Re: Question about stress dosing - VAL?

November 21, 2006

>

> I would stress dose with 5MG doses, less to have to stop later on, and

> for no more than3 days or oyur body will get used to it and demand it.

> Next time she calls, hang up on HER right away, you will be amazed at

> what THAT will do for your adrenals!

>

OK, body's demanding it...then what?

Couple of questions along that vein...

I'm doing 25mg right now. 10, 5, 5, 5. Tried to do 10, 7.5, 5, 2.5,

but it wasn't enough enough at bedtime, so I switched back to 10, 5, 5, 5.

Now, at about 6 or 7 pm, I start buzzing a bit. I'm buzzing right now

(9:15pm), but don't want to take the dose until I go to bed, or else

the palps.

And, then, I had family in town over the weekend and had to

stress-dose like mad. They didn't even stay with me, and I wasn't

even " stressed " per se, just kept buzzing & shaking. (A prelude to

next weekend I guess...) Lost track of how much I ended up taking,

but definitely did the 5mg increments.

Seems like I'm fine as long as I don't do anything out of the

ordinary. Tried going to the grocery store yesterday and the visual

stimulation was WAY too stressful.

Is this indicative that I need more, or is it that it's just too soon

for the stuff I'm trying to do?

Overall, without much stimulation, I'm feeling much better. I'd

prefer to keep it lower if possible, but I'd also rather not shoot

myself in the foot!

What do you think?

Warmly,

November 21, 2006

>

> I would stress dose with 5MG doses, less to have to stop later on, and

> for no more than3 days or oyur body will get used to it and demand it.

> Next time she calls, hang up on HER right away, you will be amazed at

> what THAT will do for your adrenals!

>

OK, body's demanding it...then what?

Couple of questions along that vein...

I'm doing 25mg right now. 10, 5, 5, 5. Tried to do 10, 7.5, 5, 2.5,

but it wasn't enough enough at bedtime, so I switched back to 10, 5, 5, 5.

Now, at about 6 or 7 pm, I start buzzing a bit. I'm buzzing right now

(9:15pm), but don't want to take the dose until I go to bed, or else

the palps.

And, then, I had family in town over the weekend and had to

stress-dose like mad. They didn't even stay with me, and I wasn't

even " stressed " per se, just kept buzzing & shaking. (A prelude to

next weekend I guess...) Lost track of how much I ended up taking,

but definitely did the 5mg increments.

Seems like I'm fine as long as I don't do anything out of the

ordinary. Tried going to the grocery store yesterday and the visual

stimulation was WAY too stressful.

Is this indicative that I need more, or is it that it's just too soon

for the stuff I'm trying to do?

Overall, without much stimulation, I'm feeling much better. I'd

prefer to keep it lower if possible, but I'd also rather not shoot

myself in the foot!

What do you think?

Warmly,

November 21, 2006

I would try to do as little as possible for a couple more weeks. This

should give your adrenals a needed rest. THEN maybe you can try

introducing small things like shipping longer etc.. I know you can;t

pout life on hold, but i did it while running a business the requires

handling biting dogs! Talk about a stressor! OUCH! So try it, but if you

find you are stress dosing more than twice a week, it would be best to

increase the dose.

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November 21, 2006

I would try to do as little as possible for a couple more weeks. This

should give your adrenals a needed rest. THEN maybe you can try

introducing small things like shipping longer etc.. I know you can;t

pout life on hold, but i did it while running a business the requires

handling biting dogs! Talk about a stressor! OUCH! So try it, but if you

find you are stress dosing more than twice a week, it would be best to

increase the dose.

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November 21, 2006

>

> I would try to do as little as possible for a couple more weeks. This

> should give your adrenals a needed rest. THEN maybe you can try

> introducing small things like shipping longer etc.. I know you can;t

> pout life on hold, but i did it while running a business the requires

> handling biting dogs! Talk about a stressor! OUCH! So try it, but if

you

> find you are stress dosing more than twice a week, it would be best to

> increase the dose.

>

Thanks, Val. I will try to do just that. It's just been hard, since

my daughter is feeling worse. I don't know what to do about her. The

ped endo is pretty much useless - wants to retest cortisol & insulin

growth factor in THREE MONTHS. Buh-bye!

What do you think about these numbers, Val? Saliva & serum were

tested on the same day, with thyroid draw within 2 hours of the bloodwork.

Saliva...

>

> fTSH 37 (26-85)

> fT4 .29 (0.17-0.42)

> fT3 0.21 BORDERLINE LOW (Borderline low 0.21-0.27; Normal 0.28-1.10)

> TPO Negative

>

> Cortisol

> 7-8AM 8 DEPRESSED (13-24)

> 11-noon 5 Normal (5-10)

> 4-5PM 7 Normal (3-8)

> 11-midnight 4 Normal (1-4)

>

> Cortisol Burden 24 (23-42)

>

> DHEA 4 Normal (3-10)

>

> Depressed morning cortisol, < 13 nM, is suggestive of marginal HPA

> performance. Morning cortisol augmentation, or 11 Beta HSD

> inhibitors, as in licorice, worth consideration.

>

Day 21 - luteal phase

> Estradiol 14 (follicular 5-13; luteal 7-20)

> Progesterone >1000 VERY HIGH (follicular 20-100; luteal 65-500)

> Free testosterone 16 Normal (8-20)

>

> Fasting bloodwork through Quest Labs

> >

> > Glucose 89 (65-99)

> > ESR, Westergren 6 (0-20)

> > Hemoglobin A1C 6.1 (<6.0%) HIGH

> > Insulin, serum 7 (<17)

> > C-Peptide 2.6 (.8-3.1)

> > IGF-I (insulin growth factor) 160 (199-658) LOW

> >

> > Iron 79 (35-175)

> >

> > TSH 1.85 (.70-6.40)

> > FT4 1.2 (.9-1.4)

> > FT3 356 (335-480)

> > Total T3 151 (123-211)

> > Thyroglobulin AB <20 (<20)

> > Thyroid Peroxidase AB <10 (<35)

Her progesterone is SO high that it's alarming. I'm afraid to do

anything without knowing what's causing that. Liver is a possibility,

I suppose, since she's not converting T3 well. Didn't think about

that until AFTER talking with the pediatrician yesterday. He's going

to call the ped endo to get his take on all of this, which I'm sure

won't lead to anything good.

However, I did speak my mind to the pediatrician (nicely, but with

intensity) that the ped endo wanted me to talk with the pediatrician

about finding a dr who specializes in " chronic fatigue, " and that I

think that's nothing more than a trashcan diagnosis & that I've

researched CFS because of my condition, and it's treated by treating

thyroid & adrenal!

Thanks!

November 21, 2006

>

> I would try to do as little as possible for a couple more weeks. This

> should give your adrenals a needed rest. THEN maybe you can try

> introducing small things like shipping longer etc.. I know you can;t

> pout life on hold, but i did it while running a business the requires

> handling biting dogs! Talk about a stressor! OUCH! So try it, but if

you

> find you are stress dosing more than twice a week, it would be best to

> increase the dose.

>

Thanks, Val. I will try to do just that. It's just been hard, since

my daughter is feeling worse. I don't know what to do about her. The

ped endo is pretty much useless - wants to retest cortisol & insulin

growth factor in THREE MONTHS. Buh-bye!

What do you think about these numbers, Val? Saliva & serum were

tested on the same day, with thyroid draw within 2 hours of the bloodwork.

Saliva...

>

> fTSH 37 (26-85)

> fT4 .29 (0.17-0.42)

> fT3 0.21 BORDERLINE LOW (Borderline low 0.21-0.27; Normal 0.28-1.10)

> TPO Negative

>

> Cortisol

> 7-8AM 8 DEPRESSED (13-24)

> 11-noon 5 Normal (5-10)

> 4-5PM 7 Normal (3-8)

> 11-midnight 4 Normal (1-4)

>

> Cortisol Burden 24 (23-42)

>

> DHEA 4 Normal (3-10)

>

> Depressed morning cortisol, < 13 nM, is suggestive of marginal HPA

> performance. Morning cortisol augmentation, or 11 Beta HSD

> inhibitors, as in licorice, worth consideration.

>

Day 21 - luteal phase

> Estradiol 14 (follicular 5-13; luteal 7-20)

> Progesterone >1000 VERY HIGH (follicular 20-100; luteal 65-500)

> Free testosterone 16 Normal (8-20)

>

> Fasting bloodwork through Quest Labs

> >

> > Glucose 89 (65-99)

> > ESR, Westergren 6 (0-20)

> > Hemoglobin A1C 6.1 (<6.0%) HIGH

> > Insulin, serum 7 (<17)

> > C-Peptide 2.6 (.8-3.1)

> > IGF-I (insulin growth factor) 160 (199-658) LOW

> >

> > Iron 79 (35-175)

> >

> > TSH 1.85 (.70-6.40)

> > FT4 1.2 (.9-1.4)

> > FT3 356 (335-480)

> > Total T3 151 (123-211)

> > Thyroglobulin AB <20 (<20)

> > Thyroid Peroxidase AB <10 (<35)

Her progesterone is SO high that it's alarming. I'm afraid to do

anything without knowing what's causing that. Liver is a possibility,

I suppose, since she's not converting T3 well. Didn't think about

that until AFTER talking with the pediatrician yesterday. He's going

to call the ped endo to get his take on all of this, which I'm sure

won't lead to anything good.

However, I did speak my mind to the pediatrician (nicely, but with

intensity) that the ped endo wanted me to talk with the pediatrician

about finding a dr who specializes in " chronic fatigue, " and that I

think that's nothing more than a trashcan diagnosis & that I've

researched CFS because of my condition, and it's treated by treating

thyroid & adrenal!

Thanks!

November 21, 2006

Have you thought about having her take a Progesterone

Receptor allergy test, or anything along those lines?

What about the possibility that she is making

Progesterone but it is not being used properly by her

body very well throughout all or some of her systems,

so it's building up?

Or, it could be that her fatigued adrenals are

demanding that she make more and more Progesterone,

since that's what the adrenals use to make Cortisol.

But if the adrenals are malfunctioning and having

trouble converting the Progesterone into Cortisol, she

would be left with a bunch of " extra " unused

Progesterone floating around in her body.

Just some thoughts that might explain her high

Progesterone. Good luck and I hope you all find out

what's going on soon!

--- angesc2001 wrote:

> --- In

> NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS ,>

Thanks, Val. I will try to do just that. It's just

> been hard, since

> my daughter is feeling worse. I don't know what to

> do about her. The

> ped endo is pretty much useless - wants to retest

> cortisol & insulin

> growth factor in THREE MONTHS. Buh-bye!

>

> What do you think about these numbers, Val? Saliva

> & serum were

> tested on the same day, with thyroid draw within 2

> hours of the bloodwork.

> > Cortisol

> > 7-8AM 8 DEPRESSED (13-24)

> > 11-noon 5 Normal (5-10)

> > 4-5PM 7 Normal (3-8)

> > 11-midnight 4 Normal (1-4)

> >

> > Cortisol Burden 24 (23-42)

> >

> > DHEA 4 Normal (3-10)

> >

> > Depressed morning cortisol, < 13 nM, is suggestive

> of marginal HPA

> > performance. Morning cortisol augmentation, or 11

> Beta HSD

> > inhibitors, as in licorice, worth consideration.

> >

> Day 21 - luteal phase

>

> > Estradiol 14 (follicular 5-13; luteal 7-20)

> > Progesterone >1000 VERY HIGH (follicular 20-100;

> luteal 65-500)

> > Free testosterone 16 Normal (8-20)

> >>

> > > Iron 79 (35-175)

> > >

> > > TSH 1.85 (.70-6.40)

> > > FT4 1.2 (.9-1.4)

> > > FT3 356 (335-480)

> > > Total T3 151 (123-211)

> > > Thyroglobulin AB <20 (<20)

> > > Thyroid Peroxidase AB <10 (<35)

>

> Her progesterone is SO high that it's alarming. I'm

> afraid to do

> anything without knowing what's causing that. Liver

> is a possibility,

> I suppose, since she's not converting T3 well.

> Didn't think about

> that until AFTER talking with the pediatrician

> yesterday. He's going

> to call the ped endo to get his take on all of this,

> which I'm sure

> won't lead to anything good.

>

> However, I did speak my mind to the pediatrician

> (nicely, but with

> intensity) that the ped endo wanted me to talk with

> the pediatrician

> about finding a dr who specializes in " chronic

> fatigue, " and that I

> think that's nothing more than a trashcan diagnosis

> & that I've

> researched CFS because of my condition, and it's

> treated by treating

> thyroid & adrenal!

>

> Thanks!

>

________________________________________________________________________________\

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November 21, 2006

Have you thought about having her take a Progesterone

Receptor allergy test, or anything along those lines?

What about the possibility that she is making

Progesterone but it is not being used properly by her

body very well throughout all or some of her systems,

so it's building up?

Or, it could be that her fatigued adrenals are

demanding that she make more and more Progesterone,

since that's what the adrenals use to make Cortisol.

But if the adrenals are malfunctioning and having

trouble converting the Progesterone into Cortisol, she

would be left with a bunch of " extra " unused

Progesterone floating around in her body.

Just some thoughts that might explain her high

Progesterone. Good luck and I hope you all find out

what's going on soon!

--- angesc2001 wrote:

> --- In

> NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS ,>

Thanks, Val. I will try to do just that. It's just

> been hard, since

> my daughter is feeling worse. I don't know what to

> do about her. The

> ped endo is pretty much useless - wants to retest

> cortisol & insulin

> growth factor in THREE MONTHS. Buh-bye!

>

> What do you think about these numbers, Val? Saliva

> & serum were

> tested on the same day, with thyroid draw within 2

> hours of the bloodwork.

> > Cortisol

> > 7-8AM 8 DEPRESSED (13-24)

> > 11-noon 5 Normal (5-10)

> > 4-5PM 7 Normal (3-8)

> > 11-midnight 4 Normal (1-4)

> >

> > Cortisol Burden 24 (23-42)

> >

> > DHEA 4 Normal (3-10)

> >

> > Depressed morning cortisol, < 13 nM, is suggestive

> of marginal HPA

> > performance. Morning cortisol augmentation, or 11

> Beta HSD

> > inhibitors, as in licorice, worth consideration.

> >

> Day 21 - luteal phase

>

> > Estradiol 14 (follicular 5-13; luteal 7-20)

> > Progesterone >1000 VERY HIGH (follicular 20-100;

> luteal 65-500)

> > Free testosterone 16 Normal (8-20)

> >>

> > > Iron 79 (35-175)

> > >

> > > TSH 1.85 (.70-6.40)

> > > FT4 1.2 (.9-1.4)

> > > FT3 356 (335-480)

> > > Total T3 151 (123-211)

> > > Thyroglobulin AB <20 (<20)

> > > Thyroid Peroxidase AB <10 (<35)

>

> Her progesterone is SO high that it's alarming. I'm

> afraid to do

> anything without knowing what's causing that. Liver

> is a possibility,

> I suppose, since she's not converting T3 well.

> Didn't think about

> that until AFTER talking with the pediatrician

> yesterday. He's going

> to call the ped endo to get his take on all of this,

> which I'm sure

> won't lead to anything good.

>

> However, I did speak my mind to the pediatrician

> (nicely, but with

> intensity) that the ped endo wanted me to talk with

> the pediatrician

> about finding a dr who specializes in " chronic

> fatigue, " and that I

> think that's nothing more than a trashcan diagnosis

> & that I've

> researched CFS because of my condition, and it's

> treated by treating

> thyroid & adrenal!

>

> Thanks!

>

________________________________________________________________________________\

____

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November 21, 2006

Have you thought about having her take a Progesterone

Receptor allergy test, or anything along those lines?

What about the possibility that she is making

Progesterone but it is not being used properly by her

body very well throughout all or some of her systems,

so it's building up?

Or, it could be that her fatigued adrenals are

demanding that she make more and more Progesterone,

since that's what the adrenals use to make Cortisol.

But if the adrenals are malfunctioning and having

trouble converting the Progesterone into Cortisol, she

would be left with a bunch of " extra " unused

Progesterone floating around in her body.

Just some thoughts that might explain her high

Progesterone. Good luck and I hope you all find out

what's going on soon!

--- angesc2001 wrote:

> --- In

> NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS ,>

Thanks, Val. I will try to do just that. It's just

> been hard, since

> my daughter is feeling worse. I don't know what to

> do about her. The

> ped endo is pretty much useless - wants to retest

> cortisol & insulin

> growth factor in THREE MONTHS. Buh-bye!

>

> What do you think about these numbers, Val? Saliva

> & serum were

> tested on the same day, with thyroid draw within 2

> hours of the bloodwork.

> > Cortisol

> > 7-8AM 8 DEPRESSED (13-24)

> > 11-noon 5 Normal (5-10)

> > 4-5PM 7 Normal (3-8)

> > 11-midnight 4 Normal (1-4)

> >

> > Cortisol Burden 24 (23-42)

> >

> > DHEA 4 Normal (3-10)

> >

> > Depressed morning cortisol, < 13 nM, is suggestive

> of marginal HPA

> > performance. Morning cortisol augmentation, or 11

> Beta HSD

> > inhibitors, as in licorice, worth consideration.

> >

> Day 21 - luteal phase

>

> > Estradiol 14 (follicular 5-13; luteal 7-20)

> > Progesterone >1000 VERY HIGH (follicular 20-100;

> luteal 65-500)

> > Free testosterone 16 Normal (8-20)

> >>

> > > Iron 79 (35-175)

> > >

> > > TSH 1.85 (.70-6.40)

> > > FT4 1.2 (.9-1.4)

> > > FT3 356 (335-480)

> > > Total T3 151 (123-211)

> > > Thyroglobulin AB <20 (<20)

> > > Thyroid Peroxidase AB <10 (<35)

>

> Her progesterone is SO high that it's alarming. I'm

> afraid to do

> anything without knowing what's causing that. Liver

> is a possibility,

> I suppose, since she's not converting T3 well.

> Didn't think about

> that until AFTER talking with the pediatrician

> yesterday. He's going

> to call the ped endo to get his take on all of this,

> which I'm sure

> won't lead to anything good.

>

> However, I did speak my mind to the pediatrician

> (nicely, but with

> intensity) that the ped endo wanted me to talk with

> the pediatrician

> about finding a dr who specializes in " chronic

> fatigue, " and that I

> think that's nothing more than a trashcan diagnosis

> & that I've

> researched CFS because of my condition, and it's

> treated by treating

> thyroid & adrenal!

>

> Thanks!

>

________________________________________________________________________________\

____

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November 21, 2006

>

> Have you thought about having her take a Progesterone

> Receptor allergy test, or anything along those lines?

Nope, hadn't thought about that, because I wasn't aware of it. I can

assure you that neither the ped endo or pediatrician has!!!

>

> What about the possibility that she is making

> Progesterone but it is not being used properly by her

> body very well throughout all or some of her systems,

> so it's building up?

Yes, I'm looking into that. I've actually gotten in touch with the

adrenal steroid disorders dept at Mt. Sinai in NYC. Don't know if you

saw my other extremely neurotic possible diagnosis post, but we are in

a high-risk ethnic group for non-classical congenital adrenal

hyperplasia, when you don't have the complete enzyme to convert

progesterone to cortisol. The research asst I spoke to doesn't think

that's the problem (since my daughter doesn't have a significant

number of symptoms) but they're willing to take a look at both of our

test results, which is great, because they're aware of a host of

possible adrenal issues. (Whereas the ped endo didn't even know about

the non-classical form...classical is pretty horrific.) So hopefully

they can help to pinpoint if there's a hereditary issue.

>

> Or, it could be that her fatigued adrenals are

> demanding that she make more and more Progesterone,

> since that's what the adrenals use to make Cortisol.

> But if the adrenals are malfunctioning and having

> trouble converting the Progesterone into Cortisol, she

> would be left with a bunch of " extra " unused

> Progesterone floating around in her body.

>

> Just some thoughts that might explain her high

> Progesterone. Good luck and I hope you all find out

> what's going on soon!

>

A couple of other ideas that I've entertained is that MOST skin care

products & cosmetics have added hormones to " puff " the skin - look ma,

no wrinkles - that they aren't required to list on the ingredients.

Quite a startling realization, when you see that the lives of our

girls can be disrupted with all of this. It's criminal!

Here are excerpts from a post by Pat the moderator at

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/HormonesandHealth-Naturally/

(post #1557):

Re your daughter's high progesterone:

If there is no intake of hormones and the body is

producing too much - I note it and move on to the

things we can fix. Raise this, lower that, fix GI etc.

This usually takes care of it. The high P comes down.

But your comments re Skin Care products raises a

valuable point.

What if she IS getting too much hormone ... from

cosmetics, skin care products etc.

This is a BIG and VERY REAL problem.

....scented products, particularly perfumes.

These tend to be petroleum based hormone disrupters.

If they want to see me they have to use unscented soaps,

creams, hair sprays, laundry detergents etc.

Some years ago Diagnos-Techs was concerned re high

E & P levels that did not seem to make sense. They had

their equipment checked, sent samples to other labs to

confirm results, double checked with doctors and patients

that hormones were not being Rx'd and/or taken.

In time the investigation led to " So how are these people

getting these excess hormones? "

Since progesterone and estrogen are fat-soluble that

narrows down the possibilities. In other words it won't

be in your water soluble orange juice.

But creams, shampoos, cream rinses, and cosmetics are

a nightmare. I have many women where we can't bring

their hormones under control until they stop cosmetics.

I go into a special bullet proof cage before I suggest this

approach. it's not well received! Until they try it and feel

better.

A doctor colleague who investigated this explained the

amounts of hormones that can LEGALLY be added to

these products without having to be listed on the label!

In theory the amounts are 'small' unless you do saliva

testing and realize how easily and fully hormones are

absorbed via the skin.

I had a woman once who was diagnosed by MRI with an

'estrogen secreting pituitary tumor'. She tested high for

P & E and was very reactive to both.

In time we had her stabilized and doing well except that

she still did not get a period. One day she called that she

just was feeling terrible lately.

We quickly updated some tests and found her saliva

test for progesterone was >1000. Many times too high.

We sent samples of any fat soluble product she used to

Diagnos-Techs to be tested for hormones.

Everything (shampoos, cream rinses etc) came back ok

since she was very strict about only using non-scented

products. 'Non-Scented' eliminates a lot of the problems.

So I asked to see any fat-soluble supplement such as

oil-based Vitamin E. We sent the lab samples of these.

So guess which one had progesterone off the chart?

Her Organic Liquid Chlorophyll!

" What are you taking this for? This is not something

I suggested or was aware you were taking? "

" Everybody says it's good for de-toxing and energy.

I couldn't see any reason not to. "

Once that was eliminated her hormones went back to

normal and have stayed there in subsequent years.

She called the company. They admitted putting P into

their product and saw no problem with it.

" Everybody into alternative health knows progesterone

is good for you. Besides there's all this estrogen in the

conventional products. We're doing people a favor by

helping to balance these things. "

I've never bought Anything from that company again!

Young women are the hardest. They may be buying

several new products a week. Always trying this or that.

I'll ask them to show me what they're taking. I have to

clear my desk as they dump out this incredible array

of cosmetics.

" This is just what I've got with me. I've got more at home.

Want to see them too? "

One person came in smelling really scented. She swore

everything was 'Scent Free' and brought them the next

time she came, still smelling very scented.

Sure enough, everything was labeled scent-free. So one

by one I opened each for a smell. Wow, was the hair-

spray scented!

But the label on the front said 'scent free'. So I turned

to the back of the label to read the ingredients. The

fine print explained it had some kind of 'scent masker'.

I'm paraphasing from memory but the explanation

said in effect: This stuff smells terrible. If we don't

put in perfumes or scents no one will use it. Since

it is 'scent free' we have to add some kind of

non-scent to make it smell ok - or no one will use it!

So they put in a 'scent-masker'! I assume that's a

creative way to put perfumes and scents in

non-scented products.

Whoever came up with that probably got some kind

of award at the annual industry convention! I'd fire

the guy and throw out the product but it's not my

company...

One last story. A woman with PCOS was doing well.

Her cosmetics had been tested and she was stable.

Then one year all went awry and her hormones shot

up.

I inquired about cosmetics and she showed me the

same few products she'd used exclusively for years

since we had tested them as being ok.

We re-tested and several were high in P or E. She

had not changed her products but the company had

changed the contents. They were now 'improved'

with hormones that do NOT have to be listed on the

label.

November 22, 2006

>>OK, body's demanding it...then what?<<

When the body is damanding it, I have a tndency to think you need to give in to

it to eep the adrenals from being stresses over again.

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November 22, 2006

She is definitely hypo still. Is she on Armour yet? If so I wouold

increase it. What is she on for adrenals? She needs something but may

get by with Isocort, or even licorice. The high Progesterone may just

not be converting to Cortisol. When there is a breakdown in the

pathways it often will show up as a high substance wher th breakdown

occurs. How old is she? Some estrogen might help to balance that out.

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November 22, 2006

>

> She is definitely hypo still. Is she on Armour yet? If so I wouold

> increase it. What is she on for adrenals? She needs something but may

> get by with Isocort, or even licorice. The high Progesterone may just

> not be converting to Cortisol. When there is a breakdown in the

> pathways it often will show up as a high substance wher th breakdown

> occurs. How old is she? Some estrogen might help to balance that out.

>

She is on nothing yet. She is 13. I haven't done anything myself,

i.e., self-treat her for several reasons.

1. Huge responsibility & ideally want medical intervention.

2. Not sure about the big picture - i.e., if she may have a liver

problem causing the progesterone clearance problem & T3 conversion

issue. Not sure I should add meds without getting this checked first.

3. Husband is not big on self treating, and I need to finesse that.

4. Mostly, concerned that we don't have the big picture, especially

since we don't know the cause of the other endocrine disruptions -

i.e., slightly high A1C, LOW growth hormone, HIGH progesterone.

Val, when you have only one point in the day in which cortisol is

depressed, how do you treat that one point? If it's only to

supplement in the AM, can that suppress the adrenal function for the

rest of the day? Would she need to be prepared to stress dose when

supplementing only one point in the day?

I'm convinced that there's more to this than just the obvious,

especially since she has a learning disability & ADHD. Don't know

what that would be though...pituitary maybe? Of course the ped endo

was pretty useless in this dept too. And since he gave me WRONG info

about non-classical CAH, I'm not convinced that he would be aware of

minor pituitary or hypothalamus issues.

And I'm also convinced that there's a hereditary component to this

whole picture, as the ADHD trait and hint of adrenals runs through my

dad's side of the family. (The hashi's is from my mom's side of the

family.)

Any thoughts?

November 22, 2006

>>Val, when you have only one point in the day in which cortisol is

depressed, how do you treat that one point? If it's only to

supplement in the AM, can that suppress the adrenal function for the

rest of the day? Would she need to be prepared to stress dose when

supplementing only one point in the day?<<

This is why I tell people you CANNOT dose per when you are low. When you take

HC, you rearrange the cortisol rythym. It corrects lows and highs by doing this.

Thus the object is to take it with a correct rythym, and the AMOUNT is what is

differnt for people with only one low, not the times of day it is needed. She

may only need 10-15MG a dya or she might get by with just Licorice to enhance

the cortisol she does have. BUT I saw more off than the one low. I saw high at

night too. Even in range it should not be top of the range at night to be well.

This is why I developed the starting procedure for Isocort and HC.. If at any

time in the erasing she feels GOOD and symptoms subside, that is her perfect

dose. but the temps should be monitored closely to ensure the thyroid is getting

where it should be so the adrenals can heal. With just slight deviations she

should recover quickly and once the adrenals recover I bet that progesterone

goes down all by itself. Then also the thyroid can get into cells properly and

the A1C should improve. Thyroid and Diabetes are very intricately intertwined I

am learning. SO are the adrenals and Diabetes. Wren I first discovered the

Diabetes I had to go back on HC for a while, and uinlike what I have read almist

everywhere, my glocose went DOWN when I started the HC back up! Imagine that,

doctors wrong again! About 10 days ago I stopped all but 5MG a bedtie of the HC

as I was feeling better and no more adrenal symptoms. I am stil taking the 5MG

at bedtime to sleep as I am having pretty bad back pain and it helps with that

alot. But look what has happened to MY glucose since I went back on the HC till

my adrenals felt well again! I really feel ALOT of my insulin resistance was

just from my weak adrenals. Now they are recovering so is my Diabetes doing 150%

better than even a couple weeks ago. No one will ever convince me we are not

doing the right thing by treating our adrenals with HC. And I urge you to find a

doctor that will be aggressive in treating your daughter too. At puberty, 11 for

me, was when all my hypo problems began. God to have all those years back and

you can give this to her.

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November 22, 2006

:

Forgive me if I am repeating myself, but my low growth hormone, low thyroid,

low cortisol, was due to Lyme.

Has she been checked for Lyme with the Western Blot? The CDC says that you

must be positive on the IgG, IgM Western blot plus one other test,

preferably the urine PCR. However, the urine PCR is known to be negative

40% of the time and Igs will not pick up early Lyme. I had several

positives on my IgG and by CDC standards I was considered negative cause my

PCR was negative. My IgM was highly positive. Yet my case was not listed

as being positive for Lyme when it was reported to document another case of

Lyme.

-- Re: Question about stress dosing - VAL?