Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 I'm sorry, I just have to point out that this statement is simply not true. In fact, the Core plan revolves around eating "to satisfaction" from food choices ranging from lean meats, fat free dairy, fruits and vegetables and whole grains with NO calorie or "point" counting until you choose to have something that is not on the Core foods list. WW did not work for me because of what goes on in my head, not because it is a bad plan, nutritionally speaking. I was having a lot of trouble with Weight Watchers lately. You only get about 900-1200 calories a day at my weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 I'm sorry, I just have to point out that this statement is simply not true. In fact, the Core plan revolves around eating "to satisfaction" from food choices ranging from lean meats, fat free dairy, fruits and vegetables and whole grains with NO calorie or "point" counting until you choose to have something that is not on the Core foods list. WW did not work for me because of what goes on in my head, not because it is a bad plan, nutritionally speaking. I was having a lot of trouble with Weight Watchers lately. You only get about 900-1200 calories a day at my weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 I'm sorry, I just have to point out that this statement is simply not true. In fact, the Core plan revolves around eating "to satisfaction" from food choices ranging from lean meats, fat free dairy, fruits and vegetables and whole grains with NO calorie or "point" counting until you choose to have something that is not on the Core foods list. WW did not work for me because of what goes on in my head, not because it is a bad plan, nutritionally speaking. I was having a lot of trouble with Weight Watchers lately. You only get about 900-1200 calories a day at my weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Actually this point is not totally false. On the flex plan it depends on your weight on how many points you are able to eat. You can be anywhere from a low of 18 all the way up to about 30+ points I believe. One of the WW leaders said that every point is about 50 calories more or less, so it is quite true that you can be eating this much food though you have an extra 35 points additional points to use per week and more if you exercise. The core plan is very restrictive. You can only eat foods that are on the core list. I did it for a month. I couldn't take it. Not all fat free foods qualify as core either. Talk about carb cravings. Everyone eats differently though so you probably was able to do this easily. I was going bonkers on that plan. At least with the flex I could decide what I wanted to eat. allie Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Actually this point is not totally false. On the flex plan it depends on your weight on how many points you are able to eat. You can be anywhere from a low of 18 all the way up to about 30+ points I believe. One of the WW leaders said that every point is about 50 calories more or less, so it is quite true that you can be eating this much food though you have an extra 35 points additional points to use per week and more if you exercise. The core plan is very restrictive. You can only eat foods that are on the core list. I did it for a month. I couldn't take it. Not all fat free foods qualify as core either. Talk about carb cravings. Everyone eats differently though so you probably was able to do this easily. I was going bonkers on that plan. At least with the flex I could decide what I wanted to eat. allie Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Actually this point is not totally false. On the flex plan it depends on your weight on how many points you are able to eat. You can be anywhere from a low of 18 all the way up to about 30+ points I believe. One of the WW leaders said that every point is about 50 calories more or less, so it is quite true that you can be eating this much food though you have an extra 35 points additional points to use per week and more if you exercise. The core plan is very restrictive. You can only eat foods that are on the core list. I did it for a month. I couldn't take it. Not all fat free foods qualify as core either. Talk about carb cravings. Everyone eats differently though so you probably was able to do this easily. I was going bonkers on that plan. At least with the flex I could decide what I wanted to eat. allie Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 > > I'm sorry, I just have to point out that this statement is simply not true. In fact, the Core plan revolves around eating " to satisfaction " from food choices ranging from lean meats, fat free dairy, fruits and vegetables and whole grains with NO calorie or " point " counting until you choose to have something that is not on the Core foods list. WW did not work for me because of what goes on in my head, not because it is a bad plan, nutritionally speaking. > > I was having a lot of trouble with Weight > Watchers lately. You only get about 900-1200 calories a day at my > weight. > You are right about the core plan, but the points plan still has anyone under 150 pounds at 20 points per day, which (depending on fiber, fat, etc.) is roughly 1000-1200. They do of course give you the weekly points that you can use, or not use, so you " can " eat more than that per day, but she is not strictly wrong in her statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Also whole grain bread and brown rice are only during eating at that one meal. If you eat it more than at that one meal then you would have to count the points. allie Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 > > Also whole grain bread and brown rice are only during eating at that one meal. If you eat it more than at that one meal then you would have to count the points. > > allie > > Oooh - did they change that? When I was doing it, there was no bread on the core plan at all. Brown rice, as you said, was limited to once a day, as was whole wheat pasta. I, too, found it too restrictive, and I was amazed at the arguments people got into about what was " core " and what was not on the WW website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 You know what you are probably right about the bread, it probably was not included at all. Much too complex. Too much effort to fight about what is core and what is not. The worst was when you had a recipe and then you try to break it down to find out if you had all core ingredients to see if you had to count it!--Whew! allie Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Ahhhhh.....to be free of Weight Watchers! I " thought " that program was the right one for me -- for years -- but, I'd lose and gain back, lose and gain back. The craziness of counting the points and then " cheating " and using up most of my weekly points in one day and then being a failure. Or, starving myself the day before weigh in and being nutty about wearing the exact same outfit every week so that the clothing wouldn't skew my numbers on the scale. It was maddening the core plan -- for me anyways. I have been waking up SOOOO happy every morning, not stressed, not down on myself now that I know there is this NO DIET mentality. I just cannot even describe it. To be normal -- what a feeling!!! > > You know what you are probably right about the bread, it probably was not included at all. Much too complex. Too much effort to fight about what is core and what is not. The worst was when you had a recipe and then you try to break it down to find out if you had all core ingredients to see if you had to count it!--Whew! > > allie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Me too! WW made me CRAZY with guilt, and obsessed with food and exercise! I'd work out like mad just to earn extra points, and obsess all day. Then I did Craig by phone and ended up LYING to my consultant when the scale didn't budge. The sad part is, this was all just over a year ago. Since then I've gained 14 pounds and would LOVE to be at the weight I was at a year ago! The thing I never got about the WW Core plan is that they say to watch your sugar intake, but then list all these foods (like fat-free salad dressings) that are LOADED with sugar! > > Ahhhhh.....to be free of Weight Watchers! I " thought " that program > was the right one for me -- for years -- but, I'd lose and gain back, > lose and gain back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 I KNOW!! I totally agree with you about the WW and the whole core contradiction with sugar etc. It really was maddening. I'd beat myself up so badly after the weigh-ins. It was a sick game. If I did well (especially when i did REALLY well at the scale, like a 3 or 4 pound loss), where would I go immediately after the meeting??? Mc's or the drug store and stock up on junk and just gorge myself. I figured, I've got a week to " catch up " for another loss at the scale. It was sick. I TOTALLY did the same thing this past month with my Overeaters Anonymous sponsor -- I totally was LYING to her about my daily food choices. I was supposed to be cutting out sugar and flour etc. I was pretty much all out eating regular foods but LYING to her about what I was eating. I was so ashamed. THAT is when I knew SOMETHING was wrong. SOMETHING had to change. I remember having this thought come to my head while I was in the shower last week (it was weird) and all it was...was " eat normal, still lose weight " or something like that. It was very weird. But, as soon as I got out of the shower, I " googled " those words online. Lo and behold, the whole IE concept pops up and here we are! I am SOOOOOOOOOO relieved I found this!! Buh Bye WW!!! jenny > > > > Ahhhhh.....to be free of Weight Watchers! I " thought " that program > > was the right one for me -- for years -- but, I'd lose and gain back, > > lose and gain back. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 I KNOW!! I totally agree with you about the WW and the whole core contradiction with sugar etc. It really was maddening. I'd beat myself up so badly after the weigh-ins. It was a sick game. If I did well (especially when i did REALLY well at the scale, like a 3 or 4 pound loss), where would I go immediately after the meeting??? Mc's or the drug store and stock up on junk and just gorge myself. I figured, I've got a week to " catch up " for another loss at the scale. It was sick. I TOTALLY did the same thing this past month with my Overeaters Anonymous sponsor -- I totally was LYING to her about my daily food choices. I was supposed to be cutting out sugar and flour etc. I was pretty much all out eating regular foods but LYING to her about what I was eating. I was so ashamed. THAT is when I knew SOMETHING was wrong. SOMETHING had to change. I remember having this thought come to my head while I was in the shower last week (it was weird) and all it was...was " eat normal, still lose weight " or something like that. It was very weird. But, as soon as I got out of the shower, I " googled " those words online. Lo and behold, the whole IE concept pops up and here we are! I am SOOOOOOOOOO relieved I found this!! Buh Bye WW!!! jenny > > > > Ahhhhh.....to be free of Weight Watchers! I " thought " that program > > was the right one for me -- for years -- but, I'd lose and gain back, > > lose and gain back. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 I KNOW!! I totally agree with you about the WW and the whole core contradiction with sugar etc. It really was maddening. I'd beat myself up so badly after the weigh-ins. It was a sick game. If I did well (especially when i did REALLY well at the scale, like a 3 or 4 pound loss), where would I go immediately after the meeting??? Mc's or the drug store and stock up on junk and just gorge myself. I figured, I've got a week to " catch up " for another loss at the scale. It was sick. I TOTALLY did the same thing this past month with my Overeaters Anonymous sponsor -- I totally was LYING to her about my daily food choices. I was supposed to be cutting out sugar and flour etc. I was pretty much all out eating regular foods but LYING to her about what I was eating. I was so ashamed. THAT is when I knew SOMETHING was wrong. SOMETHING had to change. I remember having this thought come to my head while I was in the shower last week (it was weird) and all it was...was " eat normal, still lose weight " or something like that. It was very weird. But, as soon as I got out of the shower, I " googled " those words online. Lo and behold, the whole IE concept pops up and here we are! I am SOOOOOOOOOO relieved I found this!! Buh Bye WW!!! jenny > > > > Ahhhhh.....to be free of Weight Watchers! I " thought " that program > > was the right one for me -- for years -- but, I'd lose and gain back, > > lose and gain back. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 I absolutely love this....the " drug store " . Bwhahahahahahaha I dont think it would matter for me what it was. It was the fact I wasnt hungry and I was eating. I can binge on just about anything, even lettuce!!! Its important for me to remember that. If I label Mcs bad then I need to stop typing and go get some NOW. BWhahahahahah Good Post! Love your sense of humor . > > I KNOW!! I totally agree with you about the WW and the whole core > contradiction with sugar etc. It really was maddening. I'd beat > myself up so badly after the weigh-ins. It was a sick game. If I > did well (especially when i did REALLY well at the scale, like a 3 or > 4 pound loss), where would I go immediately after the meeting??? > Mc's or the drug store and stock up on junk and just gorge > myself. I figured, I've got a week to " catch up " for another loss at > the scale. It was sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Wow, bingeing on lettuce?! Hmmm....that's a new one. For the life of me, I don't really think I could do that one. > > > > I KNOW!! I totally agree with you about the WW and the whole core > > contradiction with sugar etc. It really was maddening. I'd beat > > myself up so badly after the weigh-ins. It was a sick game. If I > > did well (especially when i did REALLY well at the scale, like a 3 or > > 4 pound loss), where would I go immediately after the meeting??? > > Mc's or the drug store and stock up on junk and just gorge > > myself. I figured, I've got a week to " catch up " for another loss at > > the scale. It was sick. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 ACK! When I was on core, I would binge on sugar free instant pudding. It tasted AWFUL, and I would eat and eat and eat it, thinking there must be something wrong with my tastebuds because it was so bad, but I was allowed to eat it, so I had better do it! How sad. I tried it recently, and I still think it is awful, but this time, I took one bite and stopped eating. :-) > > Wow, bingeing on lettuce?! Hmmm....that's a new one. For the life > of me, I don't really think I could do that one. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 ACK! When I was on core, I would binge on sugar free instant pudding. It tasted AWFUL, and I would eat and eat and eat it, thinking there must be something wrong with my tastebuds because it was so bad, but I was allowed to eat it, so I had better do it! How sad. I tried it recently, and I still think it is awful, but this time, I took one bite and stopped eating. :-) > > Wow, bingeing on lettuce?! Hmmm....that's a new one. For the life > of me, I don't really think I could do that one. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 ACK! When I was on core, I would binge on sugar free instant pudding. It tasted AWFUL, and I would eat and eat and eat it, thinking there must be something wrong with my tastebuds because it was so bad, but I was allowed to eat it, so I had better do it! How sad. I tried it recently, and I still think it is awful, but this time, I took one bite and stopped eating. :-) > > Wow, bingeing on lettuce?! Hmmm....that's a new one. For the life > of me, I don't really think I could do that one. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 Haha! How about bingeing on 94% fat free popcorn. Yuck I can not touch that stuff anymore. It is amazing how we force ourselves to eat things that we do not like and still not be truly satisfied. allie Need Mail bonding?Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 Haha! How about bingeing on 94% fat free popcorn. Yuck I can not touch that stuff anymore. It is amazing how we force ourselves to eat things that we do not like and still not be truly satisfied. allie Need Mail bonding?Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 Haha! How about bingeing on 94% fat free popcorn. Yuck I can not touch that stuff anymore. It is amazing how we force ourselves to eat things that we do not like and still not be truly satisfied. allie Need Mail bonding?Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Allie wrote: > > Haha! How about bingeing on 94% fat free popcorn. Yuck I can not > touch that stuff anymore. It is amazing how we force ourselves to eat > things that we do not like and still not be truly satisfied. > ********** Yeah, it's nuts to spend all that time and energy and eat all that other stuff to avoid what you really wanted all along. W/ IE I have it and move on. No more guilt, no more eating a thousand pale imitations to avoid one really good item. Life's too short to eat crappy food. F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Allie wrote: > > Haha! How about bingeing on 94% fat free popcorn. Yuck I can not > touch that stuff anymore. It is amazing how we force ourselves to eat > things that we do not like and still not be truly satisfied. > ********** Yeah, it's nuts to spend all that time and energy and eat all that other stuff to avoid what you really wanted all along. W/ IE I have it and move on. No more guilt, no more eating a thousand pale imitations to avoid one really good item. Life's too short to eat crappy food. F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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