Weight loss question

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Em,

Not crazy at all, but I am not at the point yet where you are I

think. I can't make myself half my food. I keep obsessing over the

other half. I just try to think about my fullness level at every

bite. However, yesterday, I wasn't hungry or full, but wanted ice

cream. I ate it because well, I love ice cream and I m now ALLOWED to

have it. But the thing is, cause it was allowed, I didn't binge on

like half a gallon (as I normally do when I am on a diet) because I

didn't " mess up " since there was nothing to mess up. So in that

respect, I think I am eating less via not binging (for now TWO FULL

DAYS!). But as for the rest, I think to me it's too much like a diet

still if I think in terms of size and etc. I hope I get to the point

where I don't thinka bout it at all, as I mentioned before, and just

eat what I am hungry for till I am satisfied. One observation I have

to make, is that since I haven't been binging, I have been feeling

much better in the morning, sleeping much better, and feeling much

more comfortable and happy at night. And have had time to do other

things, like get ready for bed with my skin/teeth routine that I

sometimes shorten by say, not doing the moisturizer or flossing or

something. Probably sounds wierd, but on days I binged, I tried to

eat everything I could that I normally didn't eat, and get as much

eating time of the day as possible... I really hope I stop doing this

for good.

> > I've got to admit I'm starting to really wonder

> > about the weight loss issue myself. I've been

> > doing IE since about January (or LEARNING to do

> > it is probably more accurate) and in that time

> > I really haven't seen any weight loss. I've

> > actually gained about 8 pounds in that time.

> > Today at work I sat and listened to a woman in

> > our workplace diet and fitness group talk about

> > how she had lost 20% of her body weight since

> > January - and good for her but it was just chock

> > full of DO's and DON'TS - of " good " food and

> > " bad " food and all that diet mentality crap I've

> > been trying so hard to let go of. But at the

> > same time, there's no denying this woman sitting

> > there talking looks just GREAT! On the other

> > hand her talk was also full of things she said

> > she eats " because I know it's good for me " but

> > that she freely admitted she can't stand - and

> > food she won't touch but would LOVE to have, etc.

> >

> > It's so hard to let go of the dieting mentality

> > especially when you see it WORKING for someone.

> > It's hard to sit there feeling good about letting

> > go of that mentality and making peace with food

> > and all that when Ms. Diet Mentality is a shadow

> > of her former self and the " Intuitive Eater "

> > hasn't lost a thing!

> >

> > I DO think I had a revelation today, after that

> > session at work and after I read through some of

> > the postings here: I think a lot of time I think

> > of myself as " doing intuitive eating, " but what

> > I'm REALLY doing is " letting go of the diet

> > mentality " ONLY - I'm not embracing the intuitive

> > eating part as much as I'm embracing the making

> > peace with food part. And maybe that's okay and

> > it's just part of learning the whole process.

> > But I think, at least for me, it's easy for me to

> > BELIEVE I'm doing " intuitive eating " when what I

> > think I'm REALLY doing some of the time is simply

> > giving up the good/bad food concepts, which is

> > not the same thing. One part is quitting demonizing

> > food - the other is learning to pay attention to

> > your true hunger and satiety. I think you can

> > actually do one and not the other, and what's needed

> > is both.

> >

> > Zat make sense... I may be rambling....

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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Em,

Not crazy at all, but I am not at the point yet where you are I

think. I can't make myself half my food. I keep obsessing over the

other half. I just try to think about my fullness level at every

bite. However, yesterday, I wasn't hungry or full, but wanted ice

cream. I ate it because well, I love ice cream and I m now ALLOWED to

have it. But the thing is, cause it was allowed, I didn't binge on

like half a gallon (as I normally do when I am on a diet) because I

didn't " mess up " since there was nothing to mess up. So in that

respect, I think I am eating less via not binging (for now TWO FULL

DAYS!). But as for the rest, I think to me it's too much like a diet

still if I think in terms of size and etc. I hope I get to the point

where I don't thinka bout it at all, as I mentioned before, and just

eat what I am hungry for till I am satisfied. One observation I have

to make, is that since I haven't been binging, I have been feeling

much better in the morning, sleeping much better, and feeling much

more comfortable and happy at night. And have had time to do other

things, like get ready for bed with my skin/teeth routine that I

sometimes shorten by say, not doing the moisturizer or flossing or

something. Probably sounds wierd, but on days I binged, I tried to

eat everything I could that I normally didn't eat, and get as much

eating time of the day as possible... I really hope I stop doing this

for good.

> > I've got to admit I'm starting to really wonder

> > about the weight loss issue myself. I've been

> > doing IE since about January (or LEARNING to do

> > it is probably more accurate) and in that time

> > I really haven't seen any weight loss. I've

> > actually gained about 8 pounds in that time.

> > Today at work I sat and listened to a woman in

> > our workplace diet and fitness group talk about

> > how she had lost 20% of her body weight since

> > January - and good for her but it was just chock

> > full of DO's and DON'TS - of " good " food and

> > " bad " food and all that diet mentality crap I've

> > been trying so hard to let go of. But at the

> > same time, there's no denying this woman sitting

> > there talking looks just GREAT! On the other

> > hand her talk was also full of things she said

> > she eats " because I know it's good for me " but

> > that she freely admitted she can't stand - and

> > food she won't touch but would LOVE to have, etc.

> >

> > It's so hard to let go of the dieting mentality

> > especially when you see it WORKING for someone.

> > It's hard to sit there feeling good about letting

> > go of that mentality and making peace with food

> > and all that when Ms. Diet Mentality is a shadow

> > of her former self and the " Intuitive Eater "

> > hasn't lost a thing!

> >

> > I DO think I had a revelation today, after that

> > session at work and after I read through some of

> > the postings here: I think a lot of time I think

> > of myself as " doing intuitive eating, " but what

> > I'm REALLY doing is " letting go of the diet

> > mentality " ONLY - I'm not embracing the intuitive

> > eating part as much as I'm embracing the making

> > peace with food part. And maybe that's okay and

> > it's just part of learning the whole process.

> > But I think, at least for me, it's easy for me to

> > BELIEVE I'm doing " intuitive eating " when what I

> > think I'm REALLY doing some of the time is simply

> > giving up the good/bad food concepts, which is

> > not the same thing. One part is quitting demonizing

> > food - the other is learning to pay attention to

> > your true hunger and satiety. I think you can

> > actually do one and not the other, and what's needed

> > is both.

> >

> > Zat make sense... I may be rambling....

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Yeah, I agree. But I think that eventually, (I hope), we will start

getting to a point where there isn't any more of that tension when it

comes to food, and we can actually recognize hunger vs. other things.

Yesterday I thought I was hungry and I realized that I was hungry in

my throat and not my stomach. I know that prob sounds strange, but

it's like in my throat, it's usually related to shorter breaths or

something, so it's emotional, and when I just relax and inhale deeply

it goes away. For me it still keeps coming back for now, but I hope

that it will stop! But the thing that I figured out was that I was

stressed and tired at work, and not hungry, so instead of reaching

for a snack, I drank some water and some coffee, and got back to

work, and allowed myself to eat later on, when I couldn't really

decifer what kind of hunger I had, just to show that I can eat what I

want. Anyway, I feel like it gets harder with more days, but I guess

it's cause I just started.

> > I've got to admit I'm starting to really wonder

> > about the weight loss issue myself. I've been

> > doing IE since about January (or LEARNING to do

> > it is probably more accurate) and in that time

> > I really haven't seen any weight loss. I've

> > actually gained about 8 pounds in that time.

> > Today at work I sat and listened to a woman in

> > our workplace diet and fitness group talk about

> > how she had lost 20% of her body weight since

> > January - and good for her but it was just chock

> > full of DO's and DON'TS - of " good " food and

> > " bad " food and all that diet mentality crap I've

> > been trying so hard to let go of. But at the

> > same time, there's no denying this woman sitting

> > there talking looks just GREAT! On the other

> > hand her talk was also full of things she said

> > she eats " because I know it's good for me " but

> > that she freely admitted she can't stand - and

> > food she won't touch but would LOVE to have, etc.

> >

> > It's so hard to let go of the dieting mentality

> > especially when you see it WORKING for someone.

> > It's hard to sit there feeling good about letting

> > go of that mentality and making peace with food

> > and all that when Ms. Diet Mentality is a shadow

> > of her former self and the " Intuitive Eater "

> > hasn't lost a thing!

> >

> > I DO think I had a revelation today, after that

> > session at work and after I read through some of

> > the postings here: I think a lot of time I think

> > of myself as " doing intuitive eating, " but what

> > I'm REALLY doing is " letting go of the diet

> > mentality " ONLY - I'm not embracing the intuitive

> > eating part as much as I'm embracing the making

> > peace with food part. And maybe that's okay and

> > it's just part of learning the whole process.

> > But I think, at least for me, it's easy for me to

> > BELIEVE I'm doing " intuitive eating " when what I

> > think I'm REALLY doing some of the time is simply

> > giving up the good/bad food concepts, which is

> > not the same thing. One part is quitting demonizing

> > food - the other is learning to pay attention to

> > your true hunger and satiety. I think you can

> > actually do one and not the other, and what's needed

> > is both.

> >

> > Zat make sense... I may be rambling....

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

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> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Yeah, I agree. But I think that eventually, (I hope), we will start

getting to a point where there isn't any more of that tension when it

comes to food, and we can actually recognize hunger vs. other things.

Yesterday I thought I was hungry and I realized that I was hungry in

my throat and not my stomach. I know that prob sounds strange, but

it's like in my throat, it's usually related to shorter breaths or

something, so it's emotional, and when I just relax and inhale deeply

it goes away. For me it still keeps coming back for now, but I hope

that it will stop! But the thing that I figured out was that I was

stressed and tired at work, and not hungry, so instead of reaching

for a snack, I drank some water and some coffee, and got back to

work, and allowed myself to eat later on, when I couldn't really

decifer what kind of hunger I had, just to show that I can eat what I

want. Anyway, I feel like it gets harder with more days, but I guess

it's cause I just started.

> > I've got to admit I'm starting to really wonder

> > about the weight loss issue myself. I've been

> > doing IE since about January (or LEARNING to do

> > it is probably more accurate) and in that time

> > I really haven't seen any weight loss. I've

> > actually gained about 8 pounds in that time.

> > Today at work I sat and listened to a woman in

> > our workplace diet and fitness group talk about

> > how she had lost 20% of her body weight since

> > January - and good for her but it was just chock

> > full of DO's and DON'TS - of " good " food and

> > " bad " food and all that diet mentality crap I've

> > been trying so hard to let go of. But at the

> > same time, there's no denying this woman sitting

> > there talking looks just GREAT! On the other

> > hand her talk was also full of things she said

> > she eats " because I know it's good for me " but

> > that she freely admitted she can't stand - and

> > food she won't touch but would LOVE to have, etc.

> >

> > It's so hard to let go of the dieting mentality

> > especially when you see it WORKING for someone.

> > It's hard to sit there feeling good about letting

> > go of that mentality and making peace with food

> > and all that when Ms. Diet Mentality is a shadow

> > of her former self and the " Intuitive Eater "

> > hasn't lost a thing!

> >

> > I DO think I had a revelation today, after that

> > session at work and after I read through some of

> > the postings here: I think a lot of time I think

> > of myself as " doing intuitive eating, " but what

> > I'm REALLY doing is " letting go of the diet

> > mentality " ONLY - I'm not embracing the intuitive

> > eating part as much as I'm embracing the making

> > peace with food part. And maybe that's okay and

> > it's just part of learning the whole process.

> > But I think, at least for me, it's easy for me to

> > BELIEVE I'm doing " intuitive eating " when what I

> > think I'm REALLY doing some of the time is simply

> > giving up the good/bad food concepts, which is

> > not the same thing. One part is quitting demonizing

> > food - the other is learning to pay attention to

> > your true hunger and satiety. I think you can

> > actually do one and not the other, and what's needed

> > is both.

> >

> > Zat make sense... I may be rambling....

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

" Mindless Eating " by Wansink, PhD

....a VERY good book, and HIGHLY recommended by me! ;o)

Jenn

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majority of Americans. A great book to read on that is called Mindless

Eating by somebody.

[Guest guest]

" Mindless Eating " by Wansink, PhD

....a VERY good book, and HIGHLY recommended by me! ;o)

Jenn

<><

majority of Americans. A great book to read on that is called Mindless

Eating by somebody.

[Guest guest]

Yes I have been waiting for the unconscious sigh and stopping when it comes and it has been working because because my clothes feel loose and today I put on a pair of pants I have not worn in 5 years and they feel loose. EvaSee what's free at AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

Yes I have been waiting for the unconscious sigh and stopping when it comes and it has been working because because my clothes feel loose and today I put on a pair of pants I have not worn in 5 years and they feel loose. EvaSee what's free at AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

I'm surprised at how many times I THINK I'm

hungry and when I stop to consider it fully

I discover that I'm actually thirsty. I

seem to have a hard time distinguishing

between the two. But I'd guess better

than 80% of the time when I stop, thinking

" I need to eat something, " I realize it's

actually thirst talking, not hunger.

[Guest guest]

I'm surprised at how many times I THINK I'm

hungry and when I stop to consider it fully

I discover that I'm actually thirsty. I

seem to have a hard time distinguishing

between the two. But I'd guess better

than 80% of the time when I stop, thinking

" I need to eat something, " I realize it's

actually thirst talking, not hunger.

[Guest guest]

Wow! I'm experiencing THE EXACT SAME THING!!! Maybe we're the same

person,lol!

I'm laughing now, but at 2:00 this morning I was sitting at my kitchen

table journaling and crying because I was feeling horrible: out of

control, fat, and terrified. Yesterday I was experiencing binge-like

feelings. Although I didn't eat all that much, it was more than I

needed to eat, and I felt awful afterwards. And I'm tired of waking

up in the middle of the night feeling anxious and distraught. I know

I have to do something, but I'm not sure what. Counseling is an

option, but money is tight and I don't have much spare time. I know I

should take time for myself, and I DO, but having two autistic kids is

a challenge. Right now we rely on family to help us with babysitting,

but they all work full time.

I'm also feeling worried and guilty because my father starts chemo

today, and I'm 3,000 miles away. My brother flew in yesterday to be

with my parents, which is great. His daughter is 19, in college, and

has a summer job, so it's a little easier for him to be there right now.

It hit me this morning that I have lived my life in fear: always

contemplating the " What-ifs " and imagining all the things that could

go wrong. And ALWAYS, ALWAYS, at the bottom of it all, expecting to

be left all alone. Expecting the worst.

And that makes me REALLY SAD!

>

> I've got to admit I'm starting to really wonder

> about the weight loss issue myself. I've been

> doing IE since about January (or LEARNING to do

> it is probably more accurate) and in that time

> I really haven't seen any weight loss. I've

> actually gained about 8 pounds in that time.

> Today at work I sat and listened to a woman in

> our workplace diet and fitness group talk about

> how she had lost 20% of her body weight since

> January - and good for her but it was just chock

> full of DO's and DON'TS - of " good " food and

> " bad " food and all that diet mentality crap I've

> been trying so hard to let go of. But at the

> same time, there's no denying this woman sitting

> there talking looks just GREAT! On the other

> hand her talk was also full of things she said

> she eats " because I know it's good for me " but

> that she freely admitted she can't stand - and

> food she won't touch but would LOVE to have, etc.

>

> It's so hard to let go of the dieting mentality

> especially when you see it WORKING for someone.

> It's hard to sit there feeling good about letting

> go of that mentality and making peace with food

> and all that when Ms. Diet Mentality is a shadow

> of her former self and the " Intuitive Eater "

> hasn't lost a thing!

>

> I DO think I had a revelation today, after that

> session at work and after I read through some of

> the postings here: I think a lot of time I think

> of myself as " doing intuitive eating, " but what

> I'm REALLY doing is " letting go of the diet

> mentality " ONLY - I'm not embracing the intuitive

> eating part as much as I'm embracing the making

> peace with food part. And maybe that's okay and

> it's just part of learning the whole process.

> But I think, at least for me, it's easy for me to

> BELIEVE I'm doing " intuitive eating " when what I

> think I'm REALLY doing some of the time is simply

> giving up the good/bad food concepts, which is

> not the same thing. One part is quitting demonizing

> food - the other is learning to pay attention to

> your true hunger and satiety. I think you can

> actually do one and not the other, and what's needed

> is both.

>

> Zat make sense... I may be rambling....

>

[Guest guest]

Wow! I'm experiencing THE EXACT SAME THING!!! Maybe we're the same

person,lol!

I'm laughing now, but at 2:00 this morning I was sitting at my kitchen

table journaling and crying because I was feeling horrible: out of

control, fat, and terrified. Yesterday I was experiencing binge-like

feelings. Although I didn't eat all that much, it was more than I

needed to eat, and I felt awful afterwards. And I'm tired of waking

up in the middle of the night feeling anxious and distraught. I know

I have to do something, but I'm not sure what. Counseling is an

option, but money is tight and I don't have much spare time. I know I

should take time for myself, and I DO, but having two autistic kids is

a challenge. Right now we rely on family to help us with babysitting,

but they all work full time.

I'm also feeling worried and guilty because my father starts chemo

today, and I'm 3,000 miles away. My brother flew in yesterday to be

with my parents, which is great. His daughter is 19, in college, and

has a summer job, so it's a little easier for him to be there right now.

It hit me this morning that I have lived my life in fear: always

contemplating the " What-ifs " and imagining all the things that could

go wrong. And ALWAYS, ALWAYS, at the bottom of it all, expecting to

be left all alone. Expecting the worst.

And that makes me REALLY SAD!

>

> I've got to admit I'm starting to really wonder

> about the weight loss issue myself. I've been

> doing IE since about January (or LEARNING to do

> it is probably more accurate) and in that time

> I really haven't seen any weight loss. I've

> actually gained about 8 pounds in that time.

> Today at work I sat and listened to a woman in

> our workplace diet and fitness group talk about

> how she had lost 20% of her body weight since

> January - and good for her but it was just chock

> full of DO's and DON'TS - of " good " food and

> " bad " food and all that diet mentality crap I've

> been trying so hard to let go of. But at the

> same time, there's no denying this woman sitting

> there talking looks just GREAT! On the other

> hand her talk was also full of things she said

> she eats " because I know it's good for me " but

> that she freely admitted she can't stand - and

> food she won't touch but would LOVE to have, etc.

>

> It's so hard to let go of the dieting mentality

> especially when you see it WORKING for someone.

> It's hard to sit there feeling good about letting

> go of that mentality and making peace with food

> and all that when Ms. Diet Mentality is a shadow

> of her former self and the " Intuitive Eater "

> hasn't lost a thing!

>

> I DO think I had a revelation today, after that

> session at work and after I read through some of

> the postings here: I think a lot of time I think

> of myself as " doing intuitive eating, " but what

> I'm REALLY doing is " letting go of the diet

> mentality " ONLY - I'm not embracing the intuitive

> eating part as much as I'm embracing the making

> peace with food part. And maybe that's okay and

> it's just part of learning the whole process.

> But I think, at least for me, it's easy for me to

> BELIEVE I'm doing " intuitive eating " when what I

> think I'm REALLY doing some of the time is simply

> giving up the good/bad food concepts, which is

> not the same thing. One part is quitting demonizing

> food - the other is learning to pay attention to

> your true hunger and satiety. I think you can

> actually do one and not the other, and what's needed

> is both.

>

> Zat make sense... I may be rambling....

>

[Guest guest]

Yes it is Emma I have only been doing IE for a few weeks and I have not read any books about it yet I will do that later but I have just been following the suggestions from the group and have released weight its a wonderful feeling. EvaSee what's free at AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

Yes it is Emma I have only been doing IE for a few weeks and I have not read any books about it yet I will do that later but I have just been following the suggestions from the group and have released weight its a wonderful feeling. EvaSee what's free at AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

Emma - I have also noticed that I am satisfied on WAY less food than I've ever eaten in my life and my clothes are fitting better and maybe even a little loose, but I think it's because now I really pay attention to when I'm hungry without getting too hungry. My IE therapist suggested I always eat at a minimum of two, that 1 or 0 was too low FOR ME (everyone's different, so do what works for you;-). Anyway, I read about a physiological, unconcious "sigh" that your body gives you as a signal that you've had enough to eat. I started paying attention to it, stopping when it happened (because it really does) and waiting 10 - 20 minutes to see if I'm still hungry. SO FAR, I haven't been, I've been very satisfied, not hungry and eating everything I want. I have also noticed that I want stuff like fruit, salad, oatmeal, not just chips & dip or cheeseburgers - although when I want them, I absolutely have them. I'd be interested if anyone else has heard of

or tried looking for their "sigh" and what they think of it. Peace & Blessings, CW P.S. I think I read about it on a Weight Watchers message board re: their Core Plan, it was one of the ways people indicated they were comfortably full, but not overfull (a 6 or 7 on the hunger scale).

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[Guest guest]

Hey Alyzul, you might consider re-thinking the

whole " alone " thing while you're working on

the IE thing, too. Seriously, I'm speaking

from experience as both a world-class worrier

and someone who actually lives alone and spends

time thinking about the what-ifs of that - what

if I'm 60 and I'm living alone - what if I get

seriously injured and I'm living alone - etc,

etc, etc. But it finally occurred to me one day

that I can spend my time worrying about that

or I can spend my time DOING something about it.

In my case, the thing I worry the most about

being " alone " as I get older is being ABLE to

take care of myself. So what I do about that

is do what I can now to insure that I will be

able to care for my own needs if I find myself

with myself alone in years to come. The whole

IE thing combined with exercise is all my

" insurance policy " I'm building up right now

so that I will be able to take care of myself.

That's not necessarily a thing to be SAD about -

I think it's a thing to be EMPOWERED about! It's

like they tell you on an airplane about if the

emergency air masks drop, pull YOURS on before

you pull your child's mask on - because if you

don't take care of YOU first you will be of no

use to the child. So you've gotta build into

your life that part where you take care of YOU

first, as a first priority AND as a means of

equipping yourself to help those around you.

[Guest guest]

Hey Alyzul, you might consider re-thinking the

whole " alone " thing while you're working on

the IE thing, too. Seriously, I'm speaking

from experience as both a world-class worrier

and someone who actually lives alone and spends

time thinking about the what-ifs of that - what

if I'm 60 and I'm living alone - what if I get

seriously injured and I'm living alone - etc,

etc, etc. But it finally occurred to me one day

that I can spend my time worrying about that

or I can spend my time DOING something about it.

In my case, the thing I worry the most about

being " alone " as I get older is being ABLE to

take care of myself. So what I do about that

is do what I can now to insure that I will be

able to care for my own needs if I find myself

with myself alone in years to come. The whole

IE thing combined with exercise is all my

" insurance policy " I'm building up right now

so that I will be able to take care of myself.

That's not necessarily a thing to be SAD about -

I think it's a thing to be EMPOWERED about! It's

like they tell you on an airplane about if the

emergency air masks drop, pull YOURS on before

you pull your child's mask on - because if you

don't take care of YOU first you will be of no

use to the child. So you've gotta build into

your life that part where you take care of YOU

first, as a first priority AND as a means of

equipping yourself to help those around you.

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Alyzu1--You have lots to be stressed about. I guess this is what would be considered emotional eating (the bingeing behavior). Does the journaling help at all? Also sometimes just sitting alone in the middle of the night and having a good cry might be the best thing in the world for you. Right now, it sounds like you need it. Hang in there and keep your chin up! At least you're not on a diet right?alyzu1 wrote: Wow! I'm experiencing THE EXACT SAME THING!!! Maybe we're

the sameperson,lol!I'm laughing now, but at 2:00 this morning I was sitting at my kitchentable journaling and crying because I was feeling horrible: out ofcontrol, fat, and terrified. Yesterday I was experiencing binge-likefeelings. Although I didn't eat all that much, it was more than Ineeded to eat, and I felt awful afterwards. And I'm tired of wakingup in the middle of the night feeling anxious and distraught. I knowI have to do something, but I'm not sure what. Counseling is anoption, but money is tight and I don't have much spare time. I know Ishould take time for myself, and I DO, but having two autistic kids isa challenge. Right now we rely on family to help us with babysitting,but they all work full time. I'm also feeling worried and guilty because my father starts chemotoday, and I'm 3,000 miles away. My brother flew in yesterday to bewith my parents, which is great. His daughter is 19, in college,

andhas a summer job, so it's a little easier for him to be there right now.It hit me this morning that I have lived my life in fear: alwayscontemplating the "What-ifs" and imagining all the things that couldgo wrong. And ALWAYS, ALWAYS, at the bottom of it all, expecting tobe left all alone. Expecting the worst. And that makes me REALLY SAD!>> I've got to admit I'm starting to really wonder> about the weight loss issue myself. I've been > doing IE since about January (or LEARNING to do> it is probably more accurate) and in that time> I really haven't seen any weight loss. I've > actually gained about 8 pounds in that time. > Today at work I sat and listened to a woman in> our workplace diet and fitness group

talk about> how she had lost 20% of her body weight since> January - and good for her but it was just chock> full of DO's and DON'TS - of "good" food and > "bad" food and all that diet mentality crap I've> been trying so hard to let go of. But at the> same time, there's no denying this woman sitting> there talking looks just GREAT! On the other> hand her talk was also full of things she said> she eats "because I know it's good for me" but> that she freely admitted she can't stand - and> food she won't touch but would LOVE to have, etc.> > It's so hard to let go of the dieting mentality> especially when you see it WORKING for someone. > It's hard to sit there feeling good about letting> go of that mentality and making peace with food > and all that when Ms. Diet Mentality is a shadow> of her former self and the "Intuitive Eater" > hasn't lost

a thing! > > I DO think I had a revelation today, after that > session at work and after I read through some of> the postings here: I think a lot of time I think> of myself as "doing intuitive eating," but what > I'm REALLY doing is "letting go of the diet > mentality" ONLY - I'm not embracing the intuitive> eating part as much as I'm embracing the making> peace with food part. And maybe that's okay and> it's just part of learning the whole process. > But I think, at least for me, it's easy for me to> BELIEVE I'm doing "intuitive eating" when what I> think I'm REALLY doing some of the time is simply> giving up the good/bad food concepts, which is > not the same thing. One part is quitting demonizing> food - the other is learning to pay attention to> your true hunger and satiety. I think you can > actually do one and not the other, and what's

needed> is both. > > Zat make sense... I may be rambling....>

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Alyzu1--You have lots to be stressed about. I guess this is what would be considered emotional eating (the bingeing behavior). Does the journaling help at all? Also sometimes just sitting alone in the middle of the night and having a good cry might be the best thing in the world for you. Right now, it sounds like you need it. Hang in there and keep your chin up! At least you're not on a diet right?alyzu1 wrote: Wow! I'm experiencing THE EXACT SAME THING!!! Maybe we're

the sameperson,lol!I'm laughing now, but at 2:00 this morning I was sitting at my kitchentable journaling and crying because I was feeling horrible: out ofcontrol, fat, and terrified. Yesterday I was experiencing binge-likefeelings. Although I didn't eat all that much, it was more than Ineeded to eat, and I felt awful afterwards. And I'm tired of wakingup in the middle of the night feeling anxious and distraught. I knowI have to do something, but I'm not sure what. Counseling is anoption, but money is tight and I don't have much spare time. I know Ishould take time for myself, and I DO, but having two autistic kids isa challenge. Right now we rely on family to help us with babysitting,but they all work full time. I'm also feeling worried and guilty because my father starts chemotoday, and I'm 3,000 miles away. My brother flew in yesterday to bewith my parents, which is great. His daughter is 19, in college,

andhas a summer job, so it's a little easier for him to be there right now.It hit me this morning that I have lived my life in fear: alwayscontemplating the "What-ifs" and imagining all the things that couldgo wrong. And ALWAYS, ALWAYS, at the bottom of it all, expecting tobe left all alone. Expecting the worst. And that makes me REALLY SAD!>> I've got to admit I'm starting to really wonder> about the weight loss issue myself. I've been > doing IE since about January (or LEARNING to do> it is probably more accurate) and in that time> I really haven't seen any weight loss. I've > actually gained about 8 pounds in that time. > Today at work I sat and listened to a woman in> our workplace diet and fitness group

talk about> how she had lost 20% of her body weight since> January - and good for her but it was just chock> full of DO's and DON'TS - of "good" food and > "bad" food and all that diet mentality crap I've> been trying so hard to let go of. But at the> same time, there's no denying this woman sitting> there talking looks just GREAT! On the other> hand her talk was also full of things she said> she eats "because I know it's good for me" but> that she freely admitted she can't stand - and> food she won't touch but would LOVE to have, etc.> > It's so hard to let go of the dieting mentality> especially when you see it WORKING for someone. > It's hard to sit there feeling good about letting> go of that mentality and making peace with food > and all that when Ms. Diet Mentality is a shadow> of her former self and the "Intuitive Eater" > hasn't lost

a thing! > > I DO think I had a revelation today, after that > session at work and after I read through some of> the postings here: I think a lot of time I think> of myself as "doing intuitive eating," but what > I'm REALLY doing is "letting go of the diet > mentality" ONLY - I'm not embracing the intuitive> eating part as much as I'm embracing the making> peace with food part. And maybe that's okay and> it's just part of learning the whole process. > But I think, at least for me, it's easy for me to> BELIEVE I'm doing "intuitive eating" when what I> think I'm REALLY doing some of the time is simply> giving up the good/bad food concepts, which is > not the same thing. One part is quitting demonizing> food - the other is learning to pay attention to> your true hunger and satiety. I think you can > actually do one and not the other, and what's

needed> is both. > > Zat make sense... I may be rambling....>

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Emma- I wish I could experience that sigh! I'm actually having the hardest time figuring out when I'm hungry. I swear, I must have a very low metabolism, because I rarely feel hungry enough to classify myself at a 2 on the hunger scale! Is that possible? I am having an easier time feeling full, but still no sigh. -LiseML Carver wrote: Emma - I have also noticed that I am satisfied on WAY less food than I've ever eaten in my life and my

clothes are fitting better and maybe even a little loose, but I think it's because now I really pay attention to when I'm hungry without getting too hungry. My IE therapist suggested I always eat at a minimum of two, that 1 or 0 was too low FOR ME (everyone's different, so do what works for you;-). Anyway, I read about a physiological, unconcious "sigh" that your body gives you as a signal that you've had enough to eat. I started paying attention to it, stopping when it happened (because it really does) and waiting 10 - 20 minutes to see if I'm still hungry. SO FAR, I haven't been, I've been very satisfied, not hungry and eating everything I want. I have also noticed that I want stuff like fruit, salad, oatmeal, not just chips & dip or cheeseburgers - although when I want them, I absolutely have them. I'd be interested if anyone else has heard of or tried looking for their "sigh" and what they think of it. Peace & Blessings, CW P.S. I think I read about it on a Weight Watchers message board re: their Core Plan, it was one of the ways people indicated they were comfortably full, but not overfull (a 6 or 7 on the hunger scale). Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.

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Emma- I wish I could experience that sigh! I'm actually having the hardest time figuring out when I'm hungry. I swear, I must have a very low metabolism, because I rarely feel hungry enough to classify myself at a 2 on the hunger scale! Is that possible? I am having an easier time feeling full, but still no sigh. -LiseML Carver wrote: Emma - I have also noticed that I am satisfied on WAY less food than I've ever eaten in my life and my

clothes are fitting better and maybe even a little loose, but I think it's because now I really pay attention to when I'm hungry without getting too hungry. My IE therapist suggested I always eat at a minimum of two, that 1 or 0 was too low FOR ME (everyone's different, so do what works for you;-). Anyway, I read about a physiological, unconcious "sigh" that your body gives you as a signal that you've had enough to eat. I started paying attention to it, stopping when it happened (because it really does) and waiting 10 - 20 minutes to see if I'm still hungry. SO FAR, I haven't been, I've been very satisfied, not hungry and eating everything I want. I have also noticed that I want stuff like fruit, salad, oatmeal, not just chips & dip or cheeseburgers - although when I want them, I absolutely have them. I'd be interested if anyone else has heard of or tried looking for their "sigh" and what they think of it. Peace & Blessings, CW P.S. I think I read about it on a Weight Watchers message board re: their Core Plan, it was one of the ways people indicated they were comfortably full, but not overfull (a 6 or 7 on the hunger scale). Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.

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Hey Marina,

I just composed a whole e-mail and then lost it!

But what I wrote is that, IE works differently for everyone. When I first learned of IE, it was late Feb and I was so sick of logging everything I ate and then writing down the caloric content. I could not even buy things at the store without looking at the nutritional content for everything little I wanted. And there were things that I wanted, I couldn't have.

So, when I lost a pound that week, I was so ecstatic! I felt I could finally do this without following any kind of guideline, except to follow my stomach (which is what I do now - it just seems as though halfing my food is naturally what I do - it's not done intentionally).

Anyhow, I think everyone should stay away from the diet mentality. If reducing the food on your plate makes you obsesss, don't do it. I found this on an Intuitive Eating website that was helpful to me.

Here are 10 examples:

1. Resolve to give yourself unconditional permission to eat foods you like.2. Resolve to exercise because it makes you healthier and feel better, not to burn calories.3. Resolve to eat when you¢re hungry, and stop when you¢re full.4. Resolve to refrain from dieting.5. Resolve to weigh yourself no more than once a week.6. Resolve to dispose of all your diet-promoting books, magazines, and videos.7. Resolve to read Intuitive Eating.8. Resolve to get help with at least one emotional problem in your life.9. Resolve to disassociate your weight from your worth.10. Resolve not to spread myths that promote dieting.

Good luck .... you can do this!

Emma

Re: Weight loss question

Em, Not crazy at all, but I am not at the point yet where you are I think. I can't make myself half my food. I keep obsessing over the other half. I just try to think about my fullness level at every bite. However, yesterday, I wasn't hungry or full, but wanted ice cream. I ate it because well, I love ice cream and I m now ALLOWED to have it. But the thing is, cause it was allowed, I didn't binge on like half a gallon (as I normally do when I am on a diet) because I didn't "mess up" since there was nothing to mess up. So in that respect, I think I am eating less via not binging (for now TWO FULL DAYS!). But as for the rest, I think to me it's too much like a diet still if I think in terms of size and etc. I hope I get to the point where I don't thinka bout it at all, as I mentioned before, and just eat what I am hungry for till I am satisfied. One observation I have to make, is that since I haven't been binging, I

have been feeling much better in the morning, sleeping much better, and feeling much more comfortable and happy at night. And have had time to do other things, like get ready for bed with my skin/teeth routine that I sometimes shorten by say, not doing the moisturizer or flossing or something. Probably sounds wierd, but on days I binged, I tried to eat everything I could that I normally didn't eat, and get as much eating time of the day as possible... I really hope I stop doing this for good. > > I've got to admit I'm starting to really wonder> > about the weight loss issue myself. I've been > > doing IE since about January (or LEARNING to do> > it is probably more accurate) and in that time> > I really haven't seen any weight loss. I've > > actually gained about 8 pounds in that time. > > Today at work I sat and listened to a woman in> > our workplace diet and fitness

group talk about> > how she had lost 20% of her body weight since> > January - and good for her but it was just chock> > full of DO's and DON'TS - of "good" food and > > "bad" food and all that diet mentality crap I've> > been trying so hard to let go of. But at the> > same time, there's no denying this woman sitting> > there talking looks just GREAT! On the other> > hand her talk was also full of things she said> > she eats "because I know it's good for me" but> > that she freely admitted she can't stand - and> > food she won't touch but would LOVE to have, etc.> > > > It's so hard to let go of the dieting mentality> > especially when you see it WORKING for someone. > > It's hard to sit there feeling good about letting> > go of that mentality and making peace with food > > and all that when Ms. Diet

Mentality is a shadow> > of her former self and the "Intuitive Eater" > > hasn't lost a thing! > > > > I DO think I had a revelation today, after that > > session at work and after I read through some of> > the postings here: I think a lot of time I think> > of myself as "doing intuitive eating," but what > > I'm REALLY doing is "letting go of the diet > > mentality" ONLY - I'm not embracing the intuitive> > eating part as much as I'm embracing the making> > peace with food part. And maybe that's okay and> > it's just part of learning the whole process. > > But I think, at least for me, it's easy for me to> > BELIEVE I'm doing "intuitive eating" when what I> > think I'm REALLY doing some of the time is simply> > giving up the good/bad food concepts, which is > > not the same thing. One part is quitting

demonizing> > food - the other is learning to pay attention to> > your true hunger and satiety. I think you can > > actually do one and not the other, and what's needed> > is both. > > > > Zat make sense... I may be rambling....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.> >> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _____________ __> No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.> http://mobile. yahoo.com/ mail>

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Hey Marina,

I just composed a whole e-mail and then lost it!

But what I wrote is that, IE works differently for everyone. When I first learned of IE, it was late Feb and I was so sick of logging everything I ate and then writing down the caloric content. I could not even buy things at the store without looking at the nutritional content for everything little I wanted. And there were things that I wanted, I couldn't have.

So, when I lost a pound that week, I was so ecstatic! I felt I could finally do this without following any kind of guideline, except to follow my stomach (which is what I do now - it just seems as though halfing my food is naturally what I do - it's not done intentionally).

Anyhow, I think everyone should stay away from the diet mentality. If reducing the food on your plate makes you obsesss, don't do it. I found this on an Intuitive Eating website that was helpful to me.

Here are 10 examples:

1. Resolve to give yourself unconditional permission to eat foods you like.2. Resolve to exercise because it makes you healthier and feel better, not to burn calories.3. Resolve to eat when you¢re hungry, and stop when you¢re full.4. Resolve to refrain from dieting.5. Resolve to weigh yourself no more than once a week.6. Resolve to dispose of all your diet-promoting books, magazines, and videos.7. Resolve to read Intuitive Eating.8. Resolve to get help with at least one emotional problem in your life.9. Resolve to disassociate your weight from your worth.10. Resolve not to spread myths that promote dieting.

Good luck .... you can do this!

Emma

Re: Weight loss question

Em, Not crazy at all, but I am not at the point yet where you are I think. I can't make myself half my food. I keep obsessing over the other half. I just try to think about my fullness level at every bite. However, yesterday, I wasn't hungry or full, but wanted ice cream. I ate it because well, I love ice cream and I m now ALLOWED to have it. But the thing is, cause it was allowed, I didn't binge on like half a gallon (as I normally do when I am on a diet) because I didn't "mess up" since there was nothing to mess up. So in that respect, I think I am eating less via not binging (for now TWO FULL DAYS!). But as for the rest, I think to me it's too much like a diet still if I think in terms of size and etc. I hope I get to the point where I don't thinka bout it at all, as I mentioned before, and just eat what I am hungry for till I am satisfied. One observation I have to make, is that since I haven't been binging, I

have been feeling much better in the morning, sleeping much better, and feeling much more comfortable and happy at night. And have had time to do other things, like get ready for bed with my skin/teeth routine that I sometimes shorten by say, not doing the moisturizer or flossing or something. Probably sounds wierd, but on days I binged, I tried to eat everything I could that I normally didn't eat, and get as much eating time of the day as possible... I really hope I stop doing this for good. > > I've got to admit I'm starting to really wonder> > about the weight loss issue myself. I've been > > doing IE since about January (or LEARNING to do> > it is probably more accurate) and in that time> > I really haven't seen any weight loss. I've > > actually gained about 8 pounds in that time. > > Today at work I sat and listened to a woman in> > our workplace diet and fitness

group talk about> > how she had lost 20% of her body weight since> > January - and good for her but it was just chock> > full of DO's and DON'TS - of "good" food and > > "bad" food and all that diet mentality crap I've> > been trying so hard to let go of. But at the> > same time, there's no denying this woman sitting> > there talking looks just GREAT! On the other> > hand her talk was also full of things she said> > she eats "because I know it's good for me" but> > that she freely admitted she can't stand - and> > food she won't touch but would LOVE to have, etc.> > > > It's so hard to let go of the dieting mentality> > especially when you see it WORKING for someone. > > It's hard to sit there feeling good about letting> > go of that mentality and making peace with food > > and all that when Ms. Diet

Mentality is a shadow> > of her former self and the "Intuitive Eater" > > hasn't lost a thing! > > > > I DO think I had a revelation today, after that > > session at work and after I read through some of> > the postings here: I think a lot of time I think> > of myself as "doing intuitive eating," but what > > I'm REALLY doing is "letting go of the diet > > mentality" ONLY - I'm not embracing the intuitive> > eating part as much as I'm embracing the making> > peace with food part. And maybe that's okay and> > it's just part of learning the whole process. > > But I think, at least for me, it's easy for me to> > BELIEVE I'm doing "intuitive eating" when what I> > think I'm REALLY doing some of the time is simply> > giving up the good/bad food concepts, which is > > not the same thing. One part is quitting

demonizing> > food - the other is learning to pay attention to> > your true hunger and satiety. I think you can > > actually do one and not the other, and what's needed> > is both. > > > > Zat make sense... I may be rambling....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.> >> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _____________ __> No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.> http://mobile. yahoo.com/ mail>

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Eva,

I also put on a summer dress I bought before May 3(my birthday) and it's practically hanging off of me. Isn't it a good feeling to know you can release weight without so much as a thought of 'I'm on a diet'?

Emma

Re: Re: Weight loss question

Yes I have been waiting for the unconscious sigh and stopping when it comes and it has been working because because my clothes feel loose and today I put on a pair of pants I have not worn in 5 years and they feel loose. Eva

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Eva,

I also put on a summer dress I bought before May 3(my birthday) and it's practically hanging off of me. Isn't it a good feeling to know you can release weight without so much as a thought of 'I'm on a diet'?

Emma

Re: Re: Weight loss question

Yes I have been waiting for the unconscious sigh and stopping when it comes and it has been working because because my clothes feel loose and today I put on a pair of pants I have not worn in 5 years and they feel loose. Eva

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