RE: ADA A1C information

September 15, 2005

I am just asking here. Isn't diabetic unawareness more common with a type 1

diabetic than it is with a type 2 diabetic?

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>

September 16, 2005

Dear Harry, I don't know about other people, but, I know almost always when

my sugar is low. I do have better controle now. I only have trouble in the

middle of the night. I have been a Diabetic for 30 years, almost.

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> frozen

>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> having

>>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>>

September 16, 2005

Dear Harry, I don't know about other people, but, I know almost always when

my sugar is low. I do have better controle now. I only have trouble in the

middle of the night. I have been a Diabetic for 30 years, almost.

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> frozen

>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> having

>>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>>

September 16, 2005

Good for you . I was 48 whn I had a heart attack and had by-pass

surgery. As you are doing now, I changed my attitude a lot then!

Re: ADA A1C information

Dear Patrisha, Thanks, I was prepared for the kidney failure. The sudden

heart cath really bothered me. I have been studing up on this. It doesn't

sound as bad if you read the explnation they give children. *smile

sheepishly* I am working hard on the blood sugars. I test 4 to 5 times a

day. and more when I'm running low's or high's. I no longer allow my self

to get away with the excuse of I'm a brittle diabetic. I am taking action.

I only drink 1 to 2 cups of coffee and plan to cut it all to gather. I

drink water insted of pop-soada. I am working on my self. I have been on

this list for years. I know who's falt this is, I can't change what I did

in the past. I will change what I do now!

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in

>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the

>>>>>>>>>>>> more

>>>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each

>>>>>>>>>>>> measure

>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body,

>>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

>>>>>>>>>>>> frozen

>>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same

>>>>>>>>>>>> calendar

>>>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

>>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

>>>>>>>>>>>> having

>>>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are

>>>>>>>>>>>> unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>>>

September 16, 2005

I think it is, harry and I think it happens most often in type 1

diabeticswho run low blood sugars. It is very scarey as long term diabetics

who run low blood sugars, also a chance of having a heart attack during this

low blood sugar.

Re: ADA A1C information

I am just asking here. Isn't diabetic unawareness more common with a type 1

diabetic than it is with a type 2 diabetic?

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>

September 16, 2005

I think it is, harry and I think it happens most often in type 1

diabeticswho run low blood sugars. It is very scarey as long term diabetics

who run low blood sugars, also a chance of having a heart attack during this

low blood sugar.

Re: ADA A1C information

I am just asking here. Isn't diabetic unawareness more common with a type 1

diabetic than it is with a type 2 diabetic?

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>

September 16, 2005

I think it is, harry and I think it happens most often in type 1

diabeticswho run low blood sugars. It is very scarey as long term diabetics

who run low blood sugars, also a chance of having a heart attack during this

low blood sugar.

Re: ADA A1C information

I am just asking here. Isn't diabetic unawareness more common with a type 1

diabetic than it is with a type 2 diabetic?

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>

September 16, 2005

I only stopped taking the Actos because my bs was so good of a morning. I

take 15 mg and I understand that that is the small one. I have started

taking it again and take it daily. I do have health insurance and also

have a prescription plan, so it cost me about 25 dollars a month to take the

Actos. I use to take glucovance, but it was to potent. I had several

instances of low bs so the doctor changed it. I find the actos better for

me to take.

Jerry Litterell

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>> connective

>>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> frozen

>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> having

>>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>> things

>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>>

September 16, 2005

I only stopped taking the Actos because my bs was so good of a morning. I

take 15 mg and I understand that that is the small one. I have started

taking it again and take it daily. I do have health insurance and also

have a prescription plan, so it cost me about 25 dollars a month to take the

Actos. I use to take glucovance, but it was to potent. I had several

instances of low bs so the doctor changed it. I find the actos better for

me to take.

Jerry Litterell

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>> connective

>>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> frozen

>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> having

>>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>> things

>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>>

September 16, 2005

I can't take actos because it causes a lot of swelling in my feet.

Making it hard to even put on my shoes.

Does anyone else have the swelling problem?

dave

September 16, 2005

I can't take actos because it causes a lot of swelling in my feet.

Making it hard to even put on my shoes.

Does anyone else have the swelling problem?

dave

September 16, 2005

I can't take actos because it causes a lot of swelling in my feet.

Making it hard to even put on my shoes.

Does anyone else have the swelling problem?

dave

September 16, 2005

Excuse my ignorance. What is Actos? Is it a prescrption drug?

Victor

0#ã

ADA A1C information

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in

the

> >>>>>>>>>> " normal

> >>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

> >>>>>>>>>> probability

> >>>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

> >>>>>>>>>> range

> >>>>>>>>>> where

> >>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the

more

> >>>>>>>>>> general

> >>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

> >>>>>>>>>> runs

> >>>>>>>>>> out

> >>>>>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each

measure

> > of

> >>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

> >>>>>>>>>> complications

> >>>>>>>>>> such

> >>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

> >>>>>>>>>> bowels

> >>>>>>>>>> etc.

> >>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

> > thresholds

> >>>>>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>>>> not

> >>>>>>>>>> known.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body,

not

> >>>>>>>>>> just

> >>>>>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

> > connective

> >>>>>>>>>> tissue

> >>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

frozen

> >>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

> >>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

> >>>>>>>>>> diabetics

> >>>>>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same

calendar

> >>>>>>>>>> age.

> >>>>>>>>>> If

> >>>>>>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

new

> >>>>>>>>>> cells

> >>>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

having

> >>>>>>>>>> limbs

> >>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

> > things

> >>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are

unknown.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> XB

> >>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

> >>>>>>>>>>

September 16, 2005

Excuse my ignorance. What is Actos? Is it a prescrption drug?

Victor

0#ã

ADA A1C information

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in

the

> >>>>>>>>>> " normal

> >>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

> >>>>>>>>>> probability

> >>>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

> >>>>>>>>>> range

> >>>>>>>>>> where

> >>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the

more

> >>>>>>>>>> general

> >>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

> >>>>>>>>>> runs

> >>>>>>>>>> out

> >>>>>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each

measure

> > of

> >>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

> >>>>>>>>>> complications

> >>>>>>>>>> such

> >>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

> >>>>>>>>>> bowels

> >>>>>>>>>> etc.

> >>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

> > thresholds

> >>>>>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>>>> not

> >>>>>>>>>> known.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body,

not

> >>>>>>>>>> just

> >>>>>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

> > connective

> >>>>>>>>>> tissue

> >>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

frozen

> >>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

> >>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

> >>>>>>>>>> diabetics

> >>>>>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same

calendar

> >>>>>>>>>> age.

> >>>>>>>>>> If

> >>>>>>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

new

> >>>>>>>>>> cells

> >>>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

having

> >>>>>>>>>> limbs

> >>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

> > things

> >>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are

unknown.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> XB

> >>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

> >>>>>>>>>>

September 16, 2005

Excuse my ignorance. What is Actos? Is it a prescrption drug?

Victor

0#ã

ADA A1C information

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in

the

> >>>>>>>>>> " normal

> >>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

> >>>>>>>>>> probability

> >>>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

> >>>>>>>>>> range

> >>>>>>>>>> where

> >>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the

more

> >>>>>>>>>> general

> >>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

> >>>>>>>>>> runs

> >>>>>>>>>> out

> >>>>>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each

measure

> > of

> >>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

> >>>>>>>>>> complications

> >>>>>>>>>> such

> >>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

> >>>>>>>>>> bowels

> >>>>>>>>>> etc.

> >>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

> > thresholds

> >>>>>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>>>> not

> >>>>>>>>>> known.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body,

not

> >>>>>>>>>> just

> >>>>>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

> > connective

> >>>>>>>>>> tissue

> >>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

frozen

> >>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

> >>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

> >>>>>>>>>> diabetics

> >>>>>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same

calendar

> >>>>>>>>>> age.

> >>>>>>>>>> If

> >>>>>>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

new

> >>>>>>>>>> cells

> >>>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

having

> >>>>>>>>>> limbs

> >>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

> > things

> >>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are

unknown.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> XB

> >>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

> >>>>>>>>>>

September 16, 2005

Speaking as a long term type 1, that doesn't happen pat if you check your sugar

frequently enough. I.E pre meal, 2 hours past eating, etc.

I know you know that Pat but wanted to post it for newbies. Main thing is, you

will not pass out if you check enough. It is only when you *assume* you are ok

that you can get in big trouble and pass out.

Regards,

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>

September 16, 2005

Speaking as a long term type 1, that doesn't happen pat if you check your sugar

frequently enough. I.E pre meal, 2 hours past eating, etc.

I know you know that Pat but wanted to post it for newbies. Main thing is, you

will not pass out if you check enough. It is only when you *assume* you are ok

that you can get in big trouble and pass out.

Regards,

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>

September 16, 2005

Speaking as a long term type 1, that doesn't happen pat if you check your sugar

frequently enough. I.E pre meal, 2 hours past eating, etc.

I know you know that Pat but wanted to post it for newbies. Main thing is, you

will not pass out if you check enough. It is only when you *assume* you are ok

that you can get in big trouble and pass out.

Regards,

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>

September 16, 2005

Dr Bernsteins symptoms totally reversed by getting his a1c down to 4.5 to 5.0

range. His situation was as bad as yours . you never know what the human

body will do if you get the a1c in normal range. Not trying to toss out false

hope here, but, you never know...

Regards,

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> frozen

>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> having

>>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>>

September 16, 2005

It is on e of the prescription drugs used for type 2 diabetics to make yur

cells less resistant to insulin.

Re: ADA A1C information

Excuse my ignorance. What is Actos? Is it a prescrption drug?

Victor

0#ã

ADA A1C information

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in

the

> >>>>>>>>>> " normal

> >>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

> >>>>>>>>>> probability

> >>>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

> >>>>>>>>>> range

> >>>>>>>>>> where

> >>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the

more

> >>>>>>>>>> general

> >>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

> >>>>>>>>>> runs

> >>>>>>>>>> out

> >>>>>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each

measure

> > of

> >>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

> >>>>>>>>>> complications

> >>>>>>>>>> such

> >>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

> >>>>>>>>>> bowels

> >>>>>>>>>> etc.

> >>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

> > thresholds

> >>>>>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>>>> not

> >>>>>>>>>> known.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body,

not

> >>>>>>>>>> just

> >>>>>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

> > connective

> >>>>>>>>>> tissue

> >>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

frozen

> >>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

> >>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

> >>>>>>>>>> diabetics

> >>>>>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same

calendar

> >>>>>>>>>> age.

> >>>>>>>>>> If

> >>>>>>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

new

> >>>>>>>>>> cells

> >>>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

having

> >>>>>>>>>> limbs

> >>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

> > things

> >>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are

unknown.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> XB

> >>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

> >>>>>>>>>>

September 16, 2005

It is on e of the prescription drugs used for type 2 diabetics to make yur

cells less resistant to insulin.

Re: ADA A1C information

Excuse my ignorance. What is Actos? Is it a prescrption drug?

Victor

0#ã

ADA A1C information

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in

the

> >>>>>>>>>> " normal

> >>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

> >>>>>>>>>> probability

> >>>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

> >>>>>>>>>> range

> >>>>>>>>>> where

> >>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the

more

> >>>>>>>>>> general

> >>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

> >>>>>>>>>> runs

> >>>>>>>>>> out

> >>>>>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each

measure

> > of

> >>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

> >>>>>>>>>> complications

> >>>>>>>>>> such

> >>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

> >>>>>>>>>> bowels

> >>>>>>>>>> etc.

> >>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

> > thresholds

> >>>>>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>>>> not

> >>>>>>>>>> known.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body,

not

> >>>>>>>>>> just

> >>>>>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

> > connective

> >>>>>>>>>> tissue

> >>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

frozen

> >>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

> >>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

> >>>>>>>>>> diabetics

> >>>>>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same

calendar

> >>>>>>>>>> age.

> >>>>>>>>>> If

> >>>>>>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

new

> >>>>>>>>>> cells

> >>>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

having

> >>>>>>>>>> limbs

> >>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

> > things

> >>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are

unknown.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> XB

> >>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

> >>>>>>>>>>

September 16, 2005

It is on e of the prescription drugs used for type 2 diabetics to make yur

cells less resistant to insulin.

Re: ADA A1C information

Excuse my ignorance. What is Actos? Is it a prescrption drug?

Victor

0#ã

ADA A1C information

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in

the

> >>>>>>>>>> " normal

> >>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

> >>>>>>>>>> probability

> >>>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

> >>>>>>>>>> range

> >>>>>>>>>> where

> >>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the

more

> >>>>>>>>>> general

> >>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

> >>>>>>>>>> runs

> >>>>>>>>>> out

> >>>>>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each

measure

> > of

> >>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

> >>>>>>>>>> complications

> >>>>>>>>>> such

> >>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

> >>>>>>>>>> bowels

> >>>>>>>>>> etc.

> >>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

> > thresholds

> >>>>>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>>>> not

> >>>>>>>>>> known.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body,

not

> >>>>>>>>>> just

> >>>>>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

> > connective

> >>>>>>>>>> tissue

> >>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

frozen

> >>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

> >>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

> >>>>>>>>>> diabetics

> >>>>>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same

calendar

> >>>>>>>>>> age.

> >>>>>>>>>> If

> >>>>>>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

new

> >>>>>>>>>> cells

> >>>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

having

> >>>>>>>>>> limbs

> >>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

> > things

> >>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are

unknown.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> XB

> >>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

> >>>>>>>>>>

September 16, 2005

Or if you take your insulin and are more active than you anticipated so

it begins to take effect earlier than you gauged it would. I ran into

that one when I was packing to come home from the NFB convention. I had

taken my insulin and had breakfast ready-to-go and was packing and

figured I'd eat in another few minutes (after I was done) but I was

rushing around and the insulin got going faster than I predicted so

broke into a cold sweat. Needless-to-say, I ate breakfast so that by the

time I was ready to leave, I was fine.

Mike

> Speaking as a long term type 1, that doesn't happen pat if you check your

sugar frequently enough. I.E pre meal, 2 hours past eating, etc.

>

> I know you know that Pat but wanted to post it for newbies. Main thing is, you

will not pass out if you check enough. It is only when you *assume* you are ok

that you can get in big trouble and pass out.

>

> Regards,

>

> ADA A1C information

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

> >>>>>>>>> " normal

> >>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability

> >>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

> >>>>>>>>> range

> >>>>>>>>> where

> >>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

> >>>>>>>>> general

> >>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

> >>>>>>>>> out

> >>>>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

> >>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

> >>>>>>>>> complications

> >>>>>>>>> such

> >>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

> >>>>>>>>> etc.

> >>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

> >>>>>>>>> thresholds

> >>>>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>>> not

> >>>>>>>>> known.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

> >>>>>>>>> just

> >>>>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

> >>>>>>>>> connective

> >>>>>>>>> tissue

> >>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

> >>>>>>>>> shoulder.

> >>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

> >>>>>>>>> diabetics

> >>>>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

> >>>>>>>>> age.

> >>>>>>>>> If

> >>>>>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

> >>>>>>>>> cells

> >>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

> >>>>>>>>> limbs

> >>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

> >>>>>>>>> things

> >>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> XB

> >>>>>>>>> IC|XC

> >>>>>>>>>

September 16, 2005

Or if you take your insulin and are more active than you anticipated so

it begins to take effect earlier than you gauged it would. I ran into

that one when I was packing to come home from the NFB convention. I had

taken my insulin and had breakfast ready-to-go and was packing and

figured I'd eat in another few minutes (after I was done) but I was

rushing around and the insulin got going faster than I predicted so

broke into a cold sweat. Needless-to-say, I ate breakfast so that by the

time I was ready to leave, I was fine.

Mike

> Speaking as a long term type 1, that doesn't happen pat if you check your

sugar frequently enough. I.E pre meal, 2 hours past eating, etc.

>

> I know you know that Pat but wanted to post it for newbies. Main thing is, you

will not pass out if you check enough. It is only when you *assume* you are ok

that you can get in big trouble and pass out.

>

> Regards,

>

> ADA A1C information

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

> >>>>>>>>> " normal

> >>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability

> >>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

> >>>>>>>>> range

> >>>>>>>>> where

> >>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

> >>>>>>>>> general

> >>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

> >>>>>>>>> out

> >>>>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

> >>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

> >>>>>>>>> complications

> >>>>>>>>> such

> >>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

> >>>>>>>>> etc.

> >>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

> >>>>>>>>> thresholds

> >>>>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>>> not

> >>>>>>>>> known.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

> >>>>>>>>> just

> >>>>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

> >>>>>>>>> connective

> >>>>>>>>> tissue

> >>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

> >>>>>>>>> shoulder.

> >>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

> >>>>>>>>> diabetics

> >>>>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

> >>>>>>>>> age.

> >>>>>>>>> If

> >>>>>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

> >>>>>>>>> cells

> >>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

> >>>>>>>>> limbs

> >>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

> >>>>>>>>> things

> >>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> XB

> >>>>>>>>> IC|XC

> >>>>>>>>>

September 16, 2005

Or if you take your insulin and are more active than you anticipated so

it begins to take effect earlier than you gauged it would. I ran into

that one when I was packing to come home from the NFB convention. I had

taken my insulin and had breakfast ready-to-go and was packing and

figured I'd eat in another few minutes (after I was done) but I was

rushing around and the insulin got going faster than I predicted so

broke into a cold sweat. Needless-to-say, I ate breakfast so that by the

time I was ready to leave, I was fine.

Mike

> Speaking as a long term type 1, that doesn't happen pat if you check your

sugar frequently enough. I.E pre meal, 2 hours past eating, etc.

>

> I know you know that Pat but wanted to post it for newbies. Main thing is, you

will not pass out if you check enough. It is only when you *assume* you are ok

that you can get in big trouble and pass out.

>

> Regards,

>

> ADA A1C information

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

> >>>>>>>>> " normal

> >>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability

> >>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

> >>>>>>>>> range

> >>>>>>>>> where

> >>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

> >>>>>>>>> general

> >>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

> >>>>>>>>> out

> >>>>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

> >>>>>>>>> of

> >>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

> >>>>>>>>> complications

> >>>>>>>>> such

> >>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

> >>>>>>>>> etc.

> >>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

> >>>>>>>>> thresholds

> >>>>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>>> not

> >>>>>>>>> known.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

> >>>>>>>>> just

> >>>>>>>>> for

> >>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

> >>>>>>>>> connective

> >>>>>>>>> tissue

> >>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

> >>>>>>>>> shoulder.

> >>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

> >>>>>>>>> diabetics

> >>>>>>>>> are

> >>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

> >>>>>>>>> age.

> >>>>>>>>> If

> >>>>>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

> >>>>>>>>> cells

> >>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

> >>>>>>>>> limbs

> >>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

> >>>>>>>>> things

> >>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> XB

> >>>>>>>>> IC|XC

> >>>>>>>>>

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