I stopped it, my arms didn't stop hurting.

Jerry Litterell

ADA A1C information

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>> " normal

>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability of

>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>

>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6 range

>>>> where

>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>> general

>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs out

>>>> for

>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure of

>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched complications

>>>> such

>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels etc.

>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any thresholds are

>>>> not

>>>> known.

>>>>

>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not just

>>>> for

>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as connective

>>>> tissue

>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>> shoulder.

>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and diabetics

>>>> are

>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar age.

>>>> If

>>>> a

>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new cells

>>>> is

>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having limbs

>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other things

>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>

>>>> XB

>>>> IC|XC

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

[Guest guest]

It could be the diabetes causing peripheral neuropathy, but I do not know.

What was your last A1C and how long ago was it?

Where exactly is the pain in your arm and what kind of pain is it?

ADA A1C information

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>> " normal

>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability of

>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>

>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6 range

>>>>> where

>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>> general

>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs out

>>>>> for

>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure of

>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched complications

>>>>> such

>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>> etc.

>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any thresholds

>>>>> are

>>>>> not

>>>>> known.

>>>>>

>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not just

>>>>> for

>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as connective

>>>>> tissue

>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>> diabetics

>>>>> are

>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar age.

>>>>> If

>>>>> a

>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>> cells

>>>>> is

>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>> limbs

>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other things

>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>

>>>>> XB

>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

[Guest guest]

It could be the diabetes causing peripheral neuropathy, but I do not know.

What was your last A1C and how long ago was it?

Where exactly is the pain in your arm and what kind of pain is it?

ADA A1C information

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>> " normal

>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability of

>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>

>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6 range

>>>>> where

>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>> general

>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs out

>>>>> for

>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure of

>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched complications

>>>>> such

>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>> etc.

>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any thresholds

>>>>> are

>>>>> not

>>>>> known.

>>>>>

>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not just

>>>>> for

>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as connective

>>>>> tissue

>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>> diabetics

>>>>> are

>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar age.

>>>>> If

>>>>> a

>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>> cells

>>>>> is

>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>> limbs

>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other things

>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>

>>>>> XB

>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

[Guest guest]

two things to keep in mind here. my muscle enzymes have been elevated for a

while now and it makes all my muscles hurt most of the time and that

includes my arms. also before my daddy had his first heart attack, his upper

arms hurt all the time. especially after he used his arms a lot carrying

some thing or using them to do a job. maybe it had some thing to do with his

heart attack or maybe not. but I would still bring this to the doctor

attention. also you should have a blood test done and have your muscle

enzymes checked to be sure. you are right about that medicine causing your

arms to hurt. they first thought that was my problem, but I have never taken

any kind of medicine for high cholesterol.

ADA A1C information

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>> " normal

>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability of

>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>

>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6 range

>>>>> where

>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>> general

>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs out

>>>>> for

>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure of

>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched complications

>>>>> such

>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>> etc.

>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any thresholds

>>>>> are

>>>>> not

>>>>> known.

>>>>>

>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not just

>>>>> for

>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as connective

>>>>> tissue

>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>> diabetics

>>>>> are

>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar age.

>>>>> If

>>>>> a

>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>> cells

>>>>> is

>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>> limbs

>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other things

>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>

>>>>> XB

>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

[Guest guest]

two things to keep in mind here. my muscle enzymes have been elevated for a

while now and it makes all my muscles hurt most of the time and that

includes my arms. also before my daddy had his first heart attack, his upper

arms hurt all the time. especially after he used his arms a lot carrying

some thing or using them to do a job. maybe it had some thing to do with his

heart attack or maybe not. but I would still bring this to the doctor

attention. also you should have a blood test done and have your muscle

enzymes checked to be sure. you are right about that medicine causing your

arms to hurt. they first thought that was my problem, but I have never taken

any kind of medicine for high cholesterol.

ADA A1C information

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>> " normal

>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability of

>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>

>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6 range

>>>>> where

>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>> general

>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs out

>>>>> for

>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure of

>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched complications

>>>>> such

>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>> etc.

>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any thresholds

>>>>> are

>>>>> not

>>>>> known.

>>>>>

>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not just

>>>>> for

>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as connective

>>>>> tissue

>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>> diabetics

>>>>> are

>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar age.

>>>>> If

>>>>> a

>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>> cells

>>>>> is

>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>> limbs

>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other things

>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>

>>>>> XB

>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Jerry,

You should definitely be going to an endocrinologist. Where is the pain in

your arms?

Re: ADA A1C information

Harry, My arms hurt all the time. Is it the diabetes that makes them hurt?

I go to a family doctor instead of a endo crinologist. Maybe I should be

going to a endo crinologist instead. I thought it was the crestor that was

doing it. But after I stopped it, my arms didn't stop hurting.

Jerry Litterell

ADA A1C information

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>> " normal

>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability of

>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>

>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6 range

>>>> where

>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>> general

>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs out

>>>> for

>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure of

>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched complications

>>>> such

>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels etc.

>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any thresholds are

>>>> not

>>>> known.

>>>>

>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not just

>>>> for

>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as connective

>>>> tissue

>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>> shoulder.

>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and diabetics

>>>> are

>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar age.

>>>> If

>>>> a

>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new cells

>>>> is

>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having limbs

>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other things

>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>

>>>> XB

>>>> IC|XC

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

[Guest guest]

I just had an a 1 c and it was 6.3 and 6 months ago, it was 6.4, and 6

months before that it was 5.9. The pain is like my upper arms into my

shoulders . They feel sore all of the time. The doctor checks my feet

every time I go in to have a a 1 c and I have showed no signs of neuropathy

in my feet.

Jerry Litterell

ADA A1C information

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability of

>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6 range

>>>>>> where

>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>> general

>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

>>>>>> out

>>>>>> for

>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure of

>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched complications

>>>>>> such

>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any thresholds

>>>>>> are

>>>>>> not

>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not just

>>>>>> for

>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as connective

>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>> are

>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar age.

>>>>>> If

>>>>>> a

>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>> cells

>>>>>> is

>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other things

>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> XB

>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

I just had an a 1 c and it was 6.3 and 6 months ago, it was 6.4, and 6

months before that it was 5.9. The pain is like my upper arms into my

shoulders . They feel sore all of the time. The doctor checks my feet

every time I go in to have a a 1 c and I have showed no signs of neuropathy

in my feet.

Jerry Litterell

ADA A1C information

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability of

>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6 range

>>>>>> where

>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>> general

>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

>>>>>> out

>>>>>> for

>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure of

>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched complications

>>>>>> such

>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any thresholds

>>>>>> are

>>>>>> not

>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not just

>>>>>> for

>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as connective

>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>> are

>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar age.

>>>>>> If

>>>>>> a

>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>> cells

>>>>>> is

>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other things

>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> XB

>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

It appears that for the past year your A1C's have been on the rise. What do

you think caused that to happen?

Is it too many carbs?

Is it medication failure?

Is it that your pancrease is playing out?

Is it an infection in your body?

I could go on asking questions, but maybe you know the reason or reasons why

your A1C's have been on the rise for the past year.

Let us know your thoughts.

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure of

>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any thresholds

>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as connective

>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other things

>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

It appears that for the past year your A1C's have been on the rise. What do

you think caused that to happen?

Is it too many carbs?

Is it medication failure?

Is it that your pancrease is playing out?

Is it an infection in your body?

I could go on asking questions, but maybe you know the reason or reasons why

your A1C's have been on the rise for the past year.

Let us know your thoughts.

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure of

>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any thresholds

>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as connective

>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other things

>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

I personally do not like the idea of taking statin drugs like crestor, if I

can avoid them. If one does take statin drugs of any kind they should

definitely supplement with enzyme co-q10.

If one's arms are hurting, they should definitely distinguish between DOMS

and other types of muscle soreness. DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness) is

caused by stressing the muscle to the point where it tares, and the soreness

is a result. Usually, in two or three days after the muscle stress, the

soreness goes away and causes the muscle to be stronger. With continual

stressing of the muscle while it is in the DOMS state, it will just cause

more taring and more injury to the muscle, making it weaker. Usually three

days of rest will repair the muscle. Weight lifters and body builders rely

on the DOMS phenomena to build stronger muscles.

By the way what was your last A1C test results and how long ago was it last

taken?

ADA A1C information

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability of

>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6 range

>>>>>> where

>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>> general

>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

>>>>>> out

>>>>>> for

>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure of

>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched complications

>>>>>> such

>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any thresholds

>>>>>> are

>>>>>> not

>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not just

>>>>>> for

>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as connective

>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>> are

>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar age.

>>>>>> If

>>>>>> a

>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>> cells

>>>>>> is

>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other things

>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> XB

>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

After I started walking of a morning, I had to stop taking my Actos, because

my bs was down to about 98 to 125 of a morning. However, when I don't take

the Actos and I eat what I shouldn't, I don't have anything in my system to

help take care of the carbs that I have taken in. I am no different than

any body else. I do cheat with my food sometimes. I guess I will have to

start taking the Actos of a morning, figuring that it will help take care of

the carbs that I take in of a day. If I experience low bs, I will just

have to deal with that also. Thanks for all the help.

Jerry Litterell

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability

>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure of

>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any thresholds

>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as connective

>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other things

>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm ... I'm gonna start sounding like Harry here.

Although there may be special circumstances which require you to keep a

bG level higher than is usual for someone who does not have diabetes, a

morning reading of 98 to 125 is, in my opinion, just what the doctor

should have ordered. The American Association of Clinical

Endocrinologists recommends a fasting blood glucose level of 90-110

mg/dl. So it seems to me that your medicine was doing just what it

should. If you were experiencing hypoglycemic symptoms, it might be

worth investigating whether or not you were experiencing what is known

as " false hypoglycemia " , that is, your body is so used to higher blood

glucose levels that it lets you know when euglycemia (normal blood

glucose) occurs because it thinks you're going too low. these symptoms

usually subside after two weeks or so. There's a good article in, I

think, the Spring, 2005 edition of NFB's " Voice of the diabetic " --

Harry just reposted it a few days ago, I believe.

As I say, you may have special circumstances. But given that keeping

your blood glucose as close as possible to the range of that for a

nondiabetic is the best way to reduce the likelihood of diabetic

complications, it's worth looking at.

Mike Freeman

> After I started walking of a morning, I had to stop taking my Actos, because

> my bs was down to about 98 to 125 of a morning. However, when I don't take

> the Actos and I eat what I shouldn't, I don't have anything in my system to

> help take care of the carbs that I have taken in. I am no different than

> any body else. I do cheat with my food sometimes. I guess I will have to

> start taking the Actos of a morning, figuring that it will help take care of

> the carbs that I take in of a day. If I experience low bs, I will just

> have to deal with that also. Thanks for all the help.

> Jerry Litterell

> ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure of

>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any thresholds

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as connective

>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other things

>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm ... I'm gonna start sounding like Harry here.

Although there may be special circumstances which require you to keep a

bG level higher than is usual for someone who does not have diabetes, a

morning reading of 98 to 125 is, in my opinion, just what the doctor

should have ordered. The American Association of Clinical

Endocrinologists recommends a fasting blood glucose level of 90-110

mg/dl. So it seems to me that your medicine was doing just what it

should. If you were experiencing hypoglycemic symptoms, it might be

worth investigating whether or not you were experiencing what is known

as " false hypoglycemia " , that is, your body is so used to higher blood

glucose levels that it lets you know when euglycemia (normal blood

glucose) occurs because it thinks you're going too low. these symptoms

usually subside after two weeks or so. There's a good article in, I

think, the Spring, 2005 edition of NFB's " Voice of the diabetic " --

Harry just reposted it a few days ago, I believe.

As I say, you may have special circumstances. But given that keeping

your blood glucose as close as possible to the range of that for a

nondiabetic is the best way to reduce the likelihood of diabetic

complications, it's worth looking at.

Mike Freeman

> After I started walking of a morning, I had to stop taking my Actos, because

> my bs was down to about 98 to 125 of a morning. However, when I don't take

> the Actos and I eat what I shouldn't, I don't have anything in my system to

> help take care of the carbs that I have taken in. I am no different than

> any body else. I do cheat with my food sometimes. I guess I will have to

> start taking the Actos of a morning, figuring that it will help take care of

> the carbs that I take in of a day. If I experience low bs, I will just

> have to deal with that also. Thanks for all the help.

> Jerry Litterell

> ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure of

>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any thresholds

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as connective

>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other things

>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Most people who exercise tight blood glucose level control do not have

hypoglycemic reactions until their bs falls below 70. Of course if a person

is use to running high bs results in the range of say 140 or higher, then

they may experience symptoms of low blood sugar at a higher than 70. This

will happen until the body adjusts to having a lower bs level overall.

I define the normal range for a bs as being between 70-120, which is the

normal range for around 98-99% of the population world wide.

When I was on Actos, I had to take it every day, and I could not miss many

days in a row. I know Actos is expensive, but it does make your insulin

resistance lower so that the glucose can get into your muscle cells and

other cells of the body.

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

I'd say 80-120 (plasma readings) but that's a minor quibble. YOu've got

it right.

Mike Freeman

> Most people who exercise tight blood glucose level control do not have

> hypoglycemic reactions until their bs falls below 70. Of course if a person

> is use to running high bs results in the range of say 140 or higher, then

> they may experience symptoms of low blood sugar at a higher than 70. This

> will happen until the body adjusts to having a lower bs level overall.

> I define the normal range for a bs as being between 70-120, which is the

> normal range for around 98-99% of the population world wide.

> When I was on Actos, I had to take it every day, and I could not miss many

> days in a row. I know Actos is expensive, but it does make your insulin

> resistance lower so that the glucose can get into your muscle cells and

> other cells of the body.

> ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability

>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>