RE: ADA A1C information

[Guest guest]

I'd say 80-120 (plasma readings) but that's a minor quibble. YOu've got

it right.

Mike Freeman

> Most people who exercise tight blood glucose level control do not have

> hypoglycemic reactions until their bs falls below 70. Of course if a person

> is use to running high bs results in the range of say 140 or higher, then

> they may experience symptoms of low blood sugar at a higher than 70. This

> will happen until the body adjusts to having a lower bs level overall.

> I define the normal range for a bs as being between 70-120, which is the

> normal range for around 98-99% of the population world wide.

> When I was on Actos, I had to take it every day, and I could not miss many

> days in a row. I know Actos is expensive, but it does make your insulin

> resistance lower so that the glucose can get into your muscle cells and

> other cells of the body.

> ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability

>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

For once Mike we completely agree with the range of 80-120. I was just

testing to see if you are on the ball!<smile>

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> frozen

>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> having

>>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

For once Mike we completely agree with the range of 80-120. I was just

testing to see if you are on the ball!<smile>

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> frozen

>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> having

>>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

<<GRIN>>

> For once Mike we completely agree with the range of 80-120. I was just

> testing to see if you are on the ball!<smile>

> ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

>>>>>>>>>>>> frozen

>>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

>>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

>>>>>>>>>>>> having

>>>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jerry, I hope you take Harry's advice seriously. I am a juvenile

Diabetic. I spent most of my life fallowing the doctors advice fallowing

the regular way of monitoring my diabetes. I got older and did not keep it

under control. Last year I had to go to the Kidney transplant specialist.

Now they are saying Heart catheterization. I am not even 38 yet. Please

listen to these guy's and take your diabetes seriously.

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> frozen

>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> having

>>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jerry, I hope you take Harry's advice seriously. I am a juvenile

Diabetic. I spent most of my life fallowing the doctors advice fallowing

the regular way of monitoring my diabetes. I got older and did not keep it

under control. Last year I had to go to the Kidney transplant specialist.

Now they are saying Heart catheterization. I am not even 38 yet. Please

listen to these guy's and take your diabetes seriously.

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> frozen

>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> having

>>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

,

I am sorry to hear about your plight. If they are considering heart

blockage evaluation and correction, I would definitely recommend you get on

a daily therapeutic dose of flush free niacin for the rest of your life.

This dose of niacin would be a total per day between 1000 mg and 3000 mg

preferably in divided doses each day. It is cheap, since a 500 mg capsule

of flush free niacin can be bought at your local pharmacy or drug discount

store for less than 7 cents each per capsule. You do not need a

prescription to purchase it and it will not interfere with any medications

you are already taking. I am very serious about this matter, having

survived three heart attacks and two heart by-pass surgeries plus one

stroke. Had I only been taking niacin, a simple vitamin B3 all those years,

maybe I could have avoided all those problems, but I will never know. I can

only surmise.

I make this recommendation to you since I know most doctors will never do

so, because it is not in their financial interest to do so. I am a strong

believer in prevention rather than rehabilitation whenever possible now.

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in

>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the

>>>>>>>>>>>> more

>>>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each

>>>>>>>>>>>> measure

>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body,

>>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

>>>>>>>>>>>> frozen

>>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same

>>>>>>>>>>>> calendar

>>>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

>>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

>>>>>>>>>>>> having

>>>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are

>>>>>>>>>>>> unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

I think the operative word here is " MAYBE " !

Mike

> ,

> I am sorry to hear about your plight. If they are considering heart

> blockage evaluation and correction, I would definitely recommend you get on

> a daily therapeutic dose of flush free niacin for the rest of your life.

> This dose of niacin would be a total per day between 1000 mg and 3000 mg

> preferably in divided doses each day. It is cheap, since a 500 mg capsule

> of flush free niacin can be bought at your local pharmacy or drug discount

> store for less than 7 cents each per capsule. You do not need a

> prescription to purchase it and it will not interfere with any medications

> you are already taking. I am very serious about this matter, having

> survived three heart attacks and two heart by-pass surgeries plus one

> stroke. Had I only been taking niacin, a simple vitamin B3 all those years,

> maybe I could have avoided all those problems, but I will never know. I can

> only surmise.

> I make this recommendation to you since I know most doctors will never do

> so, because it is not in their financial interest to do so. I am a strong

> believer in prevention rather than rehabilitation whenever possible now.

> ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in

>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> more

>>>>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each

>>>>>>>>>>>>> measure

>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body,

>>>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

>>>>>>>>>>>>> frozen

>>>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same

>>>>>>>>>>>>> calendar

>>>>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

>>>>>>>>>>>>> having

>>>>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are

>>>>>>>>>>>>> unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

I think the operative word here is " MAYBE " !

Mike

> ,

> I am sorry to hear about your plight. If they are considering heart

> blockage evaluation and correction, I would definitely recommend you get on

> a daily therapeutic dose of flush free niacin for the rest of your life.

> This dose of niacin would be a total per day between 1000 mg and 3000 mg

> preferably in divided doses each day. It is cheap, since a 500 mg capsule

> of flush free niacin can be bought at your local pharmacy or drug discount

> store for less than 7 cents each per capsule. You do not need a

> prescription to purchase it and it will not interfere with any medications

> you are already taking. I am very serious about this matter, having

> survived three heart attacks and two heart by-pass surgeries plus one

> stroke. Had I only been taking niacin, a simple vitamin B3 all those years,

> maybe I could have avoided all those problems, but I will never know. I can

> only surmise.

> I make this recommendation to you since I know most doctors will never do

> so, because it is not in their financial interest to do so. I am a strong

> believer in prevention rather than rehabilitation whenever possible now.

> ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in

>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> more

>>>>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each

>>>>>>>>>>>>> measure

>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body,

>>>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

>>>>>>>>>>>>> frozen

>>>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same

>>>>>>>>>>>>> calendar

>>>>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

>>>>>>>>>>>>> having

>>>>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are

>>>>>>>>>>>>> unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Harry, I will do so emeaditly! I have kept my blood sugars down now

for a year. I am down to a A1c of 6.1. a real inprovment for me.

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in

>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6

>>>>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> more

>>>>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each

>>>>>>>>>>>>> measure

>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body,

>>>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

>>>>>>>>>>>>> frozen

>>>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same

>>>>>>>>>>>>> calendar

>>>>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

>>>>>>>>>>>>> having

>>>>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are

>>>>>>>>>>>>> unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Harry, I will do so emeaditly! I have kept my blood sugars down now

for a year. I am down to a A1c of 6.1. a real inprovment for me.

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in

>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6

>>>>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> more

>>>>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each

>>>>>>>>>>>>> measure

>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body,

>>>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

>>>>>>>>>>>>> frozen

>>>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same

>>>>>>>>>>>>> calendar

>>>>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

>>>>>>>>>>>>> having

>>>>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are

>>>>>>>>>>>>> unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

, A heart cath sounds very scarey. I have had 3 of them. They are not

so awful and maybe thy can do something to improve the circulation. But as

others haere have told you, keeping the diabetes under control so no further

damage happens is so important.I don't really know if the niacin that Harry

recommends will help, but it certainly can't hurt. Best of luck. Let us

know how things turn out.

Re: ADA A1C information

Dear Jerry, I hope you take Harry's advice seriously. I am a juvenile

Diabetic. I spent most of my life fallowing the doctors advice fallowing

the regular way of monitoring my diabetes. I got older and did not keep it

under control. Last year I had to go to the Kidney transplant specialist.

Now they are saying Heart catheterization. I am not even 38 yet. Please

listen to these guy's and take your diabetes seriously.

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> frozen

>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> having

>>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

, A heart cath sounds very scarey. I have had 3 of them. They are not

so awful and maybe thy can do something to improve the circulation. But as

others haere have told you, keeping the diabetes under control so no further

damage happens is so important.I don't really know if the niacin that Harry

recommends will help, but it certainly can't hurt. Best of luck. Let us

know how things turn out.

Re: ADA A1C information

Dear Jerry, I hope you take Harry's advice seriously. I am a juvenile

Diabetic. I spent most of my life fallowing the doctors advice fallowing

the regular way of monitoring my diabetes. I got older and did not keep it

under control. Last year I had to go to the Kidney transplant specialist.

Now they are saying Heart catheterization. I am not even 38 yet. Please

listen to these guy's and take your diabetes seriously.

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> frozen

>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

>>>>>>>>>>> having

>>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

That is tue about the low. I run low blood sugars, so do't feel low until I

am around 60 or even lower-very scarey as I am afraid I will recognize when

it gets too low and pass out on the street.I have a friend who that happened

to frequently until she (under her doctors order) started running her sugars

a little higher. It was much preferable to passing out at work-which

happened to her several times. It is called diabetic unawareness and is a

not so good thing to experience!

Re: ADA A1C information

Most people who exercise tight blood glucose level control do not have

hypoglycemic reactions until their bs falls below 70. Of course if a person

is use to running high bs results in the range of say 140 or higher, then

they may experience symptoms of low blood sugar at a higher than 70. This

will happen until the body adjusts to having a lower bs level overall.

I define the normal range for a bs as being between 70-120, which is the

normal range for around 98-99% of the population world wide.

When I was on Actos, I had to take it every day, and I could not miss many

days in a row. I know Actos is expensive, but it does make your insulin

resistance lower so that the glucose can get into your muscle cells and

other cells of the body.

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

That is tue about the low. I run low blood sugars, so do't feel low until I

am around 60 or even lower-very scarey as I am afraid I will recognize when

it gets too low and pass out on the street.I have a friend who that happened

to frequently until she (under her doctors order) started running her sugars

a little higher. It was much preferable to passing out at work-which

happened to her several times. It is called diabetic unawareness and is a

not so good thing to experience!

Re: ADA A1C information

Most people who exercise tight blood glucose level control do not have

hypoglycemic reactions until their bs falls below 70. Of course if a person

is use to running high bs results in the range of say 140 or higher, then

they may experience symptoms of low blood sugar at a higher than 70. This

will happen until the body adjusts to having a lower bs level overall.

I define the normal range for a bs as being between 70-120, which is the

normal range for around 98-99% of the population world wide.

When I was on Actos, I had to take it every day, and I could not miss many

days in a row. I know Actos is expensive, but it does make your insulin

resistance lower so that the glucose can get into your muscle cells and

other cells of the body.

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

That is tue about the low. I run low blood sugars, so do't feel low until I

am around 60 or even lower-very scarey as I am afraid I will recognize when

it gets too low and pass out on the street.I have a friend who that happened

to frequently until she (under her doctors order) started running her sugars

a little higher. It was much preferable to passing out at work-which

happened to her several times. It is called diabetic unawareness and is a

not so good thing to experience!

Re: ADA A1C information

Most people who exercise tight blood glucose level control do not have

hypoglycemic reactions until their bs falls below 70. Of course if a person

is use to running high bs results in the range of say 140 or higher, then

they may experience symptoms of low blood sugar at a higher than 70. This

will happen until the body adjusts to having a lower bs level overall.

I define the normal range for a bs as being between 70-120, which is the

normal range for around 98-99% of the population world wide.

When I was on Actos, I had to take it every day, and I could not miss many

days in a row. I know Actos is expensive, but it does make your insulin

resistance lower so that the glucose can get into your muscle cells and

other cells of the body.

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Also, Jerry

You can feel low if your blood sugar is in the normal range, but is in the

process of dropping. For instance, you may mesure your BG and it between

98-125, but if you measured it an hour later and it is say 70, you would

feel ike you are low just becaue it is dropping. It is not a good thing to

not take your meds as it can ruin your control for the rest of the day.

Re: ADA A1C information

Hmmm ... I'm gonna start sounding like Harry here.

Although there may be special circumstances which require you to keep a

bG level higher than is usual for someone who does not have diabetes, a

morning reading of 98 to 125 is, in my opinion, just what the doctor

should have ordered. The American Association of Clinical

Endocrinologists recommends a fasting blood glucose level of 90-110

mg/dl. So it seems to me that your medicine was doing just what it

should. If you were experiencing hypoglycemic symptoms, it might be

worth investigating whether or not you were experiencing what is known

as " false hypoglycemia " , that is, your body is so used to higher blood

glucose levels that it lets you know when euglycemia (normal blood

glucose) occurs because it thinks you're going too low. these symptoms

usually subside after two weeks or so. There's a good article in, I

think, the Spring, 2005 edition of NFB's " Voice of the diabetic " --

Harry just reposted it a few days ago, I believe.

As I say, you may have special circumstances. But given that keeping

your blood glucose as close as possible to the range of that for a

nondiabetic is the best way to reduce the likelihood of diabetic

complications, it's worth looking at.

Mike Freeman

> After I started walking of a morning, I had to stop taking my Actos,

because

> my bs was down to about 98 to 125 of a morning. However, when I don't

take

> the Actos and I eat what I shouldn't, I don't have anything in my system

to

> help take care of the carbs that I have taken in. I am no different than

> any body else. I do cheat with my food sometimes. I guess I will have to

> start taking the Actos of a morning, figuring that it will help take care

of

> the carbs that I take in of a day. If I experience low bs, I will just

> have to deal with that also. Thanks for all the help.

> Jerry Litterell

> ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

of

>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

thresholds

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

connective

>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

things

>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Also, Jerry

You can feel low if your blood sugar is in the normal range, but is in the

process of dropping. For instance, you may mesure your BG and it between

98-125, but if you measured it an hour later and it is say 70, you would

feel ike you are low just becaue it is dropping. It is not a good thing to

not take your meds as it can ruin your control for the rest of the day.

Re: ADA A1C information

Hmmm ... I'm gonna start sounding like Harry here.

Although there may be special circumstances which require you to keep a

bG level higher than is usual for someone who does not have diabetes, a

morning reading of 98 to 125 is, in my opinion, just what the doctor

should have ordered. The American Association of Clinical

Endocrinologists recommends a fasting blood glucose level of 90-110

mg/dl. So it seems to me that your medicine was doing just what it

should. If you were experiencing hypoglycemic symptoms, it might be

worth investigating whether or not you were experiencing what is known

as " false hypoglycemia " , that is, your body is so used to higher blood

glucose levels that it lets you know when euglycemia (normal blood

glucose) occurs because it thinks you're going too low. these symptoms

usually subside after two weeks or so. There's a good article in, I

think, the Spring, 2005 edition of NFB's " Voice of the diabetic " --

Harry just reposted it a few days ago, I believe.

As I say, you may have special circumstances. But given that keeping

your blood glucose as close as possible to the range of that for a

nondiabetic is the best way to reduce the likelihood of diabetic

complications, it's worth looking at.

Mike Freeman

> After I started walking of a morning, I had to stop taking my Actos,

because

> my bs was down to about 98 to 125 of a morning. However, when I don't

take

> the Actos and I eat what I shouldn't, I don't have anything in my system

to

> help take care of the carbs that I have taken in. I am no different than

> any body else. I do cheat with my food sometimes. I guess I will have to

> start taking the Actos of a morning, figuring that it will help take care

of

> the carbs that I take in of a day. If I experience low bs, I will just

> have to deal with that also. Thanks for all the help.

> Jerry Litterell

> ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

of

>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

thresholds

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

connective

>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

things

>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Also, Jerry

You can feel low if your blood sugar is in the normal range, but is in the

process of dropping. For instance, you may mesure your BG and it between

98-125, but if you measured it an hour later and it is say 70, you would

feel ike you are low just becaue it is dropping. It is not a good thing to

not take your meds as it can ruin your control for the rest of the day.

Re: ADA A1C information

Hmmm ... I'm gonna start sounding like Harry here.

Although there may be special circumstances which require you to keep a

bG level higher than is usual for someone who does not have diabetes, a

morning reading of 98 to 125 is, in my opinion, just what the doctor

should have ordered. The American Association of Clinical

Endocrinologists recommends a fasting blood glucose level of 90-110

mg/dl. So it seems to me that your medicine was doing just what it

should. If you were experiencing hypoglycemic symptoms, it might be

worth investigating whether or not you were experiencing what is known

as " false hypoglycemia " , that is, your body is so used to higher blood

glucose levels that it lets you know when euglycemia (normal blood

glucose) occurs because it thinks you're going too low. these symptoms

usually subside after two weeks or so. There's a good article in, I

think, the Spring, 2005 edition of NFB's " Voice of the diabetic " --

Harry just reposted it a few days ago, I believe.

As I say, you may have special circumstances. But given that keeping

your blood glucose as close as possible to the range of that for a

nondiabetic is the best way to reduce the likelihood of diabetic

complications, it's worth looking at.

Mike Freeman

> After I started walking of a morning, I had to stop taking my Actos,

because

> my bs was down to about 98 to 125 of a morning. However, when I don't

take

> the Actos and I eat what I shouldn't, I don't have anything in my system

to

> help take care of the carbs that I have taken in. I am no different than

> any body else. I do cheat with my food sometimes. I guess I will have to

> start taking the Actos of a morning, figuring that it will help take care

of

> the carbs that I take in of a day. If I experience low bs, I will just

> have to deal with that also. Thanks for all the help.

> Jerry Litterell

> ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the probability

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data runs

>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

of

>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and bowels

>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

thresholds

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

connective

>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

things

>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Jerry,

What doseage of Actos do you take?

I ask, since you could possibly get a pill splitter and take the highest

dose of Actos prescribed by your docdtor, then split each pill with a pill

splitter. I say this because I know Actos is very expensive. I also know

the highest dose pill cost only a little more than the low dose of Actos.

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

> of

>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

> connective

>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

> things

>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Jerry,

What doseage of Actos do you take?

I ask, since you could possibly get a pill splitter and take the highest

dose of Actos prescribed by your docdtor, then split each pill with a pill

splitter. I say this because I know Actos is very expensive. I also know

the highest dose pill cost only a little more than the low dose of Actos.

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

> of

>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

> connective

>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

> things

>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Patrisha, Thanks, I was prepared for the kidney failure. The sudden

heart cath really bothered me. I have been studing up on this. It doesn't

sound as bad if you read the explnation they give children. *smile

sheepishly* I am working hard on the blood sugars. I test 4 to 5 times a

day. and more when I'm running low's or high's. I no longer allow my self

to get away with the excuse of I'm a brittle diabetic. I am taking action.

I only drink 1 to 2 cups of coffee and plan to cut it all to gather. I

drink water insted of pop-soada. I am working on my self. I have been on

this list for years. I know who's falt this is, I can't change what I did

in the past. I will change what I do now!

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in

>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the

>>>>>>>>>>>> more

>>>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each

>>>>>>>>>>>> measure

>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body,

>>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

>>>>>>>>>>>> frozen

>>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same

>>>>>>>>>>>> calendar

>>>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

>>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

>>>>>>>>>>>> having

>>>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are

>>>>>>>>>>>> unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Patrisha, Thanks, I was prepared for the kidney failure. The sudden

heart cath really bothered me. I have been studing up on this. It doesn't

sound as bad if you read the explnation they give children. *smile

sheepishly* I am working hard on the blood sugars. I test 4 to 5 times a

day. and more when I'm running low's or high's. I no longer allow my self

to get away with the excuse of I'm a brittle diabetic. I am taking action.

I only drink 1 to 2 cups of coffee and plan to cut it all to gather. I

drink water insted of pop-soada. I am working on my self. I have been on

this list for years. I know who's falt this is, I can't change what I did

in the past. I will change what I do now!

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in

>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the

>>>>>>>>>>>> more

>>>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each

>>>>>>>>>>>> measure

>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body,

>>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

>>>>>>>>>>>> frozen

>>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same

>>>>>>>>>>>> calendar

>>>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

>>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

>>>>>>>>>>>> having

>>>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are

>>>>>>>>>>>> unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Patrisha, Thanks, I was prepared for the kidney failure. The sudden

heart cath really bothered me. I have been studing up on this. It doesn't

sound as bad if you read the explnation they give children. *smile

sheepishly* I am working hard on the blood sugars. I test 4 to 5 times a

day. and more when I'm running low's or high's. I no longer allow my self

to get away with the excuse of I'm a brittle diabetic. I am taking action.

I only drink 1 to 2 cups of coffee and plan to cut it all to gather. I

drink water insted of pop-soada. I am working on my self. I have been on

this list for years. I know who's falt this is, I can't change what I did

in the past. I will change what I do now!

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in

>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the

>>>>>>>>>>>> more

>>>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each

>>>>>>>>>>>> measure

>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body,

>>>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as

>>>>>>>>>>>> frozen

>>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same

>>>>>>>>>>>> calendar

>>>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of

>>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as

>>>>>>>>>>>> having

>>>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are

>>>>>>>>>>>> unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

I am just asking here. Isn't diabetic unawareness more common with a type 1

diabetic than it is with a type 2 diabetic?

ADA A1C information

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> " But I have not seen research indicating that once one is in the

>>>>>>>>>> " normal

>>>>>>>>>> range " , additional lowering of one's A1C decreases the

>>>>>>>>>> probability

>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> diabetic complications. "

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The better known complications kick in at the high end of the 6

>>>>>>>>>> range

>>>>>>>>>> where

>>>>>>>>>> the curve for risk increases greatly. Heart disease and the more

>>>>>>>>>> general

>>>>>>>>>> cvd risk knows no lower range starting around 5 when the data

>>>>>>>>>> runs

>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>> research into the matter. the rate is linear with each measure

>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>> increase from within the normal range. Less researched

>>>>>>>>>> complications

>>>>>>>>>> such

>>>>>>>>>> as erectile function and the neural involvement in feet and

>>>>>>>>>> bowels

>>>>>>>>>> etc.

>>>>>>>>>> have already started to kick in before diagnosis and any

>>>>>>>>>> thresholds

>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>>>> known.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The a1c is a proxy for glycation in all tissues of the body, not

>>>>>>>>>> just

>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>> blood cells. It affects more long lasting cells such as

>>>>>>>>>> connective

>>>>>>>>>> tissue

>>>>>>>>>> in skin and tendons for example and lead to such things as frozen

>>>>>>>>>> shoulder.

>>>>>>>>>> Glycation is indirectly related to rate of physical aging and

>>>>>>>>>> diabetics

>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>> often said to be 10 years older then others at the same calendar

>>>>>>>>>> age.

>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>> type 2, increased rates of beta cell death and suppression of new

>>>>>>>>>> cells

>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>> a factor. Your statement is only valid for such things as having

>>>>>>>>>> limbs

>>>>>>>>>> chopped off and losing sight, not heart/stroke and the other

>>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>>> mentioned for which there is no lower limit or they are unknown.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> XB

>>>>>>>>>> IC|XC

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>