Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Em, Not crazy at all, but I am not at the point yet where you are I think. I can't make myself half my food. I keep obsessing over the other half. I just try to think about my fullness level at every bite. However, yesterday, I wasn't hungry or full, but wanted ice cream. I ate it because well, I love ice cream and I m now ALLOWED to have it. But the thing is, cause it was allowed, I didn't binge on like half a gallon (as I normally do when I am on a diet) because I didn't " mess up " since there was nothing to mess up. So in that respect, I think I am eating less via not binging (for now TWO FULL DAYS!). But as for the rest, I think to me it's too much like a diet still if I think in terms of size and etc. I hope I get to the point where I don't thinka bout it at all, as I mentioned before, and just eat what I am hungry for till I am satisfied. One observation I have to make, is that since I haven't been binging, I have been feeling much better in the morning, sleeping much better, and feeling much more comfortable and happy at night. And have had time to do other things, like get ready for bed with my skin/teeth routine that I sometimes shorten by say, not doing the moisturizer or flossing or something. Probably sounds wierd, but on days I binged, I tried to eat everything I could that I normally didn't eat, and get as much eating time of the day as possible... I really hope I stop doing this for good. > > I've got to admit I'm starting to really wonder > > about the weight loss issue myself. I've been > > doing IE since about January (or LEARNING to do > > it is probably more accurate) and in that time > > I really haven't seen any weight loss. I've > > actually gained about 8 pounds in that time. > > Today at work I sat and listened to a woman in > > our workplace diet and fitness group talk about > > how she had lost 20% of her body weight since > > January - and good for her but it was just chock > > full of DO's and DON'TS - of " good " food and > > " bad " food and all that diet mentality crap I've > > been trying so hard to let go of. But at the > > same time, there's no denying this woman sitting > > there talking looks just GREAT! On the other > > hand her talk was also full of things she said > > she eats " because I know it's good for me " but > > that she freely admitted she can't stand - and > > food she won't touch but would LOVE to have, etc. > > > > It's so hard to let go of the dieting mentality > > especially when you see it WORKING for someone. > > It's hard to sit there feeling good about letting > > go of that mentality and making peace with food > > and all that when Ms. Diet Mentality is a shadow > > of her former self and the " Intuitive Eater " > > hasn't lost a thing! > > > > I DO think I had a revelation today, after that > > session at work and after I read through some of > > the postings here: I think a lot of time I think > > of myself as " doing intuitive eating, " but what > > I'm REALLY doing is " letting go of the diet > > mentality " ONLY - I'm not embracing the intuitive > > eating part as much as I'm embracing the making > > peace with food part. And maybe that's okay and > > it's just part of learning the whole process. > > But I think, at least for me, it's easy for me to > > BELIEVE I'm doing " intuitive eating " when what I > > think I'm REALLY doing some of the time is simply > > giving up the good/bad food concepts, which is > > not the same thing. One part is quitting demonizing > > food - the other is learning to pay attention to > > your true hunger and satiety. I think you can > > actually do one and not the other, and what's needed > > is both. > > > > Zat make sense... I may be rambling.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Em, Not crazy at all, but I am not at the point yet where you are I think. I can't make myself half my food. I keep obsessing over the other half. I just try to think about my fullness level at every bite. However, yesterday, I wasn't hungry or full, but wanted ice cream. I ate it because well, I love ice cream and I m now ALLOWED to have it. But the thing is, cause it was allowed, I didn't binge on like half a gallon (as I normally do when I am on a diet) because I didn't " mess up " since there was nothing to mess up. So in that respect, I think I am eating less via not binging (for now TWO FULL DAYS!). But as for the rest, I think to me it's too much like a diet still if I think in terms of size and etc. I hope I get to the point where I don't thinka bout it at all, as I mentioned before, and just eat what I am hungry for till I am satisfied. One observation I have to make, is that since I haven't been binging, I have been feeling much better in the morning, sleeping much better, and feeling much more comfortable and happy at night. And have had time to do other things, like get ready for bed with my skin/teeth routine that I sometimes shorten by say, not doing the moisturizer or flossing or something. Probably sounds wierd, but on days I binged, I tried to eat everything I could that I normally didn't eat, and get as much eating time of the day as possible... I really hope I stop doing this for good. > > I've got to admit I'm starting to really wonder > > about the weight loss issue myself. I've been > > doing IE since about January (or LEARNING to do > > it is probably more accurate) and in that time > > I really haven't seen any weight loss. I've > > actually gained about 8 pounds in that time. > > Today at work I sat and listened to a woman in > > our workplace diet and fitness group talk about > > how she had lost 20% of her body weight since > > January - and good for her but it was just chock > > full of DO's and DON'TS - of " good " food and > > " bad " food and all that diet mentality crap I've > > been trying so hard to let go of. But at the > > same time, there's no denying this woman sitting > > there talking looks just GREAT! On the other > > hand her talk was also full of things she said > > she eats " because I know it's good for me " but > > that she freely admitted she can't stand - and > > food she won't touch but would LOVE to have, etc. > > > > It's so hard to let go of the dieting mentality > > especially when you see it WORKING for someone. > > It's hard to sit there feeling good about letting > > go of that mentality and making peace with food > > and all that when Ms. Diet Mentality is a shadow > > of her former self and the " Intuitive Eater " > > hasn't lost a thing! > > > > I DO think I had a revelation today, after that > > session at work and after I read through some of > > the postings here: I think a lot of time I think > > of myself as " doing intuitive eating, " but what > > I'm REALLY doing is " letting go of the diet > > mentality " ONLY - I'm not embracing the intuitive > > eating part as much as I'm embracing the making > > peace with food part. And maybe that's okay and > > it's just part of learning the whole process. > > But I think, at least for me, it's easy for me to > > BELIEVE I'm doing " intuitive eating " when what I > > think I'm REALLY doing some of the time is simply > > giving up the good/bad food concepts, which is > > not the same thing. One part is quitting demonizing > > food - the other is learning to pay attention to > > your true hunger and satiety. I think you can > > actually do one and not the other, and what's needed > > is both. > > > > Zat make sense... I may be rambling.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Yeah, I agree. But I think that eventually, (I hope), we will start getting to a point where there isn't any more of that tension when it comes to food, and we can actually recognize hunger vs. other things. Yesterday I thought I was hungry and I realized that I was hungry in my throat and not my stomach. I know that prob sounds strange, but it's like in my throat, it's usually related to shorter breaths or something, so it's emotional, and when I just relax and inhale deeply it goes away. For me it still keeps coming back for now, but I hope that it will stop! But the thing that I figured out was that I was stressed and tired at work, and not hungry, so instead of reaching for a snack, I drank some water and some coffee, and got back to work, and allowed myself to eat later on, when I couldn't really decifer what kind of hunger I had, just to show that I can eat what I want. Anyway, I feel like it gets harder with more days, but I guess it's cause I just started. > > I've got to admit I'm starting to really wonder > > about the weight loss issue myself. I've been > > doing IE since about January (or LEARNING to do > > it is probably more accurate) and in that time > > I really haven't seen any weight loss. I've > > actually gained about 8 pounds in that time. > > Today at work I sat and listened to a woman in > > our workplace diet and fitness group talk about > > how she had lost 20% of her body weight since > > January - and good for her but it was just chock > > full of DO's and DON'TS - of " good " food and > > " bad " food and all that diet mentality crap I've > > been trying so hard to let go of. But at the > > same time, there's no denying this woman sitting > > there talking looks just GREAT! On the other > > hand her talk was also full of things she said > > she eats " because I know it's good for me " but > > that she freely admitted she can't stand - and > > food she won't touch but would LOVE to have, etc. > > > > It's so hard to let go of the dieting mentality > > especially when you see it WORKING for someone. > > It's hard to sit there feeling good about letting > > go of that mentality and making peace with food > > and all that when Ms. Diet Mentality is a shadow > > of her former self and the " Intuitive Eater " > > hasn't lost a thing! > > > > I DO think I had a revelation today, after that > > session at work and after I read through some of > > the postings here: I think a lot of time I think > > of myself as " doing intuitive eating, " but what > > I'm REALLY doing is " letting go of the diet > > mentality " ONLY - I'm not embracing the intuitive > > eating part as much as I'm embracing the making > > peace with food part. And maybe that's okay and > > it's just part of learning the whole process. > > But I think, at least for me, it's easy for me to > > BELIEVE I'm doing " intuitive eating " when what I > > think I'm REALLY doing some of the time is simply > > giving up the good/bad food concepts, which is > > not the same thing. One part is quitting demonizing > > food - the other is learning to pay attention to > > your true hunger and satiety. I think you can > > actually do one and not the other, and what's needed > > is both. > > > > Zat make sense... I may be rambling.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Yeah, I agree. But I think that eventually, (I hope), we will start getting to a point where there isn't any more of that tension when it comes to food, and we can actually recognize hunger vs. other things. Yesterday I thought I was hungry and I realized that I was hungry in my throat and not my stomach. I know that prob sounds strange, but it's like in my throat, it's usually related to shorter breaths or something, so it's emotional, and when I just relax and inhale deeply it goes away. For me it still keeps coming back for now, but I hope that it will stop! But the thing that I figured out was that I was stressed and tired at work, and not hungry, so instead of reaching for a snack, I drank some water and some coffee, and got back to work, and allowed myself to eat later on, when I couldn't really decifer what kind of hunger I had, just to show that I can eat what I want. Anyway, I feel like it gets harder with more days, but I guess it's cause I just started. > > I've got to admit I'm starting to really wonder > > about the weight loss issue myself. I've been > > doing IE since about January (or LEARNING to do > > it is probably more accurate) and in that time > > I really haven't seen any weight loss. I've > > actually gained about 8 pounds in that time. > > Today at work I sat and listened to a woman in > > our workplace diet and fitness group talk about > > how she had lost 20% of her body weight since > > January - and good for her but it was just chock > > full of DO's and DON'TS - of " good " food and > > " bad " food and all that diet mentality crap I've > > been trying so hard to let go of. But at the > > same time, there's no denying this woman sitting > > there talking looks just GREAT! On the other > > hand her talk was also full of things she said > > she eats " because I know it's good for me " but > > that she freely admitted she can't stand - and > > food she won't touch but would LOVE to have, etc. > > > > It's so hard to let go of the dieting mentality > > especially when you see it WORKING for someone. > > It's hard to sit there feeling good about letting > > go of that mentality and making peace with food > > and all that when Ms. Diet Mentality is a shadow > > of her former self and the " Intuitive Eater " > > hasn't lost a thing! > > > > I DO think I had a revelation today, after that > > session at work and after I read through some of > > the postings here: I think a lot of time I think > > of myself as " doing intuitive eating, " but what > > I'm REALLY doing is " letting go of the diet > > mentality " ONLY - I'm not embracing the intuitive > > eating part as much as I'm embracing the making > > peace with food part. And maybe that's okay and > > it's just part of learning the whole process. > > But I think, at least for me, it's easy for me to > > BELIEVE I'm doing " intuitive eating " when what I > > think I'm REALLY doing some of the time is simply > > giving up the good/bad food concepts, which is > > not the same thing. One part is quitting demonizing > > food - the other is learning to pay attention to > > your true hunger and satiety. I think you can > > actually do one and not the other, and what's needed > > is both. > > > > Zat make sense... I may be rambling.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 " Mindless Eating " by Wansink, PhD ....a VERY good book, and HIGHLY recommended by me! ;o) Jenn <>< majority of Americans. A great book to read on that is called Mindless Eating by somebody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 " Mindless Eating " by Wansink, PhD ....a VERY good book, and HIGHLY recommended by me! ;o) Jenn <>< majority of Americans. A great book to read on that is called Mindless Eating by somebody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Yes I have been waiting for the unconscious sigh and stopping when it comes and it has been working because because my clothes feel loose and today I put on a pair of pants I have not worn in 5 years and they feel loose. EvaSee what's free at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Yes I have been waiting for the unconscious sigh and stopping when it comes and it has been working because because my clothes feel loose and today I put on a pair of pants I have not worn in 5 years and they feel loose. EvaSee what's free at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 I'm surprised at how many times I THINK I'm hungry and when I stop to consider it fully I discover that I'm actually thirsty. I seem to have a hard time distinguishing between the two. But I'd guess better than 80% of the time when I stop, thinking " I need to eat something, " I realize it's actually thirst talking, not hunger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 I'm surprised at how many times I THINK I'm hungry and when I stop to consider it fully I discover that I'm actually thirsty. I seem to have a hard time distinguishing between the two. But I'd guess better than 80% of the time when I stop, thinking " I need to eat something, " I realize it's actually thirst talking, not hunger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Wow! I'm experiencing THE EXACT SAME THING!!! Maybe we're the same person,lol! I'm laughing now, but at 2:00 this morning I was sitting at my kitchen table journaling and crying because I was feeling horrible: out of control, fat, and terrified. Yesterday I was experiencing binge-like feelings. Although I didn't eat all that much, it was more than I needed to eat, and I felt awful afterwards. And I'm tired of waking up in the middle of the night feeling anxious and distraught. I know I have to do something, but I'm not sure what. Counseling is an option, but money is tight and I don't have much spare time. I know I should take time for myself, and I DO, but having two autistic kids is a challenge. Right now we rely on family to help us with babysitting, but they all work full time. I'm also feeling worried and guilty because my father starts chemo today, and I'm 3,000 miles away. My brother flew in yesterday to be with my parents, which is great. His daughter is 19, in college, and has a summer job, so it's a little easier for him to be there right now. It hit me this morning that I have lived my life in fear: always contemplating the " What-ifs " and imagining all the things that could go wrong. And ALWAYS, ALWAYS, at the bottom of it all, expecting to be left all alone. Expecting the worst. And that makes me REALLY SAD! > > I've got to admit I'm starting to really wonder > about the weight loss issue myself. I've been > doing IE since about January (or LEARNING to do > it is probably more accurate) and in that time > I really haven't seen any weight loss. I've > actually gained about 8 pounds in that time. > Today at work I sat and listened to a woman in > our workplace diet and fitness group talk about > how she had lost 20% of her body weight since > January - and good for her but it was just chock > full of DO's and DON'TS - of " good " food and > " bad " food and all that diet mentality crap I've > been trying so hard to let go of. But at the > same time, there's no denying this woman sitting > there talking looks just GREAT! On the other > hand her talk was also full of things she said > she eats " because I know it's good for me " but > that she freely admitted she can't stand - and > food she won't touch but would LOVE to have, etc. > > It's so hard to let go of the dieting mentality > especially when you see it WORKING for someone. > It's hard to sit there feeling good about letting > go of that mentality and making peace with food > and all that when Ms. Diet Mentality is a shadow > of her former self and the " Intuitive Eater " > hasn't lost a thing! > > I DO think I had a revelation today, after that > session at work and after I read through some of > the postings here: I think a lot of time I think > of myself as " doing intuitive eating, " but what > I'm REALLY doing is " letting go of the diet > mentality " ONLY - I'm not embracing the intuitive > eating part as much as I'm embracing the making > peace with food part. And maybe that's okay and > it's just part of learning the whole process. > But I think, at least for me, it's easy for me to > BELIEVE I'm doing " intuitive eating " when what I > think I'm REALLY doing some of the time is simply > giving up the good/bad food concepts, which is > not the same thing. One part is quitting demonizing > food - the other is learning to pay attention to > your true hunger and satiety. I think you can > actually do one and not the other, and what's needed > is both. > > Zat make sense... I may be rambling.... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Wow! I'm experiencing THE EXACT SAME THING!!! Maybe we're the same person,lol! I'm laughing now, but at 2:00 this morning I was sitting at my kitchen table journaling and crying because I was feeling horrible: out of control, fat, and terrified. Yesterday I was experiencing binge-like feelings. Although I didn't eat all that much, it was more than I needed to eat, and I felt awful afterwards. And I'm tired of waking up in the middle of the night feeling anxious and distraught. I know I have to do something, but I'm not sure what. Counseling is an option, but money is tight and I don't have much spare time. I know I should take time for myself, and I DO, but having two autistic kids is a challenge. Right now we rely on family to help us with babysitting, but they all work full time. I'm also feeling worried and guilty because my father starts chemo today, and I'm 3,000 miles away. My brother flew in yesterday to be with my parents, which is great. His daughter is 19, in college, and has a summer job, so it's a little easier for him to be there right now. It hit me this morning that I have lived my life in fear: always contemplating the " What-ifs " and imagining all the things that could go wrong. And ALWAYS, ALWAYS, at the bottom of it all, expecting to be left all alone. Expecting the worst. And that makes me REALLY SAD! > > I've got to admit I'm starting to really wonder > about the weight loss issue myself. I've been > doing IE since about January (or LEARNING to do > it is probably more accurate) and in that time > I really haven't seen any weight loss. I've > actually gained about 8 pounds in that time. > Today at work I sat and listened to a woman in > our workplace diet and fitness group talk about > how she had lost 20% of her body weight since > January - and good for her but it was just chock > full of DO's and DON'TS - of " good " food and > " bad " food and all that diet mentality crap I've > been trying so hard to let go of. But at the > same time, there's no denying this woman sitting > there talking looks just GREAT! On the other > hand her talk was also full of things she said > she eats " because I know it's good for me " but > that she freely admitted she can't stand - and > food she won't touch but would LOVE to have, etc. > > It's so hard to let go of the dieting mentality > especially when you see it WORKING for someone. > It's hard to sit there feeling good about letting > go of that mentality and making peace with food > and all that when Ms. Diet Mentality is a shadow > of her former self and the " Intuitive Eater " > hasn't lost a thing! > > I DO think I had a revelation today, after that > session at work and after I read through some of > the postings here: I think a lot of time I think > of myself as " doing intuitive eating, " but what > I'm REALLY doing is " letting go of the diet > mentality " ONLY - I'm not embracing the intuitive > eating part as much as I'm embracing the making > peace with food part. And maybe that's okay and > it's just part of learning the whole process. > But I think, at least for me, it's easy for me to > BELIEVE I'm doing " intuitive eating " when what I > think I'm REALLY doing some of the time is simply > giving up the good/bad food concepts, which is > not the same thing. One part is quitting demonizing > food - the other is learning to pay attention to > your true hunger and satiety. I think you can > actually do one and not the other, and what's needed > is both. > > Zat make sense... I may be rambling.... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Yes it is Emma I have only been doing IE for a few weeks and I have not read any books about it yet I will do that later but I have just been following the suggestions from the group and have released weight its a wonderful feeling. EvaSee what's free at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Yes it is Emma I have only been doing IE for a few weeks and I have not read any books about it yet I will do that later but I have just been following the suggestions from the group and have released weight its a wonderful feeling. EvaSee what's free at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Emma - I have also noticed that I am satisfied on WAY less food than I've ever eaten in my life and my clothes are fitting better and maybe even a little loose, but I think it's because now I really pay attention to when I'm hungry without getting too hungry. My IE therapist suggested I always eat at a minimum of two, that 1 or 0 was too low FOR ME (everyone's different, so do what works for you;-). Anyway, I read about a physiological, unconcious "sigh" that your body gives you as a signal that you've had enough to eat. I started paying attention to it, stopping when it happened (because it really does) and waiting 10 - 20 minutes to see if I'm still hungry. SO FAR, I haven't been, I've been very satisfied, not hungry and eating everything I want. I have also noticed that I want stuff like fruit, salad, oatmeal, not just chips & dip or cheeseburgers - although when I want them, I absolutely have them. I'd be interested if anyone else has heard of or tried looking for their "sigh" and what they think of it. Peace & Blessings, CW P.S. I think I read about it on a Weight Watchers message board re: their Core Plan, it was one of the ways people indicated they were comfortably full, but not overfull (a 6 or 7 on the hunger scale). Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Hey Alyzul, you might consider re-thinking the whole " alone " thing while you're working on the IE thing, too. Seriously, I'm speaking from experience as both a world-class worrier and someone who actually lives alone and spends time thinking about the what-ifs of that - what if I'm 60 and I'm living alone - what if I get seriously injured and I'm living alone - etc, etc, etc. But it finally occurred to me one day that I can spend my time worrying about that or I can spend my time DOING something about it. In my case, the thing I worry the most about being " alone " as I get older is being ABLE to take care of myself. So what I do about that is do what I can now to insure that I will be able to care for my own needs if I find myself with myself alone in years to come. The whole IE thing combined with exercise is all my " insurance policy " I'm building up right now so that I will be able to take care of myself. That's not necessarily a thing to be SAD about - I think it's a thing to be EMPOWERED about! It's like they tell you on an airplane about if the emergency air masks drop, pull YOURS on before you pull your child's mask on - because if you don't take care of YOU first you will be of no use to the child. So you've gotta build into your life that part where you take care of YOU first, as a first priority AND as a means of equipping yourself to help those around you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Hey Alyzul, you might consider re-thinking the whole " alone " thing while you're working on the IE thing, too. Seriously, I'm speaking from experience as both a world-class worrier and someone who actually lives alone and spends time thinking about the what-ifs of that - what if I'm 60 and I'm living alone - what if I get seriously injured and I'm living alone - etc, etc, etc. But it finally occurred to me one day that I can spend my time worrying about that or I can spend my time DOING something about it. In my case, the thing I worry the most about being " alone " as I get older is being ABLE to take care of myself. So what I do about that is do what I can now to insure that I will be able to care for my own needs if I find myself with myself alone in years to come. The whole IE thing combined with exercise is all my " insurance policy " I'm building up right now so that I will be able to take care of myself. That's not necessarily a thing to be SAD about - I think it's a thing to be EMPOWERED about! It's like they tell you on an airplane about if the emergency air masks drop, pull YOURS on before you pull your child's mask on - because if you don't take care of YOU first you will be of no use to the child. So you've gotta build into your life that part where you take care of YOU first, as a first priority AND as a means of equipping yourself to help those around you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Alyzu1--You have lots to be stressed about. I guess this is what would be considered emotional eating (the bingeing behavior). Does the journaling help at all? Also sometimes just sitting alone in the middle of the night and having a good cry might be the best thing in the world for you. Right now, it sounds like you need it. Hang in there and keep your chin up! At least you're not on a diet right?alyzu1 wrote: Wow! I'm experiencing THE EXACT SAME THING!!! Maybe we're the sameperson,lol!I'm laughing now, but at 2:00 this morning I was sitting at my kitchentable journaling and crying because I was feeling horrible: out ofcontrol, fat, and terrified. Yesterday I was experiencing binge-likefeelings. Although I didn't eat all that much, it was more than Ineeded to eat, and I felt awful afterwards. And I'm tired of wakingup in the middle of the night feeling anxious and distraught. I knowI have to do something, but I'm not sure what. Counseling is anoption, but money is tight and I don't have much spare time. I know Ishould take time for myself, and I DO, but having two autistic kids isa challenge. Right now we rely on family to help us with babysitting,but they all work full time. I'm also feeling worried and guilty because my father starts chemotoday, and I'm 3,000 miles away. My brother flew in yesterday to bewith my parents, which is great. His daughter is 19, in college, andhas a summer job, so it's a little easier for him to be there right now.It hit me this morning that I have lived my life in fear: alwayscontemplating the "What-ifs" and imagining all the things that couldgo wrong. And ALWAYS, ALWAYS, at the bottom of it all, expecting tobe left all alone. Expecting the worst. And that makes me REALLY SAD!>> I've got to admit I'm starting to really wonder> about the weight loss issue myself. I've been > doing IE since about January (or LEARNING to do> it is probably more accurate) and in that time> I really haven't seen any weight loss. I've > actually gained about 8 pounds in that time. > Today at work I sat and listened to a woman in> our workplace diet and fitness group talk about> how she had lost 20% of her body weight since> January - and good for her but it was just chock> full of DO's and DON'TS - of "good" food and > "bad" food and all that diet mentality crap I've> been trying so hard to let go of. But at the> same time, there's no denying this woman sitting> there talking looks just GREAT! On the other> hand her talk was also full of things she said> she eats "because I know it's good for me" but> that she freely admitted she can't stand - and> food she won't touch but would LOVE to have, etc.> > It's so hard to let go of the dieting mentality> especially when you see it WORKING for someone. > It's hard to sit there feeling good about letting> go of that mentality and making peace with food > and all that when Ms. Diet Mentality is a shadow> of her former self and the "Intuitive Eater" > hasn't lost a thing! > > I DO think I had a revelation today, after that > session at work and after I read through some of> the postings here: I think a lot of time I think> of myself as "doing intuitive eating," but what > I'm REALLY doing is "letting go of the diet > mentality" ONLY - I'm not embracing the intuitive> eating part as much as I'm embracing the making> peace with food part. And maybe that's okay and> it's just part of learning the whole process. > But I think, at least for me, it's easy for me to> BELIEVE I'm doing "intuitive eating" when what I> think I'm REALLY doing some of the time is simply> giving up the good/bad food concepts, which is > not the same thing. One part is quitting demonizing> food - the other is learning to pay attention to> your true hunger and satiety. I think you can > actually do one and not the other, and what's needed> is both. > > Zat make sense... I may be rambling....> Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Alyzu1--You have lots to be stressed about. I guess this is what would be considered emotional eating (the bingeing behavior). Does the journaling help at all? Also sometimes just sitting alone in the middle of the night and having a good cry might be the best thing in the world for you. Right now, it sounds like you need it. Hang in there and keep your chin up! At least you're not on a diet right?alyzu1 wrote: Wow! I'm experiencing THE EXACT SAME THING!!! Maybe we're the sameperson,lol!I'm laughing now, but at 2:00 this morning I was sitting at my kitchentable journaling and crying because I was feeling horrible: out ofcontrol, fat, and terrified. Yesterday I was experiencing binge-likefeelings. Although I didn't eat all that much, it was more than Ineeded to eat, and I felt awful afterwards. And I'm tired of wakingup in the middle of the night feeling anxious and distraught. I knowI have to do something, but I'm not sure what. Counseling is anoption, but money is tight and I don't have much spare time. I know Ishould take time for myself, and I DO, but having two autistic kids isa challenge. Right now we rely on family to help us with babysitting,but they all work full time. I'm also feeling worried and guilty because my father starts chemotoday, and I'm 3,000 miles away. My brother flew in yesterday to bewith my parents, which is great. His daughter is 19, in college, andhas a summer job, so it's a little easier for him to be there right now.It hit me this morning that I have lived my life in fear: alwayscontemplating the "What-ifs" and imagining all the things that couldgo wrong. And ALWAYS, ALWAYS, at the bottom of it all, expecting tobe left all alone. Expecting the worst. And that makes me REALLY SAD!>> I've got to admit I'm starting to really wonder> about the weight loss issue myself. I've been > doing IE since about January (or LEARNING to do> it is probably more accurate) and in that time> I really haven't seen any weight loss. I've > actually gained about 8 pounds in that time. > Today at work I sat and listened to a woman in> our workplace diet and fitness group talk about> how she had lost 20% of her body weight since> January - and good for her but it was just chock> full of DO's and DON'TS - of "good" food and > "bad" food and all that diet mentality crap I've> been trying so hard to let go of. But at the> same time, there's no denying this woman sitting> there talking looks just GREAT! On the other> hand her talk was also full of things she said> she eats "because I know it's good for me" but> that she freely admitted she can't stand - and> food she won't touch but would LOVE to have, etc.> > It's so hard to let go of the dieting mentality> especially when you see it WORKING for someone. > It's hard to sit there feeling good about letting> go of that mentality and making peace with food > and all that when Ms. Diet Mentality is a shadow> of her former self and the "Intuitive Eater" > hasn't lost a thing! > > I DO think I had a revelation today, after that > session at work and after I read through some of> the postings here: I think a lot of time I think> of myself as "doing intuitive eating," but what > I'm REALLY doing is "letting go of the diet > mentality" ONLY - I'm not embracing the intuitive> eating part as much as I'm embracing the making> peace with food part. And maybe that's okay and> it's just part of learning the whole process. > But I think, at least for me, it's easy for me to> BELIEVE I'm doing "intuitive eating" when what I> think I'm REALLY doing some of the time is simply> giving up the good/bad food concepts, which is > not the same thing. One part is quitting demonizing> food - the other is learning to pay attention to> your true hunger and satiety. I think you can > actually do one and not the other, and what's needed> is both. > > Zat make sense... I may be rambling....> Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Emma- I wish I could experience that sigh! I'm actually having the hardest time figuring out when I'm hungry. I swear, I must have a very low metabolism, because I rarely feel hungry enough to classify myself at a 2 on the hunger scale! Is that possible? I am having an easier time feeling full, but still no sigh. -LiseML Carver wrote: Emma - I have also noticed that I am satisfied on WAY less food than I've ever eaten in my life and my clothes are fitting better and maybe even a little loose, but I think it's because now I really pay attention to when I'm hungry without getting too hungry. My IE therapist suggested I always eat at a minimum of two, that 1 or 0 was too low FOR ME (everyone's different, so do what works for you;-). Anyway, I read about a physiological, unconcious "sigh" that your body gives you as a signal that you've had enough to eat. I started paying attention to it, stopping when it happened (because it really does) and waiting 10 - 20 minutes to see if I'm still hungry. SO FAR, I haven't been, I've been very satisfied, not hungry and eating everything I want. I have also noticed that I want stuff like fruit, salad, oatmeal, not just chips & dip or cheeseburgers - although when I want them, I absolutely have them. I'd be interested if anyone else has heard of or tried looking for their "sigh" and what they think of it. Peace & Blessings, CW P.S. I think I read about it on a Weight Watchers message board re: their Core Plan, it was one of the ways people indicated they were comfortably full, but not overfull (a 6 or 7 on the hunger scale). Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Emma- I wish I could experience that sigh! I'm actually having the hardest time figuring out when I'm hungry. I swear, I must have a very low metabolism, because I rarely feel hungry enough to classify myself at a 2 on the hunger scale! Is that possible? I am having an easier time feeling full, but still no sigh. -LiseML Carver wrote: Emma - I have also noticed that I am satisfied on WAY less food than I've ever eaten in my life and my clothes are fitting better and maybe even a little loose, but I think it's because now I really pay attention to when I'm hungry without getting too hungry. My IE therapist suggested I always eat at a minimum of two, that 1 or 0 was too low FOR ME (everyone's different, so do what works for you;-). Anyway, I read about a physiological, unconcious "sigh" that your body gives you as a signal that you've had enough to eat. I started paying attention to it, stopping when it happened (because it really does) and waiting 10 - 20 minutes to see if I'm still hungry. SO FAR, I haven't been, I've been very satisfied, not hungry and eating everything I want. I have also noticed that I want stuff like fruit, salad, oatmeal, not just chips & dip or cheeseburgers - although when I want them, I absolutely have them. I'd be interested if anyone else has heard of or tried looking for their "sigh" and what they think of it. Peace & Blessings, CW P.S. I think I read about it on a Weight Watchers message board re: their Core Plan, it was one of the ways people indicated they were comfortably full, but not overfull (a 6 or 7 on the hunger scale). Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Hey Marina, I just composed a whole e-mail and then lost it! But what I wrote is that, IE works differently for everyone. When I first learned of IE, it was late Feb and I was so sick of logging everything I ate and then writing down the caloric content. I could not even buy things at the store without looking at the nutritional content for everything little I wanted. And there were things that I wanted, I couldn't have. So, when I lost a pound that week, I was so ecstatic! I felt I could finally do this without following any kind of guideline, except to follow my stomach (which is what I do now - it just seems as though halfing my food is naturally what I do - it's not done intentionally). Anyhow, I think everyone should stay away from the diet mentality. If reducing the food on your plate makes you obsesss, don't do it. I found this on an Intuitive Eating website that was helpful to me. Here are 10 examples: 1. Resolve to give yourself unconditional permission to eat foods you like.2. Resolve to exercise because it makes you healthier and feel better, not to burn calories.3. Resolve to eat when you¢re hungry, and stop when you¢re full.4. Resolve to refrain from dieting.5. Resolve to weigh yourself no more than once a week.6. Resolve to dispose of all your diet-promoting books, magazines, and videos.7. Resolve to read Intuitive Eating.8. Resolve to get help with at least one emotional problem in your life.9. Resolve to disassociate your weight from your worth.10. Resolve not to spread myths that promote dieting. Good luck .... you can do this! Emma Re: Weight loss question Em, Not crazy at all, but I am not at the point yet where you are I think. I can't make myself half my food. I keep obsessing over the other half. I just try to think about my fullness level at every bite. However, yesterday, I wasn't hungry or full, but wanted ice cream. I ate it because well, I love ice cream and I m now ALLOWED to have it. But the thing is, cause it was allowed, I didn't binge on like half a gallon (as I normally do when I am on a diet) because I didn't "mess up" since there was nothing to mess up. So in that respect, I think I am eating less via not binging (for now TWO FULL DAYS!). But as for the rest, I think to me it's too much like a diet still if I think in terms of size and etc. I hope I get to the point where I don't thinka bout it at all, as I mentioned before, and just eat what I am hungry for till I am satisfied. One observation I have to make, is that since I haven't been binging, I have been feeling much better in the morning, sleeping much better, and feeling much more comfortable and happy at night. And have had time to do other things, like get ready for bed with my skin/teeth routine that I sometimes shorten by say, not doing the moisturizer or flossing or something. Probably sounds wierd, but on days I binged, I tried to eat everything I could that I normally didn't eat, and get as much eating time of the day as possible... I really hope I stop doing this for good. > > I've got to admit I'm starting to really wonder> > about the weight loss issue myself. I've been > > doing IE since about January (or LEARNING to do> > it is probably more accurate) and in that time> > I really haven't seen any weight loss. I've > > actually gained about 8 pounds in that time. > > Today at work I sat and listened to a woman in> > our workplace diet and fitness group talk about> > how she had lost 20% of her body weight since> > January - and good for her but it was just chock> > full of DO's and DON'TS - of "good" food and > > "bad" food and all that diet mentality crap I've> > been trying so hard to let go of. But at the> > same time, there's no denying this woman sitting> > there talking looks just GREAT! On the other> > hand her talk was also full of things she said> > she eats "because I know it's good for me" but> > that she freely admitted she can't stand - and> > food she won't touch but would LOVE to have, etc.> > > > It's so hard to let go of the dieting mentality> > especially when you see it WORKING for someone. > > It's hard to sit there feeling good about letting> > go of that mentality and making peace with food > > and all that when Ms. Diet Mentality is a shadow> > of her former self and the "Intuitive Eater" > > hasn't lost a thing! > > > > I DO think I had a revelation today, after that > > session at work and after I read through some of> > the postings here: I think a lot of time I think> > of myself as "doing intuitive eating," but what > > I'm REALLY doing is "letting go of the diet > > mentality" ONLY - I'm not embracing the intuitive> > eating part as much as I'm embracing the making> > peace with food part. And maybe that's okay and> > it's just part of learning the whole process. > > But I think, at least for me, it's easy for me to> > BELIEVE I'm doing "intuitive eating" when what I> > think I'm REALLY doing some of the time is simply> > giving up the good/bad food concepts, which is > > not the same thing. One part is quitting demonizing> > food - the other is learning to pay attention to> > your true hunger and satiety. I think you can > > actually do one and not the other, and what's needed> > is both. > > > > Zat make sense... I may be rambling....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.> >> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _____________ __> No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.> http://mobile. yahoo.com/ mail> You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. 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Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Hey Marina, I just composed a whole e-mail and then lost it! But what I wrote is that, IE works differently for everyone. When I first learned of IE, it was late Feb and I was so sick of logging everything I ate and then writing down the caloric content. I could not even buy things at the store without looking at the nutritional content for everything little I wanted. And there were things that I wanted, I couldn't have. So, when I lost a pound that week, I was so ecstatic! I felt I could finally do this without following any kind of guideline, except to follow my stomach (which is what I do now - it just seems as though halfing my food is naturally what I do - it's not done intentionally). Anyhow, I think everyone should stay away from the diet mentality. If reducing the food on your plate makes you obsesss, don't do it. I found this on an Intuitive Eating website that was helpful to me. Here are 10 examples: 1. Resolve to give yourself unconditional permission to eat foods you like.2. Resolve to exercise because it makes you healthier and feel better, not to burn calories.3. Resolve to eat when you¢re hungry, and stop when you¢re full.4. Resolve to refrain from dieting.5. Resolve to weigh yourself no more than once a week.6. Resolve to dispose of all your diet-promoting books, magazines, and videos.7. Resolve to read Intuitive Eating.8. Resolve to get help with at least one emotional problem in your life.9. Resolve to disassociate your weight from your worth.10. Resolve not to spread myths that promote dieting. Good luck .... you can do this! Emma Re: Weight loss question Em, Not crazy at all, but I am not at the point yet where you are I think. I can't make myself half my food. I keep obsessing over the other half. I just try to think about my fullness level at every bite. However, yesterday, I wasn't hungry or full, but wanted ice cream. I ate it because well, I love ice cream and I m now ALLOWED to have it. But the thing is, cause it was allowed, I didn't binge on like half a gallon (as I normally do when I am on a diet) because I didn't "mess up" since there was nothing to mess up. So in that respect, I think I am eating less via not binging (for now TWO FULL DAYS!). But as for the rest, I think to me it's too much like a diet still if I think in terms of size and etc. I hope I get to the point where I don't thinka bout it at all, as I mentioned before, and just eat what I am hungry for till I am satisfied. One observation I have to make, is that since I haven't been binging, I have been feeling much better in the morning, sleeping much better, and feeling much more comfortable and happy at night. And have had time to do other things, like get ready for bed with my skin/teeth routine that I sometimes shorten by say, not doing the moisturizer or flossing or something. Probably sounds wierd, but on days I binged, I tried to eat everything I could that I normally didn't eat, and get as much eating time of the day as possible... I really hope I stop doing this for good. > > I've got to admit I'm starting to really wonder> > about the weight loss issue myself. I've been > > doing IE since about January (or LEARNING to do> > it is probably more accurate) and in that time> > I really haven't seen any weight loss. I've > > actually gained about 8 pounds in that time. > > Today at work I sat and listened to a woman in> > our workplace diet and fitness group talk about> > how she had lost 20% of her body weight since> > January - and good for her but it was just chock> > full of DO's and DON'TS - of "good" food and > > "bad" food and all that diet mentality crap I've> > been trying so hard to let go of. But at the> > same time, there's no denying this woman sitting> > there talking looks just GREAT! On the other> > hand her talk was also full of things she said> > she eats "because I know it's good for me" but> > that she freely admitted she can't stand - and> > food she won't touch but would LOVE to have, etc.> > > > It's so hard to let go of the dieting mentality> > especially when you see it WORKING for someone. > > It's hard to sit there feeling good about letting> > go of that mentality and making peace with food > > and all that when Ms. Diet Mentality is a shadow> > of her former self and the "Intuitive Eater" > > hasn't lost a thing! > > > > I DO think I had a revelation today, after that > > session at work and after I read through some of> > the postings here: I think a lot of time I think> > of myself as "doing intuitive eating," but what > > I'm REALLY doing is "letting go of the diet > > mentality" ONLY - I'm not embracing the intuitive> > eating part as much as I'm embracing the making> > peace with food part. And maybe that's okay and> > it's just part of learning the whole process. > > But I think, at least for me, it's easy for me to> > BELIEVE I'm doing "intuitive eating" when what I> > think I'm REALLY doing some of the time is simply> > giving up the good/bad food concepts, which is > > not the same thing. One part is quitting demonizing> > food - the other is learning to pay attention to> > your true hunger and satiety. I think you can > > actually do one and not the other, and what's needed> > is both. > > > > Zat make sense... I may be rambling....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.> >> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _____________ __> No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.> http://mobile. yahoo.com/ mail> You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. 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Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Eva, I also put on a summer dress I bought before May 3(my birthday) and it's practically hanging off of me. Isn't it a good feeling to know you can release weight without so much as a thought of 'I'm on a diet'? Emma Re: Re: Weight loss question Yes I have been waiting for the unconscious sigh and stopping when it comes and it has been working because because my clothes feel loose and today I put on a pair of pants I have not worn in 5 years and they feel loose. Eva See what's free at AOL.com. Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Eva, I also put on a summer dress I bought before May 3(my birthday) and it's practically hanging off of me. Isn't it a good feeling to know you can release weight without so much as a thought of 'I'm on a diet'? Emma Re: Re: Weight loss question Yes I have been waiting for the unconscious sigh and stopping when it comes and it has been working because because my clothes feel loose and today I put on a pair of pants I have not worn in 5 years and they feel loose. Eva See what's free at AOL.com. Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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